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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:04:59 -
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Pilots;
Let me first state that I wish I had no reason to publicize the events of this last day. My foremost desire is to expand our base of knowledge about the cluster, about novel technologies, and about emergent threats. To that end, cooperation with CONCORD remains necessary. To that end, the expeditionary group composed of pilots from CAIN, FCORD, IKAME, JLAB, SFRIM, alongside independent explorers, has endeavored to release all information as we discover it or we analyze it.
Despite this, Odo Korachi of the DED has seen fit to issue a heavy-handed ultimatum. It remains my desire to achieve a mutually agreeable resolution, and to continue to cooperate with CONCORD despite the apparent intransigence of one of its brigadier generals. I can only hope that cooler heads within CONCORD will prevail, and that this most august organization knows that incentive is as necessary as disincentive when dealing with pilots as independent-minded as Capsuleers.
The full text of Odo KorachiGÇÖs message follows.
FINAL DEMAND GÇô REF: ABRIDGED REPORT 099-345697234-099, Odo Korachi wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, The Directive Enforcement Department would like to offer thanks for your work on the report provided to the Inner Circle Re: the late Dr. Hilen Tukoss, and for the analysis of the tissue samples that were recovered from wreckage found in J174618. After a meeting with the Inner Circle this morning, and after public request for all tissue samples to be turned over to the Directive Enforcement Department for analysis and formal legal confirmation of identity on June 8th, concerns have been raised regarding the intentions of your group. With this in mind, and with the comments of pilot Lucas Raholan factored into the situation the Directive Enforcement Department is hereby making a formal final demand for the handover of all biomass samples to the DED for analysis and biometric processing. Pilot Raholan is hereby being informed of a 24 hour grace period, beginning at the timestamp of this message, during which the samples can be handed over to myself via 14 day contract. Mail confirmation of this contract must be provided once it is set up. Failure to hand over the samples within 24 hours will result in all recipients of this mail being elevated to outlaw status on all DED records. This will include standings toward the CONCORD Assembly and the following corporations reverted to -10.0 status: CONCORD [CONCO] DED [DED] Secure Commerce Commission [SCC] Inner Circle [ICR] In addition to this, the Inner Circle may see fit to rule in favor of a Directive Enforcement Department warrant to seize equipment pertaining to the ongoing investigation into the death of Dr. Tukoss by force, under Article 5, Section C of the Yulai Convention, which would then not be limited purely to the biomass in question. The Directive Enforcement Department requests correspondence from Pilot Raholan within 24 hours to arrange handover of all biomass relating to the investigation. Failure to correspond will be regarded as non-compliance with this demand, and will result in the enactment of aforementioned legal action. If there are any further questions, feel free to correspond with me directly as your point of contact with the Directive Enforcement Department. Best regards, Odo Korachi Brigadier General, Genesis Fleet Directive Enforcement Department CONCORD Assembly
Again, let me say that I firmly desire to cooperate with CONCORD, and to continue to serve the State and humanity to the best of my abilities. However, despite KorachiGÇÖs threats, we have no ability to deliver the sample he demands, and we would have no intent to when issued imperious threats by the very same officer whose intransigence instigated the Battle of Caldari Prime, the fall of the Shiigeru, and the many deaths that followed.
I can only assume that KorachiGÇÖs insistence that we only communicate with him is in part because he is overstepping his mandate; I can only assume that other commanders within CONCORD are more diplomatic, are better able to interface with the independent Capsuleers that form this clusterGÇÖs best defense against the Nation and other threats, are more understanding of the free-spiritedness and pride of many of the most powerful individuals in existence.
To that end, I call upon pilots to petition their statesGÇÖ representatives on our behalf, and to petition CONCORD representatives for a better, more fruitful resolution that preserves the pride, power, and prestige of both CONCORD and the independent capsuleers that enforce its will.
It remains my hope that Korachi has overstepped his bounds, and that by shining a light on his intransigence those within CONCORD who are better able to serve the needs of CONCORD and the cluster may rise to serve in his stead.
Yours in service, Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries, Ltd.
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Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:15:54 -
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I am disturbed by these communiques. CONCORD and its various arms are not exactly known for the free release of information, and I sadly suspect that if the samples were turned over, we would never hear of them again. This is precisely the opposite of everything Dr. Tukoss stood for with Arek'Jaalan. Although meager, Project Compass Holdings and its various resources are available for any assistance we can provide.
Author, EVE Travel
Author, EVE Lore Survival Guide
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Will Gauss
TerminalDogma New Eden Research Coalition
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:20:30 -
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CONCORD, through actions like this and the imprisonment of press who did little more than report the news truthfully has delegitimized itself and no longer represents the capsuleer community, and as such, holds no rightful authority over the capsuleer community.
Once created to serve the law, CONCORD today is little more than just another pirate faction using force to enforce its will and should only be regarded as such: shot at and removed from endangering others like any other pirate entities found on one's overview. |
darkezero
Special Unit 17
6
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:24:40 -
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I'm paraphrasing, but I find it kinda funny that Lucas is the only one who can hand over the brain bit, but CONCORD is going to punish the entire group who was there.
I also second Mark's sentiment that if the brain bit was turned over, we'd never hear about it again.
CONCORD has been very silent regarding both the Drifters, and the now de-cloaked Jove Observatories, but they demand you turn over something that is related to the Drifters.
CONCORD shows more worry about this brain bit than the abductions and interdictions currently ongoing from Sansha's Nation.
Phooey, I say.
I stand ready to support all capsuleers CONCORD intends to mark -10. |
Will Gauss
TerminalDogma New Eden Research Coalition
22
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:27:22 -
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New Eden Research Coalition is prepared to offer sanctuary in Stain to any affected and persecuted pilot who wishes to live outside the influence of the pirate faction known as "CONCORD". |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
1131
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:31:18 -
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Maybe you should just get him to hand over the brains.
Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7169
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:32:32 -
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With due respect, pilots, my aim is not to flee into the dark. My hope is that if enough prominent and powerful capsuleers petition their states and Korachi's superiors at DED and the Inner Circle, we may see a more reasonable discussion of what will follow.
Still, whatever follows, I thank you for your support.
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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
1131
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:38:43 -
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While it may not be your desire to flee into the dark, if you cannot convince Lucas Raholan to hand over the brains, I'd suggest quickly moving your supplies outside of CONCORD patrolled space.
Even if a group of capsuleers lobbies for you, bureaucratic functions tend to take more than 24 hours.
Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:44:10 -
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Will Gauss wrote:CONCORD, through actions like this and the imprisonment of press who did little more than report the news truthfully has delegitimized itself and no longer represents the capsuleer community, and as such, holds no rightful authority over the capsuleer community.
Once created to serve the law, CONCORD today is little more than just another pirate faction using force to enforce its will and should only be regarded as such: shot at and removed from endangering others like any other pirate entities found on one's overview.
EDIT: To clarify, I do not intend to suggest that one rebels against the laws which bind New Eden society. CONCORD however, does not appear interested in these laws, and as such is a pirate entity in flagrant disregard of them. Absent an enforcement body, enforcement is up to us. Are you suggesting we make war on the DED? Over this minor of an incident?
Capsuleers are not ourselves an organization. We do not all have the best intention of humanity in mind. The DED is not solely around to police us. Without the DED and Concord to negotiate peace, the Empires would have gone to war numerous times.
But yes, let's just tear it all down cause they're getting a little heavy handed on this minor issue. |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:44:46 -
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So even after the public release of your findings CONCORD is threatening to take the samples by force? What are you hiding CONCORD?
Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR!
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1286
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Posted - 2015.06.26 02:58:04 -
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Looks like CONCORD is picking a fight, if all the associated branches agreed to adjust Sec Status in that manner.... Given the situation, I actually stand with my fellow Capsuleers in this matter. Should the call come in, you have my axe.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Enso Nibbana
Brahman
3
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Posted - 2015.06.26 03:28:50 -
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If he has a portion of the late Dr.'s brain.
They may want it to re-clone him? |
Stef Darklighter
Scrum Squad Empyreus
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Posted - 2015.06.26 03:29:42 -
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This is a truly disturbing turn of events, and is a reminder of why I chose to migrate into null security space.
Makoto Priano, my offer of sanctuary and supporting firepower remains open to both yourself and all pilots flying under the flag of Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries.
I expect that it may soon come time to make an example of Yulai and raze it to a cinder. |
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1922
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Posted - 2015.06.26 04:40:26 -
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Keihaat kotautkko! |
Lord Kailethre
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
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Posted - 2015.06.26 05:26:55 -
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Scherezad wrote:Keihaat kotautkko! C-can I get a translation, please? |
Frenjo Borkstar
Borkstar Laboratories
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Posted - 2015.06.26 05:32:53 -
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This is not only despicable, but disgusting! Disgusting that one of the organisations that "makes our society what it is" is having to threaten SCIENTISTS, in order to get what they want.
This cannot be allowed. And honestly, they must not get that body.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
979
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Posted - 2015.06.26 05:44:14 -
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CONCORD again demonstrates they have no interest in the peace and protection of the cluster. They would much rather overstep the bounds of their mandate to abuse their authority to their own ends.
This is all about power, CONCORD wants to have all the power, so they use what power they have to take other's power. Given their actions as of late, they are certainly hiding something regarding the Drifters and the fate of Hilen Tukoss. They can't risk capsuleers retaining ownership of any potential clues since it might enable us to find out some of the information they are concealing, and that would shift the balance of power away from them.
It also, certainly gets stuck in CONCORD's craw that capsuleers have been doing what we can to research and counter the drifter threat while CONCORD does nothing to prepare in case of the worst. If their inaction is due to some information we don't possess about the potential threat, then they have only themselves to blame for not sharing it with us. We have seen they have also tried posturing against the Empire for their efforts in shoring up defenses against the Drifters.
Given their actions, I don't believe CONCORD can be trusted in these matters, and while we should seek a peaceful resolution, we should not bow to threats. I stand ready to defend my comrades from any wrongful aggression from the DED |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
853
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Posted - 2015.06.26 05:45:40 -
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There is only one reason to request all the biomass samples.
To get legal confirmation that it was Hilen Tukoss, and thus, gain legal authorisation to activate one of his backup clones.
There are more subtle ways of making that request.
And if they don't want to activate one of his backups, and given the behaviour of some of the corporations involved, I would find it surprising if they did want to activate his backup, then there is no reason to request the biomass.
So, this looks like little more than an extortion racket. Threaten punishments, that can only be countered, by doing CONCORD's work for them, by shooting CONCORD's enemies.
Hurr.
Doctor Valerie Valate, archaeologist. Not the other Doctor Valerie Valate.
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
980
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Posted - 2015.06.26 06:06:50 -
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and independent analysis was performed to verify that it was indeed a piece of Tukoss, and the people who performed that analysis are among those being threatened.
I don't see why CONCORD would be concerned by verification if it's just for reasons of clone activation as the people responsible for that would likely be his corporation rather than CONCORD.
Something else is going on here whether it is the concealment of information for nefarious purposes or just CONCORD being greedy and wanting to hold all the chips. If this were all above board, members of CONCORD would not be pushing their weight around. |
Jev North
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
283
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Posted - 2015.06.26 06:20:50 -
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And suddenly I understand what some people were on about.
Well, uh. Outlaw life isn't too bad? Just saying. |
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Rhavas
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
442
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Posted - 2015.06.26 06:24:46 -
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At last, CONCORD puts its true colors out for all to see.
