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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
I don't like login traps, so I will respond with similar tactics if confronted with them.
Ok so we are now officially accused of login traps? Like GM hax, node crashes, etc?
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 19:43:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Dhan LOL - Pwned BoB.
Failed propaganda attempt...
Originally by: DrSIn *sighs*
like bob dont do it.
Bob freighter logging off
Jeez WTF are you guys on about. One pilot in BOB logged off, and I'm pretty certain that the leaders of the allience were not all that happy about it.
Finding one example in a group of a thousand players is nothing special to be honest. Heck I know BE had a screen of a Surpm member logging off to save his ship, and even though we had kicked him mounths before they still made a 7 page thread about it, heck it even came up a couple weeks ago again, since some people like to procliam thier unfounded moral superiority.
One pilot is not indicative of an entire allience
I put that in bold for the clueless, who prob won't get it anyways, but at least maybe will read it.
What is rather unnerving is the order, from a suprerior to log off ships to save them. That my friends is a lot differant then pulling a random screen shot of a single pilot doing it, and if you can't figure out why by your self I do feel a little sorry for you.
Actually, while it may seem that the FC gave the order, I had already decided (and mentioned in chat) that I would be logging off. That was apparently before the spy was recording, or he choose to conveniently forget to include this part, I don't know. The FC is talking about it because I informed him of my intentions, but he did not give the order. As far as I know it was even his first 'freighter op' as an FC.
I don't like login traps, so I will respond with similar tactics if confronted with them.
Neither do we ^^
But... youve already made up your mind about this indicent even though you just sound like you havnt got a clue suggest you re read Farjungs and Rod's posts again and maybe you might get it.
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Mallick
Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.12 19:55:00 -
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Quote: One pilot is not indicative of an entire allience
Exactly. So wtf is the point of this thread again? Support POS Overhaul - Read it NOW! |
LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 19:59:00 -
[94]
Edited by: LUKEC on 12/11/2006 20:23:44 Edited by: LUKEC on 12/11/2006 19:58:56
Originally by: Mallick
Quote: One pilot is not indicative of an entire allience
Exactly. So wtf is the point of this thread again?
Check my bio to hear their most prominent FC(according to cyvok) shouting CTRL + Q everyone
There is a difference. ----------------------------------------------- KALdarI WILL SAVE US ALL...
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NeoTech
Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.12 20:40:00 -
[95]
Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 12/11/2006 20:23:44 Edited by: LUKEC on 12/11/2006 19:58:56
Originally by: Mallick
Quote: One pilot is not indicative of an entire allience
Exactly. So wtf is the point of this thread again?
Check my bio to hear their most prominent FC(according to cyvok) shouting CTRL + Q everyone
There is a difference.
but but... that wasn't the reason for starting this thread?.. Did u just spamm this so u could get another opportunity to get a little more milk out of an already drained cow?. ehm... YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.12 20:44:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Kryztal
Neither do we ^^
But... youve already made up your mind about this indicent even though you just sound like you havnt got a clue suggest you re read Farjungs and Rod's posts again and maybe you might get it.
I'm sorry Kryztal.
Before this war I would have believed you probably.
But I've seen the lame stuff. The eagle logging out at the gate in GQ2 after jumping through, the convo spam against myself in TCAG to pop me. I saw a lot of BoB come online as my freighter went into warp in O4T. We have people in this thread saying BoB logged off freighters as well in the past, and they are not part of this conflict.
I have been on the frontline on my main and various alts for hundreds of hours already. Lost 6 battleships (got 4 reimbursed though). Seen more POSses and gatecamps than I care for.
And I am not saying all of BoB are cheaters, but you have your fair share of them, just like everybody else undoubtedly. Nira Li in this very thread admits you've logged off freighters, what more do you want for proof that you're no better than anyone else.
But I guess you know everyone in BoB, and none of them would do anything bad, ever, right...... You're claiming the high ground, when there is absolutely no ground for it.
And in closing, let's just say my experience and your opinions don't match, and I'm a bit more inclined to believe my personal experience than your claims.
