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CHAOS100
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 19:56:00 -
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Smack and nonsense aside, I look forward to fighting TBC. Unfortunately I haven't actually seen any of you in providence yet. I saw Evil Palpatine, but he was cloaked.
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Davia Demona
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Posted - 2006.11.26 19:58:00 -
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ok then instead of just spouting complete rubbish neesa how about u start providing hard facts ? so far all u have done is slander decent folk with your lies.
this is definately going to go further and you are going to regret your defamitory unsubstantiated remarks in the VERY near future
Lets see u put your isk where your mouth is
see u soon
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DarkFox12
Caldari Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 19:58:00 -
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LOL... why do people keep saying that we were hired. stop that, its not true and its not funny.
finding ways to make CVA or us look bad is just making the EVE community realize the forums tactics some people are willing to use when they dont like us.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:04:00 -
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I am allowed out of my cage for 1 hour per kill Chaos...so that still gives me plenty of time
Neesa the Dreads were privately owned. We didnt even bring down any of our Carriers. And Dreads aside....do you think the outcome would have been any different
Gaskin has personally refunded many of the NOS shareholders from his own wallet, and YES he does understand the irony
As for trying to associate CVA with pirates enough of this, they are one of the most respected Anti Pirate Alliances in the game. They did not hire us, and they did not ask us to come.
CVA had nothing to do with our actions in the north either. There was a war, and it is common practice to use neutral haulers to resupply. We operated NBSI and kept those supply routes cleaned
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Btweeduizend
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:08:00 -
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We got no money from CVA only lost money. But we had allot of fun losing it. the stand of with the pos was a nice one, its sad to see that some of NOS have lowered them selves to this sad level of smack talk and mud throwing. Its very very sad. I hope that this is the end of the smack talking. And again the Capital ships are PRIVATLY owned and are in no way connected to Momentum assets nor illegally acquired goods.
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crazyharry
Amarr Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:08:00 -
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Neesa Corrinne to bad you only fight on the forums. i would have liked to see you on the battle field :) alot of brave NOS pilots tried to defend their space and i didn't see you there i only saw you in local at in the shield of the POS waithing till we would leave again.
and you call NOS weak because the returned to CVA? the weaknes is that there are guys like you in the alliance that are only sitting at the POS and hiding to save their lives and ships. and then flame back to their alliance mates after the fight is over to be weak maybe ask yourself what you contributed to this fight and please don't call it smart to hide at the POS because it isn't when your mates are dieing in battle :S
greetz Crazyharry
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KuKu D'Ent
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:23:00 -
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sif, i was hired. Cool Ness |
EVIL PALPATINE
Amarr TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: EVIL PALPATINE on 26/11/2006 20:30:55 Edited by: EVIL PALPATINE on 26/11/2006 20:29:30
Originally by: Btweeduizend We got no money from CVA only lost money. But we had allot of fun losing it. the stand of with the pos was a nice one, its sad to see that some of NOS have lowered them selves to this sad level of smack talk and mud throwing. Its very very sad. I hope that this is the end of the smack talking.
I must say in our campaign thus far against NOS (TBC 30, NOS 3), I was quite disappointed in the level of smack. To be honest, it scarcely warrants being called "smack" even. Smack would be something like "Heh, use stabs next time kid" or some such thing, as opposed to "You f*g motherf****r I hate you you die!!!" I hope the post-regime change leadership keeps better control of their pilots, as they are making NOS look like a gang of angry high schoolers who are upset because cheerleaders laugh at them. It is even more pathetic when they are smacking like this and then get pwned by somebody solo or in a 2 man gang and they outnumber their enemy 10-1. It's also quite sad that most of them are not posting their losses on their killboard properly.
Old NOS had a no smack talk policy for a reason. I suggest bringing it back Transendence. Though I am not happy with what happened at S9X, at all, I do hope that NOS part III is a hell of a lot better than NOS part II was. The ancien regime actually managed to outdo the Pirate Coalition kids in Egghelende in sheer childishness, and that is no small feat.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
As for trying to associate CVA with pirates enough of this, they are one of the most respected Anti Pirate Alliances in the game. They did not hire us, and they did not ask us to come.
