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Danii
CryoTech
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:26:00 -
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I have noticed that when using missiles against NPCs, pretty much 1 missile in every volley is destroyed by an NPC defender missile. This can be seen visully, and is confirmed by the log.
Now, this is pretty "meh" in itself, but as Caldari ships generally use missiles and are used for PvP, I thought this information might be useful when arguing that Caldari ships are underpowered against NPC, and need to be buffed. For example, your missioning Cerb is actally doing about 20% less damage than you thought it was...
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:33:00 -
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You could argue that, yes.
But then you would realise in the fact that missiles are way, way better than turret ships by absolute miles for all kinds of NPCing, even with defenders factored in. Then you'd realise you were bring silly and go back to farming in your Raven/Cerb and laughing at all of the turret BS pilots nearby.
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Perani
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Posted - 2006.11.17 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Perani on 17/11/2006 16:36:21 yeah, how about I load some crystals to change the damage types for my lasers? Make them not suffer tracking problems, etc.
Edit: btw, if you move closer, and use faster missiles, you wouldn't suffer this problem as much, or up your missiles projection skill.
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Tyler Lowe
Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.17 16:52:00 -
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I rarely, if ever see a torp taken out by NPC defenders. I also never see "your siege launcher II glances off of <insert random npc here> doing 0 points of damage". Losses to defenders are pretty minimal when compared to misses, light hits, etc. Missile DPS is lower, but it's a 100% *effective* DPS aside from defenders (before anyone starts yammering about implants and inty pilots and +4000 m/s, stop, I'm talking PVE here). I think you're going to find that aside from a very few hard core Caldari cheerleaders, there is little support for a buff to help Caldari PVE. J.A.F.O.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.17 17:17:00 -
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Actually every NPC has a defender rate. I guess that rate determines how many of your missiles can be shot down under optimal circumstances. Those rates go from 0.1 to 0.4 I think, with most of them being near 0.1. Republic Fleet Tempests being one ship with a 0.4 rating, and while I did not test it extensively, a few samples I did long ago by shooting T1 torps at them at long range suggest that they indeed take out roughly 40% of my torps. But the usual tricks (getting closer, using faster missiles) vastly reduce the actual defender success rate, meaning the ships with high defender rates occasionally shot down one of my Jav torps or cruise missiles, while the ones with low rates might not even bother shooting those defenders at all since they have pretty much no effect (despite the explosions they cause, your missiles still hit). This really does not do much to impede the vast superiority of missiles over turrets in PvE. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Nocturnal Prince
Tech 2 Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:14:00 -
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As a slight hijack:
How come NPC Guristas Ravens have 9 Turret Hardpoints fitted and yet still spam both torps and defenders?
Another reason why torps are better Vs some NPCs is because they take more defender hits to kill, my T2 cruise firing alt is still cursing about that one...
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nocturnal Prince As a slight hijack:
How come NPC Guristas Ravens have 9 Turret Hardpoints fitted and yet still spam both torps and defenders?
Another reason why torps are better Vs some NPCs is because they take more defender hits to kill, my T2 cruise firing alt is still cursing about that one...
NPC's are 'sploters, that's why. did you need more proof tan the fact that they use defender missles and actualy take down a missle?
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:47:00 -
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WTB: Defender System, NPC version. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Altrex Stoppel
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.18 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske WTB: Defender System, NPC version.
QFT! Put two of those 40% ones on a ship and watch Ravens cry...dont we wish.
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Dragon Lord
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Posted - 2006.11.18 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Lord on 18/11/2006 02:35:37 then make super tracking distruptors so guns at best get glancing hits and we are even :) long long pvp duel though lol
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