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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:39:07 -
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Sven Viko VIkolander wrote:I am curious why the Police Comet is marked as a permanent skin, when it is still in some ways an in-game drop. I am happy to have it permanent, but it seems like a mistake.
The Police Pursuit Comet will become a permanent SKIN. It's cost in the LP Store will also be changing. The reasoning behind this was that, although they are in-game items, Police Pursuit Comets actively bought and so the market can self regulate them, versus loot drop SKINs which can't be controlled as easily by the market to keep their value up.
@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
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OkarasRule
We Are Many For We Are Legion
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:39:14 -
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the ORE development edition ships have "market" as their method of getting them... does that mean they will be seeded by npcs? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5188
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:53:25 -
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NekoKitten wrote:How about dropping a time limited skin of a ship that was SKINned by a capsuleer that got destroyed in pvp and ofcourse treated like any loot drop (yes or no said the loot fairy), is that an idea or a terrible one ?
I could see potential farming issues here. Though I guess the time limited could be more limited than the 30 days.
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Marox Calendale
Human League
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:54:35 -
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All shown new SKINs are for T1 Hulls only except Exhumers. Why are there no SKIN-¦s for Barges or T2 Hulls? Will they be introduced in future patches? |
Theo Sotken
Mother Knows Best Corporation
35
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:54:49 -
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Burnt Beans wrote:Question to CCP.
I am currently in possession of the quafe ships after subscribing for a year. They are being held on an alt account.
Does the character I wish the permanent skins to belong to after the change have to have possession of the ships at the change or is the skin transferrable before applying?
Cheers
The BPC's change into permanent licences to be applied. The ships are seperated into the base ship + permanent licence
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5660433#post5660433
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5188
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Posted - 2015.04.22 11:57:44 -
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OkarasRule wrote:the ORE development edition ships have "market" as their method of getting them... does that mean they will be seeded by npcs?
Market = The only way to get them is to buy them from other players (who got them before, and haven't injected the license)
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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OkarasRule
We Are Many For We Are Legion
24
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Posted - 2015.04.22 12:10:01 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:OkarasRule wrote:the ORE development edition ships have "market" as their method of getting them... does that mean they will be seeded by npcs? Market = The only way to get them is to buy them from other players (who got them before, and haven't injected the license)
thank you for the fast answer and thank the gods of eve I bought 15 of them lmao |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4410
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Posted - 2015.04.22 12:29:38 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:well some people would wonder about why different skins for the same ship would be priced so differently, and so high i'd encourage these people to think about these skins as if they were clothing Quote:Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are. it's obviously perfectly fine that a particular recolour'd cost more than another recolour because the higher price adds to the prestige of owning the skin i think ccp should be applauded for this fearless approach to cosmetics pricing One can be fearless by jumping into a wood chipper, it does not automatically make it a wise choice. Of course your argument holds meaning in the luxury market, but wrapping a ford car in gold paint does not make it a luxury item, no matter how pretty. It is still a consumer automobile. There is an opportunity here for low priced cosmetic items, something where everyone has many. As it stands, it is offering false vanity, to a few, at high price. The income will be minimal, and the cost to the brand significant. Not exactly the goal of a marketing department. However, we will see, one of us will be right. And If it is me, I will be deeply sad, as it will be a golden opportunity lost at harm to the game I love. i thought the quote'd be a dead giveaway but ok to be clear, it's dumb and i'm turned off of buying any because it's dumb |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
1287
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Posted - 2015.04.22 12:43:47 -
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In the character sheet SKINS tab, the search field lets you search for specific items, it would be nice if I could type in "Amarr" and all the Amarr ships that have skins available would show up. Likewise for Gallente, Caldari and Minmatar.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.22 12:54:33 -
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OkarasRule wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:OkarasRule wrote:the ORE development edition ships have "market" as their method of getting them... does that mean they will be seeded by npcs? Market = The only way to get them is to buy them from other players (who got them before, and haven't injected the license) thank you for the fast answer and thank the gods of eve I bought 15 of them lmao
You're spacerich now.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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kyoukoku
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 12:59:03 -
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Marox Calendale wrote:All shown new SKINs are for T1 Hulls only except Exhumers. Why are there no SKIN-¦s for Barges or T2 Hulls? Will they be introduced in future patches?
