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Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 05:26:00 - [121] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 29/11/2006 05:28:28 There are NO major problems with blasters. Hyperion when setup right is a awesome ship, people need to stop thinking in RMR mode and setup there ships for this version of the game. Saying the Hyperion sucks cos it can't fit the same tank as a Mega is just STUPID. You don't need to fit the same modules because of the new things called RIGS, which allows you to fit 95% of the tank for less fitting, less module slots and less cap. Thats all i'm going to say about that... If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to? On the test server everyone is trying different setups, often there will be uber-tanks to show off but in real combat I doubt they will fit the same. The whole mentality of "I can't fit the setup I used in RMR on one ship on this new ship in Kali means it sucks" is just a load of rubbish. You have new things to use, so use them, if a blaster ship can't break a tank then no one can. ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 05:26:00 - [122] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 29/11/2006 05:28:28 There are NO major problems with blasters. Hyperion when setup right is a awesome ship, people need to stop thinking in RMR mode and setup there ships for this version of the game. Saying the Hyperion sucks cos it can't fit the same tank as a Mega is just STUPID. You don't need to fit the same modules because of the new things called RIGS, which allows you to fit 95% of the tank for less fitting, less module slots and less cap. Thats all i'm going to say about that... If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to? On the test server everyone is trying different setups, often there will be uber-tanks to show off but in real combat I doubt they will fit the same. The whole mentality of "I can't fit the setup I used in RMR on one ship on this new ship in Kali means it sucks" is just a load of rubbish. You have new things to use, so use them, if a blaster ship can't break a tank then no one can. ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.29 05:37:00 - [123] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 05:39:07 Originally by: Mila Prestoc If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to? They've "adapted" by 100-page whine threads in ships&mods. Some of you make it sound like ALL Gallente do is whine; while the rest of the world bravely trudges uphill both ways to school while waist deep in snow in 150-degree heat - AND LIKES IT! Rubbish. Basically, we're all human, we all want an edge, and WE ALL ****, cry, and moan (and ocasionally get drunk while doing it and get forum warnings ) Honestly, if we find that we have as many problems, we will too. Look, guys/ladies: it isn't a matter of what we think. We can present our cases. For now, the stuff is live! Lets get out there and test it. If it isn't as bad as it sounds, I'll be more than happy that I'm wrong. On the other hand if stuff sucks, there's no use denying it. We'll point it out, and Tux will make changes. Things are going to be in a serious state of flux for a couple of months anyway while rich players load up on rigs and WTFPWN everyone. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.29 05:37:00 - [124] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 05:39:07 Originally by: Mila Prestoc If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to? They've "adapted" by 100-page whine threads in ships&mods. Some of you make it sound like ALL Gallente do is whine; while the rest of the world bravely trudges uphill both ways to school while waist deep in snow in 150-degree heat - AND LIKES IT! Rubbish. Basically, we're all human, we all want an edge, and WE ALL ****, cry, and moan (and ocasionally get drunk while doing it and get forum warnings ) Honestly, if we find that we have as many problems, we will too. Look, guys/ladies: it isn't a matter of what we think. We can present our cases. For now, the stuff is live! Lets get out there and test it. If it isn't as bad as it sounds, I'll be more than happy that I'm wrong. On the other hand if stuff sucks, there's no use denying it. We'll point it out, and Tux will make changes. Things are going to be in a serious state of flux for a couple of months anyway while rich players load up on rigs and WTFPWN everyone. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.29 05:37:00 - [125] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 05:39:07 Originally by: Mila Prestoc If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to? They've "adapted" by 100-page whine threads in ships&mods. Some of you make it sound like ALL Gallente do is whine; while the rest of the world bravely trudges uphill both ways to school while waist deep in snow in 150-degree heat - AND LIKES IT! Rubbish. Basically, we're all human, we all want an edge, and WE ALL ****, cry, and moan (and ocasionally get drunk while doing it and get forum warnings ) Honestly, if we find that we have as many problems, we will too. Look, guys/ladies: it isn't a matter of what we think. We can present our cases. For now, the stuff is live! Lets get out there and test it. If it isn't as bad as it sounds, I'll be more than happy that I'm wrong. On the other hand if stuff sucks, there's no use denying it. We'll point it out, and Tux will make changes. Things are going to be in a serious state of flux for a couple of months anyway while rich players load up on rigs and WTFPWN everyone. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.29 05:37:00 - [126] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 05:39:07 Originally by: Mila Prestoc If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to? They've "adapted" by 100-page whine threads in ships&mods. Some of you make it sound like ALL Gallente do is whine; while the rest of the world bravely trudges uphill both ways to school while waist deep in snow in 150-degree heat - AND LIKES IT! Rubbish. Basically, we're all human, we all want an edge, and WE ALL ****, cry, and moan (and ocasionally get drunk while doing it and get forum warnings ) Honestly, if we find that we have as many problems, we will too. Look, guys/ladies: it isn't a matter of what we think. We can present our cases. For now, the stuff is live! Lets get out there and test it. If it isn't as bad as it sounds, I'll be more than happy that I'm wrong. On the other hand if stuff sucks, there's no use denying it. We'll point it out, and Tux will make changes. Things are going to be in a serious state of flux for a couple of months anyway while rich players load up on rigs and WTFPWN everyone. