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Jack Longo
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Posted - 2006.11.14 23:43:00 -
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Just say that the stab nerf goes live and the logoff in bubble exploit gets fixed (as has been hinted), I guarantee you'll see fewer people in 0.0.
Why? Because for people that like to solo in 0.0, gate camps w/ bubbles aren't exactly fun. Yes, I know, check the map, scout ahead, blah blah blah, but face it, minus the log exploit they are usually impossible to escape for a solo pilot.
Bubbles are not that expensive and they are becoming very common in 0.0. My proposal would be to give them a warp scramble strength of 3 or 4. That plus tacklers/scramblers adding to it would still stop most people, yet, might give those of us that actually enjoy a fair fight a chance to make it through alive. I don't think this is totally unreasonable if stabs are nerfed and the log exploit is fixed.
But I'm sure all of you that like to gate camp and gank solo pilots with zero retaliation will disagree.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.14 23:46:00 -
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I am not looking for a fair fight. I am looking to keep pirates out of my space.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.14 23:50:00 -
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Launching a bubble should give aggression timer just like using scramblers. Otherwise they're just fine.
Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
FFGR
Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.14 23:50:00 -
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How often do you see people alone in a bubble camp ?
You are going into 0.0 alone, wandering off and a group of people kills you ...
I suggest getting some friends and move in groups, it isn't that hard.
I would also suggest stop posting with alts, but noone seems to listen to this advice. _______
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Nira Li
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.14 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: dalman Launching a bubble should give aggression timer just like using scramblers. Otherwise they're just fine.
the man speaks the truth
You Will Cry My Name
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.15 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: dalman Launching a bubble should give aggression timer just like using scramblers. Otherwise they're just fine.
This makes good sense and I can find nothing wrong with it.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.15 00:08:00 -
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If it is too hard for you in 0.0..don't go?
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
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Jack Longo
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Posted - 2006.11.15 00:30:00 -
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Okay, anybody actually have a reason why this is such a bad idea? Or is 'post with your main' and 'get some friends' and 'don't come to 0.0' the only arguments?
As far as 'just looking to keep pirates out of my space'...good point. I can't disagree with that, but wouldn't my suggestion still work for most of the 'pirates'?
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Sovereign533
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.15 00:34:00 -
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why would bubbles be overpowered? it wouldn't change much... warpcore stab had no affect on it anyway...
travel fit : wcs's (for warp scramblers/disruptors), nano's (to be faster and align faster), MWD (to outrun the enemy)...
land in a bubble... scoot out of it... and run like h*ll... either by warping to a planet/safespot and keep warping around, scanning the next gate to see if there is a bubble over there... or run back to the gate, and jump trough... if they have agressed you, they would'nt be able to jump after you...
Originally by: Sovereign533 Time will tell, sooner or later, time will tell...
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
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Posted - 2006.11.15 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: dalman Launching a bubble should give aggression timer just like using scramblers. Otherwise they're just fine.
Nope, becuase with warp to 0kms, the interdictor is the only way to catch someone. If warp to 0km was not being put in, then I would be cool with this - but as it stands, unless you really want to kill any small group pvp action, this act along with insta-warp/docks will make it near impossible to catch anyone.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.15 03:42:00 -
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Translation: Oh noes i can't logoff anymore to save myself proclaiming how much of a ***** i really am!
Seriously i can't wait till this log off bull**** is fixed. It's so infuriating seeing someone log in and out to save his pod and pretty implants. If you get caught in a bubble, whoopty ****in do you lose your ship k? Cause guess what most of us do lose our ships cause we aren't little sackless ****s like you who log in bubbles.
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.11.15 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Longo Just say that the stab nerf goes live and the logoff in bubble exploit gets fixed (as has been hinted), I guarantee you'll see fewer people in 0.0.
