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Lumpz0r
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:08:38 -
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Now i 'm sure one way or another there's a perfectly viable reason for this but.
When i saw on the launcher startup "10% plex sale" i thought NICE - lets grab a couple. I clicked the link but then i saw the prices.
Here's the issue.
I live in the UK - now i've always thought we were being had on Subscription and plex prices anyway as we way -ú9.99 per month and as i understand it others pay $9.99 per month - the conversion rate from $ to -ú confirms we get had on that but this isn't about the subscription price it's about PLEX where it appears CCP have done exactly the same thing
Usual price -ú29.99 for 2 x PLEX Sale price -ú26.99 for 2 x PLEX
on face value this is a good deal there sure is 10% off there but (ignore the fact all CCP appear to have done with their pricing for the UK is take the $$ off and put a -ú in front rather than work out the conversion rate so we all pay the same price) if you go to ANY of the 3rd party PLEX resellers they all sell them in $ so at the checkout the conversion is done for you and they're STILL CHEAPER than the CCP own so called "sale" price.
I love playing EVE and i would never begrudge a company making a fair buck or two it's why they exist after all to make real world money for shareholders - the game being popular is just an added bonus but
#1 - why isn't the pricing structure for everyone regarless of the currency you pay in the same #2 - why is it cheaper for me to buy PLEX from the rd part reseller rather than DIRECTLY from CCP??
I look forward to hearing from y'all on this most annoying matter.
Regards
Lumpz - in the UK but hiding in lowsec :)
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Milky Wimpshake
Death To Everyone But Us
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:12:52 -
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I am in the UK and disgusted at this discrimination too. I refuse to pay the 'UK' prices for these and would always go third party for that reason. |
Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
186
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:20:15 -
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people will never get why prices for Europe are higher than for US... you need to pay tax they dont...
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Starbuck05
Pretty Hate Machine. Symmetric Symbiosis
261
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:22:03 -
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Im from Romania and 1 plex price for me from ccp's official site is 15 euro. Havent checked with the 10% discount...but yea, prices differ..dunno why but i also choose to buy off third party cause its just better..and i suspect will always be better no matter where your from.
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Milky Wimpshake
Death To Everyone But Us
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:22:37 -
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If it was a tax issue the numbers would add up, they simply do not. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:27:10 -
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We haven't had this thread for a little bit.
Your UK prices are inclusive of VAT.
The US prices are excluding tax as tax rates in the US vary. So their tax is added at point of sale, while yours is added presale. So in the end, it all sort of works out similar, but currency prices will always mean there is variation and yeah I think the UK is about the most expensive overall.
That's my recollection of the million threads before. I could be remembering it wrong though.
As an Australian based player, we get screwed over no matter where we buy. The bank currency rates and fees for foreign currency conversion send the prices up by a fair bit.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
558
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:34:13 -
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Wow that means you buy ten and get one for free! A life saver, isn't it?? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.06.30 08:52:27 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Wow that means you buy ten and get one for free! A life saver, isn't it?? Angelica is back. Been a while.
Eve not dying.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
558
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:02:23 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Wow that means you buy ten and get one for free! A life saver, isn't it?? Angelica is back. Been a while. Eve not dying. It's not my fault, he made me do it! And who are you? |
Falken Falcon
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:18:13 -
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He is Scipper, FC, ship toaster, bear burner, forum warrior, first of his name
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:19:22 -
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Milky Wimpshake wrote:If it was a tax issue the numbers would add up, they simply do not. In the UK we have VAT which is included I the price, in America they have sales tax which I different in every state. The sales tax is added when the purchase is made.
Oh god.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
558
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:34:41 -
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Falken Falcon wrote:He is Scipper, FC, ship toaster, bear burner, forum warrior, first of his name Ans he lives on Gilligan's Island??
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Falken Falcon
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:40:41 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Falken Falcon wrote:He is Scipper, FC, ship toaster, bear burner, forum warrior, first of his name Ans he lives on Gilligan's Island?? As far as i know yes
Aye, Sea Turtles
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Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
558
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Posted - 2015.06.30 09:45:16 -
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Falken Falcon wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Falken Falcon wrote:He is Scipper, FC, ship toaster, bear burner, forum warrior, first of his name Ans he lives on Gilligan's Island?? As far as i know yes http://youtu.be/ZnSHRmf3F5Y |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1178
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Posted - 2015.06.30 11:14:49 -
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So just buy them from a retailer that lets you pay in dollars? There are plenty. You could even pay your subscription directly to CCP in dollars if you wanted to. Much cheaper than the non-conversion crap they try to pull.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.06.30 11:15:07 -
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The GBP/USD current exchange rate is 1.5716 - $42.41, which without the 20% VAT would be $33.92.
It's a common practice. Sadly?
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Black Panpher
Middle-aged pony tail
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Posted - 2015.06.30 11:50:37 -
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Lumpz0r, listen to the Tiger! |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.06.30 12:53:50 -
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Whats it matter? $15 I cant even get a movie ticket for that any longer in the US. By the time I buy two tickets, popcorn, sodas, chewy candy stuff, that's like 4-5/mo of EVE. Add dinner for two, 1yr subscription. |
Emiko P'eng
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Posted - 2015.06.30 13:06:10 -
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hehe!
Off we again
In the EU, thanks to British intransigence, all purchases of digital and non digital items have to include VAT of the country of the purchaser.
Companies who sell to people in the EU must pay The VAT they collect at that countries rate to the country the purchaser lives in.
This means for multinational companies they have a department set up just for that. Most automatically show the correct Vat based on for the buyer's location.