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?* This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 05:48:00 - [127] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 29/11/2006 05:49:08 Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 05:39:07 Originally by: Mila Prestoc If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to? They've "adapted" by 100-page whine threads in ships&mods. You mean the thing that got no response besides a "we'll look at EANM's and stacking", many other Amarr players just got on and played, working around the problems/weaknesses. I could get together enough people to make a 100 page minmatar whine topic if wanted, numbers != quality. All races have issues, some are designed weaknesses, some are due to lack of player skill, some are imagined by sheep joining in with the flock on these forums, while very few true problems exist. ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 05:48:00 - [128] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 29/11/2006 05:49:08 Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 05:39:07 Originally by: Mila Prestoc If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to? They've "adapted" by 100-page whine threads in ships&mods. You mean the thing that got no response besides a "we'll look at EANM's and stacking", many other Amarr players just got on and played, working around the problems/weaknesses. I could get together enough people to make a 100 page minmatar whine topic if wanted, numbers != quality. All races have issues, some are designed weaknesses, some are due to lack of player skill, some are imagined by sheep joining in with the flock on these forums, while very few true problems exist. ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 05:48:00 - [129] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 29/11/2006 05:49:08 Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 05:39:07 Originally by: Mila Prestoc If a blaster ship runs out of cap then I hate to think what happens to Amarr ships. Or maybe they've adapted instead of trying to fit the same old setups, so why can't Gal's do it to? They've "adapted" by 100-page whine threads in ships&mods. You mean the thing that got no response besides a "we'll look at EANM's and stacking", many other Amarr players just got on and played, working around the problems/weaknesses. I could get together enough people to make a 100 page minmatar whine topic if wanted, numbers != quality. All races have issues, some are designed weaknesses, some are due to lack of player skill, some are imagined by sheep joining in with the flock on these forums, while very few true problems exist. ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:27:00 - [130] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 06:35:05 Originally by: Mila Prestoc You mean the thing that got no response besides a "we'll look at EANM's and stacking", many other Amarr players just got on and played, working around the problems/weaknesses. I could get together enough people to make a 100 page minmatar whine topic if wanted, numbers != quality. Yep! Thanks for demonstrating my point. Some people are going to be happy with what they have. Some people aren't. Some people are going to fight for change, and some people are going to find another way. It doesn't "prove" that nothing is wrong. OTOH, most of what is said doesn't "prove" it either. Now that it is in game, only time will tell. EDIT: I thought I was going somewhere with that. shrug Ohwell... losing my train of thought, too busy looking at the new stuff that is to be seen in Rev. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...

Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:27:00 - [131] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 29/11/2006 06:35:05 Originally by: Mila Prestoc You mean the thing that got no response besides a "we'll look at EANM's and stacking", many other Amarr players just got on and played, working around the problems/weaknesses. I could get together enough people to make a 100 page minmatar whine topic if wanted, numbers != quality. Yep! Thanks for demonstrating my point. Some people are going to be happy with what they have. Some people aren't. Some people are going to fight for change, and some people are going to find another way. It doesn't "prove" that nothing is wrong. OTOH, most of what is said doesn't "prove" it either. Now that it is in game, only time will tell. EDIT: I thought I was going somewhere with that. shrug Ohwell... losing my train of thought, too busy looking at the new stuff that is to be seen in Rev. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:40:00 - [132] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv I thought I was going somewhere with that. shrug Ohwell... losing my train of thought, too busy looking at the new stuff that is to be seen in Rev. I get ya. Biggest thing I took from the OPs post was. "rigs have penalties so I don't use them ones" He then goes and fights ships which I bet are using those exact rigs to tank his damage! He is unwilling to compramise, I guess he's still after that minny speed and agility with gal's damage and tank that everyone wanted when tier 3 bs's were announced... ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 06:40:00 - [133] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv I thought I was going somewhere with that. shrug Ohwell... losing my train of thought, too busy looking at the new stuff that is to be seen in Rev. I get ya. Biggest thing I took from the OPs post was. "rigs have penalties so I don't use them ones" He then goes and fights ships which I bet are using those exact rigs to tank his damage! He is unwilling to compramise, I guess he's still after that minny speed and agility with gal's damage and tank that everyone wanted when tier 3 bs's were announced... ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Rastam3n	Posted - 2006.11.29 07:06:00 - [134] Originally by: Mila Prestoc Saying the Hyperion sucks cos it can't fit the same tank as a Mega is just STUPID. You don't need to fit the same modules because of the new things called RIGS, which allows you to fit 95% of the tank for less fitting, less module slots and less cap. Thats all i'm going to say about that... Am I missing something? Are we now FORCED to use the new thing called RIGS just to make our ships close to useful? Rigs might be available on SISI in unlimited quantities and for free, but I'm sure this will change dramatically on TQ...