If you play with the URL of the Internet Spaceship Interactive Spinner (ISIS-«-¬Gäó) you can find what some T2 Hulls look like with various SKINs;
e.g. Aliastra Nemesis or The Quafe Bomber (also the Nemesis)
The standard Manticore (in native Laidai SKIN) vs the Wiyrkomi Manticore
You can pull the relevant hull IDs from the Scylla DB Dump found on the dev site, specifically from the file "graphicsIDs.yaml".
At least you'll have some idea of what skins you might like to see in future, because even if they don't currently exist as obtainable items, with this you know it's possible to have any combination. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1769
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:00:35 -
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When will SKINs work in way that for example i have a Kor-Azor skin an it can be applied to all Amarr T1 hulls beacause now(still) if you fly a ship diffrent than those with SKINs... you have nothing ?
Akrasjel Lanate
General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
124
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:04:15 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:When will SKINs work in way that for example i have a Kor-Azor skin an it can be applied to all Amarr T1 hulls beacause now(still) if you fly a ship diffrent than those with SKINs... you have nothing ?
I thought the system would work like that when it was first announced, but seeing objectively - the demand would've been exhausted in no time under such conditions.
So yes, ship-type specific SKINs is what we have currently.
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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Sahn Koon
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:10:08 -
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Damjan Fox wrote:Prices might seem quite high at first, but you have to consider, that these new SKINs are indestructible now. You only have to purchase them once. And in addition to that, you can buy them with ISK from the market, which costs you no real life money at all. (...and it's not like i have bought 1 or 2 skinned ships in advance ) PS: How long do i have to wait, till i get my Black Astero or Black Stratios? Please, CCP, make it happen!
They would probably cost $50 dollars each. Or maybe even more for the Stratios. I'm sure the price will far out way the benefits. |
Sahn Koon
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:14:57 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Verskon Qaual wrote: variable pricing based on desirability Just wanted to point out: this is not something to criticize. This is something that should be expected. Not that I'm completely on board with the price structure here, mind you, but this isn't one of the problems. well some people would wonder about why different skins for the same ship would be priced so differently, and so high i'd encourage these people to think about these skins as if they were clothing Quote:Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are. it's obviously perfectly fine that a particular recolour'd cost more than another recolour because the higher price adds to the prestige of owning the skin i think ccp should be applauded for this fearless approach to cosmetics pricing
Yea, vouch for the retailer and pay top price! You'll have a hard time in EVE with that mentality.
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Lavayar
russian sobr Dream Fleet
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:19:26 -
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So why is ship SKIN system is bad idea for EVE?
Not because of CCP gets more money.
It`s because it does not fit the "golden rule" of EVE universe "If you undock be ready to loose it all". But now CCP introduces "something" that is yours forever, no matter what happens with you after undock.
This is bad for EVE!
And all that "rich boys", who is stupidly loosing their shiny officer fit toys every day, will get a way to be shiny, but not to loose anything.
And this is bad for EVE!
CCP stop that!
Make SKINS destructible with ships. Make them like t3 subsystems, or "skin" rigs, or something like that (there are many fine proposals).
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
402
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:39:42 -
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lel
Actually, this is a wealth transfer mechanic from established pilots to new people, just like PLEX is.
That is very healthy from an economic point of view.
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1258
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:39:53 -
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Wait. Wtf did I just see? I was actually zooming and spinning the ship in the image in the devblog! How did you do that?
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Odeva Pawen
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:44:04 -
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On patch day, how will the conversion of market orders work? will the skin items themselves stay on the market, or will they just be dumped in the item hanger?
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Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E.
122
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:49:55 -
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Many people, including me, don't like the temporary SKINs as loot drops. But, CCP, you do have a point about market saturation. How to fix? Have permanent SKINs drop as loot very, very rarely. There will always be demand for SKINs as new players join eve. You just need to insure the drop rate is low enough, and the market will never saturate. |
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kyoukoku
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:50:49 -
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How about a stealthier looking Garmur (Mordus's Legion standard SKIN) in the Aliastra Garmur
or a Police Garmur 66-¦N Edition
Or for those capsuleers who love Quafe so much they'd love to be floating in it - whilst in their Pod - I give you the Quafe Pod-«-¬Gäó coming SoonGäó.
Damn this is fun.
I think CCP should just have a tiered flat rate on SKINs for a given ship class, e.g. Capsules start at the bottom, then shuttles, rookie ships, frigates, and so on, and just let us choose our combination of SKIN & Hull. They can charge slightly more to skin each ascending hull type.