This "One Cluster Government" in which they believe that they know better than the government you have chosen for yourselves. Where then is the right to salvage, if nothing else?
CONCORD has outlived its usefulness. The Jove are gone, and with them what authority and need for existence CONCORD ever had. The idea that CONCORD is anything other than wholly corrupt is laughable, as they manage bribes between sides for everything from their oh so threatening "standings" to looking the other way for paid "war" declarations to carefully orchestrated endless wars between the Empires. All grist for the machine, and fed willingly by the denizens of the Empires.
For those of you left in the Empires, hold to what dignity remains, and throw off the shackles of these sad, corrupt, and devoid of purpose self-appointed rulers that think themselves above your own leaders. Make your voices heard. And if that is not sufficient, join those who have left their confines for wormholes and the empires of the outer regions.
Ms. Priano and Mr. Raholan, while we may disagree on our perceptions of Mr. Tukoss himself, I will personally fund your security status tags to underscore my remarks and display the corruption for all of New Eden to see should it become necessary.
Author of Interstellar Privateer
Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary
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Trii Seo
752
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Posted - 2015.06.26 06:28:56 -
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Wow. Just... wow.
Anyway, I'd say evacuate the samples to a Serpentis station. It's near some people who would love a quiet verbal... who am I kidding, loud and involving explosive results, exchange with CONCORD. After the fiasco of operation Spectre, many people will think twice about executing CONCORD authority in those regions as well.
The king is dead, long live the king!
Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
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Jev North
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
283
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Posted - 2015.06.26 06:33:59 -
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Rhavas wrote:The idea that CONCORD is anything other than wholly corrupt is laughable [...] CONCORD has hardly ever acted differently towards capsuleers than it does; this is its machinery working as intended. Keeping uppity capsuleers down and their violence directed towards each other and sanctioned targets is its function, and has been from the beginning. Framing it as some kind of betrayal or corruption from a good-buy cop role that existed only in people's heads is an extremely tired pirate loyalist schtick. |
H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
9
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Posted - 2015.06.26 07:25:28 -
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(just for clarification I assume this situation targets IKAME as a whole not just the individuals that part-took)
What concerns me the most is the fact that we are being threatened with the security status "stick" for performing and publicizing independent research on a biomass sample that was delivered to us by it's finder and thus rightful owner (Raholan-san) and returned after it's examination ended. We are not outlaws who monetize their findings in secrecy but scientist who's actions in this case where driven not by profit possibilities but public security.
I would understand if the DED, if gen. Korachi is truly acting on their behalf, went after Raholan-san alone. But this.. this is exactly the kind of misplaced law enforcement that fuels any existing conspiracy theories and sparkles new ones.
Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
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Kyoko Sakoda
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
235
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Posted - 2015.06.26 07:44:04 -
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Jev North wrote:And suddenly I understand what some people were on about.
Well, uh. Outlaw life isn't too bad? Just saying.
Out-of-whose-law?
I mean that rhetorically. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1680
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Posted - 2015.06.26 08:45:40 -
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Why not simply turn over the biomass?
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Lord Kailethre
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
103
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Posted - 2015.06.26 08:55:47 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Why not simply turn over the biomass?
I believe that Lord Raholan has misgivings about CONCORD's intent, especially given their recent actions in regards to Drifter related incidents and information. And it's completely understandable, especially since they're now threatening him because of it.
It's all quite fishy. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1257
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Posted - 2015.06.26 09:04:15 -
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Two things spring to mind here immediately.
Firstly this sample was collected from a salvage mission *outside* of Empire space and CONCORD control sphere. This surely means that any and all materials discovered fall under the laws of astro-maritime salvage.
Secondly CONCORD would not need all samples to clarify that these were indeed the remains of Hilen Tukoss. one would be sufficient to verify the genetic identity if this were to legally force the activation of a med-clone.
The actions of this officer are heavy handed to say the least and must fall outside of his remit. Are CONCORD a group formed for the protection of the Empires or to control them by force?
I call upon all of my contacts and agents within the 4 Empires to petition against this action. We capsuleers perform numerous duties for those representatives and I personally have excellent standings with many of them. CONCORD is acting arbitrarily and assuming that they can command independent residents of the Empires to do as they are bid. CONCORD is there to keep the peace between the Empires, not enforce laws within them. |
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
196
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Posted - 2015.06.26 09:16:27 -
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We would suggest compliance.
We Return.
Unit XS365BT.
Designated Communications Officer.
Unit Commune.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1680
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Posted - 2015.06.26 09:17:51 -
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Lord Kailethre wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Why not simply turn over the biomass? I believe that Lord Raholan has misgivings about CONCORD's intent, especially given their recent actions in regards to Drifter related incidents and information. And it's completely understandable, especially since they're now threatening him because of it. It's all quite fishy.
Threatening to confiscate evidence needed for an ongoing investigation is not an uncommon procedure for law enforcement, and it is normal for a refusal to cooperate to be met with judicial punishment.
I don't like that CONCORD has authority in matters like this, instead of local law enforcement, but they do. It is not appropriate to withhold evidence from them.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Lord Kailethre
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
103
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Posted - 2015.06.26 09:21:51 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Lord Kailethre wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Why not simply turn over the biomass? I believe that Lord Raholan has misgivings about CONCORD's intent, especially given their recent actions in regards to Drifter related incidents and information. And it's completely understandable, especially since they're now threatening him because of it. It's all quite fishy. Threatening to confiscate evidence needed for an ongoing investigation is not an uncommon procedure for law enforcement, and it is normal for a refusal to cooperate to be met with judicial punishment.
Unfortunately I do have all the facts of the matter. This is simply what is evident from what Lord Raholan has said and wrote. For a more in depth answer I believe that Lord Raholan himself will have to field it. It's entirely possible he no longer views CONCORD as an entity that should wield judicial power. |
iyammarrok
Ultramar Independent Contracting
332
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Posted - 2015.06.26 09:28:26 -
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Lord Kailethre wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Lord Kailethre wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Why not simply turn over the biomass? I believe that Lord Raholan has misgivings about CONCORD's intent, especially given their recent actions in regards to Drifter related incidents and information. And it's completely understandable, especially since they're now threatening him because of it. It's all quite fishy. Threatening to confiscate evidence needed for an ongoing investigation is not an uncommon procedure for law enforcement, and it is normal for a refusal to cooperate to be met with judicial punishment. Unfortunately I do have all the facts of the matter. This is simply what is evident from what Lord Raholan has said and wrote. For a more in depth answer I believe that Lord Raholan himself will have to field it. It's entirely possible he no longer views CONCORD as an entity that should wield judicial power.
His views are irrelevant in the face of the fact that they currently DO wield such power. Unless he wants his intransigence to cost everyone involved their freedom, he should probably comply.
-Tertianus Rethelior
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1680
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Posted - 2015.06.26 09:29:43 -
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Lord Kailethre wrote:It's entirely possible he no longer views CONCORD as an entity that should wield judicial power.
With utmost respect to his lordship, obedience to lawful authority is not a matter decided by personal views. Does his lordship believe his subjects should also have a right to refuse to obey him because they arbitrarily decide that his authority is not valid?
CONCORD should not wield judicial power, this I agree on. But they do.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
138
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Posted - 2015.06.26 09:47:30 -
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"Concerns of intentions of your group"?! Do you really mean that?! After giving us all this shiny medal?! Just... wow! Let me ask you a question - how fast would we be dead and gone if we were baseliner researchers? And how fast would you again go hush-hush and nothing happened?
Well we are not like that. We, unlike these poor brave SCOPE reporters and the Eifyr and Co. employee who we STILL don't know anything about, have the ability to go all out for the people of this cluster!
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
10
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Posted - 2015.06.26 10:02:14 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Why not simply turn over the biomass?
Of course I by no means am Raholan-san's representative in the matter, but I would most definitely not hand the sample over. Not the whole piece at least. If approached with a polite request, not a threat that we currently witness, I would be willing to consider sharing the sample and any research outcome I was able to produce (which, as I believe, we already did) in exchange for a statement that any results from the other side's investigation would also be reported to the public.
By trying to acquire the WHOLE sample for internal "analysis and formal legal confirmation of identity" DED is not only undermining dr. Scherezad's and dr. Tenebrae's work but also sending a feed to the conspiracy theorists that they do not want anymore public, independent research to be commenced because [please fill in with Your current favourite gossip, plot etc.].
Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
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Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
48
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Posted - 2015.06.26 10:04:25 -
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To the honored CONCORD Assembly, To fellow Capsuleers,
I am deeply concerned by the steps taken by Brigadier General Odo Korachi. Many valid doubts have already been brought forth against his course of action. I would like to address some of them specifically.
(1) The request for tissue samples being handed over to Directive Enforcement Department (DED) has been anounced as a press statement by DED Director of Operations Arve Vesren (117-06-08 20:01). No legal basis or executive order has been made publicly known at this time.
(2) The usage of the public security status system - which is a fundamental instrument to maintain a balanced stellar peace for the cluster - as a means of coercion against law abiding individuals is a fundamental threat to CONCORD's legitimacy and the security system itself.
(3) It has now become totally apparent to the stellar community, that the DED is deeply concerned about the latest revelations regarding the drifter threat, the fate of Dr. Hilen Tukoss, and the issue of genetic identity and possible alterations of a certain type. If we are expected to trust CONCORD and the DED to act on behalf of New Eden's security and well-being, we expect CONCORD and the DED to trust us and share the reasons for those serious concerns with us in return.
(4) To exert executive power without legal basis and reason - even with the intend to protect and defend the well-being of citizens - is an indication of dictatorship and suppression - even when directed against transhumanist beings. It must be explained and detailed how Article 5, Section C of the Yulai Convention is deemed relevant in the case at hand and how honored BGen Odo Korachi's executive steps are deemed appropriate. All people addressed by the 'final demand' are citizens of one of the nations or members of closely affiliated corporations.
The Pakshi Peace Conference closed its commission work a few days ago. Two commissions were specificly dedicated to the role and future of CONCORD. There is an atmosphere of tension, mistrust, and resentment against CONCORD on the rise. Nevertheless, the Peace Conference and many independent Capsuleers clearly support the ideal and mission of CONCORD. Reason and civilized communication is necessary to overcome these tensions and to clarify for all involved how we want to take on future threats directed towards our societies.
Clearly, escalation through harsh ultimatum and threat, directed against respected citizens and capsuleers, is not helpful to calm emotions down and create such a mutual debate about our future security. I address the honored CONCORD Assembly and Inner Circle to review the acting of BGen Odo Korachi and issue an urgent instruction to cease any hostilities against the capsuleers threatened by BGen Korachi's 'final demand'. I furthermore address the representatives of the four nations to make a public statement as soon as possible.
Respectfully yours,
Haria Haritimado Delegate to the Pakhshi Peace Conference
Character blog: Horizons and Reflections
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Lord Kailethre
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
103
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Posted - 2015.06.26 10:23:05 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Lord Kailethre wrote:It's entirely possible he no longer views CONCORD as an entity that should wield judicial power. With utmost respect to his lordship, obedience to lawful authority is not a matter decided by personal views. Does his lordship believe his subjects should also have a right to refuse to obey him because they arbitrarily decide that his authority is not valid? CONCORD should not wield judicial power, this I agree on. But they do.
I can't claim to know how Lord Raholan's mind works, only that these appear to be his outward views. He actually hasn't told anyone in the Society, to my knowledge, his feelings on the matter. Only that he refuses to hand over the 'evidence.' |
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
1135
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Posted - 2015.06.26 10:24:51 -
[38] - Quote
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Two things spring to mind here immediately.
