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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
2027
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Posted - 2015.09.21 09:47:30 -
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Lodestone Toyee wrote:Is there a way to dislike posts? If there was I really would dislike this rookie ship idea.
Not everyone has a 300mil edition rookie ship they've been waiting to use, and from the crafting I've done so far it seems like the limited edition rookie ships are incredible improvements over the T1s. They are so much better in every respect. (I'm willing to retract this statement if someone wants to step up and prove me wrong)
Of course its possible to lose in one, but clearly the advantage goes to the person(s) who are willing to shell out 300mil on a rookie ship in this bracket. A quick comparison between the taipan vs the ibis, or the violator vs the velator, clearly shows the advantage the limited edition has over the T1. 50% more primary slots, plus massive utility and damage bonuses make faction rookie ships clearly the way to go. Since frigate duels like these end rather fast(usually), the person with 50% more dps/tank from their faction rookie ship is very likely to win unless mistakes are made.
I don't mean to complain because I normally reject the notion that pvp (especially this thunderdome) is pay to win. Eve is a marvelously balanced game and its awesome to see cheap ships beat shinier ones. I don't think that balance exists, or was intended to exist with the special edition ships. I would have mentioned this earlier, but I wasn't considering this bracket since I assumed I would be knocked out long ago.
Anyway, felt I would throw out these thoughts before the match to prevent the possible "hes butthurt he lost". In the name of providing content I'll gladly continue, just wanting to know if anyone else had considered these implications of a rookie ship duel.
tl;dr grr I would prefer to spend 300mil on a more practical endeavor. wait faction rookies ships are allowed?
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Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
3617
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:10:27 -
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Lodestone Toyee wrote:Is there a way to dislike posts? If there was I really would dislike this rookie ship idea.
Not everyone has a 300mil edition rookie ship they've been waiting to use, and from the crafting I've done so far it seems like the limited edition rookie ships are incredible improvements over the T1s. They are so much better in every respect. (I'm willing to retract this statement if someone wants to step up and prove me wrong)
Of course its possible to lose in one, but clearly the advantage goes to the person(s) who are willing to shell out 300mil on a rookie ship in this bracket. A quick comparison between the taipan vs the ibis, or the violator vs the velator, clearly shows the advantage the limited edition has over the T1. 50% more primary slots, plus massive utility and damage bonuses make faction rookie ships clearly the way to go. Since frigate duels like these end rather fast(usually), the person with 50% more dps/tank from their faction rookie ship is very likely to win unless mistakes are made.
I don't mean to complain because I normally reject the notion that pvp (especially this thunderdome) is pay to win. Eve is a marvelously balanced game and its awesome to see cheap ships beat shinier ones. I don't think that balance exists, or was intended to exist with the special edition ships. I would have mentioned this earlier, but I wasn't considering this bracket since I assumed I would be knocked out long ago.
Anyway, felt I would throw out these thoughts before the match to prevent the possible "hes butthurt he lost". In the name of providing content I'll gladly continue, just wanting to know if anyone else had considered these implications of a rookie ship duel.
tl;dr grr I would prefer to spend 300mil on a more practical endeavor.
I'd have to argue that the entirety of eve is the same way. It's risk vs reward, a core concept here. Most faction ships are vast improvements over their t1 variants. Gila vs moa?
However I do blame myself, as originally the losers bracket finals were to be in barges or haulers until noragen showed me they would likely perma tank each other. It was the only thing I could come up with that said " losers round finals" lol...
Anyhow, good luck in the finals. I'd love to see Bronson dethroned...
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Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
3617
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:11:35 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:wait faction rookies ships are allowed?
Why wouldn't they be?
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2558
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:50:24 -
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Lodestone, you have my word a sitting Thunderdome champion that I will not bring a faction rookie ship to our match. While I agree with Leto regarding faction ships in principle, I feel that in this particular case the gulf between "vanilla" and "faction", both in price and ability, is simply too large.
Plus, like you, I've got better things to spend 300mil on.
I look forward to hearing from you. EvE-mail would likely work best as I haven't been in-game much except when necessary (been catching up on some out-of-pod stuff) but my schedule is relatively free for the next few days.
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My Many Misadventures
A brief history of C&P Thunderdome
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Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium.
1425
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:13:18 -
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Personally I'm not in favor of the faction noob ships. The primary reason being the extreme disparity between them and their vanilla counter parts. In every other ship class a vanilla t1 could beat a faction variant through superior piloting, clever tactical decisions, range management etc. With the rookie ships unless the faction pilot screws up in stupendous fashion, he's virtually guaranteed victory.