CVA had nothing to do with our actions in the north either. There was a war, and it is common practice to use neutral haulers to resupply. We operated NBSI and kept those supply routes cleaned
CVA treats other alliances that use NBSI and wars to justify killing noobs in empire low sec as pirates. I can remember many times them talking about certain alliances and their actions in wiping out neutrals in empire regions near their borders and poiting out that those actions were considered piracy by the CVA. Has the CVA changed their mind now that their friends are the pirates at those nbsi empire gate camps.
You guys have been killing more then just noob corp haulers in low sec empire. I can also remember some of your guys kills in the last days of NOS in Amamake. What was your excuse for those kills.
The reason i bring up Moms norhtern piracy is that CVA has been one of the strongest anti-pirate alliances around, and now they seem to lying in bed with them whenever it suits them.
You can disguise your piracy all you want. But as far as I remember CVA treated all entities that killed neutrals in low sec empire and especially the killing of noob corp pilots (i see you killing BS and tons of other ships, not just haulers) as pirates. They accepted NBSI in 0.0 controlled areas as non-piracy. What you are saying is you operated an NBSI in Empire. CVA has always treated those alliances as pirate entities as it was explained to me.
So Does CVA have an excuse, other than what happens up north stays up north, and buries their collective heads up their emperor's robe once again on the pirate issuse when its convinient.
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EVIL PALPATINE
Amarr TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:35:00 -
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As far as I know Imperial Order is still on Citadel as well, and Imperial Order does the same thing: camps Assah, which is not their territory, and kills neutrals. Booting NOS II from Citadel for lining up with UK and LV on the grounds that they were "pirates" was certainly the height of hypocrisy. Imperial Order is friendly to UK as well, and they are pirates themselves, but...CVA doesn't seem to have any problem with that as far as I have seen.
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crazyharry
Amarr Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:41:00 -
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it's true we have some members that act as pirates but that doesn't make the corp a pirate corp. i guess we have around 8 members that nbsi in low sec but we are a 152 corp so i don't see us being a pirate corp.
greetz Crazyharry
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:41:00 -
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It is just another reason not to trust the word of the slavers. The freedom loving corps of Providence will see the truth.
and I dont think this should be the proper place for the discussion of momentum taking off with NOS money. I think if people have questions they should contact Gaskin in game, he seems to be trying his best to make up for the bad situation.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Serapis Aote
You guys have been killing more then just noob corp haulers in low sec empire. I can also remember some of your guys kills in the last days of NOS in Amamake. What was your excuse for those kills.
Well I'm glad you brought that up....I am from the Heimatar region, and as a young recruit I was attacked constantly by the pirates in Amamake. It is gate camp city. It was my idea to take a gang up there and kill several of the ill fitted pirate ships. And it gave me great pleasure
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EVIL PALPATINE
Amarr TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.26 21:05:00 -
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Tragically it was the NOS pilots from Checkmater corp that were the kings and queens of obscenity spam. Hats off to Jade and her corp that they behaved with dignity. The ones that decided to sell out NOS for the slavers, showed their dishonor at every occasion.
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Sidyous
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 21:38:00 -
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Good Evening all,
It appears many people don't understand the CVAs policy. Lets make it clear we do not allow NBSI to be operated in our space and look down on those that do so in their space such as Imperial Order (who are not in the Citadel channel) and Momentum (who are also not in the Citadel). Another thing CVA does not accept piracy in Amarrian space. Other Empires and pod pilot alliances can deal with their law breakers in their own way our concern is the Amarr Empire. If any CVA member is fired upon without provocation, rules of our space are broken or piracy is committed within Amarr space then the parties involved are considered enemies of the CVA. There are other ways to join CVAs Kill on Sight list such as attempts to destabalise the Empire or what we have built.
