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Esmelle Fandall
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.16 00:47:00 -
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I'm checking out the Hulk, and I'm wondering how much of an improvement it is over a covetor. A covetor, armed with basic strip miners gives a character with Mining Barge V and Mining V
seems to give 2328 m3/3 minutes
A hulk seems to give 2678 m3/3 minutes with Mining Barge V Exhumer V and Mining V... Is the enormous expense and the extreme time spent training (well, relatively extreme) worth the extra 300 ish m3/3 minutes? Thanks for the help.
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Beryllium
Hash Lords
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Posted - 2006.11.16 00:52:00 -
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I believe the idea behind exhumers is that they have enough resists to tank some fire while in low sec. If you're doing carebear mining, then regular barges are probably the better choice.
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Sara Finn
Amarr
Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.16 00:57:00 -
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If you look at Halada's Guide to Mining (an excellent read, btw), found here:
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He indicates that the Hulk (with fully maxed out skills and utilizing T2 equipment and crystals) mines in excess of 254% of the Covetor. In addition, the above poster is correct that a Hulk can survive mining in low security space, alone. That is something that a Covetor cannot do.
Are they over-priced? Yes. Just as all T2 ships/equipment are. However, if people are willing to buy them ..
Is it worth the price? That's up to you.
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Esmelle Fandall
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.16 01:02:00 -
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I see. Thanks!
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Fliewatuet
Angelus dos Business
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Esmelle Fandall
I'm checking out the Hulk, and I'm wondering how much of an improvement it is over a covetor.
Is the enormous expense and the extreme time spent training
Well, from Exhumer 0 to Exhumer 3 its perhaps 1 or 2 days if you can already fly covetors. And a Hulk has certain advantages apart from the bonus to mining yield. Basically, you only get 3% per exhumer level more. But you also get great resistances and a huge cargo bay.
So, if you can spare the money for it, its worth it.
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Happster
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:18:00 -
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If you really want a Hulk, you should consider that the insurance will only give back 10% of the isk you actually had to pay for the ship.....
A lot of isk down the drain if your ganked :\
But on other side......the ship is awsome 
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JForce
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:09:00 -
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yeah but how good is it considering you can't tank and run the strips constantly? Doesn't it have cap issues?
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Tunajuice
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Posted - 2006.11.16 23:19:00 -
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With good skills you can tank and run a small giist booster 24/7 I believe
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JForce
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.11.17 01:21:00 -
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Is a small giist booster going to give you enough to tank the BS spawns in 0.0?
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JgGravy
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Posted - 2006.11.17 02:34:00 -
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I wouldn't worry about BS spawns in 0.0,  would be my concern.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.17 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sara Finn
If you look at Halada's Guide to Mining (an excellent read, btw), found here:
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He indicates that the Hulk (with fully maxed out skills and utilizing T2 equipment and crystals) mines in excess of 254% of the Covetor. In addition, the above poster is correct that a Hulk can survive mining in low security space, alone. That is something that a Covetor cannot do.
Are they over-priced? Yes. Just as all T2 ships/equipment are. However, if people are willing to buy them ..
Is it worth the price? That's up to you.
His guide has a number of mistakes.
For one, "Strips II w/ T2 Crystal - 75% Bonus to yield", no, that would be a 16% bonus over tech 1.
In addition, the "254%" is comparing a T2-fitted Exhumer with a ship in gang giving bonuses with expensive implants versus a T1-fitted Coveter without mining upgrades.
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Happster
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2006.11.17 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tunajuice
With good skills you can tank and run a small giist booster 24/7 I believe
With god skills you can let the repper and mining lasers run 24/7. And fitted correctly it can also tank a 0.0 BS ratt.....
The ratts arent really your problem......your problem is if your gonna get ganked 
The ship cost about 600M now? with T2 strippers and so.....about 650M.....
If you get killed in it, you get about 40M or so back from insurance....
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Kesslan Osefice
Panther's Paw Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.18 05:54:00 -
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They are worth it though if you have security to protect them. The Hulks on their own can survive long enough just fine if they get hit by rats, and they can take at elast some fire from a PC ship. But utlimately depending on your finances and more importantly your overall income, it might not be worth it simply because you WILL loose ships like that in lowsec and 0.0.
SO waht you really have to ask is can you afford such a loss or not? Covetors are relatively cheap to replace, especially if your corp builds them. And even on the market they run around 22M a pop, where as a Hulk runs about 500M+ right now. It takes alot ot make up the loss of that kind of money.
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Yonos
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Posted - 2006.11.18 08:17:00 -
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yes, gistii a type small sb + shield hardeners are good for tanking 0.0 bs.
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Vivus Mors
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Posted - 2006.11.18 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Vivus Mors on 18/11/2006 18:25:02
quick and dirty math...
a Hulk can fit an extra mining upgrade compared to a Covetor since the Hulk has the CPU to pull it off with ease (Even with MSM2's). so 5% more right there.
then, if you are serious enough about mining to get a hulk to begin with, then you're likely serious enough to train up Exhumers to 5, so that's 15% bonus to yield as well.
so between those two things you're looking at 20.75% more yield than the covetor with identical laser setup.
Now, if you didn't have mining implants in a Covetor and then get them to totally max out the capability of your hulk, then between a Michi's (slot 7)and a Highwall X2 (Slot 10) that's 5% more each for you (10.25% bonus between them). If you want more still and mine in gangs, then you can get Mining Foreman Mindlink implant (slot 10) and get even bigger bonuses for both you and your gang.
tack on Squadron Command 5 on top of that and it gets even better.
Basically, if you have the identical arrangement and configurations of player(s) and fittings on the covetor and hulk, then the hulk's only edge is 15% more bonus from exhumers and 5% from an additional mining upgrade you end up about 20.75% better than a Covetor can be.
However, if you're kind of a basic-setup covetor pilot and then you go for the gold and get all the gang, implant, and extras (if you didn't already have them in the covetor) then your bonus values skyrocket in comparison.
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