Special thanks to Carlvagio for being a cool bro and financing fun activities.
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lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
70
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:38:38 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Lodestone, you have my word a sitting Thunderdome champion that I will not bring a faction rookie ship to our match. Plus, like you, I've got better things to spend 300mil on.
The sole thought of the drama that would ensue if you did bring one and win the fight within ten seconds after making a statement like this... so delicious. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2567
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:48:47 -
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lmmortalist wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Lodestone, you have my word a sitting Thunderdome champion that I will not bring a faction rookie ship to our match. Plus, like you, I've got better things to spend 300mil on. The sole thought of the drama that would ensue if you did bring one and win the fight within ten seconds after making a statement like this... so delicious. Enjoy the deliciousness of the thought, but it'll never happen. No number of Thunderdome victories is worth me breaking my word.
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My Many Misadventures
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Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
3619
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Posted - 2015.09.21 22:07:51 -
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Guys maybe it's just me, but 300m is pretty meh. Things in EVE exsist to die in fires. I don't know that I'd actually use it, but I'm not going to disallow it, especially when the cost is the ONLY limiting factor seeing as skills aren't going to discount anyone.
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Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium.
1425
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Posted - 2015.09.21 22:11:19 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Guys maybe it's just me, but 300m is pretty meh. Things in EVE exsist to die in fires. I don't know that I'd actually use it, but I'm not going to disallow it, especially when the cost is the ONLY limiting factor seeing as skills aren't going to discount anyone.
Fair enough I suppose. Does that make it an iWin button for the person who decides to bring it? Although I'd laugh hysterically for hours if the opponent brought an Ibis and managed to keep it jammed long enough to kill it.
Special thanks to Carlvagio for being a cool bro and financing fun activities.
StonerPhReak> Being an adult sucks.
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Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
3619
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Posted - 2015.09.21 22:27:18 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Guys maybe it's just me, but 300m is pretty meh. Things in EVE exsist to die in fires. I don't know that I'd actually use it, but I'm not going to disallow it, especially when the cost is the ONLY limiting factor seeing as skills aren't going to discount anyone. Fair enough I suppose. Does that make it an iWin button for the person who decides to bring it? Although I'd laugh hysterically for hours if the opponent brought an Ibis and managed to keep it jammed long enough to kill it.
And that's why. Because it doesn't mean it's a 100% chance. It also doesn't mean someone won't gank you on the way to the fight. It also doesn't mean the other guy isn't a better pilot and is going to win anyhow.
You can use ISK to bolster your chances of winning, but not to substitute for lack of skill.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2584
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Posted - 2015.09.24 20:33:51 -
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I've spoken with Lodestone and we will likely be doing our match early next week. Apologies for the delay, but stuff happens.
Also, for anyone who cares, I will be taking a hiatus once I finish this Thunderdome bracket. Said hiatus to include unsubbing my accounts (Bronson's is up in 20-ish days). Out-of-pod stuff has changed for me, and I've never been one to "pay-to-not-play".
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Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
3628
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Posted - 2015.09.24 21:08:53 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:I've spoken with Lodestone and we will likely be doing our match early next week. Apologies for the delay, but stuff happens.
Also, for anyone who cares, I will be taking a hiatus once I finish this Thunderdome bracket. Said hiatus to include unsubbing my accounts (Bronson's is up in 20-ish days). Out-of-pod stuff has changed for me, and I've never been one to "pay-to-not-play".
See ya when you get back mate. May your evecation be a prosperous one.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2585
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Posted - 2015.09.24 22:06:10 -
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Leto Thule wrote:See ya when you get back mate. May your evecation be a prosperous one. Life in hisec = no evacuations.
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Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
3630
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Posted - 2015.09.25 03:37:30 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Leto Thule wrote:See ya when you get back mate. May your evecation be a prosperous one. Life in hisec = no evacuations.
Eve-cation. Like a vacation. From EVE. Not evacuation.
I hope you have freakin triplets now. I put that on you.
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Damnskippy
Mad Bombers Hashashin Cartel
129
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Posted - 2015.09.25 03:48:51 -
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Wait what theshit? faction rookie ships? Is that really a thing? I've got to log in and see. What are they called?
Did I just get punk'd?
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Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
3631
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Posted - 2015.09.25 05:36:53 -
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Damnskippy wrote:Wait what theshit? faction rookie ships? Is that really a thing? I've got to log in and see. What are they called?
