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KleinerHai
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.16 18:22:01 -
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Well the result is there and that is all that counts.
74 plexes = 68 BLN ISK = 1000 EUR.
Nice entry.
We are not in and yes I can say the method used is the combination of 2 systems which are not good either of them.
Some very good names are missing and all the effort we have put in participating is lost.
Good job CCP, well done and thanks for the fishes.
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JSSix
CRY.NET Nihilists Social Club
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Posted - 2015.06.16 18:32:05 -
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The Tears.... :3 |
theelusiveyoda
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.06.16 19:46:14 -
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GRRR ITS A CONSPIRACY ALL THOSE ALLIANCES CCP PICKED ARE PANDEMIC LEGION ALT ALLIANCES.
So your complaining you werent picked in a random draw, heres a hint, its RANDOM. I bet CCP put in only alliances that they like, im sure its the system trying to keep you down.
Also how you plan to participate in the alliance tournament while in a npc corp is beyond any reasoning. |
General Vachot
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.06.16 23:31:14 -
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Lucas - yeah fair point I was not meaning that grudge matches were not valid as well.
Quote:To be fair, participation in the AT was never about being good at arena pvp. While most of us enjoy that side of it, seeing some of the grudge matches that spill over from TQ politics can be a lot of fun too.
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Callduron
Bearded BattleBears Brave Collective
621
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Posted - 2015.06.17 06:07:54 -
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PLuminati.
I write http://stabbedup.blogspot.co.uk/
I post on reddit as /u/callduron.
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KleinerHai
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.17 13:46:37 -
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Mr Spaxi wrote:I thought that tears were reserved for carebears, but it seems like PvPers cry as well. You people should be ashamed, if you wanted to be in the AT that desperately you should've farmed enough ISK to bid. #1 You failed to be in top 16 teams last year so you didn't secure any spot; #2 You weren't lucky enough to be drawn; #3 You failed to collect ISK in case all else fails.
Your fault, not CCPs. Stop wasting forum space with your tears.
Ok just to put this straight about tears and whining:
I have 3 accounts on Eve and pay each year 390 EUR for playing this game, for 6 years already. So this makes me a customer of CCP and CCP my "service provider". They provide a game to all players and all players pay the same price, thus the service provided to all players should be the same. I cannot remember having read in the general rules that some players need to pay special price for specific service or access to some parts of the game. I might be wrong and am happy to be pointed to the general conditions showing me this.
The tournament is part of the service provided by CCP and I do not understand why some players :
- either are randomly chosen to stay outside of this part of the game - Need to pay a higher price for the same service
This is not whining or crying, basically it is a complaint to the customer service of CCP.
They do not provide me the service I am paying for and they do not react on their customer complaints adequately, well then it is a pity but they will loose customers. This is not a threat either, it is a logical consequence. Of course Eve has many many aspects and I appreciate most of them but the tournemant has become over the years a motivating factor for me to play this game and if I cannot play that, well then I will not pay for it. I also know that I am not the only one to think this way and it would be a pity to loose those long term players who make a lot of the contents for other players. I specifically think here about the FC's and Team Captains who motivated whole teams over months and weeks and will just sit out and lots of contents being lost.
CCP should be happy to have customers which give them the direct feedback about their service with sound arguments, they know how difficult it is to attract new players and how difficult it is to get lost players back to the game.
If CCP makes rules which do not make sense it is not the players' fault as you just try to point out above so please stop wasting forum space with your vain arguments.
Cheers,
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:43:19 -
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Ignoring the obvious sock-puppet trolling in this, let's go with this argument and hyperbole it from the other end:
KleinerHai wrote:They provide a game to all players and all players pay the same price, thus the service provided to all players should be the same. I cannot remember having read in the general rules that some players need to pay special price for specific service or access to some parts of the game. I might be wrong and am happy to be pointed to the general conditions showing me this.