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 20:44:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Ab Initio on 12/11/2006 20:55:19
Originally by: Mallick
Quote: One pilot is not indicative of an entire allience
Exactly. So wtf is the point of this thread again?
The difference is whether you consider an FCs MO indicative of the command structure he is part of, or just his own. Each time a new recording of this that we come across, the more it seems to be a command decision passed down through FCs.
For the record, I was present when BoB lost their last freighter. Had ASCN spies been listening to our TS at the time, they would have heard target calling till there was no one left to fight. No command to log the freighter.
Also for the record, our last freighter was killed using the EXACT same technique as described in this thread (hiding in a system off of the main route). We copped it on the chin without accusing anyone of login traps or any other rubbish.
EDIT: As a note, I don't believe this thread should have been created. I understand the frustration that lead to its posting, but I could care less whether ASCN things we exploit or not. I take it as a complement that ASCN can only explain our level of ability away be using words like exploits and hacks.
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Sun Ra
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.12 20:51:00 -
[98]
Originally by: DrSIn *sighs*
like bob dont do it.
Bob freighter logging off
lollolololollool
Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas' |
Mallick
Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.12 21:14:00 -
[99]
Okay, lets try another approach. Two pilots is not indicative of an entire allience. Support POS Overhaul - Read it NOW! |
Banrion
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.11.12 21:17:00 -
[100]
BoB Ctrl-Q'd their way through a bubble camp in Y9G two or so months back, admitted to it in local too. It was not just one pilot either. So why cry about it now?
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Voltron
Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.12 21:26:00 -
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I have no idea why this thread is 4 pages, Dr. Sin won it on page one tbfh.
Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
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CamMan
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 21:27:00 -
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I thought i would clarify some terms that people seem to throw around quite often, yet it seems that they have no idea what they actually mean.
TS SPIES
"TS spies refer to people that hack into the TS server and passively listen in with out the peoples knowledge."
what actually happened BoB does no do this, BoB has spies inside the alliance, who are often part of these gangs, and if they are part of the gangs they are told to be on TS with the FC. So whilst it is technically a BoB spy, and yes he is on TS, he is on there with the full knowledge of everyone else on TS, and hence is not a "TS spy", he is just a spy that is on the alliances TS as per the request of the FC.
LOG ON TRAP
"This is when a large group log out at a specific point so they can login and catch someone unawares. Typically this is done on an inbound gate to a system, as if it is done on an outbound the trap will be too slow."
what actually happened BoB do not do this, this specific gang returned form a roaming op through estoria and feyth, they then paused on the 04T gate thinking the freighter may go that way. When a scout in R-A said they werent warping to the 04T gate the gang jumped in and chased thye freither escort. Notice the sever lack of firepower, and almost all people are in a support class ship (except for Cabyn, but he is special that is why he is leading our killboard).
Now if you have read these definitions and you still believe that BoB uses cheating tactics and GM exploits, fill free to flame away, at least you will use them with the correct intent.
Cheers Cam
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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DrSIn
Amarr In The Face Productions
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Posted - 2006.11.12 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Voltron I have no idea why this thread is 4 pages, Dr. Sin won it on page one tbfh.
Volt
QFT but it crashed man it crashed honest
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Hey You
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.12 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
I don't like login traps, so I will respond with similar tactics if confronted with them.
only one thing i don't get... your own member just realized and admitted it wasn't a log on trap and yet you are insisting it was... even after it was explained in detailes how your scouts failed to do a their job by Farjung...
makes me wonder how much more funny stuff ascn can provide...
To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:08:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Malachon Draco
I don't like login traps, so I will respond with similar tactics if confronted with them.
only one thing i don't get... your own member just realized and admitted it wasn't a log on trap and yet you are insisting it was... even after it was explained in detailes how your scouts failed to do a their job by Farjung...
makes me wonder how much more funny stuff ascn can provide...
I love Gob and he is the best FC I know, but he wasn't there. I was.
