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JR Miner
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Posted - 2006.11.08 11:13:00 -
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Dear all Programmer's and GM's
i'm playing eve online for 2 months now and i realy like the game play and player in eve.
but thare are alot of 3e programme users in the game,thy are mining all the ore in the belt and use the isk thy make out off it for selling on e-bay.
this is making the game less fun for ather (Good) players. i whas even thinking of stop playing becorse of it.
i hoop thare is some way to stop the use off this programme's and the selling off isk on E-bay.
Thx JR (sorry if i'm post at the the rong place)
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Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 11:20:00 -
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What is 3e? I'm a programmer and I've never heard of it.
However, don't go jumping to conclusions and go making assumptions about everyone. I mine out a belt a day. I do it in a couple of barges and I DON'T, nor never would sell anything from in-game on EBay.
Not everyone who is a macroer is a miner. Not every miner is a macroer. Not every miner sells on EBay.
Just because I specialize in mining and I've spent a LOT of time training up (and paying for) two accounts to speed my mining abilities, doesn't make me an ISK selling Macro using Farmer.
Find another brush to go painting people with, This one's just about run out of bristles.
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Gralg Merglen
Minmatar Fusion Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:06:00 -
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we've been having quite a few troubles with Macroers in Hurtoken/Hampinen/Abagawa recently. its pretty obvious too because when they talk in local it it just broken English gibberish, not even coherent sentences but random English phrases. as well as that we hit one of the 'puppet masters' yesterday and the instant he was podded all the other macroers in his little gang stopped. Tis like killing a hive mind!
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Krav
Egad Inc. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Gralg Merglen Tis like killing a hive mind!
We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
Krav btw lol that story of yours is really funny! =====
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JR Miner
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Posted - 2006.11.08 21:13:00 -
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3e programme users are users that are using a ather programme than the eve programme.
most off the time that will give you a better position in the game than a normaal player.
and it is not allouwed look at rules http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/banning.asp
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Fivo Asia
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Posted - 2006.11.08 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Gralg Merglen we've been having quite a few troubles with Macroers in Hurtoken/Hampinen/Abagawa recently. its pretty obvious too because when they talk in local it it just broken English gibberish, not even coherent sentences but random English phrases. as well as that we hit one of the 'puppet masters' yesterday and the instant he was podded all the other macroers in his little gang stopped. Tis like killing a hive mind!
Just don't be ****ed when a Raven zooms in and gives a little payback. I get prodded all of the time by people suspecting macro mining. I see nowhere in the game where it says I need to answer someone in local in order to justify your pvp. So you want to go kill spreeing in Empire, fine. Just make sure you're ready to receive it back if Concord doesn't catch you because the system sends me this nice e-mail telling me who killed the ship I wasn't watching every second.
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Enotz
Amarr Terminus Est Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.08 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: JR Miner Edited by: JR Miner on 08/11/2006 21:52:05 Edited by: JR Miner on 08/11/2006 21:48:41 Edited by: JR Miner on 08/11/2006 21:29:25 3e programme users are users that are using a ather programme than the eve programme.
most off the time that will give you a better position in the game than a normaal player.
and it is not allouwed look at rules http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/banning.asp
thare is a line in it saing:
f. A player has created, distributed or advertised an illegal 3rd party program (i.e. macro or cheat program) that disrupts game mechanics, is considered unfriendly or gives an unfair advantage by misusing game features in a way for which they were not intended.
to Elgar Lightfoot > most off the time players whit more than 1 account use macro's to help tham and if you can see that is not allouwed. and i'm not saing that you are useing macro's. (i hoop that more than 1 account is allouwed or els you are in trubel now......)
Thx JR
Uh, lots of people use multiple accounts; usually for hauling or mining; sometimes for combat.
Macroers (in terms of players, not characters) are honestly not that high of a number, compared with all the people who dualbox.
By "3e" you mean 3rd party...? Please work on your english, it's very hard to read.
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JR Miner
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Posted - 2006.11.09 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: JR Miner on 09/11/2006 08:24:39 hi,
first off all this post is to kick all 3rd party software and cheaters, not to kick the good player.
i know thare are program's like game gaurd that can see if anny 1 is useing a 3rd party software .
i whas hoping that the EvE office is reading this......
and sorry for my english.