Firstly this sample was collected from a salvage mission *outside* of Empire space and CONCORD control sphere. This surely means that any and all materials discovered fall under the laws of astro-maritime salvage. People usually don't fall under salvage laws. Even in societies where people can be properties, there is usually a legal distinction between them and livestock or material goods.
Moreover, the DED does operate outside of empire space.
Quote:Secondly CONCORD would not need all samples to clarify that these were indeed the remains of Hilen Tukoss. one would be sufficient to verify the genetic identity if this were to legally force the activation of a med-clone. Given the nature of what happened to Hilen Tukoss, I doubt they want the samples simply to verify the remains.
Quote: Are CONCORD a group formed for the protection of the Empires or to control them by force? Actually, CONCORD was formed to keep the peace between empires. They regulate capsuleer activities as part of their remit to handle intergalactic trade, specifically cloning.
Also because their ships can act throughout a larger part of the cluster than that of any empire.
Quote: CONCORD is acting arbitrarily and assuming that they can command independent residents of the Empires to do as they are bid. CONCORD is there to keep the peace between the Empires, not enforce laws within them. If you have a clone body then you are not 'independent.'
Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
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Frenjo Borkstar
Borkstar Laboratories
87
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Posted - 2015.06.26 10:36:09 -
[39] - Quote
Jev North wrote:Rhavas wrote:The idea that CONCORD is anything other than wholly corrupt is laughable [...] CONCORD has hardly ever acted differently towards capsuleers than it does; this is its machinery working as intended.
The machine's case has been opened, and that has been exposed now. To their detriment.
Elements that they may try to "seize" are being evacuated to null security space (I know mine has!), where CONCORD will get a fight from owners if they try to get it.
They're not getting that biomass, lest they damage it, end of.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
398
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Posted - 2015.06.26 10:37:19 -
[40] - Quote
The Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive urges all parties involved to adhere to the DED request and hand over the remains of the late Hilen Tukoss. After receiving a response from DED Officials to our request for leniency to all involved. While this request was rebuffed, several points of conduct were produced and while Tukoss was a traitor to the Caldari State the man deserves to at least be properly and legally identified by the DED and put to rest in a proper manner.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Frenjo Borkstar
Borkstar Laboratories
87
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Posted - 2015.06.26 11:10:55 -
[41] - Quote
I myself have now recieved a response to my mail.
It states that I should convince my fellow scientists to do "the right thing" by handing over the body so the DED can "lay him to rest in an honourable manner". In said mail, he didn't even refer to me as "Dr. Borkstar" instead calling me "Mr." yet he talks about honour. I earned my title, and I have the right to request that I be referred to by it.
To be blank, not happening. It is not the right thing to do at all.
My points in said mail stand, as they do here.
EDIT: Link to mail conversation so far is here.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1257
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Posted - 2015.06.26 11:44:15 -
[42] - Quote
I don't suppose that Hilen Tukoss left a will stating that he left any and all mortal remains to science?
Normally I would agree that his remains should be delivered to his family. However we do not know the nature and source of his unusual brain structure. If it is proprietary to one of the clusters corps then they should say so and all investigation cease. If this is something that Hilen came by in Drifter space whilst away we really need to know everything we can about it.
CONCORD's approach in this matter disturbs me, I have and continue to deliver my service to the Empires in defence against the various pirates that inhabit them. I believe that I and those like me deserve some transparency on this. It's about time CONCORD told us just what exactly is going on with the Jove and the Drifters? |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
138
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Posted - 2015.06.26 12:43:44 -
[43] - Quote
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I don't suppose that Hilen Tukoss left a will stating that he left any and all mortal remains to science?
He left a whole bunch of backups, that's the point.
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
185
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Posted - 2015.06.26 12:50:33 -
[44] - Quote
Lord Kailethre wrote:Scherezad wrote:Keihaat kotautkko! C-can I get a translation, please?
"Keihaat" is "hiding"
...Having trouble with the second word.
Rules of Acquisition #261
A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1258
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Posted - 2015.06.26 13:00:04 -
[45] - Quote
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:Lord Kailethre wrote:Scherezad wrote:Keihaat kotautkko! C-can I get a translation, please? "Keihaat" is "hiding" ...Having trouble with the second word.
Could it be 'cucumber'?
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Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
2400
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Posted - 2015.06.26 13:12:15 -
[46] - Quote
My advice is to throw the remains into a star and let his memory rot. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1786
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Posted - 2015.06.26 13:24:16 -
[47] - Quote
Will Gauss wrote:CONCORD, through actions like this and the imprisonment of press who did little more than report the news truthfully has delegitimized itself and no longer represents the capsuleer community, and as such, holds no rightful authority over the capsuleer community.
Once created to serve the law, CONCORD today is little more than just another pirate faction using force to enforce its will and should only be regarded as such: shot at and removed from endangering others like any other pirate entities found on one's overview. They never represented the capsuleers, CONCORD was created by Empires and works with them(more or less). As long they have power, be it CONCORD, Empires, capsuleer entities, they can do whatever they want this true in majority of cases.
Rhavas wrote:...For those of you left in the Empires, hold to what dignity remains, and throw off the shackles of these sad, corrupt, and devoid of purpose self-appointed rulers that think themselves above your own leaders... I'm confused are you describing capsuleer entities.
Akrasjel Lanate
Member of Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Citizen of Solitude
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Will Gauss
TerminalDogma New Eden Research Coalition
25
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Posted - 2015.06.26 14:21:30 -
[48] - Quote
Through Odo Korachi, CONCORD has been served with legal papers regarding the unlawful and unprecedented threat to seize material property from Capsuleers.
Order to Show Cause |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5071
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Posted - 2015.06.26 14:21:58 -
[49] - Quote
Concord represents capsuleers in the same way that the Caracal represents small fluffy, flightless, raptor chicks. I am amazed that anybody has failed to see this.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Rhavas
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
442
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Posted - 2015.06.26 14:26:20 -
[50] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Will Gauss wrote:[quote=Rhavas]...For those of you left in the Empires, hold to what dignity remains, and throw off the shackles of these sad, corrupt, and devoid of purpose self-appointed rulers that think themselves above your own leaders... I'm confused are you describing capsuleer entities.
You are confused because you removed the rest of the paragraph.
[Quote=Rhavas]Make your voices heard. And if that is not sufficient, join those who have left their confines for wormholes and the empires of the outer regions.[\quote] The Gallente should vote for leaders who believe in their way, which this dictatorial approach is not. The Tribes should decide if, having thrown off the Empire and at last looking to our roots for the right governance, they will bend the knee to those who have shown both incompetence and prejudice in this very matter against Eifyr. The Holders should look at the that the Drifters bring to their holdings and the inaction of CONCORD and petition the Empress to demand and exercise her sovereignty. And the Caldari should be most insulted of all - many of these capsuleers are a subsidiary of Ishukone, and Mens Reppola should be demanding independence to say nothing of the Caldari view that Tukoss was a traitor.
As for capsuleers, vote with your warp drives as I suggest.
Author of Interstellar Privateer
Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary
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Rhavas
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
444
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Posted - 2015.06.26 14:40:10 -
[51] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Concord represents capsuleers in the same way that the Caracal represents small fluffy, flightless, raptor chicks. I am amazed that anybody has failed to see this. CONCORD does not, and never has, represented capsuleers in any way. They are the Jove-appointed referees of conflict between the empires. That said they have long shown aspirations of meta empire and belief that capsuleers should obey them. And now they are making their first stumbles toward dictatorial authority. We'll you be sheep and give them that power?
The Jove are gone and it is time to revoke CONCORD's charter.
Author of Interstellar Privateer
Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary
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Will Gauss
TerminalDogma New Eden Research Coalition
25
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Posted - 2015.06.26 15:26:27 -
[52] - Quote
I have arrived at the Inner Circle Tribunal. Neither Odo Korachi nor any other CONCORD official or counsel has as of yet appeared to represent CONCORD's interests in the Order to Shoe Cause proceedings. |
Slutty Underwear
The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare. A Band Apart.
28
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Posted - 2015.06.26 16:22:47 -
[53] - Quote
I think it would be unwise and counter productive to not comply with Odo Korachi instructions. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
2402
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Posted - 2015.06.26 16:55:25 -
[54] - Quote
Yeah, this is going to happen because DED, CONCORD, etc have no need to respond to your 'summons'. You have no lawful power over them.
Of course, the mistake they are making is that they think they hold lawful power over the capsuleers and good luck with THAT, as they already burned that bridge by allowing capsuleers to be semi-sovreign entities in the first place. |
Kerena Alabel
The Desolate Order Brave Collective
37
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Posted - 2015.06.26 17:42:36 -
[55] - Quote
concord needs to pull their heads out of their asses |
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
747
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Posted - 2015.06.26 17:56:28 -
[56] - Quote
I've petitioned DED director Vesren.
Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation
Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
402
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Posted - 2015.06.26 18:44:41 -
[57] - Quote
You may petition the DED and CONCORD. However their answer will be the same. Failing to comply to their demands is a breach of interstellar law. Odo Korachi's demands are well within their operational limits afforded to them by CONCORD.
Those who call themselves Caldari Loyalists should push for the lawful transfer of Hilen Tukoss's remains: "The advice of the Chief Executive Panel and the Caldari Business Tribunal is, after a discussion this morning, to encourage all those involved to comply with interstellar law, and bring this ridiculous situation to a close in line with the law."
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Arimeth
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.06.26 18:45:09 -
[58] - Quote
Rhavas wrote:The Jove are gone and it is time to revoke CONCORD's charter.
And invite chaos and destruction? The last time that CONCORD were taken out of play, the Empire was invaded en masse and the State went in to reclaim Home. Now imagine how it all would have ended if CONCORD didnt eventually intervene and everyone were left to their own devices? A ruin, bloodied and barren.
But let's entertain the idea that CONCORD is dismantled. What do you put in its place? Who would keep the peace? The nations were quickly at each others throats given opportunity. So that leaves us with... us, the capsuleers, who I believe would be busy eating each other while everything around us burned. |
Arimeth
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.06.26 19:08:22 -
[59] - Quote
While I, to a certain degree, understand IKAME's position and desire for more transparency from CONCORD, I have to back the statement given by CEP and CBT.
Refusing to comply with their demands would be ill-advised.
I hope this situations reaches a quick resolution. |
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
980
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Posted - 2015.06.26 19:10:45 -
[60] - Quote
John Revenent wrote:You may petition the DED and CONCORD. However their answer will be the same. Failing to comply to their demands is a breach of interstellar law. Odo Korachi's demands are well within their operational limits afforded to them by CONCORD.
Even if the demands are within their mandate, the threats are not, and frankly, given CONCORD's recent continued actions, I don't think handing the samples over would be the right thing to do even if it is the legal thing to do. |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5076
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Posted - 2015.06.26 19:20:56 -
[61] - Quote
Xindi Kraid wrote:John Revenent wrote:You may petition the DED and CONCORD. However their answer will be the same. Failing to comply to their demands is a breach of interstellar law. Odo Korachi's demands are well within their operational limits afforded to them by CONCORD.
Even if the demands are within their mandate, the threats are not, and frankly, given CONCORD's recent continued actions, I don't think handing the samples over would be the right thing to do even if it is the legal thing to do.
Are they within their capabilities? That's more the question.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7177
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Posted - 2015.06.26 19:34:01 -
[62] - Quote
Pilts may wish to be aware of CONCORD's recent release.