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Farjung
Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Malachon Draco
I don't like login traps, so I will respond with similar tactics if confronted with them.
only one thing i don't get... your own member just realized and admitted it wasn't a log on trap and yet you are insisting it was... even after it was explained in detailes how your scouts failed to do a their job by Farjung...
makes me wonder how much more funny stuff ascn can provide...
I love Gob and he is the best FC I know, but he wasn't there. I was.
I'll repeat again:
Did you send a scout to check LG-WA9? (no)
Did you see us arrive at the R-ARKN gate in jump range? (yes)
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:16:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Farjung
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Malachon Draco
I don't like login traps, so I will respond with similar tactics if confronted with them.
only one thing i don't get... your own member just realized and admitted it wasn't a log on trap and yet you are insisting it was... even after it was explained in detailes how your scouts failed to do a their job by Farjung...
makes me wonder how much more funny stuff ascn can provide...
I love Gob and he is the best FC I know, but he wasn't there. I was.
I'll repeat again:
Did you send a scout to check LG-WA9? (no)
Did you see us arrive at the R-ARKN gate in jump range? (yes)
1. No
2. I was in the freighter, I arrived a lot later, you were all over the place.
3. I saw lots of BoB login as I entered warp.
I was in the escort gang for the freighter gang that got hit by that AAA login trap some months ago, I know what it looks like when people do a login trap.
At least AAA have the 'decency' to admit it, why don't you? Its not like its an exploit according to CCP.
Also note that the whine from the OP is doubly rediculous if you take into account that BoB indeed has itself logged off freighters in the past, as admitted by a BoB member in this very thread.
Really, need I say more?
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Farjung
Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:26:00 -
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Ok, being in the freighter you arrived later than your escort, so you can't actually have a clear picture of what happened at the gate before you got there. Ask one of your escort party if we all warped in from the same direction and landed on the gate in jump range. (yes)
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Nira Li
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:26:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Farjung
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Malachon Draco
I don't like login traps, so I will respond with similar tactics if confronted with them.
only one thing i don't get... your own member just realized and admitted it wasn't a log on trap and yet you are insisting it was... even after it was explained in detailes how your scouts failed to do a their job by Farjung...
makes me wonder how much more funny stuff ascn can provide...
I love Gob and he is the best FC I know, but he wasn't there. I was.
I'll repeat again:
Did you send a scout to check LG-WA9? (no)
Did you see us arrive at the R-ARKN gate in jump range? (yes)
1. No
2. I was in the freighter, I arrived a lot later, you were all over the place.
3. I saw lots of BoB login as I entered warp.
I was in the escort gang for the freighter gang that got hit by that AAA login trap some months ago, I know what it looks like when people do a login trap.
At least AAA have the 'decency' to admit it, why don't you? Its not like its an exploit according to CCP.
Also note that the whine from the OP is doubly rediculous if you take into account that BoB indeed has itself logged off freighters in the past, as admitted by a BoB member in this very thread.
Really, need I say more?
Dude just because you lie it's doesn't become any more real and lying to your friends aswell
You should really get a reallity check of what's happening when you play or you will endup mining when you think you are killing molles avatar with a noob ship.
You Will Cry My Name
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Caybn E'vangel
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
At least AAA have the 'decency' to admit it, why don't you? Its not like its an exploit according to CCP.
Because we did'nt. I was leading that fleet. We jumped in from LG- and came in on insta to the R-A gate at the same time as your support gang (a bit ahead of the freighters slow warp). You logged off, and we decimated your entire escort fleet for only 2 support losses.
On a side note, the fact that it was so well executed that your saying it could only be a login trap I'm taking as a compliment, so, thx.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:32:00 -
[111]
My my, the forum warrior squad is back in full force I see. Can't let anyone tarnish your reputation with facts, can you.
And still not replying to why you're whining about a logoff when BoB freighters are doing the same, as admitted by your own people here. Don't bother with replying to that though, we all know the answer.