Did I just get punk'd?
Edit: is It the Hematos? Where did that ship come from? I've never heard of it until today.
Just like everything else in the game, the guristas one is the best. It's called the taipan, and you can get it up to around 150 dps with a decent tank and the ability to fit damps or t/d.
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow The Pursuit of Happiness
1137
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Posted - 2015.09.25 05:58:31 -
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Longest July ever!! |
Lodestone Toyee
Awakened Ones
72
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Posted - 2015.09.25 06:50:50 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Damnskippy wrote:Wait what theshit? faction rookie ships? Is that really a thing? I've got to log in and see. What are they called?
Did I just get punk'd?
Edit: is It the Hematos? Where did that ship come from? I've never heard of it until today. Just like everything else in the game, the guristas one is the best. It's called the taipan, and you can get it up to around 150 dps with a decent tank and the ability to fit damps or t/d.
If that wasn't enough, it gets very large missile and drone speed bonuses. Its basically one half of a worm, which practically makes it comparable to most normal frigates.
Some of the others look kinda cool, but like Leto said, if its not gurrristas it has a weakness.
I think the faction rookie ships are given away each fanfest as prizes for mini-tournaments. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2587
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Posted - 2015.09.25 13:14:39 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Eve-cation. Like a vacation. From EVE. Not evacuation.
I hope you have freakin triplets now. I put that on you. Yeah, I totally misread that....
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Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
3673
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Posted - 2015.09.29 04:38:34 -
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Get it moving people.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2595
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Posted - 2015.09.29 13:33:40 -
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I'd like to officially withdraw from the bracket. It's been held up long enough, my current situation is prohibitively busy, and I've had a good run as champ. Time to pass the belt along.
Immortalist and Lodestone: make me proud. Either one of you would make a great champ.
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lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
75
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Posted - 2015.09.29 15:11:17 -
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That's disappointing. |
Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
3678
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Posted - 2015.09.29 21:32:25 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:I'd like to officially withdraw from the bracket. It's been held up long enough, my current situation is prohibitively busy, and I've had a good run as champ. Time to pass the belt along. Immortalist and Lodestone: make me proud. Either one of you would make a great champ.
I am sad.
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Lodestone Toyee
Awakened Ones
76
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Posted - 2015.09.30 02:02:55 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:I'd like to officially withdraw from the bracket. It's been held up long enough, my current situation is prohibitively busy, and I've had a good run as champ. Time to pass the belt along. Immortalist and Lodestone: make me proud. Either one of you would make a great champ.
o7 You made a really good run Bronson, was looking forward to this rematch, but we can always have it some time later this season. Fly safe and gl with getting the RL hassles sorted out, I know the feeling.
Immortalist, I should be ready to fight anytime on or after Thursday evening. If that works for you mail me in-game.
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Saeger1737
Bite the pillow The Pursuit of Happiness
1144
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Posted - 2015.09.30 02:42:37 -
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It's gone on long enough ladies |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2598
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Posted - 2015.09.30 12:30:49 -
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Sorry for the let-down folks. I've always said out-of-pod stuff takes priority, and I would not be okay with myself not living by my own words.
Good hunting. o7
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Badman Lasermouse
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps
182
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Posted - 2015.09.30 16:33:09 -
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I AM BRONSON. I will stand in his stead.
-Badman
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1409
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Posted - 2015.10.01 18:15:49 -
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Enough is enough. Finish this week or I'm pulling the prizes. It's feaking OCTOBER. |
Lodestone Toyee
Awakened Ones
78
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Posted - 2015.10.03 15:19:25 -
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This is it ladies. The Thunderdome is finally over!
Victory goes to the immortal one. The best of 3 went close, I won the first fight and then immortalist won the second. Killmails: 1st fight 2nd fight
The video and commentary i'll post here shortly. im going back to bed (fights lasted from 5-6am my time)
Outstanding piloting on his part. I need to practice frigates more (or train into a worm) |
Leto Thule
Lazerhawks
3717
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Posted - 2015.10.03 16:13:33 -
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Lodestone Toyee wrote:This is it ladies. The Thunderdome is finally over! Victory goes to the immortal one. The best of 3 went close, I won the first fight and then immortalist won the second. Killmails: 1st fight2nd fightThe video and commentary i'll post here shortly. im going back to bed (fights lasted from 5-6am my time) Outstanding piloting on his part. I need to practice frigates more (or train into a worm)
Excellent!
I'll contact chribba for the payment to immortalist. Can't wait to see the video!
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