We changed NOS standings to neutral after some disagreements over their policy change (which I will not go into here). Momentum asked our stance towards them and I confirmed they were neutral as they have never commited piracy in our space or Amarr Empire space to the best of our knowledge. They did inform us they were here to attack NOS due to their standings with Ushra Khan and as the fights did not involve our space then it was not for us to interfere in a war. I was contacted by Transendence after Kaithia had announced to NOS and me that she was leaving and informed that he was speaking for NOS for the time being. Later on I was informed by Transendence that he had been voted in charge of NOS and he also invited MOM into chat for peace talks.
I can assure you all that Transendence is no puppet but a proud leader of an alliance with similar goals to CVA in helping to make Providence a terrorist and pirate free area.
Regards Lord Sidyous CEO Auctoritan Syndicate Leader of the CVA -----------------------------------------------
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 21:48:00 -
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Interesting trend here, all these accusations of "pirate!" against the friends and allies of CVA.
Ushra'Khan and their friends don't get on well with CVA and their friends...imagine that?
Result? Obvious smear tactics from Ushra'Khan and their friends about CVA and their friends. Imagine that?
This daily dose of perspective was brought to you by everybody's favorite lapdog of the Holy Amarrian Empire.
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.26 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: DarkFox12 LOL... why do people keep saying that we were hired. stop that, its not true and its not funny.
finding ways to make CVA or us look bad is just making the EVE community realize the forums tactics some people are willing to use when they dont like us.
hehe, having fanbois is good way to measure success nowdays, sicne they cant do much ingame
Originally by: Serapis Aote
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
As for trying to associate CVA with pirates enough of this, they are one of the most respected Anti Pirate Alliances in the game. They did not hire us, and they did not ask us to come.
CVA had nothing to do with our actions in the north either. There was a war, and it is common practice to use neutral haulers to resupply. We operated NBSI and kept those supply routes cleaned
CVA treats other alliances that use NBSI and wars to justify killing noobs in empire low sec as pirates. I can remember many times them talking about certain alliances and their actions in wiping out neutrals in empire regions near their borders and poiting out that those actions were considered piracy by the CVA. Has the CVA changed their mind now that their friends are the pirates at those nbsi empire gate camps.
You guys have been killing more then just noob corp haulers in low sec empire. I can also remember some of your guys kills in the last days of NOS in Amamake. What was your excuse for those kills.
The reason i bring up Moms norhtern piracy is that CVA has been one of the strongest anti-pirate alliances around, and now they seem to lying in bed with them whenever it suits them.
You can disguise your piracy all you want. But as far as I remember CVA treated all entities that killed neutrals in low sec empire and especially the killing of noob corp pilots (i see you killing BS and tons of other ships, not just haulers) as pirates. They accepted NBSI in 0.0 controlled areas as non-piracy. What you are saying is you operated an NBSI in Empire. CVA has always treated those alliances as pirate entities as it was explained to me.
So Does CVA have an excuse, other than what happens up north stays up north, and buries their collective heads up their emperor's robe once again on the pirate issuse when its convinient.
The Amarr Emperor couldnt care less about the poor Caldari souls in the north.. they strayed too far already, to be cared about ------------------ Its great being a Gallente blasterpilot, aint it? Save Tranquility! |
EVIL PALPATINE
Amarr TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.26 22:48:00 -
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The only reason to wage war is for profit.
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Sebesto
Minmatar Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.27 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Paddington You will break upon us like water on rocks!
Water doesn't break upon hitting the rocks, it flows around it and smothers it.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.27 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Interesting trend here, all these accusations of "pirate!" against the friends and allies of CVA.
Ushra'Khan and their friends don't get on well with CVA and their friends...imagine that?
Result? Obvious smear tactics from Ushra'Khan...
I don't see any smear tactics from us at all. All I see in this thread from us is a brief and accurate synopsis by Swamp and Pad's water breaking on rocks remark. (Water does in fact break on rocks, ask any seamen).
If the tactics of the CVA have begun to seem questionable to other members of the galactic community don't try and blame it on us.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.27 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Interesting trend here, all these accusations of "pirate!" against the friends and allies of CVA.
Ushra'Khan and their friends don't get on well with CVA and their friends...imagine that?
Result? Obvious smear tactics from Ushra'Khan and their friends about CVA and their friends. Imagine that?