The tournament is part of the service provided by CCP and I do not understand why some players :
- either are randomly chosen to stay outside of this part of the game - Need to pay a higher price for the same service With that logic, the 19 member alliance you represent simply shouldn't have a team in because that would be providing the service to the least amount of players in the first place. You are not chosen randomly, but a completely utilitarian approach dictates that there are too few of you to even recognise. Maybe if you got better at recruiting this wouldn't be an issue next year? |
KleinerHai
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.17 18:25:22 -
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Lucas Quaan wrote:Ignoring the obvious sock-puppet trolling in this, let's go with this argument and hyperbole it from the other end: KleinerHai wrote:They provide a game to all players and all players pay the same price, thus the service provided to all players should be the same. I cannot remember having read in the general rules that some players need to pay special price for specific service or access to some parts of the game. I might be wrong and am happy to be pointed to the general conditions showing me this.
The tournament is part of the service provided by CCP and I do not understand why some players :
- either are randomly chosen to stay outside of this part of the game - Need to pay a higher price for the same service With that logic, the 19 member alliance you represent simply shouldn't have a team in because that would be providing the service to the least amount of players in the first place. You are not chosen randomly, but a completely utilitarian approach dictates that there are too few of you to even recognise. Maybe if you got better at recruiting this wouldn't be an issue next year?
The 19 member alliance I represent? I do not understand what you mean? I do not represent a 19 member alliance. |
Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
94
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Posted - 2015.06.17 21:37:18 -
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KleinerHai wrote:The 19 member alliance I represent? I do not understand what you mean? I do not represent a 19 member alliance. Well, if you would like to post with your main that is fine too, we are all friends here. |
Mr Spaxi
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2015.06.18 09:56:21 -
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KleinerHai wrote:Mr Spaxi wrote:I thought that tears were reserved for carebears, but it seems like PvPers cry as well. You people should be ashamed, if you wanted to be in the AT that desperately you should've farmed enough ISK to bid. #1 You failed to be in top 16 teams last year so you didn't secure any spot; #2 You weren't lucky enough to be drawn; #3 You failed to collect ISK in case all else fails.
Your fault, not CCPs. Stop wasting forum space with your tears. Ok just to put this straight about tears and whining: I have 3 accounts on Eve and pay each year 390 EUR for playing this game, for 6 years already. So this makes me a customer of CCP and CCP my "service provider". They provide a game to all players and all players pay the same price, thus the service provided to all players should be the same. I cannot remember having read in the general rules that some players need to pay special price for specific service or access to some parts of the game. I might be wrong and am happy to be pointed to the general conditions showing me this. The tournament is part of the service provided by CCP and I do not understand why some players : - either are randomly chosen to stay outside of this part of the game - Need to pay a higher price for the same service This is not whining or crying, basically it is a complaint to the customer service of CCP. They do not provide me the service I am paying for and they do not react on their customer complaints adequately, well then it is a pity but they will loose customers. This is not a threat either, it is a logical consequence. Of course Eve has many many aspects and I appreciate most of them but the tournemant has become over the years a motivating factor for me to play this game and if I cannot play that, well then I will not pay for it. I also know that I am not the only one to think this way and it would be a pity to loose those long term players who make a lot of the contents for other players. I specifically think here about the FC's and Team Captains who motivated whole teams over months and weeks and will just sit out and lots of contents being lost. CCP should be happy to have customers which give them the direct feedback about their service with sound arguments, they know how difficult it is to attract new players and how difficult it is to get lost players back to the game. If CCP makes rules which do not make sense it is not the players' fault as you just try to point out above so please stop wasting forum space with your vain arguments. Cheers,
Using the same logic, is CCP to blame for you not participating in... let's say Capital warfare part of the game because you do not have the SP to use it? CCP gives you the tools to do anything in the game, and you had those tools at your disposal - AT is such a thing, but instead of SP you need to be either a very good team which was ranked 16 or lower in the previous one, you need to have luck (should we all blame CCP for an Officer rat not dropping the module we want because it's chance based?) or at least gather a certain amount of ISK to invest if all else fails. Any alliance that was serious about AT this year did NOT count on the random draw itself. Hell, even the Bastards which got in gathered a couple dozen PLEX to put in silent if random draw fails, of course - the amount of PLEX we would invest is equal to our view of AT value. Nothing wrong about that. You had the time to prepare, you were given THE SAME chance as anyone else to participate. You weren't good enough last year, you weren't lucky and you failed to gather a back-up amount of ISK if your luck fails you. The way entries worked for this year were known ahead, and it's your fault for not preparing accordingly. Those were the rules this year, for the next year CCP might change something. Games and devs evolve and as they do, we the players do as well.