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 07:18:00 - [135] Originally by: Rastam3n Originally by: Mila Prestoc Saying the Hyperion sucks cos it can't fit the same tank as a Mega is just STUPID. You don't need to fit the same modules because of the new things called RIGS, which allows you to fit 95% of the tank for less fitting, less module slots and less cap. Thats all i'm going to say about that... Am I missing something? Are we now FORCED to use the new thing called RIGS just to make our ships close to useful? Rigs might be available on SISI in unlimited quantities and for free, but I'm sure this will change dramatically on TQ... Close to useful ? What are you comparing your ships against to come up with them not being useful? Do you mean uber solo machines? Cos for small gangs the damage output of Gal ships will still be.... get this one...... ready?..... USEFUL. The fact these tests were done on the test server where rigs are readily available using a ship + setup without rigs proves what? That tanking ships that use rigs are better than others? ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
SolidDread	Posted - 2006.11.29 09:13:00 - [136] Have you tried fitting some NOSs instead of maximum damage?
Kristoffer Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2006.11.29 09:25:00 - [137] Originally by: SolidDread Have you tried fitting some NOSs instead of maximum damage? And then you have rediciously long fights which aren't at all fun.
infraX Caldari Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.29 09:36:00 - [138] This thread is about the Hyperion if I'm not mistaken, so leave discussions about the Abaddon out of it. Yes the Abaddon is not without its problems and you will see I have acknowledged this in my other posts on the forum. So back to the HYPERION please. As for wanting to fit a dual rep tank with 8 electrons, that's not even the same thing as an Abaddon with 8 tachs and 2 reps so stop talking crap please. The problems with the hyperion and blasters in general were VERY well put by Dave Tehsulei on the other page. Cap and sustainability are the problems in revelations. Yes nos is more powerful than ever but that doesn't mean I want to fit it because it is the latest 'must have' module. I want to use guns. People fitting a rack of nos and winning by default is the lamest form of combat I've seen in a while. Needs to be changed imho.
LukaG	Posted - 2006.11.29 10:05:00 - [139] /signed Lower the effectivness of NOS and the cap usage of blasters.
Red Horseman Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:32:00 - [140] Edited by: Red Horseman on 29/11/2006 11:33:44 Originally by: Rastam3n Am I missing something? Are we now FORCED to use the new thing called RIGS just to make our ships close to useful? Like it or not, rigs are now part of Eve. You might as well ask, "OMG Are we now FORCED to use these things called MODULES just to make our ships close to useful?"

Jin Steele Fatalix Inc. Schism.	Posted - 2006.11.29 11:49:00 - [141] sorry but this is absolute BS. first, a t2 gank hyperion killed my raven in all of 45 seconds or so with the dmg rigs. second, no one else can kill things fast either, and like it has been stated before, TANK OVER GANK! You seem to like the abbadon so much. try running it with a tank and lasers and see how long it lasts, then come make a new thread. Fatalix IS RECRUITING!
Mila Prestoc	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:04:00 - [142] Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 29/11/2006 12:05:51 @ the OP I've read your post again, specifically your setups. They ALL follow one of two trends. You either fit 1x EANM + DC + 3x Mag Stabs or you fit 3x active hards + eanm + dc. You go all one or the other, try setups inbetween this. What's point of being able to tank 1000+ dps if your taking 500 dps, your wasting fitting, slots, cap... When on a Hyperion you can have 95% of the rep amount of other ships dual rep tank while saving a slot, 50% cap, pg and cpu you can increase your damage very nicely. USE RIGS, unless you test against someone who isn't. You can really emphasis the Hyperions tank bonus. Mega is still a good rail ship, Hyperion is THE blastership now. ------------------------- Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:04:00 - [143] Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 29/11/2006 12:15:47 murder, play around with the rigs. Single rep +resists/gank work better than your dual plate setup. hint... 2006.11.29 12:08 Training of the skill Jury Rigging to level 3 has been completed. Sig removed lacks EVE content, email mods@ccpgames.com if you have any questions - Xorus

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