If they then want truly unique skins they could have these as special purchases with a correspondingly higher cost. the technology is already clearly somewhat in place given how easy it is for the WebShipSkinnerSpinner-«-¬Gäó to apply any SKIN to any hull. |
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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:50:55 -
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Idoru Yoshikawa wrote:Being Minmatar, sadly I won't buy any of the Minmatar skins. I was really looking forward for some cool Minmatar skins and truth is I got a major disappointment.
I find MInmatar SKINs not worth spending the ISK/AUR. No stripes like some Caldari ones, no different colors like some Gallente ones. Nefantar and Krusual skins just look as a slightly polished version of the regular ones. They just look the same to me and most of the times because of light in space, you won't even realize the ship has a different skin.
I would find interesting to know what percentage of the skins sold are Minmatar. I bet it will be a small amount compared to other races.
Definitively, I don't find any Minmatar skin that makes me think my ship will look different at all as others definitively do. And the "rust and dust" aesthetic argument doesn't feel valid at all, to be honest, when we are talking about optional skins.
If you make MInmatar skins that are worth buying I'll be the first one to get them.
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised in the future :) (no I can't tell you when)
@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.22 13:56:38 -
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Odeva Pawen wrote:On patch day, how will the conversion of market orders work? will the skin items themselves stay on the market, or will they just be dumped in the item hanger?
Blueprints on market -> Returned, converted to Redeemable licences and broker fees refunded. Ship hulls on market -> Returned, ship converted to the base hull version with a SKIN licence placed into Redeemables, and broker fees refund.
I think.
CCP Terminus wrote:Idoru Yoshikawa wrote:Being Minmatar, sadly I won't buy any of the Minmatar skins. I was really looking forward for some cool Minmatar skins and truth is I got a major disappointment.
I find MInmatar SKINs not worth spending the ISK/AUR. No stripes like some Caldari ones, no different colors like some Gallente ones. Nefantar and Krusual skins just look as a slightly polished version of the regular ones. They just look the same to me and most of the times because of light in space, you won't even realize the ship has a different skin.
I would find interesting to know what percentage of the skins sold are Minmatar. I bet it will be a small amount compared to other races.
Definitively, I don't find any Minmatar skin that makes me think my ship will look different at all as others definitively do. And the "rust and dust" aesthetic argument doesn't feel valid at all, to be honest, when we are talking about optional skins.
If you make MInmatar skins that are worth buying I'll be the first one to get them. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised in the future :) (no I can't tell you when)
Buy all the Rifters! (Gò»-¦Gûí-¦n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK.
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HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:05:36 -
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I suppose the reason I really don't like this is it means CCP is either going to be fighting itself from putting custom skins in or will charge over 30 dollars for their use.
We are currently at half a monocle per ship. |
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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:15:10 -
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Burnt Beans wrote:Question to CCP.
I am currently in possession of the quafe ships after subscribing for a year. They are being held on an alt account.
Does the character I wish the permanent skins to belong to after the change have to have possession of the ships at the change or is the skin transferrable before applying?
Cheers
As mentioned, it'll go in the redeeming queue. You can then redeem and trade the item to your main like any normal item.
@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
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Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
456
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:20:14 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:When will SKINs work in way that for example i have a Kor-Azor skin an it can be applied to all Amarr T1 hulls beacause now(still) if you fly a ship diffrent than those with SKINs... you have nothing ?
The system already supports this, they've just chosen not to introduce any SKINs of this type during the change over. They've talked extensively about using this in the future though... |
Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion
456
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:24:55 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:It does seem that the pricing system lacks scaling with ship size/cost.
We're talking permanent SKINs. Scaling by ship size is pointless. If you fly the hull regularly you will be able to use the SKIN forever. Before small ships had cheap variants because you would be expected to lose them much more often than with your Aeon or Rorqual. Now, ship loss is irrelevant to SKIN pricing.
The only relevant factors to SKIN pricing is whether it is permanent vs. temp and how rare does CCP want that SKIN to be vs other SKINs for the same hull.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1769
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Posted - 2015.04.22 14:28:08 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:When will SKINs work in way that for example i have a Kor-Azor skin an it can be applied to all Amarr T1 hulls beacause now(still) if you fly a ship diffrent than those with SKINs... you have nothing ? The system already supports this, they've just chosen not to introduce any SKINs of this type during the change over. They've talked extensively about using this in the future though... Maby missed that... link ?