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Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.09 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Elgar Lightfoot on 09/11/2006 11:23:25 It was the 3e I was quierying. I'd never heard anyone use that term. I assumed it was some macro platform you knew players were using.
Everyone here knows Macroing is illegal. What many don't realize is that the majority of those they assume are using macro's, because of their name, or simply because they have two barges and a hauler, are in fact not. They are rule abiding players. Just yesterday I was in a spot mining omber with a friend (corp member). We had 4 ships out there, two each. We mined, we hauled and neither of us used any TPA (abreviation for 3rd Party Application) to aid us in our gaming. Just because YOU can't see yourself being able to control two accounts doesn't mean others can't. Heck, I'm sure if I tried I could control upto 10 accounts while mining, combat is another matter.
What most players fail to realise is that not all TPA's are against the rules in EVE. There are a few which have recieved the OK from the EVE devs to be used. None of those alter anything you see or do in game, but not ALL TPA's are against the rules. The ONLY TPA which is banned is a Macro, but I guarantee 99% of the playerbase wouldn't be able to tell if someone was using a macro if they were sat at the PC running it. Sure in some cases you can see who is using a macro, however you are still only guessing.
If you suspect a macro user, report them and let 'the powers that be' deal with it.
I've been playing EVE on and off for two years now, and I write macro's for other games (where they are legal), yet myself, I've yet to come across a single macro using player. At least none that I could, without a doubt, say was using a macro. Then again I dont go looking for or testing players to find out.
I'm a miner/manufacturer and I have absolutely no problems in selling all of the minerals and items I produce. I really dont see any macroers hurting my game play. Prices remain fairly stable and only seem to wander up and down with wars, and when some noob player decides he's going to try to take over a market area. Those that do the most harm are the organised Farmers doing it to make ISK for sale. Then agian CCP bans anyone found purchasing ISK so I don't see them being a problem for too long.
EDIT, to JR. I find it amazing that you can jump to the conclusion that 'most' players who use more than one account are macroers. Those assumptions make your whole post into a simple troll post created out of ignorance.
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Bloody Slave
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Posted - 2006.11.09 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Enotz By "3e" you mean 3rd party...? Please work on your english, it's very hard to read.
No, it is not... think if he write using his natural language, Well, he is trying to use english and with some effort we can, sure, understand what he want to talk. You know that, you undestood him in the 1st time you read, but still, you come and say that it's very hard to read... I don't think so.
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Bloody Slave
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Posted - 2006.11.09 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot I've been playing EVE on and off for two years now, and I write macro's for other games (where they are legal), yet myself, I've yet to come across a single macro using player. At least none that I could, without a doubt, say was using a macro. Then again I dont go looking for or testing players to find out.
And, yet, you come to disagree with his post, even knowing that the Devs and real players are all aware that macro miners and ISK sellers destroy the game, as well cheaters and hackers... Man, you talk a lot, better if no moderator or GM or Dev read your post, you can have some problems if your logs show some weird transactions...
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Rock Lobster
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Posted - 2006.11.09 15:34:00 -
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I thought Abagawa was getting busy. Must warm up the Thorax later... :)
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Silvatico
Far Ranger
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Posted - 2006.11.09 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot What is 3e?
3e = an abbreviation of 'third party'; presumably from the French 'troisiFme' (= 'third' in English).
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Priestess Ayumi
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Posted - 2006.11.09 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Priestess Ayumi on 09/11/2006 19:13:42 WTB Grammar Lessons for OP
but I understand your plight. I used to mine in Mani, Tash Murkon region, but recently EVERYTHING is being stripped by these ****ed macros. -.-
But Ive moved 5 jumps out to a system that has no macros, and Ive allied myself witha Prime Orbital Systems guy to mine with and keep watching for theif squads
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Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.09 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Bloody Slave And, yet, you come to disagree with his post, even knowing that the Devs and real players are all aware that macro miners and ISK sellers destroy the game, as well cheaters and hackers... Man, you talk a lot, better if no moderator or GM or Dev read your post, you can have some problems if your logs show some weird transactions...
Now why would you think there would be anything untoward in my logs?
I disagree with his post because he's labeling ANYONE that mines alot or even uses more than one acount as a macroer.
Heck the post above me calls them macroers simply because they stripped the belts she/he used to mine.
Those are NOT macroers, They are farmers.