The idea that DED wishes to lay the man to rest as a matter of respect and dignity is laughable at best. Do they care in the slightest about the thousands, tens or hundreds of thousands of corpses that litter New Eden? Do they routinely offer rites on behalf of the dead? Trying to cast this matter as one of 'respect for the dead' is a crass, callous, and utterly transparent effort to play on public sentiment, and little reason to render four capsuleers outlaws when they had already met the spirit of CONCORD's request.
Were Eifyr & Co. or the relatives of the late Hilen Tukoss to request Tukoss's remains, then this would be another matter entirely.
As it stands, my respect for CONCORD as an institution lessens with each day.
More after I complete some consultations.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
12
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Posted - 2015.06.26 19:42:53 -
[63] - Quote
John Revenent wrote:You may petition the DED and CONCORD. However their answer will be the same. Failing to comply to their demands is a breach of interstellar law. Odo Korachi's demands are well within their operational limits afforded to them by CONCORD.
Those who call themselves Caldari Loyalists should push for the lawful transfer of Hilen Tukoss's remains: "The advice of the Chief Executive Panel and the Caldari Business Tribunal is, after a discussion this morning, to encourage all those involved to comply with interstellar law, and bring this ridiculous situation to a close in line with the law."
As our representatives have stated many times during this discussion, the sample in question is not within IKAME's possession. If otherwise, CEP's call would have been in place but, as the situation stands, I would expect the Panel to push the other side to step down from their threats.
Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
983
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Posted - 2015.06.26 19:47:17 -
[64] - Quote
Threatening IKAME and our members for things outside our control is most definitely out of line. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1687
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Posted - 2015.06.26 19:54:54 -
[65] - Quote
I highly recommend that the associated individuals adhere to CONCORD demands and turn over the biomass.
Should the individuals continue to refuse to cooperate, and should the corporations involved refuse to disassociate with their criminal members, I will be encouraging my alliance to reset relations. The Court Chamberlain has expressed solidarity with CONCORD in this matter. PIE will not maintain positive relations with those who act contrary to interstellar law.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
140
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:03:18 -
[66] - Quote
Makoto Priano wrote:Pilts may wish to be aware of CONCORD's recent release.The idea that DED wishes to lay the man to rest as a matter of respect and dignity is laughable at best. Do they care in the slightest about the thousands, tens or hundreds of thousands of corpses that litter New Eden? Do they routinely offer rites on behalf of the dead? Trying to cast this matter as one of 'respect for the dead' is a crass, callous, and utterly transparent effort to play on public sentiment, and little reason to render four capsuleers outlaws when they had already met the spirit of CONCORD's request. Were Eifyr & Co. or the relatives of the late Hilen Tukoss to request Tukoss's remains, then this would be another matter entirely. As it stands, my respect for CONCORD as an institution lessens with each day. More after I complete some consultations. A bounty for execution? A bounty? Come on, you fat butts, I will stand next to each of these people and assist them with everything I have. What's the price tag on my head, huh?! Let's go, you, lazy-ass "law enforcers"!
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
404
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:25:40 -
[67] - Quote
H1de0 wrote:As our representatives have stated many times during this discussion, the sample in question is not within IKAME's possession. If otherwise, CEP's call would have been in place but, as the situation stands, I would expect the Panel to push the other side to step down from their threats.
CEP and the Tribunal is taking a stance of neutrality on the matter. However they do support the seizure of the remains in question as the DED request adheres to terms of interstellar law. I lobbied for a decrease in measures to avoid 'collateral damage' it was denied.
In turn decorated members of my own organization will be designated as outlaws. One has already dutifully tendered their resignation because of this fiasco. We urge Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque to issue a release of the remains on behalf of Lord Lucas Raholan. If this is not possible Ishukone-Raata will be forced to echo the statements of our allies in Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1069
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:29:36 -
[68] - Quote
Lord Raholan should be ashamed of himself.
As well as CONCORD for bullying all the other ones in the process.
You all disgust me. |
Frenjo Borkstar
Borkstar Laboratories
89
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:30:18 -
[69] - Quote
If you're giving them bounties, I want one too.
We're all equal in the scientific community!
Bring it, Korachi you ****.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
983
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:30:37 -
[70] - Quote
So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage?
No one besides Raholan even has samples to turn over to CONCORD, by holding other people hostage, CONCORD has shown themselves to be unjust, and anyone who would similarly strike at not-at-fault persons are similarly unjust.
Were this JUST sanctions against Lucas Raholan, that would be a different matter, but they are threatening a great number of people with very harsh penalties; and rather than striking at your own members and allies, you should be showing solidarity with them. |
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1923
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:35:41 -
[71] - Quote
In reception of Brigadier-General Korachi's original request, I replied with contract to deliver all supplies used to conduct the studies involved in production of the original report. I fail to see how I could comply more than this.
But if the General wishes to make enemies of friends, to slander their names in intercluster broadcasts, to call them monsters - so be it.
You will find me hard to break, General. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1267
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:37:39 -
[72] - Quote
So CONCORD are laying claim to Hilen Tukoss' remains under Article 8 Section B (2a) I assume as I thought Hilen was effectively stateless after he was kicked out by the Caldari bunch he worked for?
If that is the case why are his remains a matter of security? Yet CONCORD stand by and watch Drifters take capsuleer corpses wherever they can get their grubby little tractor beams on them. I guess it is because the investigation remains open into his death?
Trying to dress this up as respect for his remains whilst placing a bounty on scientists who are trying to understand exactly what happened and why is laughable. No capsuleer sees a corpse as anything more than biomass since that's exactly what it was built from in the first place. We destroyed our true bodies when we became capsuleers! Any clone we use now is a self mobile coptic jar to all intents and purposes.
CONCORD need to think carefully about their actions here. Antagonizing the capsuleer community is really not a good idea. It would be far better to co-operate with and benefit from the expertise being applied to this issue rather than apply punitive measures against those trying to assist them. |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
282
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:41:50 -
[73] - Quote
While I can not officially support Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd., I can ensure that no Crimson Serpent Syndicate employee, capsuleer or baseliner, will assist in any way with the hunt for these bounties. Furthermore, I will petition that the Heiian Conglomerate maintain neutrality in the matter. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5077
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:43:45 -
[74] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:In reception of Brigadier-General Korachi's original request, I replied with contract to deliver all supplies used to conduct the studies involved in production of the original report. I fail to see how I could comply more than this. But if the General wishes to make enemies of friends, to slander their names in intercluster broadcasts, to call them monsters - so be it. You will find me hard to break, General.
You can always sleep on the couch, Scherezad-suuolo. We have little use for Concord, since they meddled in sovereign State affairs and tarnish our security status for simply doing our jobs.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Anslo
Scope Works
31833
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:45:05 -
[75] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:In reception of Brigadier-General Korachi's original request, I replied with contract to deliver all supplies used to conduct the studies involved in production of the original report. I fail to see how I could comply more than this. But if the General wishes to make enemies of friends, to slander their names in intercluster broadcasts, to call them monsters - so be it. You will find me hard to break, General.
And she's not alone.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
157
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:45:32 -
[76] - Quote
Given the recent release from the DED I would implore all parties involve, right or wrong to release the body to CONCORD. At this time I think it would be best to think of your employee's and crewmen, do not risk anymore lives over this when we can pursue all form of legal appeal after turning over Dr. Tukoss' remains.
Sincerely K. Amsel |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
142
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:49:15 -
[77] - Quote
Vizage wrote:Given the recent release from the DED I would implore all parties involved, right or wrong to release the body to CONCORD. At this time I think it would be best to think of your employee's and crewmen, do not risk anymore lives over this when we can pursue all form of legal appeal after turning over Dr. Tukoss' remains. Sincerely K. Amsel That's exactly what people wanted and all they got was a price tag on their head. Well shame, CONCORD, we can stand our ground!
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
405
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:51:30 -
[78] - Quote
Xindi Kraid wrote:So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage?
We are cooperating with CONCORD and the DED lawful requests. Capsuleers are in no position to dictate terms with the CONCORD assembly.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
159
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:53:53 -
[79] - Quote
Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose.
I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which your position looks almost certainly like it will.
-K |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1690
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:56:41 -
[80] - Quote
Xindi Kraid wrote:So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage?
No one besides Raholan even has samples to turn over to CONCORD, by holding other people hostage, CONCORD has shown themselves to be unjust, and anyone who would similarly strike at not-at-fault persons are similarly unjust.
Were this JUST sanctions against Lucas Raholan, that would be a different matter, but they are threatening a great number of people with very harsh penalties; and rather than striking at your own members and allies, you should be showing solidarity with them.
Whether or not they are unjust is irrelevant. The only variable that determines PIE's stance is Amarr's stance, and the Court Chamberlain has made Amarr's stance clear. Perhaps some people place value in rioting against authority, but PIE does not. Order demands compliance with lawful authority, regardless of whatever personal reservations one may have with that authority.
House Raholan stands to lose its titles and land and their lord be declared a criminal by Imperial authorities. Should SFRIM continue to stand by Lucas Raholan, they will be demonstrating support for his actions. PIE will not have our own name dragged through the mud as a result of the scandalous activities of our affiliates. They either sever their support of anti-authoritarian activities or it is very likely that we sever our support of them. This should not be surprising.
"But guilt by association!" you will say. Well, yes. One's character is indeed determined by the company they keep.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1269
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:57:33 -
[81] - Quote
'Heavy Handed'? This goes way past that, I haven't seen such huge bounties before, surely arrest warrants and search warrants would have made more sense. Any loss of life here will be on CONCORD's hands, it is they who are threatening violence and inciting others to the same.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
144
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:57:33 -
[82] - Quote
Vizage wrote:Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose.
I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will.
-K As I said, i will stand by my comrade's side. What are you going to do?
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Anslo
Scope Works
31839
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Posted - 2015.06.26 20:57:43 -
[83] - Quote
Vizage wrote:Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose.
I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will.
-K I'm sorry but it's hard to justify working with a bunch of vindictive thugs when they condemn everyone for the bullheaded actions of a single idiot.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Euttere Geten
Pathfind
9
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Posted - 2015.06.26 21:08:02 -
[84] - Quote
Yeah, this reeks, worse than that last legal shadowplay CONCORD tried to sell.
Maybe they're overly defensive due to Tyrannos incursion, which they have let go on unabated I might add, but heightened security is no excuse for this little tantrum. An organization that touts the rule of law shouldn't resort to bloodsport as a means of recourse: that's not justice but petty revenge. An organization that touts security shouldn't attempt to stimie and smother scientific inquiry, particularly one with potential implications for the whole cluster. If they had said that they wished to corroborate scientific findings and asked for materials, perhaps these citizens would be more cooperative.
They've ignored signatory law, endangered the public welfare, and were quick to employ threat of violence as the means to a questionable end. I will not comply with their directive, and to the best of my ability, will provide logistical aid to any member of a corporation so threatened, particularly those who have had no involvement in the acquisition of Dr. Tukoss' remains.
I invite CONCORD to either provide substantive justification for this show of bravado, not just some terse subparagraph of a soulless document, or openly breach Tribal law in the attempt to stop me. |
H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
16
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Posted - 2015.06.26 21:16:35 -
[85] - Quote
John Revenent wrote:Xindi Kraid wrote:So in other words, Revenant and Kernher, you are assisting CONCORD in holding persons unfairly implicated in the actions of ONE person hostage? We are cooperating with CONCORD and the DED lawful requests. Capsuleers are in no position to dictate terms to the CONCORD assembly.
