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Nige007
The Turanic Raiders
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Posted - 2006.11.13 08:59:00 -
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Guys,
I ran into a ship that I just couldn't take down and would like some advice to help me learn.
I was fighting a Rupture which I know from talking to the pilot he had 1600 plate, 2 small NOS, SARII, 1 x Scrambler & 1 x webber (didn't find out the setup till after encounter 1). I'm not aware of any more of his fittings though. I had 3 encounters with the same pilot in different ships. All encounters were within 7.5km distance Details as follows:
Encounter 1:
Ishkur
High: 2x 75mm Rail II, 2 x small Nos Mid: 1 x ABII, 1 x scrambler, 1 x Web Low: 1 x SARII, 1 x explosion hardner, 1 x 200mm plate Drones: 5 x Hobgoblin II
I got owned and pretty quickly and ransomed. My small guns would have never got through the plate but I wasn't aware of the plate at this point. (this setup I picked up from the forums as people were boasting how fantastic it was - I've had 3 fights and 3 losses with it)
Encounter 2:
Celestis:
High: 3 x Electron Blaster, 1 x Mid NOS Mid: 1 x MWD, 1 x Scrambler, 3 x multi spec Jammers Low: 1 x SARII, 1 x Damage control, (cant remeber last fitting)
Drones: 3 x Hammerhead II, 2 x Hobgoblin
My plan was to jam and slowly eat away at his ship. Sadly I only jammed on once cycle and again he got me and pretty quickly. Loss of ship!
Encounter 3:
Thorax
High: 3 x Mid NOS, 2 x Small NOS Mid: 1 x MWD, 2 x Warp Disruptors Low: 1 x MAR, 2 x 400mm Plate, 1 x Damage control, 1 x PDU
Drones: 2 x Hammerhead II, 2 x Hammerhead, 1 x Warrior
My plan was to get at about 9km away from him to avoid his NOS & scrambler and to get my MID NOS on him and have my drones do the damage. The fight started at around 3km away and I never got further than 6.5km away. Once again I suffered a lost ship.
Please can someone advise me what I should have done to combat this pilots setup. Also comments on my setups would be nice and which you thought of the 3 would have worked the best in this situation.
Thanks for all input
Nige
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/11/2006 09:07:29 Thorax with 5 nos and no guns vs a plated rupture which even has nos of his own to keep the tackler gear running.... ok.
Suggestion: Mount guns.
By the way, if this is a joke post, I fell for it... --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:13:00 -
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I fell over the "no gun" trick too - can't beat a heavy "passive" tank fast without guns...
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Rania Serlia
TetraMorph Nexus Inc. The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:14:00 -
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Might I suggest fitting guns to your rax?
A small neutron blaster+1600mm plated setup of your own with medium drones should do pretty well.
Or a 1600mm plated vampvexor, really.
Rupture is weak on cap, but doesn't need any to run the weapons it fits, and a 1600mm passive plated setup doesn't even usually need to use it's rep before whatever it engages(T1 cruiser) is destroyed.
I say this having gotten 6 kills in a 1600mm plated dual 180mm autorupture today.
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Enmel
Minmatar Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:20:00 -
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Unforunately you are going to have difficulty with a properly setup Rupture. They rock.
Try fitting 5xElectron Blaster Web, Scram, Cap Injector (400s) Mar2, 800mmPlate, Exp, Therm, Kin hardeners.
If that fits easily, go up a level to ions Use antimatter, but use explosive drones on his armour. Should help a little.
If he's an experienced ruppy pilot, he'll be using t2 ac, and he'll be likely using barrage, maybe hail. So you need that explosive hardener, even if he's using EMP he'll still be doing explosive damage, which'll rip you a new one if you are armour tanking. Hope that helps. Chances are he'll just have the plate and no hardeners, so that should give you the opportunity to outdamage him.
Thorax Vs Rupture should always be close if pilot skill is close.
You want to keep him in range so you are doing damage. Acs will always outrange you. But seeing as he seems to be using acs, you should let him waste his cap to get close to you, use the injector carefully, and you should keep you cap up, letting you run the rep and the hardeners permanently and run your guns. Don't forget, his guns don't use cap. Yours do. So you need cap, he doesn't.
Bit messy, but I hope that helps.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:24:00 -
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I feel compelled to post this graph as well. Now, at what range do you want to fight the rupture you think?
Also notice that thorax is using null here. If you get really close, switch to void and get uber damage. Your only problem is getting close. If you manage to web him, you should win if you are competent.
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Ishana
Minmatar The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:45:00 -
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I personally do some fighting in a 1600mm 220mm setup. (i don't use nos, but if i did it would have to be 180mm's) It's also completely passive tanked. (no repper) and I use hail as ammo vs other armor tankers.
Attacking something like this you don't go for it's cap, you have to outdamage/tank it. I would suggest using med blasters on your thorax, and a plate of your own. Use kinetic + explosive hardeners, since EMP and Hail both have lots of this damage. _________________________________________________________
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Nazgu'l
Gallente Deviance Inc SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:19:00 -
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Thorax
High: 3 x Mid NOS, 2 x Small NOS Mid: 1 x MWD, 2 x Warp Disruptors Low: 1 x MAR, 2 x 400mm Plate, 1 x Damage control, 1 x PDU
Is this a joke? 1st of all, why not a single turret? 2nd why 2x400mm plate?