This daily dose of perspective was brought to you by everybody's favorite lapdog of the Holy Amarrian Empire.
It seems pretty simple to me.
CVA are anti-pirate when it suits them. CVA will work with pirates when it suits them.
Each time CVA will have an excuse. This time, the excuse is that they dont pirate in Amarr space. Well they still pirate, and you still work with them. CVA allow this group to roam in gangs with D2 and other entities that have pirated in Providence and Domain and they let them do it because it is convinient.
And it looks like they are now raging war against imperial shipment in Mamet according to their own killboard.
So I think it is pretty clear that the CVA's anti-piracy stance is little more then words at this point.
But Mom will be gone soon, if they arent already, and CVA can go back to pretending that they are an anti-pirate alliance until the next time they feel pirate corps could be of use to them.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 16:48:00 -
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As privateers of Ushra'Khan, TBC have no place trying to take any moral high ground here.
I'll concede the point to the slave-kin Thrace, though: Ushra'Khan are not the ones directly attempting smear tactics here, it is just their privateers.
But the point stands strong: TBC have every reason to twist facts and paint this situation in a negative light. Fortunately, friends and allies of the CVA (to say nothing of the numerous neutrals able to travel safely through Providence due to our efforts) know the score. Our actions speak loudly, our integrity is unshaken.
So by all means...proceed.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 16:52:00 -
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What a load of absolute nonsense and insane speculation:
Firstly - we did not hire MOM to attack NOS. The MOM and NOS dispute was purely internal. That it was over issues relating to NOS's standing with CVA was purely coincidental
Secondly - we do not fly with people who actively pirate in CVA space in Providence. Indeed we spend much of our time hunting pirates as I am sure many will attest.
Thirdly - Whatever MOM's previous record elsewhere they have not pirated in CVA space and it did not look like they had intention of doing so. If they do they get added to the KOS list - simple as that.
Now I would suggest that the conspiracy theorists go back to investigating the murder of the Amarr Emperor - your time would be much better spent doing that and at least you wouldn't look so foolish...
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.27 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Serapis Aote on 27/11/2006 17:14:33
Originally by: Hardin What a load of absolute nonsense and insane speculation:
Firstly - we did not hire MOM to attack NOS. The MOM and NOS dispute was purely internal. That it was over issues relating to NOS's standing with CVA was purely coincidental
never claimed they were hired guns. Just that there arrival was very coincidental.
Originally by: Hardin Secondly - we do not fly with people who actively pirate in CVA space in Providence. Indeed we spend much of our time hunting pirates as I am sure many will attest. Quote: But Mom does. They were flying with d2 in providence. And unless things have changed (which they could have) D2 used to pirate in providence and lower domain.
Originally by: Hardin Thirdly - Whatever MOM's previous record elsewhere they have not pirated in CVA space and it did not look like they had intention of doing so. If they do they get added to the KOS list - simple as that.
You still allowed a northern pirate corp to entire providence with CVA's blessing to roam Providence with other previously hostile corps and alliances.
I think Providence would be better if the northern pirates just went back home. It just seems that now CVA is okay with pirates from other areas of Eve coming to poach targets in Providence as long as CVA approves of the target. Like I said before this in of it self is not so bad, it is something that I would assuem lots of alliances do, I just thought CVA might be a bit different on the pirate thing then others.
That said. Lets take this back in game. What is done is done, what is said is said. CVA is their own alliance and can set their own regulations. I think they have clarified their position. It doesnt settle my mind on the issue (i am still I bit shocked that they allowed mom and D2 to run through providence together), but I dont think they care one way or another what I think.
I hope to see some more CVA in the future.
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 27/11/2006 17:31:13
Look - if you have a problem with the CVA bring it in space but please stop with all the mud slinging.
It's simple - CVA shoots pirates and we shoot terrorists. That's as it has always ever been.
If you behave yourself in our space then we leave you alone to get on with business. If on the other hand you start shooting CVA or neutrals then you get added to our KOS lists. Simple...