Akrasjel Lanate
Member of Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Citizen of Solitude
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HiddenPorpoise
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
318
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Posted - 2015.04.22 15:00:33 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Lena Lazair wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:When will SKINs work in way that for example i have a Kor-Azor skin an it can be applied to all Amarr T1 hulls beacause now(still) if you fly a ship diffrent than those with SKINs... you have nothing ? The system already supports this, they've just chosen not to introduce any SKINs of this type during the change over. They've talked extensively about using this in the future though... Maby missed that... link ? I can't remember what blog covered it but now all ship skins are colored maps so any ship can have any paintjob.
Serum looks nice on every non-mordu ship
https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/ccpwgl/skindevblog/index.shtml?dna=gbc3_t1:police:caldari&distance=700 Police Talos as an example, even lights are effected. |
Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.22 15:09:20 -
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Questions first:
I only saw a CSM "confirm" that items which are tagged with "market" will not be re-seeded and only use the current supply in the game. There was no mention of that in the devblog, and no mention of that from a dev here, and no mention when or how these skins will be obtained in the game after the patch. Where does a CSM get this information that there will be no further seeding of this item?
Devblog wrote:For example: If you have a Megathron Quafe Edition you will get a standard Megathron in the same location as the original, and 1 Megathron Quafe SKIN (Permanent) item placed in your redeeming queue. I'm not quite following here. You get a Megathron in ADDITION to the fitted Megathron you already have? Why? Or if you get a standard Megathron to REPLACE the Quafe Megathron, what happens with the rigs and modules?
Stuuu~uuuff now!
If you activate the item, it becomes a permanent addition which cannot be reversed, right? I think this is a problem. You can buy Clothes for Aurum, wear them for a while, and then sell them for ISK if you don't like them any more. You also do not lose these clothes when podded. I think there should be a "redeem back" option for skin licenses if there is none planned yet c:
Okay... now... even if I had NO problem with the way the skins are handled as mechanic... the price difference among them in the same ship class is hilarious. Please don't reply with "prettier skins cost more"... because... who thinks "rust-online" Nugoeihuvi skins look prettier than "space camo" Wiyrkomi? So maybe there are people who think that, but... so what? Only shows how people like different things and no opinion about DESIGN should be more worth than another. Now please don't either come with the "better brands cost more". There is nothing better here, opinions on design are subjective, and there is no discrimination in ingame detail, quality, or any other value, so there is no reason for the price to be different.
And who says which DIFFERENT ships are prettier than others? Who has the right to say that Rust Online Merlin looks better than Kador Punisher ? Those are COMPLETELY different ships with COMPLETELY different designs. What was going on in your mind there? D: I hope you didn't base them off current ship purchases, because really, that would be totally flawed, since many people didn't bother for a ship skin because they didn't care about buying another copy of that ship, or to destroy their rigs :c
I still think it would have been better to transition to a destructible item that is put into a new slot on the ship and can be removed at will like a module, but is guaranteed to be destroyed upon kill like a rig. This would keep a constant supply and demand for the ship skin, while giving value to the skinned destruction on killmails. It could still be freely traded like clothes which don't lose their value after they're "used". And again, I would like to see the option to purchase both, for different prices. The person running pvp a lot and gets their ships shot down left and right will go for the permant unlock, while the person doing comfy pve who won't get shot would use the cheaper "used-until-killed" version. Both sides are happy, money runs in from both sides c:
At any rate, please DO NOT consider to include ship skins in killmails in the future. It has no effect, and no value, nothing is destroyed.
I think the 30day restriction is a poor system that you probably try to copy from other korean-style games. Would it be so bad to adjust the drop rates of these skins in order to justify their "permanence"? Of course this ties in to the previous thing I mentioned, which would be make them destructible as a slotted item on a ship. Or would it be so bad to add a rare drop that is permanent? You could even go as far as to have a low chance to "invent" the 30day skin into a permanent one with a research drop BPC.
I know it is not going to happen but... I would love to see standing based skins c: They would only be able to buy / unlock when you reach a certain standing with the corporation, something like 9.0 or something, and you will be declined the use of the skin once you drop below this standing. The skin is still available for you if unlocked once but, you know, not usable as long as you don't have that standing. It might be a visual upgrade to an existing skin you need to purchase from the Aurum store first before you then can apply this upgrade from the standing based one. This could also be a possible solution to make the 30day skin permanent, by showing your respect and loyalty for those pirate factions? |
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