You had huuuge advantage, knowing his setup. You knew he has 1600mm plate and small guns, why the heck you didnt do the same thing? Get 1600mm rolled tungsten plate, 5 small neutrons T2 with void if possible, usual tackling in mid slots, and in low slots 1 Med repepr T2 (or best T1) explosive hardener and damage control. You can use T2 drones, they will add aditional DPS.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:23:00 -
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There is no way a Thorax will ever win this fight if the Rupture pilot is good enough. It's the same old Minmatar/Gallente matchup - Minmatar use their speed and falloff to out-range the opponent while slowly chipping away at their armour.
Finally, your thorax setup sucked. You need guns with range and explosive hardeners - fitting plates and giving yourself only 20% explosive resistance will get you killed instantly as it's the primary damage output of the Rupture.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:37:00 -
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hard to beat tbh, the ships u brought where kind of wrong, the clestis should have had racial jams, the thorax electrons with max hp, but even then iam not too sure if u had too much of a chance against a rupture cause its kind of an ugly thing.
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Sunshang
Amarr Corp Robs Other Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.13 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/11/2006 09:07:29 Thorax with 5 nos and no guns vs a plated rupture which even has nos of his own to keep the tackler gear running.... ok.
Suggestion: Mount guns.
Ive tried that before, it does actually work
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Riddick06
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sunshang
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/11/2006 09:07:29 Thorax with 5 nos and no guns vs a plated rupture which even has nos of his own to keep the tackler gear running.... ok.
Suggestion: Mount guns.
Ive tried that before, it does actually work
whats wrong with just using a vexor it gets a bonus to drones
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Nige007
The Turanic Raiders
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Posted - 2006.11.13 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nige007 on 13/11/2006 11:19:20 To clear a few things up.
The celestis only had multi spec jammers as that was all I had available to me, otherwise I would have fitted racial jammers.
The Thorax setup seemed a good idea in my mind if i could get to around 9km.
To be honest i did think the setup was odd adnd was expecting puzzled looks at that setup. To be honest I just setup with what i had available to me and through past experiences the NOS Thorax tends to work well.
I overlooked the fact projectiles dont use cap (I dont use projectiles so it didn't register) but the thing I should have picked up on was the explosive damage - now that was dumb. I should have had a hardner to combat this at the very least.
Thanks for the constructive comment to those who have left them. And cheers for the non constructive comments, it helps keep me in my place as a PVP noob.
Nige
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Slevin Kalebra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:14:00 -
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I don't have any experience with a Rupture or any of the Gallente ships mentioned, but I was wondering if fitting a rack of blasters and a tracking disruptor would help? Get in close and he shouldn't be able to hit you much. You might need a cap booster to counter the nos if you stay close though.
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DarkElf
Caldari Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Slevin Kalebra I don't have any experience with a Rupture or any of the Gallente ships mentioned, but I was wondering if fitting a rack of blasters and a tracking disruptor would help? Get in close and he shouldn't be able to hit you much. You might need a cap booster to counter the nos if you stay close though.
ok ignore that cos his autos will have no trouble what so ever hitting u no matter how close u get, in fact for him the closer the better. as suggested before, fit 4 neutron II's with void ammo and a medium nos, 1600 rolled tungsten plate and whatever else on the lows, cross between eanm II's and reactives. 5 hammie II helps a lot or if u wanna be mean go with 5 medium ecm drones. this will beat the rupture most of the time. going down the nos/cap root won't work as his plate and probably passive tank holds and guns fire with no cap so won't help ya much.
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Lt Chang
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:01:00 -
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wrong fitting on the celesits try Sensor Dampners not ECM...
Thorax, passive tank + Ions with ECM drones and dont forget the Nos
Standard set ups for Brutix or Thorax would work.
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LordofthePings
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: LordofthePings on 13/11/2006 16:12:45 5x heavy neutrons II MWD, scram, web Damage control, 3 damage mods and last lowslot i'll leave up to you.
5x medium ECM vespa drones
You only need to jam him for one cycle which is an easy feat considering the low sensor strength. 5x neutrons with damage mods will eat his armor in seconds
Ship is Thorax of course. And screw plates, get drones out ASAP jam him once and he's dead. Should you fail first jam the DC will keep you alive into hull by which time you will have jammed him 90% of the time.
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Intigo
Amarr Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:28:00 -
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I was pretty lucky vs your Celestis to only be jammed once too, Nige. Last fit on the Celestis was a 400mm plate, btw. I think with Sensor Dampeners and just staying ~15km away from me you could have won it pretty easily - that's what most Celestis pilots do, I think.
10 hours for T2 guns to finish training, woot!
The Thorax fittings ignoring NOS seem like a good idea - with decent guns + T2 Hammerheads you should severely outdamage me and win it fairly easily (although, once I get T2 ACs I could just jump in a Stabber and orbit at 14km with Barrage M ;)).
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:33:00 -
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Get those t2 guns, yeah. Barrage is basicly a must. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Father Weebles
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:51:00 -
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I had an ecounter with a tech2 fitted rupture the other day.
Mysetup was 5 Electron IIs w/Null MWD/Scram/Cap booster(webber drones) MAR II, Dmg Control, EANM II, Mag Stab II x2
my explsoive resists were around 35% if i remember correctly, not really good going against a rupture. Thing is I got through about 30% of its armor before I popped. In this fight i didnt need the cap booster as my cap was pretty good in the fight. I dont know ifmy shots werent hitting but he was within 4000m in most of the fight.
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