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Neveren
Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:03:00 -
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So im sitting in Agil.... Copying a few Thousand BM's for my alts.... and well this is probably the most tedious and boring process ever... so i finally get them done! yay...
transfer to alt via shuttle.. of course... now that i repackaged the shuttle ive got 4000 Bm's in my hangar that will not open now...
So i petition.. yey....
Responce... If you feel Bm's are taking too long... "Dont use them"....
Wow..
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:10:00 -
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4000 in one spot? ... nice.. open hangar and wait 24 hours and maybe they show up.
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Bistot Kid
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:10:00 -
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Huh? The bookmarks were in the shuttle when you repackaged it or what?
I'm a bit torn between two responses, so pick the correct one:
1) If it's a bug then CCP should look into it.
2) If it was your balls up then it's not petition worthy, stop wasting their time, bite the bullet and I'll unpack the world's smallest violin and play a melancholy tune while you copy them again.
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Ms Freak
Amarr NCN Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:12:00 -
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If you wait (4000 would probably take about and hour) then they will show up eventually.
It just takes ages.
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skothk
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:13:00 -
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I thought hangers were restricted to 1000 objects a while ago?
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Neveren Responce... If you feel Bm's are taking too long... "Dont use them"....
Wow..
Lol.
Owned.
....it's great hi-jacking a meme isn't it?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Neveren << If you feel Bm's are taking too long... "Dont use them".... >>
Bah... I'm officially buzzed-off for the time being. I'd settle for a "don't worry, we'll soon make it so that you no longer HAVE to use BMs to have even the most basic chances for solo survival" response instead.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: skothk I thought hangers were restricted to 1000 objects a while ago?
They are. If he waits long enough for the BMs to show up, he's going to be ****ED to find out that only about 1/4 of them are still there.
/me points and laughs. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
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Posted - 2006.11.03 15:59:00 -
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OH mercy...
Gotta love "the hard way" of finding things out. Dont worry I bm'ed Serp Prime (fountain) to Jita and back deploying a jetcan with i trit in it to bm...
Noone told me you could just click "bookmark this location" till I was nearly finished.
10hrs through 90 odd systems owned by an alliance you had a -10 standing with !!!
And for trivias sake. I made it with out getting pwned. Got chased alot tho The answer to Infection... I mean Local is HERE |
Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: skothk I thought hangers were restricted to 1000 objects a while ago?
They are.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:05:00 -
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Well... from CCP's point of view:
1) They create bookmarks with the intent that players are able to mark a few places in space for mining, POS, mission stuff, etc.
2) Players extend that functionality past what the company envisioned to include instants and safespots.
3) Players try to BM the entire game and copy it amongst themselves and EXPECT that that is now the excepted way of playing the game.
4) Database starts acting up and lag issues arise because the number of BMs being stored and dealt with on a constant basis is greater than the game designers ever expected.
So...?
About the only thing that is obvious is that CCP really needs to turn BMs off completely and replace the functionality that players have bastardized BMs into with some other implementation that doesn't break the game in so many ways. Including what the OP has apparently experienced.
So in a way OP, you are writing to the Bic company and complaining that you are tired of burning your fingers whenever you try to cook your eggs using one of their cigarrette lighters... Their natural response is, well if you don't like burning your fingers, stop cooking eggs with our lighters. Your sense of reality is a bit skewed because everyone else around you is cooking their eggs with lighters too. And it seems messed up because Bic currently isn't producing a proper egg cooker.
So we wait for CCP to invent the oven and skillet. And in the meantime we either burn our fingers or go without eggs.
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spRAYed
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:06:00 -
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Someone give that GM a tap on the shoulder. ------------------------------
pArlT? Ur watching too many movies dude... ^Sig by Liu Mang |
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Xorus
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:09:00 -
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I believe you are limited to only 1000 item stacks hence 4000 BM's would be 4 times the limit of item stacks allowed in your hangar, lesson is leave them in the shuttle and copy them to your P&P ---
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68 Well... from CCP's point of view:
1) They create bookmarks with the intent that players are able to mark a few places in space for mining, POS, mission stuff, etc.
2) Players extend that functionality past what the company envisioned to include instants and safespots.
3) Players try to BM the entire game and copy it amongst themselves and EXPECT that that is now the excepted way of playing the game.
4) Database starts acting up and lag issues arise because the number of BMs being stored and dealt with on a constant basis is greater than the game designers ever expected.
So...?
About the only thing that is obvious is that CCP really needs to turn BMs off completely and replace the functionality that players have bastardized BMs into with some other implementation that doesn't break the game in so many ways. Including what the OP has apparently experienced.
