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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.04.15 00:42:50 -
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John Sharp wrote:... This new process does require you to be active to defend, but seems a bit favored to the attackers. Especially those not interested in your space or structures, just easy kills. ... I think it will be worse than that. New era of "Throw away SOV" where: Group A griefs group B until they get too annoyed and move out. Group C move in and get griefed by group B. Group C moves or some subsequent group people realise that no one wants to hold SOV so it becomes empty.
Meanwhile, Group B holds the moons the entire time.
Low Sec 2.0
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Cade Windstalker
Donohue Enterprises Ad-Astra
372
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Posted - 2015.04.15 00:53:07 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:John Sharp wrote:... This new process does require you to be active to defend, but seems a bit favored to the attackers. Especially those not interested in your space or structures, just easy kills. ... I think it will be worse than that. New era of "Throw away SOV" where: Group A griefs group B until they get too annoyed and move out. Group C move in and get griefed by group B. Group C moves or some subsequent group people realise that no one wants to hold SOV so it becomes empty. Meanwhile, Group B holds the moons the entire time. Low Sec 2.0
Then what, exactly, is to stop Groups A and C going "this sucks, lets get-em" and blowing up all of Group B's Mining Arrays?
Also if Group B doesn't actually hold any assets (stations, ect) in the area then how are they so effectively harassing with power projection nerfed the way it is? Are they simply that large of a group and if so why don't they simply hold Sov to better defend their assets? |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1341
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:06:25 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:John Sharp wrote:... This new process does require you to be active to defend, but seems a bit favored to the attackers. Especially those not interested in your space or structures, just easy kills. ... I think it will be worse than that. New era of "Throw away SOV" where: Group A griefs group B until they get too annoyed and move out. Group C move in and get griefed by group B. Group C moves or some subsequent group people realise that no one wants to hold SOV so it becomes empty. Meanwhile, Group B holds the moons the entire time. Low Sec 2.0 Then what, exactly, is to stop Groups A and C going "this sucks, lets get-em" and blowing up all of Group B's Mining Arrays? Also if Group B doesn't actually hold any assets (stations, ect) in the area then how are they so effectively harassing with power projection nerfed the way it is? Are they simply that large of a group and if so why don't they simply hold Sov to better defend their assets? Deep Null? Rorquals + POSes + ships + Clone Vat Bays
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Bowbndr
Twisted Metal Inc. Northern Associates.
12
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Posted - 2015.04.16 05:32:49 -
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so what your doing is making it so that your large Goon and CFC friends can just cover all of null sec because they keep people online and running this link, While smaller groups will be pushed out of null completely because they don't have the manpower to constantly defend against these links.
I fail to see how this kind of mechanic helps the little guys at all.
think it should be renamed to Fozzy's Goon sov |
Bowbndr
Twisted Metal Inc. Northern Associates.
12
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Posted - 2015.04.16 05:39:34 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:John Sharp wrote:... This new process does require you to be active to defend, but seems a bit favored to the attackers. Especially those not interested in your space or structures, just easy kills. ... I think it will be worse than that. New era of "Throw away SOV" where: Group A griefs group B until they get too annoyed and move out. Group C move in and get griefed by group B. Group C moves or some subsequent group people realise that no one wants to hold SOV so it becomes empty. Meanwhile, Group B holds the moons the entire time. Low Sec 2.0 Then what, exactly, is to stop Groups A and C going "this sucks, lets get-em" and blowing up all of Group B's Mining Arrays? Also if Group B doesn't actually hold any assets (stations, ect) in the area then how are they so effectively harassing with power projection nerfed the way it is? Are they simply that large of a group and if so why don't they simply hold Sov to better defend their assets?
Have you not looked at the CFC member list lately? it isn't hard to generate membership when CCP keeps changing the game in your favor. |
Bowbndr
Twisted Metal Inc. Northern Associates.
12
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Posted - 2015.04.16 05:52:35 -
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[quote=John Sharp This new process does require you to be active to defend, but seems a bit favored to the attackers. Especially those not interested in your space or structures, just easy kills. Risk vs Reward is somewhat replaced by Work vs Reward. To hold your space/structure you need to work in EVE for four hours a day, and maybe longer if you cannot return all your "timers" back to zero. Just one second of active link and you must have a member of the defending alliance negate that effect or leave it vulnerable past the window. And the rewards for this work may not be worth the effort of groups that cannot have four hours of active members on every day just to keep that handful of trolls at bay. In no way does this encourage smaller groups to hold SOV or structures. So we end up with a lot of freeports in null...which isn't a bad thing. No one has to pay the bills, and everyone can use it. I-Hubs are only worth the effort to groups that can hold and build up their indexes, which again seems to only be the much larger forces. I'm not sure, but we could end up with a lot of empty space nobody can hold, and everyone running to the established alliances for stability. Not sure that was the plan...or maybe it is.