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:34:00 -
[112]
Edited by: Kryztal on 12/11/2006 22:35:53
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Farjung
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Malachon Draco
I don't like login traps, so I will respond with similar tactics if confronted with them.
only one thing i don't get... your own member just realized and admitted it wasn't a log on trap and yet you are insisting it was... even after it was explained in detailes how your scouts failed to do a their job by Farjung...
makes me wonder how much more funny stuff ascn can provide...
I love Gob and he is the best FC I know, but he wasn't there. I was.
I'll repeat again:
Did you send a scout to check LG-WA9? (no)
Did you see us arrive at the R-ARKN gate in jump range? (yes)
1. No
2. I was in the freighter, I arrived a lot later, you were all over the place.
3. I saw lots of BoB login as I entered warp.
I was in the escort gang for the freighter gang that got hit by that AAA login trap some months ago, I know what it looks like when people do a login trap.
At least AAA have the 'decency' to admit it, why don't you? Its not like its an exploit according to CCP.
Also note that the whine from the OP is doubly rediculous if you take into account that BoB indeed has itself logged off freighters in the past, as admitted by a BoB member in this very thread.
Really, need I say more?
Sad
Youve just admited that you have no idea what happened and no proof other then some People in your address book logged on.
1) you didnt scout the system our pilots were in (you admit) 2) you werent on the gate so you have no idea what went on at the gate (You admit) 3) People logged on and you claim that was our pilots on the gate you arrived at who jumped in right after you. (You have no proof of that nor have you named names that popped up on your screen and how could you verify that were those pilots in that system? )
Ok you have been in a login trap by AAA, they are known for doing one but that does not make you an expert on what went on. Our members were waiting in a system you didnt check, they jumped in and insta'd to the gate to be sure to catch you. Poor escort and not enough scout coverege and you blaim us for using a lame tactic that we honestly didnt need due to your own mistakes. Next time read the map before jumping to conclusions. What weve done in the past has nothing to do with you accusing us of pulling a login trap. If a freighter pilot for BoB has logged off hes lame and should be spanked, I have no problems admitting my opinion on that. But tbh the issue here isnt the "omg they logged off a freighter" its more the "omg we are so uber they had to be using an exploit/lame tactic"
Now how about, giving the login trap accusations a rest and admit that you could have done a bit better and make sure you do better next time ? Im not saying you openly have to do it on these forums, just give it a rest and learn from it, putting blame on others teaches you nothing for when it happens again.
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Nira Li
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco My my, the forum warrior squad is back in full force I see. Can't let anyone tarnish your reputation with facts, can you.
And still not replying to why you're whining about a logoff when BoB freighters are doing the same, as admitted by your own people here. Don't bother with replying to that though, we all know the answer.
heh so mabye he logged I don't care and I have never cared. this post was un-needed but can I help that someone in my alliance posted it? No.
What I am arguing about is you and your lies. I don't get why you guys need to lie at all. Are you seriouslly that stupid that you actully belive what you are saying?
I'm might be a forum warrior in your eyes because I wear the BoB tag, well so be it. Atleast I know I don't have to lie to my friends or anyone else to make up for my incompitence.
You Will Cry My Name
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ab Initio on 12/11/2006 22:40:07
Originally by: Malachon Draco At least AAA have the 'decency' to admit it, why don't you? Its not like its an exploit according to CCP.
Because it IS an exploit by our standards, even if it isn't by yours. We find it reprehensible.
Interesting that it's you making the claims that it was a login trap, while the next line you note that you were the last one in, and that they were already fighting when you arrived.
I would suggest having some of your Mercs FC for you moving forward. They're currently being under utilized sitting in empty systems, while they could be leading your fleets and explaining what is actually happening during your fights.
EDIT: God **** you guys are fast.. :)
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:40:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Malachon Draco on 12/11/2006 22:41:13
Originally by: Kryztal If a freighter pilot for BoB has logged off hes lame and should be spanked, I have no problems admitting my opinion on that. But there are crashes and accidents and pure panic and tbh the issue here isnt the "omg they logged off a freighter" its more the "omg we are so uber they had to be using an exploit/lame tactic"
1. First of all, I didn't start this thread, you started the whining. Note the allegiance of the OP. [Edit: I wasn't gonna post a thread either, but if you come with rediculous threads like this to polish your own E-Peen as you so often do, you force me to respond].