So in a way OP, you are writing to the Bic company and complaining that you are tired of burning your fingers whenever you try to cook your eggs using one of their cigarrette lighters... Their natural response is, well if you don't like burning your fingers, stop cooking eggs with our lighters. Your sense of reality is a bit skewed because everyone else around you is cooking their eggs with lighters too. And it seems messed up because Bic currently isn't producing a proper egg cooker.
So we wait for CCP to invent the oven and skillet. And in the meantime we either burn our fingers or go without eggs.
What is annoying about all this is that during the beta, some smart guy figured out how to make insta's. Called Longwalker at that time. After the character that figured it out and shared the info to the rest of us.
CCP should have been able to see this coming... sadly, they didn't stop it when it would have been a simple matter. Now it's a very complicated mess and is also part of the basis for the way the game is played now. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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Serpensis
Gallente UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:16:00 -
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What did you expect? That the GMs should sort your 4000 BMs?
Get real. -- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty." |
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:20:00 -
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The whole BM copying and moving is such an idiotic thing, not only stupid for the one who copies masses of BMs but also causing lag for other players. If we take into consideration that probably 99% or more of all BMs in the game are gate-to-gate Instas there are only two simple reasonable solutions:
- Either add a "Warp 0 km to destination" menu item for warping to gates (perhaps linked to a new skill "precision navigation" or so)
- Or completely forbid to create BMs in a sphere of 15 km around a gate.
I can't understand why this problem isn't solved finally in a way that there is no more need to copy and move thousands of BMs.
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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
What is annoying about all this is that during the beta, some smart guy figured out how to make insta's. Called Longwalker at that time. After the character that figured it out and shared the info to the rest of us.
CCP should have been able to see this coming... sadly, they didn't stop it when it would have been a simple matter. Now it's a very complicated mess and is also part of the basis for the way the game is played now.
Aye, delaying the inevitable only makes it worse in an MMO. Didn't know it had been a 'feature' for so long. Certainly reduces my sympathy level for CCP a bit.
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.03 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Neveren So im sitting in Agil.... Copying a few Thousand BM's for my alts.... and well this is probably the most tedious and boring process ever... so i finally get them done! yay...
transfer to alt via shuttle.. of course... now that i repackaged the shuttle ive got 4000 Bm's in my hangar that will not open now...
So i petition.. yey....
Responce... If you feel Bm's are taking too long... "Dont use them"....
Wow..
You just got served. Owned! LOL
Good job, GM
=================================== Above comments are my personal views
Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.03 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 03/11/2006 17:14:29
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- Either add a "Warp 0 km to destination" menu item for warping to gates (perhaps linked to a new skill "precision navigation" or so)
A year ago I would have cried outrage, as many others still do. I don't want a skill to be associated with it however, for the very simple reason it would be ANOTHER "must train to lvl 5 on the day it comes out" to do things we already can in the first place.
Anyway, this would be the easiest solution. Simply put, Eve has changed in a way that bookmarks are a neccesity for survival. Not everyone here lives in unchallenged 0.0 space and houses about 80% of this game's most experienced pilots (BoB) and not everyone is a pirate. As far as I can see those two are generally speaking the only two groups violently opposing this. The former would gain nothing from it while others would, and the latter are afraid they won't be able to gank Ospreys and Kestrels from 200km.
The whole bullcrap about "get a scout", "get a friend to escort you" simply doesn't work all the time. Feck, it's hard enough to get a freighter or Industrial convoy from hisec system A to zerospace system B as it is, let alone when there won't be bookmarks. Eve is supposed to be about conflict, not about arranging a freighter ops in the middle of the night and then calling it off because a pirate in an inty sees it flying 5 jumps before its destination.
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- Or completely forbid to create BMs in a sphere of 15 km around a gate.
Doing that would just mean people would create bookmarks from 40km or 80km. I know a few beta pilots that still bookmark at 20km simply because 15km warp option was implemented later and 20 was the default before.
Disallowing bookmarking within 100km of an object would create an entirely new problem of not being able to make scout spots or snipe points .
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I can't understand why this problem isn't solved finally in a way that there is no more need to copy and move thousands of BMs.
Yeh I think you hit the nail. EVERYONE is using bookmarks and EVERYONE is warping to 0km, basically. Making a warp to 0 km option wouldn't make ANY difference to zerospace as it is now. Sure, more newbs would give it a go and fly around in a shuttle nigh uncatchable, but you'd see more bubbles/dictors appearing real fast. Obviously if this was to be implemented warp disruption fields should do a better job at pulling people out of warp since the whole nonsense with the need to be inline etc has needed fixing since forever.