Indeed we are in no position to dictate terms to either DED or CONCORD assembly, but we have every right to defend ourselves from false accusations and overuse of any intergalactic body's authority.
Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
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Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
581
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Posted - 2015.06.26 21:21:14 -
[86] - Quote
Disheartening.
Disheartening and disappointing.
Until this point, I had ordered corporate silence in relation to this matter within Liberty Vanguard, waiting to see if a more reasonable approach would be taken by the involved parties. The time for waiting, it seems, has ended.
Liberty Vanguard, while a proponent of lawful oversight and a supporter of the due process of law and exercise of jurisdiction, cannot sit idly by while this blatant abuse of power and unjust persecution of individuals proceeds in spite of the intended cooperation of the involved individuals to the best of their abilities.
In light of this, Liberty Vanguard public petitions CONCORD to:
(a) reconsider the course of action it has chosen in prosecuting action against individual(s) by association regardless of their independent cooperation to the best of their ability and resources
(b) restore the good standing of the aforementioned prosecuted individual(s) in lieu of their intended cooperation
(c) demonstrate the ability to prosecute interstellar law and exercise jurisprudence with discretion and in the spirit of justice by focusing its intent on the lawful acquisition of the demanded resources and the prosecution solely of those individual(s) who seek to impede this acquisition
It is with remorse but without hesitation that I personally add, if CONCORD wishes to persist in this flagrant abuse of power and disregard for the spirit of justice, you may as well adjust my standings as well.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
958
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Posted - 2015.06.26 21:29:20 -
[87] - Quote
Vizage wrote:I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will. Um ... we are talking about capsuleers and CONCORD, aren't we?
Considering the record on either side, and especially CONCORD's usual approach to punishing capsuleers ... wouldn't it be much more surprising if nobody died?
(I agree that it's maybe not a good idea to be defying CONCORD, but it's going to be pretty neat to see whether we can, and how far....) |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5080
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Posted - 2015.06.26 22:00:45 -
[88] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:Vizage wrote:Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose.
I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will.
-K As I said, i will stand by my comrade's side. What are you going to do?
Not aggress DED warships and die futilely, I suspect. Nobody with significant Highsecurity interests will lift a finger - for obvious reasons. It's all very well for me to sit in low security space and offer support to my suuolen, but given the CEP's position, there's no way I'd lift a finger for strangers where it would likely get me obliterated!
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
961
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Posted - 2015.06.26 22:01:57 -
[89] - Quote
Actually ...
If everyone concerned wanted to resolve the "bounty" issue with minimal loss of life....
Supposing all the bounty subjects, at a certain date and time, gather at a certain station (perhaps CONCORD HQ in Yulai?) in unmodified or minimally-modified clones, along with a volunteer corps of other outlaw capsuleers (whoever wanted to participate)?
At a certain time, all the targets, plus the random outlaw "chaff," undock and begin to make their way along a path of their own choosing through highsec towards a predetermined location. Any fast-locking capsuleers (prepared or otherwise) along the route get to take a crack at the passing swarm of capsules in hopes of catching one of the bounties. They'll be hard targets, but everyone has an issue with their navigation sooner or later.
A good time is had by all, bounties are cleared, justice, as envisioned by CONCORD, is done, and the resulting renegade capsuleer biomass can be returned to CONCORD HQ for either CONCORD's use as it sees fit or as protest material.
(Though might that last result in a Seeker feeding frenzy? Hm. ... that might make for a better protest, even, for those so inclined.) |
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
197
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Posted - 2015.06.26 22:02:01 -
[90] - Quote
As CONCORD is the body responsible for the control of Capsuleers and their assets within High security space, we would suggest compliance.
Further refusal to acquiesce to General Korachi's request is likely to incur further penalties.
We Return.
Unit XS365BT.
Designated Communications Officer.
Unit Commune.
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
160
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Posted - 2015.06.26 22:20:34 -
[91] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:Vizage wrote:Funny because that sounds exactly like the opposite of what you're saying. I'm not saying CONCORD isn't coming down heavy handed but if you're going to make this wager, you'd better be prepared for to pay if you lose.
I for one would be incredibly disappointed in both sides if this lead to any unnecessary loss of life. Which from your position looks almost certainly like it will.
-K As I said, i will stand by my comrade's side. What are you going to do?
I am going to do the only thing I can do. Implore both sides to see reason. But given CONCORDS rather brutish and ignorant flexing of power I very much doubt they are as willing to listen like my fellow capsuleers.
As I said, you're either wagering what they've said is a bluff, or ignoring the very real consequences it will have it they aren't. While I dearly hope for the former, I'm more inclined on belief of the latter.
Anslo wrote: I'm sorry but it's hard to justify working with a bunch of vindictive thugs when they condemn everyone for the bullheaded actions of a single idiot.
It's not about working with them. CONCORD has made it clear they don't want to work with us, but rather simply comply with their demands.
That may be a hard pill to swallow, but I'd hope many of us would rather pay this fee with their pride rather than their crewmen.
Aria Jenneth wrote: Um ... we are talking about capsuleers and CONCORD, aren't we?
Considering the record on either side, and especially CONCORD's usual approach to punishing capsuleers ... wouldn't it be much more surprising if nobody died?
(I agree that it's maybe not a good idea to be defying CONCORD, but it's going to be pretty neat to see whether we can, and how far....)
While not wrong Ms. Jenneth, it doesn't justify further loss, especially over what is essentially already a corpse.
Liam Antolliere wrote:...if CONCORD wishes to persist in this flagrant abuse of power and disregard for the spirit of justice, you may as well adjust my standings as well.
Be careful what you wish for.... |
Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
583
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Posted - 2015.06.26 22:38:32 -
[92] - Quote
Vizage wrote:Be careful what you wish for....
Sage advice.
However, what I wish for is reason and a leveled approach to the situation, one that honors the pursuit and enforcement of justice while also respecting and honoring the spirit of the law as it pertains to individual action and cooperation.
If I get what I wish, then all of this will result in CONCORD turning its attention toward the legal acquisition of that which it pursues through the resources and channels available to it without the disregard for individual liberty and lack of recognition of their spirit of cooperation.
If I don't get what I wish, then I'll not back out of the way and let this injustice proceed without some manner of standing against it. What good is a conviction if you are unwilling to face the consequences for adhering to it?
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
550
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Posted - 2015.06.26 22:39:02 -
[93] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:Whether or not they are unjust is irrelevant. The only variable that determines PIE's stance is Amarr's stance, and the Court Chamberlain has made Amarr's stance clear. Perhaps some people place value in rioting against authority, but PIE does not. Order demands compliance with lawful authority, regardless of whatever personal reservations one may have with that authority.
House Raholan stands to lose its titles and land and their lord be declared a criminal by Imperial authorities. Should SFRIM continue to stand by Lucas Raholan, they will be demonstrating support for his actions. PIE will not have our own name dragged through the mud as a result of the scandalous activities of our affiliates. They either sever their support of anti-authoritarian activities or it is very likely that we sever our support of them. This should not be surprising.
"But guilt by association!" you will say. Well, yes. One's character is indeed determined by the company they keep.
Ms. Kernher,
I'm quite concerned with your blatant misrepresentation of bot the Court Chamberlains words as well as SFRIM's actions in this matter.
The Court Chamberlain clearly criticized CONCORD for its heavy handed actions, which you frame one-sidedly as "solidarity with Concord in this matter". While there is some sympathy to see in the Court Chamberlains condemnation of the desecration of the remains of Dr. Tukoss, the Court Chamberlain has given a much more differentiated stance than the one you're ascribing.
If you'd have been in communication on these matters with your superiors, like Fleet Captain Shutaq, you'd know that SFRIM has so far tried to bring this situation to a solution by convincing Cpt. Raholan to comply with CONCORD.
SFRIM will continue to do so, and while we don't condone his actions in this matter - and already haven taken disciplinary measures, to the degree possible - we very much agree with the Court Chancelor in the cirtique of the Directive Enforcement Department and its heavy handed actions: If more resonable steps would have been taken, SFRIM would have had much more opportunity to bring this situation to resolution, than we have now. In the end, even though pilot Raholan is a member of our organisation, we can't force him to comply with these DED's demands and strategy of CONCORD in handling this severely limited our ability to convince Lucas Raholan to comply.
Therefore, SFRIM sees the escalation strategy by CONCORD and the DED in this matter with concern. Yet, we will keep on woring towards a resolution.
Our sympathies are especially with those capsuleers that have to suffer under sanctions without having any ability to comply with CONCORD's demands.
Regards, - N. Mithra Directix/CEO [SFRIM] |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1694
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Posted - 2015.06.26 22:52:44 -
[94] - Quote
A member of your corporation is involved in a scandal. In order to preserve your corporation from the stain of that scandal, his removal will most likely be necessary if he continues to refuse to comply with CONCORD's demands. You may not be able to force him to give up the biomass, but you do have the ability to distance your corporation from him.
And in spite of your assumptions, I have been in communication with my superiors.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
551
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Posted - 2015.06.26 23:40:14 -
[95] - Quote
Then you should've had no reason to misrepresent the actions taken by SFRIM: You should have known that we don't - at all - support any defiance to legal authority. Yet you did misrepresent our actions as such in your previous post.
Also, whether we will have to remove pilot Raholan or if we will be able to convince him to do the right thing is yet open: There is no need for you to speculate on this. Much less do you need to speculate on what actions SFRIM will take if this situation will find no reasonable solution: You can rest assured that SFRIM will do the right thing. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3465
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Posted - 2015.06.27 00:15:42 -
[96] - Quote
Hello, lovelies!
As of 22:54 CONCORD time, pilot Scherezad has been placed under corporate arrest and administrative leave by authority of the Ishukone-Raata Internal Watch. She is now in my custody.
Until this situation is resolved we will ensure that she continues to be fully cooperative with the authorities involved, without severing her employment contract and benefits package. Due to her exemplary service to the State and Ishukone, we feel this is the most gentle option we have available. Visitation by friends and family will of course be allowed, and she will remain free to resign her employment status at any time.
To our understanding, pilot Scherezad has already cooperated and submitted to the demands of the DED by contracting over all materials and information she has access to. Until further demands are made, there is little more she or Ishukone-Raata can do to address the situation.
Due to her noted efforts to comply, we currently have no plans to terminate Scherezad's employment contract, and advise strongly against any hasty diplomatic changes.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1697
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Posted - 2015.06.27 00:25:38 -
[97] - Quote
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Also, whether we will have to remove pilot Raholan or if we will be able to convince him to do the right thing is yet open: There is no need for you to speculate on this. Much less do you need to speculate on what actions SFRIM will take if this situation will find no reasonable solution: You can rest assured that SFRIM will do the right thing.
I have speculated on nothing. I have only said that if SFRIM does not convince him to hand over the biomass, or remove him, then there will be issues for the corporation. If SFRIM does convince him, or alternatively removes him, then there won't be issues.
I apologize if the 'if-then' statement in my posts was unclear.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
968
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Posted - 2015.06.27 00:25:42 -
[98] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:As of 22:54 CONCORD time, pilot Scherezad has been placed under corporate arrest and administrative leave by authority of the Ishukone-Raata Internal Watch. She is now in my custody. Um ... respectfully, is there no alternative to this, Ms. Oniseki?
Or is this, maybe, something a little different than it sounds?
I've been confined to quarters before. It was a horrible experience. Admittedly there were circumstances that made it ... worse, but ...