Why? Because for people that like to solo in 0.0, gate camps w/ bubbles aren't exactly fun. Yes, I know, check the map, scout ahead, blah blah blah, but face it, minus the log exploit they are usually impossible to escape for a solo pilot.
Bubbles are not that expensive and they are becoming very common in 0.0. My proposal would be to give them a warp scramble strength of 3 or 4. That plus tacklers/scramblers adding to it would still stop most people, yet, might give those of us that actually enjoy a fair fight a chance to make it through alive. I don't think this is totally unreasonable if stabs are nerfed and the log exploit is fixed.
But I'm sure all of you that like to gate camp and gank solo pilots with zero retaliation will disagree.
Keep in mind that betwen W20, HP boosts, speed/agility rigs, and inertial stabs, there'll be more ways to avoid or escape from bubbles than ever before. That probably won't save a solo pilot from a well set-up camp...but then, neither will giving bubbles scramble strengths.
Overall though I'd say that warp bubbles are less overpowered than warp drives in a lot of ways. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.15 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky
Originally by: dalman Launching a bubble should give aggression timer just like using scramblers. Otherwise they're just fine.
Nope, becuase with warp to 0kms, the interdictor is the only way to catch someone. If warp to 0km was not being put in, then I would be cool with this - but as it stands, unless you really want to kill any small group pvp action, this act along with insta-warp/docks will make it near impossible to catch anyone.
As much as I despise WTZ and anything like it, I do still have to point out the incorrectness with this statement. Warp Bubbles will pull you off course WTZing or not.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.15 09:49:00 -
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hmmm
1. about less ppl in .0, well its the space with the high end game content. There where only the good guys should go and not anyone that used to live in jita for 3 days. So its just about getting things right, when i see 4 week old chars in Ravens huntin in .0 i see there must be something totaly wrong here, cause this is like hmpf.
2. Bubbels, well scanner 4tw for some, if u see a dictor u know the deal. Personaly ive been in .0 for ages, and i feel more unsecure in a .4 then in hed. Ive been around soloing in battleships, and ive jumped into bubbels more then once and i always got out of it alive. Its just about how calm u are and that u do the right thing. When u r flying around solo u have to thing about dictors and so on when u fit ur ship, not when u just jumped in it.
In the end kali will make .0 a saver place, cause with 25% more hitpoints there will be less solo ganking, probally. so its just about the experience u have and how good u can handle situation, if u travel afk through .0 ur **** stupid and deserve to die.
And i agree about aggression timer for dictors ;)
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.15 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Longo Just say that the stab nerf goes live and the logoff in bubble exploit gets fixed (as has been hinted), I guarantee you'll see fewer people in 0.0.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.15 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Longo Just say that the stab nerf goes live and the logoff in bubble exploit gets fixed (as has been hinted), I guarantee you'll see fewer people in 0.0.
Why? Because for people that like to solo in 0.0, gate camps w/ bubbles aren't exactly fun. Yes, I know, check the map, scout ahead, blah blah blah, but face it, minus the log exploit they are usually impossible to escape for a solo pilot.
Bubbles are not that expensive and they are becoming very common in 0.0. My proposal would be to give them a warp scramble strength of 3 or 4. That plus tacklers/scramblers adding to it would still stop most people, yet, might give those of us that actually enjoy a fair fight a chance to make it through alive. I don't think this is totally unreasonable if stabs are nerfed and the log exploit is fixed.
But I'm sure all of you that like to gate camp and gank solo pilots with zero retaliation will disagree.
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But seriously, speaking as a career 0.0 hauler, it's all fine as it is. Instas (or WT0), stabs (nerfed or otherwise), sniper BS, inties, bubbles, it all balances out so that those who can camp, and those who can't whine about instas. As as for haulers, those who can avoid gatecamps on a daily basis, those who can't whine about bubbles. ----------
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Kinsy
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.15 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Longo WINE
NO!
MAY THE SWORD OF DAMOCLES DISEMBOWEL YOUR KITTENS!