As for lowsec empire, well I personally don't mind being able to fly from system to system freely. It would make sense RP-wise. Gates are like borders and borders tend to be safe. Nobody will get shot at JFK, but driving into Harlem (going to the roid field) is putting yourself at risk.
Being able to at least fly around between lowsec might encourage some more peeps to give it a shot, run the complexes in lowsec, snatch up some Jaspet or run some lowsec missions. At the very least it would stop the mindless gate ganking at 200km which prolly nobody would mind. We might get some real piracy back (omg oh noes but that involves skill....) as those are very very few atm.
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Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.11.03 17:16:00 -
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sorry to be n00bish (again)
bm is a ?
~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ |
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Spawetta
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Posted - 2006.11.03 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Xsag sorry to be n00bish (again)
bm is a ?
bookmark
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Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.11.03 17:24:00 -
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woah 4000 bookmarks????
krAZEE!
~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~ |
Futuri
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.03 17:30:00 -
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Thats proper customer support!
"If its taking too long.. don't play, we dont want your money!"
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Jarq Trashin
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Posted - 2006.11.03 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jarq Trashin on 03/11/2006 17:52:00 And again a fine example of the bad attitude EVE often shows (especially on the forums). It's very sad that this time it's shown by a GM, though. I can only hope that the response is taken out of context. If not, that's one of the badest customer support answers I ever found.
BTW, I had GM support once and that guy was extremely friendly and helping ;)
Ok, now go flame me to hell...
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Wompm
Rogue Method Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Wompm on 03/11/2006 18:09:26
Originally by: Kolmogorow
- Either add a "Warp 0 km to destination" menu item for warping to gates (perhaps linked to a new skill "precision navigation" or so)
- Or completely forbid to create BMs in a sphere of 15 km around a gate.
0km Nav skill is the best option. If you try to restrict bm creation to a 15km sphere or 30km sphere all people have to do is make new instas and warp to them at 30km or 45km or 100km ect. To negate the use of gate to gate insta's you would need to remove all bookmark creation within 115km of the gate.
0km Nav skill makes the most sense, just make it so that people can put down warp bubbles in low sec/empire (tho in high-sec it should only effect war targets).
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blacknight9
Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:09:00 -
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I don't use BM. The travel is more spectacular and the adrenalin pump is higher.What i mean is that not everyone is using BM.
I'm one of the few people who actually hate copying BM (and being too god **** lazy to actually buying and copying into people and places).
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Easy Target
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:10:00 -
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All a GM can do would be to open your hangar, wait till the BMs appear, and then put them back into your shuttle...
which is what you can do... :)
admittedly his/her diplomacy skills could use a little work, as you may not have known that waiting will cause them to appear eventually, each one has to be loaded... i had a few hundred BMs in my hangar, and it took 5 mins to open... so good luck.. :)
I am guessing he/she read it as a "my BMs take to long to copy" whine...
open your hangar...and go have some food... or start it opening before you goto bed... will be open by the morning... :)
Oh.. and for the record.. Kill bookmarks entirely.. :)
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Doing that would just mean people would create bookmarks from 40km or 80km.
So let's change the second option to:
- Or completely forbid to warp into a sphere of 15 km around a gate
(which should be possible to calculate taking the current location of the ship, the BM location and the selected warp option (15km, 30km, 80km, ...) into account. If so the player could get a message "Warp to current destination not possible" or something like that.)
But I don't want to vote for the second option (more the first one). What is annoying is the fact that there is no solution from CCP's side and that players have to create their own solution with an very imperfect instrument that was - I think - never intended to make travelling in dangerous areas safer. Bookmarks are a ghost CCP has called and now can't be restrained anymore - at least not without causing an earthquake in gameplay.
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Arondor
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.11.03 18:25:00 -
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implement a solution that requires the LEAST amount of work from the code, ie. warp to 0km (+/- a skill, although no skill = no extra computing to gain the function) and hope that will help some of the lag. Use bubbles in 0.0 and allow bubbles in 0.4+, empire becomes safe on the warp in side but it will still take a bit for ship to enter warp on the departure side (and some recons can warp scramble out to 40 km+) so people could still be caught in empire.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.03 19:30:00 -
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Thinking about it; would it be realistic to have ships exit warp closer to the gate depending on how long they take to enter warp?
Roleplaywise it would make sense because a longer time to enter warp means better calculations. Like, a freighter should land spot-on on top of the gate, a BS probably 3-4km off and an interceptor up to 20km.
Adding Nano's would increase your speed to enter warp, but would in turn drop you out of warp further off, making you choose between safety upon entering or safety upon exit. Optionally you could refit as needed.
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