From what you're saying, surely Ms. Scherezad can't be considered to have acted improperly? So, respectfully, why detain her? |
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
553
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Posted - 2015.06.27 00:35:39 -
[99] - Quote
I'm confident that I-RED's decision to detain Cpt. Scherezad is for the best of all involved parties. Thorugh it, they show that they are quite capable of level-headed decisions. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3465
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Posted - 2015.06.27 00:40:47 -
[100] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:As of 22:54 CONCORD time, pilot Scherezad has been placed under corporate arrest and administrative leave by authority of the Ishukone-Raata Internal Watch. She is now in my custody. Um ... respectfully, is there no alternative to this, Ms. Oniseki? Or is this, maybe, something a little different than it sounds? I've been confined to quarters before. It was a horrible experience. Admittedly there were circumstances that made it ... worse, but ... From what you're saying, surely Ms. Scherezad can't be considered to have acted improperly? So, respectfully, why detain her?
I'd rather not discuss more details in public out of respect for her.
I will reiterate that visitation is perfectly allowed for anybody concerned for her well being.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
987
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Posted - 2015.06.27 01:02:43 -
[101] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:Hello, lovelies!
As of 22:54 CONCORD time, pilot Scherezad has been placed under corporate arrest and administrative leave by authority of the Ishukone-Raata Internal Watch. She is now in my custody.
Until this situation is resolved we will ensure that she continues to be fully cooperative with the authorities involved, without severing her employment contract and benefits package. Due to her exemplary service to the State and Ishukone, we feel this is the most gentle option we have available. Visitation by friends and family will of course be allowed, and she will remain free to resign her employment status at any time.
To our understanding, pilot Scherezad has already cooperated and submitted to the demands of the DED by contracting over all materials and information she has access to. Until further demands are made, there is little more she or Ishukone-Raata can do to address the situation.
Due to her noted efforts to comply, we currently have no plans to terminate Scherezad's employment contract, and advise strongly against any hasty diplomatic changes. I am glad you are at least being level headed. The other posts from I-RED leadership along with those if PIE indicate a desire to burn bridges rather than properly handle this absurd situation.
I still must protest actions taken against persons who have no control over the situation, however.
Again, while I am against how severe the punishments leveled against Raholan, I can at least concede defiance of the DED is at least a concise choice on his part. The rest, however have been wrongfully implicated, and are being held hostage, and it is unfortunate to see Corporations and alliances following CONCORD 's example in this matter, by attempting to diminish the corporations and individuals involved. |
Mark726
Project Compass Holdings
196
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Posted - 2015.06.27 01:14:50 -
[102] - Quote
I am disappointed that CONCORD has only escalated an already delicate situation with unreasonable demands unbecoming of a supposedly civilized institution. I once had respect for the institution, but I fear it waning every day while it seeks only to amass power without regard to any checks or balances.
I once again offer Project Compass Holdings' full support, both materiel and moral, to any of the afflicted pilots.
Author, EVE Travel
Author, EVE Lore Survival Guide
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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
1137
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Posted - 2015.06.27 01:20:07 -
[103] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:From what you're saying, surely Ms. Scherezad can't be considered to have acted improperly? So, respectfully, why detain her? There is the matter of the giant bounty on her head.
Though we all know what an ethical and gentle people capsuleers are, 25 PLEX might motivate others to seek her out and do her harm.
Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
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Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
172
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Posted - 2015.06.27 02:07:57 -
[104] - Quote
We are not always criminals because we like to create mayhem, sell slaves, take advantage of the inherently stupid and commit general acts of debauchery.
Not always.
Sometimes, when you exist outside the law, you see the law-makers as being more corrupt and dishonest then any den of thieves.
In other words, "I told you so."
Miss Priano and company, I understand your reasons for not wanting to "flee into darkness." Might I suggest you advance towards the light.
Utopia is a haven for many who CONCORD have branded "Outlaw." And Angels are never far.
Should you wish to stay in CONCORD space and need a legal team, please contact me privately.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
585
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Posted - 2015.06.27 02:13:10 -
[105] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:From what you're saying, surely Ms. Scherezad can't be considered to have acted improperly? So, respectfully, why detain her?
I would suggest it's more a state of "protective custody" than detainment.
From an outside observation, at least.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5085
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Posted - 2015.06.27 02:21:55 -
[106] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:As of 22:54 CONCORD time, pilot Scherezad has been placed under corporate arrest and administrative leave by authority of the Ishukone-Raata Internal Watch. She is now in my custody. Um ... respectfully, is there no alternative to this, Ms. Oniseki? Or is this, maybe, something a little different than it sounds? I've been confined to quarters before. It was a horrible experience. Admittedly there were circumstances that made it ... worse, but ... From what you're saying, surely Ms. Scherezad can't be considered to have acted improperly? So, respectfully, why detain her? I'd rather not discuss more details in public out of respect for her. I will reiterate that visitation is perfectly allowed for anybody concerned for her well being.
Can I bring her a cake?
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6744
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Posted - 2015.06.27 02:54:29 -
[107] - Quote
Concord's command must be hitting the boosters pretty hard these days.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1937
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Posted - 2015.06.27 03:15:17 -
[108] - Quote
Lemon spicecake please, Pieter. The sort with the gingery taste and the raisins and the lemon glaze.
I should probably eat something. |
Luis Norelius
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2015.06.27 03:21:27 -
[109] - Quote
DED's reaction in the Hilen biomass case is making me rethink my career path. Up until now I've been a peaceful explorer pursuing new discoveries and expanding our knowledge of our past and future. If threat's against IKAME realise, I'll retreat into space where DED's heavy hands won't reach. Just for the record, I am 100% behind our CEO, Makoto Priano. I acknowledge and am grateful for the support of other capsuleers in this case.
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1069
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Posted - 2015.06.27 09:32:33 -
[110] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Also, whether we will have to remove pilot Raholan or if we will be able to convince him to do the right thing is yet open: There is no need for you to speculate on this. Much less do you need to speculate on what actions SFRIM will take if this situation will find no reasonable solution: You can rest assured that SFRIM will do the right thing. I have speculated on nothing. I have only said that if SFRIM does not convince him to hand over the biomass, or remove him, then there will be issues for the corporation. If SFRIM does convince him, or alternatively removes him, then there won't be issues. I apologize if the 'if-then' statement in my posts was unclear.
You have already explained your stance perfectly in the first of your statements.
If you really intend to bring further diplomatic issues in public between PIE Inc and SFRIM, do it. |
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terzslave
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
187
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Posted - 2015.06.27 10:37:28 -
[111] - Quote
An attack on IKAME is an attack on the State itself. I call for the CEP to take a stance against CONCORD and their DED cronies! |
Utari Onzo
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
292
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Posted - 2015.06.27 11:57:20 -
[112] - Quote
terzslave wrote:An attack on IKAME is an attack on the State itself. I call for the CEP to take a stance against CONCORD and their DED cronies!
A heavy handed, but perfectly legal action against a group of Capsuleers is somehow an attack on the State itself? Hardly.
In the case of CONCORD's actions, they have been trying to break open a nut with a sledgehammer, but ultimately they are following procedure. They do, infact, have the legal authority to conduct themselves in this manner. The Chamberlain's Court has already deplored such heavy handed actions, but has threatened punitive measures against Imperial citizens involved in not handing over the remains, in this case we assume His Lordship Raholan. I fail to see how the State is going to put its own neck out for one small group of Capsuleers.
I, for one, am very sorry that the others involved are being threatened with sanctions because of the words and deeds of one errant Lord. My Lord Raholan, I urge you to reconsider your actions, and hand over the remains. Don't let your friends, and worst of all your very House, suffer for your pride.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Anslo
Scope Works
31843
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Posted - 2015.06.27 12:20:32 -
[113] - Quote
He doesn't care who suffers. He hides behind the weak reasoning that his actions "stick it to the man" for the inaction of CONCORD against the Minmatar for the Elder fleets attack. Meanwhile, officials of the very home he wishes justice for is telling the idiot to turn it over. Honestly I don't think he cares for anything except the attention and the feeling of being a "rebel." Do yourself a favor Raholan, leave legally dubious actions to those of us who know what were doing, you playing bad boy is hurting people who have no right to be hurt, and who were given no choice in their fate.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Constance Bonacieux
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1
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Posted - 2015.06.27 12:30:59 -
[114] - Quote
Why not simply hand umm 'the remains' over to the Kingdom or Imperial Governments. They can then negotiate with Concord. Problem solved! |
Lord Kailethre
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
112
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Posted - 2015.06.27 12:54:45 -
[115] - Quote
Scherezad wrote:Lemon spicecake please, Pieter. The sort with the gingery taste and the raisins and the lemon glaze.
I should probably eat something.
Oooooh, can I get some of those, please? I'll trade you some uhmmm... *rummages lunchbox* ...some fruit? |
Frenjo Borkstar
Borkstar Laboratories
89
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Posted - 2015.06.27 14:25:51 -
[116] - Quote
Arek'Jaalan and Borkstar Laboratories firmly stand by Makoto Priano and Lucas Raholan. CONCORD have really pushed us all over the edge this time, and we cannot condone such actions.
If CONCORD try to take any remains or any equipment, it should be destroyed - I know mine will be.
Makoto, Lucas, if you need supplies or anything, contact me and I'll deliver them personally.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
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Tarek Raimo
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
29
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Posted - 2015.06.27 14:26:16 -
[117] - Quote
Makoto Priano wrote:Pilots;
I can only assume that KorachiGÇÖs insistence that we only communicate with him is in part because he is overstepping his mandate; I can only assume that other commanders within CONCORD are more diplomatic, are better able to interface with the independent Capsuleers that form this clusterGÇÖs best defense against the Nation and other threats, are more understanding of the free-spiritedness and pride of many of the most powerful individuals in existence.
[...]
It remains my hope that Korachi has overstepped his bounds, and that by shining a light on his intransigence those within CONCORD who are better able to serve the needs of CONCORD and the cluster may rise to serve in his stead.
Considering that DED director Arve Vesren herself has issued a decree supporting the statements of Odo Korachi it seems like your hopes are in vain.
I begin to get the impression that the DED are developing ever further into an out-of-control goonsquad. Let us not forget that it was only recently that they detained journalists without charge or due process for the simple act of publishing the material of a whistleblower.
CONCORD was founded to a large extent on the efforts of the great Gallente president and advocate for peace Aidonis Elabon. The DED of today are trampling on the very ideals that their organisation were once built upon. |
Tarek Raimo
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
29
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Posted - 2015.06.27 14:51:26 -
[118] - Quote
I have written a petition to my representatives Admiral Auvier Bauvon and General Allisa Audere. I hope it makes a difference. Here is what I wrote:
Quote:
Admiral Bauvon, General Audere
As a Federation citizen and member of the Gallente Militia I am deeply concerned about the course the DED has taken in their latest persecution of capsuleers who have done nothing wrong except disputing their right to determine the fate of the remains of an esteemed colleague and scientist, Hilen Tukoss.
While the DED might have a mandate to establish the identity of the deceased beyond a doubt, the decrees by Brigardier Odo Korachi and Madame Arve Vesren go way beyond what can be called due process and even common sense. Putting bounties on the heads of capsuleer scientists because of a simple dispute about potential evidence is unprecedented. The bounty itself even exceeds what was offered for the destruction of Provist insurrectionalists who were proven criminals and terrorists!
Considering that the very existence of CONCORD and therefore the DED can be traced back to the efforts of our own great president Aidonis Elabon, I strongly feel that the Gallente Federation should respond to this latest excessive overstepping of boundaries by leading DED personnel, particularly as it follows on the heels of the unlawful detention of two innocent Gallente journalists in the connection with Eifyr&Co. whistleblower case.