Farmers does NOT equal macroer. Farmers are there to make ISK that fastest they can. That is done by performing the tasks manually so they can switch roids and haul instantly they are ready. They PAY poeple to sit in sweat shops and do the farming for them. They focus on quantity over quality and do it as fast as they can.
In general macro's are slower and more prone to errors. They will mine out fields slowly and very rarely in large groups.
Macroers tend to be the single miners. Farmers (NOT MACROERS) do it in organized groups.
One is illegal, the other is not. I don't like farmers any more than the next person, but they are NOT illegal, only the act of selling the ISK for real cash is. Farming is a perfectly permitted way of making ISK in EVE. I do it, as do a huge number of other miners. It's still not illegal though.
If you call it a macro you better be sure it IS a macro, because I'll be here to shoot you down in flames when your wrong ;).
BTW, CCP have taken the best course of action they can to kill off the ISK farmers for RL cash. They are removing the customer. If no one buys the ISK, they'll stop farming it. All the time that the ISK for cash farmers are here it's the fault of the players who are buying it from them.
Macro's = illegal. Dealt with (petition if you suspect), dead horse. Farming = NOT illegal. Dead horse. ISK sellers = CCP dealing with. Dead horse.
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Ghostess
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Posted - 2006.11.12 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot I disagree with his post because he's labeling ANYONE that mines alot or even uses more than one acount as a macroer.
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Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.13 09:02:00 -
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You dont?
Originally by: JR Miner to Elgar Lightfoot > most off the time players whit more than 1 account use macro's to help tham and if you can see that is not allouwed. and i'm not saing that you are useing macro's. (i hoop that more than 1 account is allouwed or els you are in trubel now......)
It's also a lot of the tone in the posts. Most of the time players come here screaming about macro's when in reality they are too lazy or unable to reach the belts before the good ores are mined out. It's not the macro's that rip out the decent ore, it's the normal (no life) players who get there straight after DT just for that ore. A large portion of the player base points fingers and slanders others with the 'macro' term, when in reality they don't have a clue.
Sometime I get to the belts in time and I'll find some nice ores. Other times it's all gone and I'll strip everything else thats there. I don't go crying that the macro's got it all before me, I KNOW it's not the macro's doing it.
Macroing in EVE is far less of a problem than everyone makes out. Farmers for Cash are the real problem, but it gets overlooked because so many players are bent on incorrectly labeling everyone as a macroer. Target the RIGHT area (ISK for cash farmers) instead of adding to the blind accusations which distract people (CCP) from the real problem.
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Horton Heat
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot I don't like farmers any more than the next person..
Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot Farming is a perfectly permitted way of making ISK in EVE. I do it..
Internal personality clash? ; )
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Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Horton Heat
Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot I don't like farmers any more than the next person..
Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot Farming is a perfectly permitted way of making ISK in EVE. I do it..
Internal personality clash? ; )
Just because something is permitted, it doens't mean I have to like it. The easiest and fastest way to make ISK (for myself and many others) is through farming belts. It's boring and repetative, but it works. I have no problem with farming. I have no problems with farmers. I only have a problem with ISK for cash sellers. Oddly thats the exact same view that CCP has.
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R0ME0
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: R0ME0 on 14/11/2006 15:45:22 If you dont like macro miners join in with the fun me and a few other guys do, and thats visit a nice known ice belt up near jita its a 0.9 and has around 50-70+ ice miners in the belts with the normal "sdkg" as a name and in a NPC corp etc.
we fit Caldari Caracal Cruisers with all basic cheap mods, 5 launchers and Kenetic Ammo for bonus, and what we do is suicide kill them :) it takes 2 normally due to concord flying in and killing us, but we manage it fine.
With insurance etc, your only loosing out about 1-2mill max, but often they drop loot anyway which compensates this... Off course there is the security hit, but nothing a mission or two wont cure..
If anyone is interested in this and would like to get a few of us online at the same time we could all meet up in cruisers and shoot them all down.. Its fun watching there POD float in a ice belt for 1+ hours because there Macro is BUST. LOL...
R0ME0, Spelt with number 0, not letter o
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Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Elgar Lightfoot on 14/11/2006 16:03:39 They are likely farmers with those names. Although I don't agree with targeting any rule abiding player, it is most likely that those with names like that are farming to sell the ISK for cash. The pod in the belt for an hour + is a good sign of a macro though.
You may also consider petitioning those names so CCP can trace the ore/ISK trail.
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