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Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.12 03:08:00 -
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Fraa Bjorn wrote:Callduron wrote:The number used for tax calculations (arguably the floor) for P3 is 70K. Yes, and default is that you pay 10% of those 70k i export tax, isn't it?
If you P0-P3 it right no plant you only play 0.25 isk Import cost witch on my plants thats only 2,000.000 to fill the silo's and that turns into 249 Robotics with Export Tax of 2,241.
The vast majority of the cost is in paying for the P0 Mattes right now at sell order cost no less. Buy orders are always better results. But some times a pain in the ars to get filled. |
Malgro Thunderstone
Boomer Co.
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Posted - 2011.12.13 11:49:00 -
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Makin robotics at 1% tax is still profitable.
Horray for 0.0 |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 12:52:00 -
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No, matter how you cut it. Robotics is very underpriced, and I have in the last 2 days gone in with 4 Bil worth of it.
10* MP = 10k P/u = 100K * 10* CE = 8.2k P/u = 82k *
Robotic sell: 78k - Build cost 182k * + Tax
Its underpiced by 1/3 of what its worth. + you got the new patch, tax system. I dont care if i have to wait 1 year to get 2X+ of what i payed for it, but that i will get it one day.. yes
*Jita 4-4 |
Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:08:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:No, matter how you cut it. Robotics is very underpriced, and I have in the last 2 days gone in with 4 Bil worth of it.
10* MP = 10k P/u = 100K * 10* CE = 8.2k P/u = 82k *
Robotic sell: 78k - Build cost 182k * + Tax
Its underpiced by 1/3 of what its worth. + you got the new patch, tax system. I dont care if i have to wait 1 year to get 2X+ of what i payed for it, but that I will get it one day.. yes
*Jita 4-4
this is all jolly and good, however you get 3 robotics out of the materials you stated, not 1. |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:13:00 -
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Julian Koll wrote:Slavemaster wrote:No, matter how you cut it. Robotics is very underpriced, and I have in the last 2 days gone in with 4 Bil worth of it.
10* MP = 10k P/u = 100K * 10* CE = 8.2k P/u = 82k *
Robotic sell: 78k - Build cost 182k * + Tax
Its underpiced by 1/3 of what its worth. + you got the new patch, tax system. I dont care if i have to wait 1 year to get 2X+ of what i payed for it, but that I will get it one day.. yes
*Jita 4-4 this is all jolly and good, however you get 3 robotics out of the materials you stated, not 1.
hehe, dont be difficult |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:14:00 -
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Slavemaster wrote:Julian Koll wrote:[quote=Slavemaster]No, matter how you cut it. Robotics is very underpriced, and I have in the last 2 days gone in with 4 Bil worth of it.
10* MP = 10k P/u = 100K * 10* CE = 8.2k P/u = 82k *
Robotic sell: 78k - Build cost 182k * + Tax
Its underpiced by 1/3 of what its worth. + you got the new patch, tax system. I dont care if i have to wait 1 year to get 2X+ of what i payed for it, but that I will get it one day.. yes
*Jita 4-4 this is all jolly and good, however you get 3 robotics out of the materials you stated, not 1.
hehe, well....
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
452
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:30:00 -
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Your assumption of 60.67k tariff paid per unit of Robotics is way too high.
First off, nobody exports/imports P0. You always convert to P1 (or P2) before exporting off of the harvest planet. Which reduces your haul volume by 3.94x (P0 to P1) or as much as 16x (120 m3 of P0 to 7.5 m3 of P2). It also helps avoid the tariffs on moving P0 around.
For every unit of P1, they're paying 50-85 ISK/u to bring it to market. If you're buying P1 off the market, you can ignore that export tariff for P1 as it's already baked into the market sell price. Long-term, P1 products will probably stay in the 300-900 price range with an average of maybe 700 ISK/u. Lower then that, and new players in hi-sec won't see it as an interesting income source long-term. When they can make 1.0-1.5M ISK/day per planet in hi-sec, they're very happy. As that drops below 1M/day, they start to let the fields lie fallow and move on to just running missions.
Secondly, you can avoid the P2 import/export tariff entirely by setting up your factory planet to go straight from P1 to P3. If you're producing it yourself, this is a big deal as avoided tariffs means less ISK taken out of your wallet in order to produce the P3. If you're just buying the inputs, then you'll have to look each week/month and decide whether P1->P3 or P2->P3 has a better margin.
(1) unit of Robotics requires (6.667) units of P2 which require (106.7) units of P1 to make. Therefore, the minimum tariff, at 10%, can be as low as: (106.7 * 50) + (106.7 * 25) + 7000 = 15002 ISK/u paid in tariffs per unit of Robotics.
A less efficient setup, where you're exporting P1, doing P2 on its own planet, then making P3 on a third planet:
(106.7 * 50) + (106.7 * 25) + (16 * 900) + (16 * 450) + 7000 = 36602 ISK/u paid in tariffs. |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:38:00 -
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Well... There are the numbers, now the question is how many will change to to pure T1 PI production in Empire |
Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:52:00 -
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As I've said previously on other threads, going P1 -> P3 TENDS to be better, but isn't always so with the new tax system. Bob has, as always, provided the handy maths so you don't need to do it yourself and a nice explanation for it. I would however advise you to check if P1 -> P3 is better than P2 -> P3 every time you go to restock your materials, which would be around once every 1-4 days depending on how you run your systems. |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 13:58:00 -
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One last thing to add... There will be 2 (1-3) days lost in limbo land with the new fuel blocks system while they are in production that we will never get back.
2 days lost of PI, production and Ice products. And if anyone can do the numbers on that. just for the kicks. |
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Alisarina
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:29:00 -
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I don't understand what you mean by loosing 1-2 days in limbo.
Please explain. |
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:02:00 -
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Alisarina wrote:I don't understand what you mean by loosing 1-2 days in limbo.
Please explain.
Before the POS fuel did not need to be in production to be used as fuel.
Ex: I have 10 days of fuel to start with, but to make 10 days of fuel i have to use 1 day production. While the fuel is production I cant use it or sell it.
- The Fuel will be in a limbo land/in production.
If you then take all the fuel in EVE, and add the new added production days, there will always be fuel lost in production. 1-3 days is lost, and we will never get it back |
Tahna Rouspel
BWE Special Forces Rage Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.13 23:27:00 -
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Shar Tegral wrote:
Put your money where your mouth is and just stop whining.
Eating money is not a good idea.
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