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And btw. We do not allow D2 to run through our space (willingly). They are KOS and as I am sure they will confirm we have had many good fights with them over the past few months when they have wandered into CVA space.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Garreck on 27/11/2006 17:50:14 I do believe there were issues with D2 flying with Momentum against NOS. That's Momentum's business, of course, but Momentum was duly informed that CVA pilots would engage D2 on sight, no exceptions.
I've not seen D2 since then, certainly not flying with Momentum, so I can only assume the message was heard, understood, and acknowledged.
Once again we are left with "CVA kill pirates in Providence without compromise." We have terrific relations with several Momentum pilots dating back a long way...I hope (and feel rather assured) that they will not disappoint us. Already they have seen reason and ceased their hostilities against NOS...a peace that was more or less brokered by the CVA. We do so prefer it when our friends get along with each other.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.27 17:50:00 -
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This slander against CVA is ridiculous. They gave us strict rules to operate under, while we were guests in their space.
TBC, not one single neutral pod pilot lost his ship to a momentum gang.
We destroyed 112 NOS ships in 4 days, you can call us pirates if you like, but we were far too busy to engage neutrals even if we had desired.
Many of our corp have strong ties with CVA and have fought side by side with them on many occasions. We would never go against their anti pirate wishes.
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crazyharry
Amarr Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.27 17:54:00 -
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lol we never flew together with D2 in CVA space. we came across some D2 members in providence space we only said hello in local and talked a bit but they where never in our gang.
we respect that CVA have D2 as KOS and we are friends of D2 and CVA so we won't choose any side.(and there for we won't gang up with D2 in CVA space.) i hope this explanes things. if someone want's to prove that we did have a D2 in our gang please prove so.
greetz Crazyharry
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.27 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 27/11/2006 17:31:13
Look - if you have a problem with the CVA bring it in space but please stop with all the mud slinging.
It's simple - CVA shoots pirates and we shoot terrorists. That's as it has always ever been.
If you behave yourself in our space then we leave you alone to get on with business. If on the other hand you start shooting CVA or neutrals then you get added to our KOS lists. Simple...
Edit:
And btw. We do not allow D2 to run through our space (willingly). They are KOS and as I am sure they will confirm we have had many good fights with them over the past few months when they have wandered into CVA space.
Agreed lets keep it in game. I think there is very little left to be said on this. I was surprised to see Mom, I was even more surprised to see Mom and D2 in a gang together in Providence. I was just surprised. Maybe next time ill just take my questions in game. I dont know, didnt mean this to flame CVA I was really just very curious and all.
TBC doesn't trust Mom (well really just certain pilots, i would guess a good number of them might be stand up lads), and were surprised to see them lurking about the area with CVA's blessing. We may be shooting NOS and CVA right now, but we still held many players in those organiztions in high regard, it is not the same with Mom.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.11.27 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Serapis Aote on 27/11/2006 18:15:27 Edited by: Serapis Aote on 27/11/2006 18:08:41
Originally by: crazyharry lol we never flew together with D2 in CVA space. we came across some D2 members in providence space we only said hello in local and talked a bit but they where never in our gang.
we respect that CVA have D2 as KOS and we are friends of D2 and CVA so we won't choose any side.(and there for we won't gang up with D2 in CVA space.) i hope this explanes things. if someone want's to prove that we did have a D2 in our gang please prove so.
greetz Crazyharry
Lets just stop it. I will stop, you will stop. There are D2 on your kills. And with an alt i saw 1 or 2 in system with you. I assumed you were ganged. If you werent, I apologize. It was an assumption.
I am with Hardin on this one. time to just take it in game. Nothing new here to discuss. CVA's position clear. Moms postion while not clear (i still have no idea why you are here) is what it is.
I think it is time to stop the forum posting on this one. I am done as long no one mentions TBC again negatively, or states something that is untrue.
GL guys, lets take this up in space.
EDIT: I also might have been that Mihi pilot as D2, and although they are allies they are not D2, and I have no idea about whether mihi guys are KOS in CVA space. So yeah I only saw 1 or 2 D2 and some mihi pilot or so. So if once again if they werent ganged to Mom, I apologize it was an assumption.
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