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KleinerHai
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.18 11:08:50 -
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Ok basically you say:
" Those were the rules this year, for the next year CCP might change something."
Show me where these rules were posted and explained. Show me where they told you upfront that only 4 members would be in the silent auction.
Some of you do not get my point apparently:
The system how this is being handled is, was and will be wrong and the result prove it.
For example, fact that an alliance is not in the tournament this year mechanically reduces its chances to be in the next one.
Even if we had put in 100 plexes would still be the same result, only 4 can make it, the rest stays out.
LOTS of players are frustrated that they cannot participate, CCP has to listen to this and change something.
Just have a look at the statistics of active players:55K 18 months ago at its peek, 35K now! The game is constantly LOOSING players which are leaving for various reasons and the just added one, this is a drop of 30%, if it keeps on going, CCP will soon announce staff reduction, less content and eventually shut down the game. 20K average number of players online is not a few!
Cheers,
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mithrandiir min
UK Freedom Fighters -affliction-
1
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Posted - 2015.06.18 11:41:18 -
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Being part of an a team that missed getting into A.T 13 through the random draw. We as a Team had to decide weather to just up and quit after weeks of training or bid for one of the four spots left in the silent auction. While a do agree that the draw was fair I think that ccp could put a system in place that all alliances that enter their names could play in the tournament. They have shown that they're capable of setting up multiple matches at the same time. Put up entry fee up to 10 - 15 plexes to weed out the free loaders. Knocking down 90 teams to 64 wouldn't take to long after you take the seeding teams out while I do believe every alliance have the right to enter you should have the funds for the entry fee I am of the opinion if the entry fee this year was 15 plexes this post wouldn't have been written and my team would have saved 60 plexes |
Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
94
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Posted - 2015.06.18 11:59:32 -
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KleinerHai wrote:Show me where these rules were posted and explained. Show me where they told you upfront that only 4 members would be in the silent auction. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/alliance-tounament-xiii-signups-and-rules/
CCP Logibro wrote:This year there has been a change to how teams are selected. Teams that achieved the top 16 places in Alliance Tournament XII are eligible to buy into the tournament at 5 PLEX. If you wish to use this option, please have your alliance executor enter the random draw as normal and additionally file a support ticket under Community Management indicating they wish to use this option.
The random draw will have 44 slots this year, plus any unused slots from the top 16 teams. These will be drawn on the 9th of June, with the results announced on the 11th of June at 20:00 on the o7 Show live on Twitch.tv. The silent auction this year will only have 4 slots, open only to those teams that were unsuccessful in the random draw. The results of the silent auction will be announced on June 16th. |
KleinerHai
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.18 16:36:02 -
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Lucas Quaan wrote:KleinerHai wrote:Show me where these rules were posted and explained. Show me where they told you upfront that only 4 members would be in the silent auction. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/alliance-tounament-xiii-signups-and-rules/ CCP Logibro wrote:This year there has been a change to how teams are selected. Teams that achieved the top 16 places in Alliance Tournament XII are eligible to buy into the tournament at 5 PLEX. If you wish to use this option, please have your alliance executor enter the random draw as normal and additionally file a support ticket under Community Management indicating they wish to use this option.
The random draw will have 44 slots this year, plus any unused slots from the top 16 teams. These will be drawn on the 9th of June, with the results announced on the 11th of June at 20:00 on the o7 Show live on Twitch.tv. The silent auction this year will only have 4 slots, open only to those teams that were unsuccessful in the random draw. The results of the silent auction will be announced on June 16th.
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