I trust that you will use your authority as leading Gallente commanders in an effort to rein in the DED and make it serve justice and peace rather than abusing their power to persecute innocents, something we are unfortunately all too familiar with from our own history.
Sincerely Commander Tarek Raimo of the Eleutherian Guard
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Samantha Calderon
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
6
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Posted - 2015.06.27 15:57:32 -
[119] - Quote
It is remarcable to see the first sprouts of capsuller class-consciousness here. |
Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
894
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Posted - 2015.06.27 16:25:23 -
[120] - Quote
Have you been afforded Counsle? While any cooperation may set standings as they see fit, the seizing of assets can only be done through a Court of law in each of the recognized empires and Concord tribunal. At each of these you are afforded the right to an attorney of your choosing and cost or a Defender of Law for free. DED has no right to size your assets without due process. DED does not have the authority to seize your assets outside of Concord/DED facilities with out such due process.
Maybe the good DED must reread the condord charter.
Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896
Free The Scope Three
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
161
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Posted - 2015.06.27 16:41:53 -
[121] - Quote
Dradis Aulmais wrote:Have you been afforded Counsle? While any cooperation may set standings as they see fit, the seizing of assets can only be done through a Court of law in each of the recognized empires and Concord tribunal. At each of these you are afforded the right to an attorney of your choosing and cost or a Defender of Law for free. DED has no right to size your assets without due process. DED does not have the authority to seize your assets outside of Concord/DED facilities with out such due process.
Maybe the good DED must reread the condord charter.
Clearly you know absolutely nothing about what you're speaking on, and didn't even take the time to read the Public Release Memo the DED issued on these charges. Because if you'd had, you would have clearly seen where the law is exactly outlined in the Yulai Convention.
But here you go anyway:
DIRECTIVE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT STATEMENT GÇô REF 117/06/25 - 099-345697234-099 wrote:
Rights to salvage are outlined in Article 8 of the Yulai Convention (Trade and Salvage). Specifically, Article 8 Section B explains that rights to salvage on destroyed vessels lie with the individual responsible for the destruction of the vessel, or the individual who makes first claim to the salvage upon its discovery.
Article 8 Section B (2) explains that rights to salvage do not include claims to biomass, and the responsibility for any persons, living or dead, discovered aboard wreckage lies with their immediate next of kin. If no competent next of kin exists, responsibility for those discovered lies with the government of their citizenship.
Article 8 Section B (2a) states that the Directive Enforcement Department can assume right to biomass in matters of interstellar security, when an investigation marked as such remains open, regardless of citizenship.
Had you read this you would understand that the remains of Dr. Tukoss' IS NOT his property and he therefore has no rights to claim over its subsequent seizure. |
Frenjo Borkstar
Borkstar Laboratories
90
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Posted - 2015.06.27 16:47:32 -
[122] - Quote
Vizage wrote:Had you read this you would understand that the remains of Dr. Tukoss' IS NOT his property and he therefore has no rights to claim over its subsequent seizure.
At least we can show respect to his remains, unlike CONCORD who are using that as an excuse to persecute innocent capsuleers.
I advise you don't support them.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
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Matar Ronin
536
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Posted - 2015.06.27 16:48:29 -
[123] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:Katrina Oniseki wrote:As of 22:54 CONCORD time, pilot Scherezad has been placed under corporate arrest and administrative leave by authority of the Ishukone-Raata Internal Watch. She is now in my custody. Um ... respectfully, is there no alternative to this, Ms. Oniseki? Or is this, maybe, something a little different than it sounds? I've been confined to quarters before. It was a horrible experience. Admittedly there were circumstances that made it ... worse, but ... From what you're saying, surely Ms. Scherezad can't be considered to have acted improperly? So, respectfully, why detain her? I'd rather not discuss more details in public out of respect for her. I will reiterate that visitation is perfectly allowed for anybody concerned for her well being. Can I bring her a cake? I am sending a small sterilized file to Pilot Tuulinen to include in that cake. Great for cutting bars of any holding cell. Say what you will but we Matari have some experience escaping "protective custody".
Any capsuleer held by or under threat of Concord deserves non-partisan support.
I object to how Concord has handled this case thus far. If they think they are going to coerce the Caldari or any capsuleers by brute force they are in for an unfortunate surprise. They might be shocked to discover how quickly we can put aside our current differences to stand together against a general threat to all capsuleers by heavy handed thugs hiding behind a Concord badge or DED desk.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
894
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Posted - 2015.06.27 17:00:42 -
[124] - Quote
Vizage wrote:Dradis Aulmais wrote:Have you been afforded Counsle? While any cooperation may set standings as they see fit, the seizing of assets can only be done through a Court of law in each of the recognized empires and Concord tribunal. At each of these you are afforded the right to an attorney of your choosing and cost or a Defender of Law for free. DED has no right to size your assets without due process. DED does not have the authority to seize your assets outside of Concord/DED facilities with out such due process.
Maybe the good DED must reread the condord charter. Clearly you know absolutely nothing about what you're speaking on, and didn't even take the time to read the Public Release Memo the DED issued on these charges. Because if you'd had, you would have clearly seen where the law is exactly outlined in the Yulai Convention. But here you go anyway: DIRECTIVE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT STATEMENT GÇô REF 117/06/25 - 099-345697234-099 wrote:
Rights to salvage are outlined in Article 8 of the Yulai Convention (Trade and Salvage). Specifically, Article 8 Section B explains that rights to salvage on destroyed vessels lie with the individual responsible for the destruction of the vessel, or the individual who makes first claim to the salvage upon its discovery.
Article 8 Section B (2) explains that rights to salvage do not include claims to biomass, and the responsibility for any persons, living or dead, discovered aboard wreckage lies with their immediate next of kin. If no competent next of kin exists, responsibility for those discovered lies with the government of their citizenship.
Article 8 Section B (2a) states that the Directive Enforcement Department can assume right to biomass in matters of interstellar security, when an investigation marked as such remains open, regardless of citizenship.
Had you read this you would understand that the remains of Dr. Tukoss' IS NOT his property and he therefore has no rights to claim over its subsequent seizure.
Here you go
DIRECTIVE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT STATEMENT GÇô REF 117/06/25 - 099-345697234-099 wrote:
Directive Enforcement Department warrant to seize equipment pertaining to the ongoing investigation into the death of Dr. Tukoss by force, under Article 5, Section C of the Yulai Convention, which would then not be limited purely to the biomass in question.
they imply that they will size what ever they please. No where in the statement was the pilot in question afforded an attorney. nor was he allowed to present his counter claim.
Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896
Free The Scope Three
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Matar Ronin
541
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Posted - 2015.06.27 17:37:52 -
[125] - Quote
There is a robust market for capsuleer biomass. Concord has never done anything to disrupt it. If according to the Yulai Agreements capsuleer remains should be handed over to next of kin or the state why has Concord done nothing to stop the trade in corpses?
If I scoop one piece of veldspar from someone else's wreck I would get an immediate criminal suspect flagging, if biomass is not legal salvage why does it not trigger suspect status? Selective enforcement?
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
161
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Posted - 2015.06.27 17:43:27 -
[126] - Quote
Makers sake, are you daft. You just listed both the Article and Section of the Yulai Convention that gives them the legal authority to do so, what exactly are you arguing? The pilot in question has NO RIGHT to a proper attorney or present a counter claim by the very articles you just listed untill AFTER he has been apprehended.
He has absolutely zero, let me say that again ZERO, judicial rights to a counter-claim. The body of Dr. Tukoss's is not his to take. The equipment used after his recovery while unfortunate is pertinent to the ongoing investigation.
Rest assured I'm sure we will see a trial AFTER he is apprehended and the body returned. But as he is still at large CONCORD has every right to issue bounties and levy heavy sanctions against him and anyone they suspect he may be using to evade their request.
Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Vizage wrote:Had you read this you would understand that the remains of Dr. Tukoss' IS NOT his property and he therefore has no rights to claim over its subsequent seizure. At least we can show respect to his remains, unlike CONCORD who are using that as an excuse to persecute innocent capsuleers. I advise you don't support them.
What respect Doctor?
The man is running around with the poor Doctor's corpse in his cargo hold. If respect was really the foundation of your argument he would have been buried, respectfully by now.
Right now all I see is a few capsuleers using this poor mans body as a bloody banner for capsuleer independence, respect has nothing to do with it, and making some oft and unproven claim that CONCORD or the DED somehow plan on not doing exactly what they've outlined doing is grasping at straws at best.
If these people didn't like living under CONCORD rule and the Yulai convention they should have opted to leave High-security space like so many of us have done, or not become a capsuleer at all.
We all signed the paper upon attaining our licence. We all have a right to question and challenge the laws we live under, but not to disobey them in their enaction.
Return the poor souls body, End this nonsense.
Sincerely K. Amsel.
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Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
53
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Posted - 2015.06.27 17:57:40 -
[127] - Quote
Vizage wrote:The man is running around with the poor Doctor's corpse in his cargo hold. [...] Right now all I see is a few capsuleers using this poor mans body [...]
Fellow Capsuleers,
I would like to point out that we did not recover the corpse of Hilen Tukoss. Mr. Lucas Raholan was not able to extract the corpse from the wreck of a Buzzard class spaceship due to reasons unknown. We are talking about the following:
Medical Report wrote:The tissue sample has a mass of 137 grams. There is little moisture in the sample, the vast majority having evaporated on exposure to vacuum. This has caused the tissue to shrink from its original size and deform.
It is not known to us, or at least to me, what happened to the corpse. When we returned, it had vanished. Parts of the wreckage remained visible.
Sincerely,
Haria Haritimado
Character blog: Horizons and Reflections
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
161
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Posted - 2015.06.27 18:14:55 -
[128] - Quote
My apologise Ms. Haritimado, corpse was the wrong term. I'll preform a small edit. Remains I suppose is the closest best term. I hope that is satisfactory.
K. Amsel |
Anyanka Funk
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
114
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Posted - 2015.06.27 18:18:35 -
[129] - Quote
This is pretty funny. Wish it had happened to me instead. I'd love to be bountied for that much. |
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
749
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Posted - 2015.06.27 21:59:22 -
[130] - Quote
You know, I was all for handing over the remains, but the more CONCORD goes into OVERDRIVE, the more I feel like that may not be a good idea.
tl:dr: It's a trust issue, if you want to gain someone's trust, this is not the way to go about it. ...That counts for both sides, perhaps.
Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation
Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate
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Malleus Karris
Karris Family
13
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Posted - 2015.06.27 22:20:32 -
[131] - Quote
Dradis Aulmais wrote:Why this Biomass? Drifters have been stealing corpses for months now. DED has done nothing. It's quite simple if you think about it.
The Drifters are Jovian. They are simply protecting their technology. CONCORD does not have authority over them, as they are not Capsuleers certified through CONCORD. Both Hilen Tukoss and those responsible for salvaging his remains are.
While this seems straightforward, there's an added wrinkle. This action is presumably based on recovery efforts in unknown space. That means it was not Jovian nor CONCORD jurisdiction. Until this is established, there are no legally binding rules regarding salvage therein.
Just as CONCORD cannot enforce a travel ban to these systems, they are not legally able to confiscate salvage or remains obtained there. That is why they are proceeding with internal remedies to this by threatening the Capsuleers in question. That is also why they did not present a legal case to these Capsuleers but are using salvage law to justify their internal actions.