Medium sized companies can use an agency to sort it all out and deal with all the other EU countries tax departments, all they need to do is pass the amount of sale, the 2 bits of evidence that confirms buyers location and the money.
Small companies cannot use the agency, so most will soon stop international sales, as they will have to deal with each tax department individually, which will be a nightmare and as the UK is the instigator of this madness, our customs and excise is already starting the crack down on companies who do not comply. They have yet to block a non-european company Website for selling in the UK for non payment of VAT but they have the power to do so.
To summarise even if you pay in dollars CCP will have to pay 21% VAT to the UK. If you buy Plex from the USA that company will need to pay 21% VAT to the UK.
Posted from my phone. |
Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.06.30 13:08:43 -
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Europe is heavily taxed.
Sucks, doesn't it? |
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.30 13:29:24 -
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Lumpz0r wrote: (ignore the fact all CCP appear to have done with their pricing for the UK is take the $$ off and put a -ú in front
Firstly, 2x Plex in USD is 34.99, not 29.99, as you stated. Even with 10% off, we're not paying 29.99.
Secondly, you are getting 10% of your normal pricing - so yes, it's 10% off, which addresses the question in your subject.
Lastly, as to the discrepancy is pricing schemes. Let's boil it down to the simplest answer.
The prices are that way because that is the way CCP chooses to price their service. That's it. The reasons, at the end of the day, really don't matter. You either like the service enough to pay the price, you stop paying for the service, or you lobby CCP to change their pricing structure.
For the record, this thread is not considered lobbying for change. This is considered ranting. Lobbying for change would involve compelling reasons why CCP should change their pricing scheme and, in the process, make their business harder to manage.
The following reasons are not compelling:
1. I want them to. (No one cares what you, individually, want). 2. Everyone else does it (no they don't). 3. It's not fair. (LIfe isn't fair. Get used to it.)
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2015.06.30 14:07:55 -
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Emiko P'eng wrote:hehe! Off we again In the EU, thanks to British intransigence, all purchases of digital and non digital items have to include VAT of the country of the purchaser. Companies who sell to people in the EU must pay The VAT they collect at that countries rate to the country the purchaser lives in. This means for multinational companies they have a department set up just for that. Most automatically show the correct Vat based on for the buyer's location. Medium sized companies can use an agency to sort it all out and deal with all the other EU countries tax departments, all they need to do is pass the amount of sale, the 2 bits of evidence that confirms buyers location and the money. Small companies cannot use the agency, so most will soon stop international sales, as they will have to deal with each tax department individually, which will be a nightmare and as the UK is the instigator of this madness, our customs and excise is already starting the crack down on companies who do not comply. They have yet to block a non-european company Website for selling in the UK for non payment of VAT but they have the power to do so. To summarise even if you pay in dollars CCP will have to pay 21% VAT to the UK. If you buy Plex from the USA that company will need to pay 21% VAT to the UK. Posted from my phone.
As an american, VAT is 21% in the UK? I knew VAT existed, but christ, how are you people OK with so many taxes? |
Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.06.30 14:32:22 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:As an american, VAT is 21% in the UK? I knew VAT existed, but christ, how are you people OK with so many taxes?
They don't have to pay for things such as 'health care' as they get it "FREE" (chortle).
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Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.06.30 14:32:22 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:As an american, VAT is 21% in the UK? I knew VAT existed, but christ, how are you people OK with so many taxes?
They don't have to pay for things such as 'health care' as they get it "FREE" (chortle).
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And ships that sail the sea
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.30 14:39:47 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:Petre en Thielles wrote:As an american, VAT is 21% in the UK? I knew VAT existed, but christ, how are you people OK with so many taxes? They don't have to pay for things such as 'health care' as they get it "FREE" (chortle).
Also our bridges aren't crumbling.
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Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.06.30 17:08:43 -
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baltec1 wrote:Commander Spurty wrote:Petre en Thielles wrote:As an american, VAT is 21% in the UK? I knew VAT existed, but christ, how are you people OK with so many taxes? They don't have to pay for things such as 'health care' as they get it "FREE" (chortle). Also our bridges aren't crumbling.
Being English, but living in Massachusetts where there's huge bridge repair urgency, I was sort of curious:
"google england uk bridge repair" wrote:
About 26,400,000 results (1.10 seconds)
Nope, seems 'Bridges' as an Engineering piece of work, all need repairs. Especially after the crazy weather lately :-/
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.06.30 17:08:43 -
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baltec1 wrote:Commander Spurty wrote:Petre en Thielles wrote:As an american, VAT is 21% in the UK? I knew VAT existed, but christ, how are you people OK with so many taxes? They don't have to pay for things such as 'health care' as they get it "FREE" (chortle). Also our bridges aren't crumbling.
Being English, but living in Massachusetts where there's huge bridge repair urgency, I was sort of curious:
"google england uk bridge repair" wrote:
About 26,400,000 results (1.10 seconds)
Nope, seems 'Bridges' as an Engineering piece of work, all need repairs. Especially after the crazy weather lately :-/
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16622
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Posted - 2015.06.30 17:11:13 -
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Garnoo wrote:people will never get why prices for Europe are higher than for US... you need to pay tax they dont...
VAT in the UK is 20%. Where does the rest of the ~50% price hike come from?
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2015.06.30 17:21:04 -
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Guess CCP needs to just connect your Pound into one of the major currencies.
BTW (LOL ), looks like your country is also gonna leave EU, best of luck for you trying to survive when open markets of Europe closes for you, and when you don-¦t get anymore badly needed (cheap) foreign labor force... |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11629
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Posted - 2015.06.30 17:24:02 -
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INB4 politics lock. |
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