2. So now we've gone from BoB 'Never logging off' to 'Well if BoB pilots logoff they should be spanked'. Thanks for at least admitting that, I guess.
I think the conclusion of this thread is pretty clear.
BoB starts whining about a tactic they have themselves used in the past and it takes a lot of time and people confirming that indeed BoB does lame stuff like that before you admit it.
Good enough for me, I'm done proving my point.
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug So first ATUK stole my idea with tracking disruptors on all damage dealer ships. Then stealing idea with login trap.
Use your imagination, there are still loads of tricks to perform
G fleets had them loooooooong way back, i think before you
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Nira Li
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 23:00:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Fuglife Just a question, is accessing someone elses teamspeak against some sort of cyber law? Like hacking or something?
Of course not. They were given access by ASCN themselves.
Nor is spying on someone elses TS an out of game attack either. In order for that arguement to work you have to consider TS its self an out of game thing. So both sides are metagaming if you want to look at listening to TS as an out of game attack.
What I do find surprising is that someone has the gall to order frieghters to log off, then complain about a log on trap. How low can you stoop?
As low as you apparently Lorth. I see your standing up for your masters again. Try to come up with your own opinion instead of BOB's next time.
So because some ppl in bob have that opinon it's wrong? Nice to see that we have such an impact at this game
You Will Cry My Name
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Spaja Saist
Gallente Knights of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.11.12 23:03:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Robet Katrix to be fair to both sides, peoplke have been logging freighters off in 0.0 at gates for years. it has been the only way to effectively protect them.
Nah you just escort them, with a good escort and you shouldn't have any problems. I don't know the numbers, but I would bet lots of isk the BOB have run numourous frieghters through 0.0 while this war has been going on, and not had to log of any of them.
But I'm I the only one who has picked up on the hypocricy of ordering your own pilots to log off, then complaining about your opponents doing a log on trap?
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And what's this based on? You have a "feeling" that they never log off. If you have no proof then your words mean nothing. That and you're a bob slave as well.
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Spaja Saist
Gallente Knights of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.11.12 23:06:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Malachon Draco I didn't start it, and that is enough justification for me. But if BoB fights dirty, and we have plenty of proof of that, then be prepared to be paid back in kind. And the same goes for the lies you spew about our members and our leaders.
Good. Bring the proof.
Show me where we exploited even one single time and we can talk. Show me where we lied about your leadership. Come up with one single example of BoB being "lame" apart from the TS spying that we in all honesty could discuss to kingdom come but which imo can only be seen as fair part of the gameplay.
Come on. Bring it. Don't be as lame and childish as the Cyvok's and Mccreedies of this world that will spout their nonsense "in private" to cover up the fact that they've been one single constant failure since this war began. And especially don't be another of those tinfoil hat fanboys spouting crap without ever, EVER, backing their **** up ingame or with any form of proof.
As long as we are kicking the crap out of your petty paperweight alliance on a day to day basis you can spout excuses and unfounded accusations as much as you want, but you'll only be making your own future worse by doing it.
You poor gullible nubs. This war is still not even half of what we could handle. We are slowly but surely removing your alliance from it's claimed space and we're doing it with one finger in our nose.
Instead of repeating the delusions spouted by some of the biggest wartime leadership disappointments in Eve history, I suggest you come out and do something about that.
Your use of TS spies is the only reason you are winning. It's easy to win when you know where the enemies fleets are and what they are up to. Too bad you guys can't win without your spies. One of many reason I can't stand BOB. That and all the childish members you have.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 23:07:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Spaja Saist That and you're a bob slave as well.
EDF makes brains fry. Buy tin foil hats now... ----------------------------------------------- KALdarI WILL SAVE US ALL...
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