There is no legal case being presented, because none exists. Neither the Drifters stealing corpses nor the remains of Hilen Tukoss are under CONCORD's jurisdiction. One, however, is a perfect excuse to continue the "Threat to Interstellar Security" line of reasoning that the DED has been using to keep information regarding the Drifters secret. It is how they are grasping for power over freedom of speech, freedom of inquiry, and freedom of movement.
As Capsuleers, we should all be alarmed by this. As citizens of New Eden, we should be up in arms. |
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
992
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Posted - 2015.06.27 23:15:24 -
[132] - Quote
How awfully convenient for CONCORD to only choose to enforce the law now. A truly fair and just group does not pick and choose when to enforce which laws when it is convenient. Their job is to enforce all of the laws all of the time. By failing to enforce the laws regarding corpse ownership they indicated it does not matter to them and both that and their sudden use of that ignored law to get what they want only demonstrates corruption in their ranks and leadership. |
Suzuha Yamada
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
6
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Posted - 2015.06.27 23:37:33 -
[133] - Quote
I think the recent events in Sarum Prime are a prominent example of why CONCORD needs to cooperate with us as capsuleers in an open manner. The drifter threat has shown to be very real in the last 12 hours, more so than any other time.
Their current actions are nothing more than petty politics and name calling when the fate of the cluster now hangs in the balance.
I wrote to the DED, and my plea had obviously been ignored. So, again, I urge that CONCORD cease hostilities and work together with us to deal with this very real and dangerous threat. |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
157
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Posted - 2015.06.27 23:49:52 -
[134] - Quote
People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.
They should end this circus and get on the frontline.
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Zekiel Iyhr
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2015.06.28 00:02:31 -
[135] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.
They should end this circus and get on the frontline.
To be fair, after I shot at the Drifters, I also shot at the looters. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
164
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Posted - 2015.06.28 00:11:34 -
[136] - Quote
Jaret Victorian wrote:People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.
They should end this circus and get on the frontline.
Maker's sake, thats the job of the Empires Navies. Maintaining Sovereign borders and the protection of ones citizens is each Empires job, not the DED's. They are a police force, primarily for us, they hunt criminals and track smugglers. They are not an army. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1279
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Posted - 2015.06.28 00:20:06 -
[137] - Quote
Vizage wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.
They should end this circus and get on the frontline. Maker's sake, thats the job of the Empires Navies. Maintaining Sovereign borders and the protection of ones citizens is each Empires job, not the DED's. They are a police force, primarily for us, they hunt criminals and track smugglers. They are not an army.
Maybe not but they did simply stand by and watch an attack on one on the Empites unfold right in front of them. Are they so callous as to ignore the death and destruction being laid out in front of them?
'Not my problem mate' was most definitely not the answer I would expect to hear from any in a position to do something about it. |
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
995
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Posted - 2015.06.28 00:22:28 -
[138] - Quote
Vizage wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.
They should end this circus and get on the frontline. Maker's sake, thats the job of the Empires Navies. Maintaining Sovereign borders and the protection of ones citizens is each Empires job, not the DED's. They are a police force, primarily for us, they hunt criminals and track smugglers. They are not an army. Another convenient excuse? |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1279
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Posted - 2015.06.28 00:27:30 -
[139] - Quote
Xindi Kraid wrote:Vizage wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote:People died today in the heart of one of the Empires, in a 1.0 system. An unprecedented incursion of 100 Drifter Battleships. What does the CONCORD? Shoots looters, ofcourse, because that's the law.
They should end this circus and get on the frontline. Maker's sake, thats the job of the Empires Navies. Maintaining Sovereign borders and the protection of ones citizens is each Empires job, not the DED's. They are a police force, primarily for us, they hunt criminals and track smugglers. They are not an army. Another convenient excuse?
Bollocks more like.
Either these Drifters are a corp as per their listings and therefore opened fire in a criminal manner. This should have warranted a CONCORD response in the usual manner.
The other option is that this attack was by an unlisted group and is therefore more akin to a targeted incursion. In this case every damn ship available should have opened fire. |
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
997
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Posted - 2015.06.28 00:55:22 -
[140] - Quote
Unless my memory is faulty, CONCORD never did much to counter Sansha incursions either, and they ARE a registered pirate organization that would fall under CONCORD's purview. Clearly, CONCORD is guilty of gross neglegence.
I should also note, independent pilots and groups who arrived to assist were not under any obligation either. "Not my job" is a poor excuse for not helping. |
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1946
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Posted - 2015.06.28 01:02:39 -
[141] - Quote
Matar Ronin wrote:I am sending a small sterilized file to Pilot Tuulinen to include in that cake. Great for cutting bars of any holding cell. Say what you will but we Matari have some experience escaping "protective custody".
Aw, now they know, Mr Ronin! How can I sneak out of my room to go down to the casino if they're expecting a file in the cake?
Better send two cakes now!
Matar Ronin wrote:Any capsuleer held by or under threat of Concord deserves non-partisan support.
I object to how Concord has handled this case thus far. If they think they are going to coerce the Caldari or any capsuleers by brute force they are in for an unfortunate surprise. They might be shocked to discover how quickly we can put aside our current differences to stand together against a general threat to all capsuleers by heavy handed thugs hiding behind a Concord badge or DED desk.
More seriously - thank you. But I'm not in a cell or anything. I actually was able to go out to the festivities at Sarum Prime, and was able to contribute in my small way during the engagement there. Then we went to Black Rose and politely asked a few Gallente to leave our space. After that, I came home and had tea with the Director of Internal Affairs. So, it's not that bad. But thank you - I mean that. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
165
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Posted - 2015.06.28 01:07:21 -
[142] - Quote
Funny, no one questions why the DED wasn't involved in the Battle over Caldari Prime, two warring nations. Or are they corporations too? Seeing as they are listed and such.....
Stop playing dumb, the Drifters are a hostile force from a clearly hostile nation. Our Navies should be taking care of this, stop using the DED's failure to act outside their jurisdiction as a convenient excuse to lampoon them over the current legal proceedings within their jurisdiction.
War is not their job, simply put, and while its unfortunate they didn't take part in assisting the Amarr navy, it's not their place and quite frankly sets a dangerous precedent for expansion of CONCORD/DED jurisdiction. (Which is something I doubt you all would be interested in.) |
Tarek Raimo
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
34
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Posted - 2015.06.28 01:42:21 -
[143] - Quote
Vizage wrote:Funny, no one questions why the DED wasn't involved in the Battle over Caldari Prime, two warring nations. Or are they corporations too?
That was actually a fully CONCORD sanctioned military action by the Gallente Federation against an aggressor within its own territory. The DED was involved there.
I would be very disturbed to find out that the DED granted the Drifters a permission to openly attack Amarr sovereign space. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
167
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Posted - 2015.06.28 01:55:40 -
[144] - Quote
Tarek Raimo wrote:Vizage wrote:Funny, no one questions why the DED wasn't involved in the Battle over Caldari Prime, two warring nations. Or are they corporations too? That was actually a fully CONCORD sanctioned military action by the Gallente Federation against an aggressor within its own territory. The DED was involved there. I would be very disturbed to find out that the DED granted the Drifters a permission to openly attack Amarr sovereign space.
Sanctioned =/= Involved.
As two signatory nations a Sanction from CONCORD is required before any act of war. That does not mean DED vessels were required to take part in the actual waging of said conflict. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1799
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Posted - 2015.06.28 04:13:20 -
[145] - Quote
Vizage wrote: Stop playing dumb, the Drifters are a hostile force from a clearly hostile nation. Our Navies should be taking care of this, stop using the DED's failure to act outside their jurisdiction as a convenient excuse to lampoon them over the current legal proceedings within their jurisdiction.
OUR Navies, not YOURS. They stopped being yours since you ran away to hide from Caldari duty. Go back to your nullsec, traitor! |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
105
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Posted - 2015.06.28 14:13:52 -
[146] - Quote
Maybe its the haircut that makes you so upset? I'm trying to understand.
Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR!
"DRINK STARSI!" -¬-«GäóOwnership Group Chairman
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Utari Onzo
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
317
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Posted - 2015.06.28 14:23:03 -
[147] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Vizage wrote: Stop playing dumb, the Drifters are a hostile force from a clearly hostile nation. Our Navies should be taking care of this, stop using the DED's failure to act outside their jurisdiction as a convenient excuse to lampoon them over the current legal proceedings within their jurisdiction.
OUR Navies, not YOURS. They stopped being yours since you ran away to hide from Caldari duty. Go back to your nullsec, traitor!
Respectfully, Kim.
You asked for positive contribution to your threads, rather then peoples addressing randomly unrelated points/personal attacks. In the interest of fairness, and considering you've just jumped in to a thread to decry someone as a traitor rather then addressing the content and debate of the thread itself, would you mind showing the same respect?
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
7188
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Posted - 2015.06.28 15:30:46 -
[148] - Quote
Good day, pilots.
My apologies for my absence from this thread, but I've been busy these past several days, as you'd imagine.
As you all know, three of the four to-be-outlaws have had no ability to do anything to whatsoever to comply with Korachi's demands and seeming hegemonic tendencies; the honorable Scherezad-haani offered all she could, for instance, and was rebuffed completely in her desire to cooperate.
As I simply cannot comply in a way he finds material, I see no reason to sacrifice my pride to the heavy-handed threats of the brigadier general, and so shall not pretend to comply.
Further statements will await the events of this evening.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1806
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Posted - 2015.06.28 16:46:39 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Vizage wrote: Stop playing dumb, the Drifters are a hostile force from a clearly hostile nation. Our Navies should be taking care of this, stop using the DED's failure to act outside their jurisdiction as a convenient excuse to lampoon them over the current legal proceedings within their jurisdiction.
OUR Navies, not YOURS. They stopped being yours since you ran away to hide from Caldari duty. Go back to your nullsec, traitor! Respectfully, Kim. You asked for positive contribution to your threads, rather then peoples addressing randomly unrelated points/personal attacks. In the interest of fairness, and considering you've just jumped in to a thread to decry someone as a traitor rather then addressing the content and debate of the thread itself, would you mind showing the same respect? Mr. Onzo, I'd like to point out on two facts: 1) That was exact person who popped out in my thread just to spread insults; and 2) She implied in her speech she could be on of us, and this is insulting for Caldari.
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Tarek Raimo
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
34
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Posted - 2015.06.28 20:03:00 -
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BTW, I got a response from my military representatives.
It was terse. In a nutshell they say enforcement of interstellar legislation does not concern them as long as there are no Federation citizens involved.
To be honest I did not expect much from officials toeing the line of the Roden government. |
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
164
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Posted - 2015.06.28 20:14:40 -
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Tarek Raimo wrote:BTW, I got a response from my military representatives.
It was terse. In a nutshell they say enforcement of interstellar legislation does not concern them as long as there are no Federation citizens involved.
To be honest I did not expect much from officials toeing the line of the Roden government. Politicians. Typical.
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Liam Antolliere
Liberty Vanguard
614
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Posted - 2015.06.28 22:12:42 -
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Tarek Raimo wrote:BTW, I got a response from my military representatives.
It was terse. In a nutshell they say enforcement of interstellar legislation does not concern them as long as there are no Federation citizens involved.
To be honest I did not expect much from officials toeing the line of the Roden government.
Predictable but still disappointing.
The Federation used to stand on principle and do what was ethical, even if it stood to gain nothing for it. Perhaps it is time to show the people what we once were and what we could be again.
"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
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