As a person who experiences that exploit almost daily (and believe the people who do it should have their toes heal 0'd along with their ships) AND the fact that you have warp to 0 now, how exactly else are you supposed to stop people running away? (Or hostile gangs, we find they run away too often too)
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.15 10:29:00 -
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if the logoff gets nerfed then all that will happen is you will find a hell of alot more 1-14 day old chars getting popped.
silly to even bother fixing it if they arent going to remove trial accounts ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own. |
Jack Longo
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Posted - 2006.11.15 12:44:00 -
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For the log exploit bashers, this isn't about that. I'm not a fan of it either and it needs to be fixed.
All I'm saying is that a balanced gate camp WILL stop most people that aren't smart enough to avoid it. The goal is to get more people into 0.0 here and it would be better for everybody. For all of you experts at scooting out of a gatecamp unharmed, this obviously doesn't apply to you.
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Tommy Vercetti
Minmatar A.W.M
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Posted - 2006.11.15 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Longo For the log exploit bashers, this isn't about that. I'm not a fan of it either and it needs to be fixed.
All I'm saying is that a balanced gate camp WILL stop most people that aren't smart enough to avoid it. The goal is to get more people into 0.0 here and it would be better for everybody. For all of you experts at scooting out of a gatecamp unharmed, this obviously doesn't apply to you.
So your answer is to dumb it down so more people can come into 0.0?
How about they educate themselves on ways of avoiding bubbles? Oh noes, that would require actual THINKING.
/Prepares self for barrage of CCP WILL LOSE MONEY IF THIS ISNT DONE posts.
Originally by: Pestillence
It's a game where we fly around in eggs with tubes up our arses. If I want reality I'll go outside.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.15 12:56:00 -
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Then get a small gang and go bust up their camp?
In any case stabs being nerfed makes totally 0 difference to bubble camps and if logoff exploiting is fixed then thats only fair since it pretty much is an exploit. -----
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.15 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Jack Longo Just say that the stab nerf goes live and the logoff in bubble exploit gets fixed (as has been hinted), I guarantee you'll see fewer people in 0.0.
I really don't see a problem with the people who just want to run around with 7 stabs sniping shuttles and carebears who log to save their ships leaving 0.0. There are still thousands upon thousands of players living in 0.0 in big alliances, and they are the ones that drop the best loot :P
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Jack Longo
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Posted - 2006.11.15 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Jack Longo Just say that the stab nerf goes live and the logoff in bubble exploit gets fixed (as has been hinted), I guarantee you'll see fewer people in 0.0.
I really don't see a problem with the people who just want to run around with 7 stabs sniping shuttles and carebears who log to save their ships leaving 0.0. There are still thousands upon thousands of players living in 0.0 in big alliances, and they are the ones that drop the best loot :P
Because I am in favor of both of those tactics, yep, you hit the nail on the head chief.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.11.15 13:28:00 -
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Never go into 0.0 without a scout.
If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the fire!
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2006.11.15 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest Never go into 0.0 without a scout.
If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the fire!
Funny how I'm always sent in the gate first as a scout...
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Nicocat
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.11.15 15:38:00 -
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In a month, I'll have Destroyers 5 and Propulsion Jamming 5. If you honestly think you're going to nerf my new baby BEFORE I even get it, and make me waste all this time in dead-end bull**** skills, I swear to whatever God you believe in I'll come over there and personally forcefeed you your own pets' organs.
(That's a "No, don't nerf bubbles, you *****", by the by) ----------------------------
Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected])
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Keta Min
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.11.15 15:56:00 -
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heard of travel setups? they're invulnerable, bubble or not. all a bubble can do is slow you down so you have to wait a bit if there is no short alternate route. the only thing you can die from is the jump queue.
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migwar
Lawless Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.15 16:03:00 -
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i just wish the map info was more up to date/accurate and id be a happy bunny
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