Why not make SOV mean something. Holding a TCU should still protect YOUR structures in a system. If I can't hold a TCU then I likely can't hold the system, but at least it gives me a chance to have other structures that can't be RF for lulz when I went thru all the effort to put them up. Yes, this will add timers and make things take longer, but why not make it harder for attackers. Defenders took the time and effort to build up their space, should it be that easy to destroy? It would make alliances WANT to have a TCU and claim space, because there is a reward. At the very least it means a force has to be committed to the attack to effect my space in a meaningful way.
your assuming that the changes are ment for anything more than Making it easier to drive everyone but Goons from Null. and yes in case you haven't guessed from my posts I do not like goons.
that being said, there is nothing in these changes that will do anything to help with holding sov or make it worth the time and investment for anyone CCP ie Goons don't approve of to try to make a go of it in null.
Fozzy wants to make it easier for the goons to force everyone out of null
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
318
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Posted - 2015.04.16 06:09:09 -
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Really now, haven't you seen the pre-emptive withdrawal from Fountain? :couldbetrap:
All your dyspro--dyspro are belong to us
CCP, pls.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2267
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Posted - 2015.04.16 06:24:17 -
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Bowbndr wrote:so what your doing is making it so that your large Goon and CFC friends can just cover all of null sec because they keep people online and running this link, While smaller groups will be pushed out of null completely because they don't have the manpower to constantly defend against these links.
I fail to see how this kind of mechanic helps the little guys at all.
think it should be renamed to Fozzy's Goon sov if yure going to claim goons are trying to take all of null in any way, you might want to check news sites more often. I doubt dropping two regions from CFC (or Imperium as it is now) is the next step in their nullsec-domination plan. And with NC. dropping renters this is a prime time for the smaller dudes to swarm in and grab what they can hold.
And have you considered how many people will target the northern space, simply because they hate goons? I can see plenty of un-used space going either unclaimed or being flip-flopped depending on who shows up. |
Cade Windstalker
Donohue Enterprises Ad-Astra
384
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Posted - 2015.04.16 09:32:35 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:Then what, exactly, is to stop Groups A and C going "this sucks, lets get-em" and blowing up all of Group B's Mining Arrays?
Also if Group B doesn't actually hold any assets (stations, ect) in the area then how are they so effectively harassing with power projection nerfed the way it is? Are they simply that large of a group and if so why don't they simply hold Sov to better defend their assets? Deep Null? Rorquals + POSes + ships + Clone Vat Bays
POSes are going away eventually with the new structures and their replacements will be subject to Entosis mechanics. If they have structures in the area then they're holding assets and those can be attacked and removed by the defenders to end the threat. |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.04.16 10:32:38 -
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Vice Admiral
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
234
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:20:49 -
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What happens when more than 2 entities are contesting space? Like, what if a Goon wanted to run up/down a timer using an NPC corp alt to protect a Goon control point? |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2049
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:28:02 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:What happens when more than 2 entities are contesting space? Like, what if a Goon wanted to run up/down a timer using an NPC corp alt to protect a Goon control point? The NPC Alt counts as an attacker, so runs the attackers timer. That's already been answered in the Dev blog. Only the owning alliance can run a defensive timer/link. Anyone else counts as an attacker, so yes, NPC Corp members can also break someone elses Sov. They still can't actually take it for themselves once it's in freeport mode of course, but they can run the first round of timers and force it into freeport (assuming Outpost). |
Raphael Celestine
Celestine Inc.
72
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:33:46 -
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Anyone not actually in the defender's corp/alliance always counts as an attacker for the purposes of entosis links. You can bring in blues/alts to shoot people, but the links must be run by actual members of the defending group.
In most cases, multiple groups split into two teams: 'defenders' vs 'everybody else'. The big exception is a station in Freeport mode, where there are as many sides as there are entities contesting space - every group running an entosis link runs up their own timer and hurts everyone else's. |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
324
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:26:16 -
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A Key to the Castle. I like it.
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Alexis Nightwish
151
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:08:55 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:John Sharp wrote:... This new process does require you to be active to defend, but seems a bit favored to the attackers. Especially those not interested in your space or structures, just easy kills. ... I think it will be worse than that. New era of "Throw away SOV" where: Group A griefs group B until they get too annoyed and move out. Group C move in and get griefed by group B. Group C moves or some subsequent group people realise that no one wants to hold SOV so it becomes empty. Meanwhile, Group B holds the moons the entire time. Low Sec 2.0 How does Group B hold the moons if they were forced out by Group A?
CCP only approaches a problem in one of two ways: nudge or cludge
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Alexis Nightwish
151
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:37:08 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Cyno Reapers is truth. Entosis Velator will succeed. (a+ç -á-¦ -ƒ+ä-£ -í-¦)a+ç Quote:Given the proposed stats and fitting requirements I see the T1 version only used on cruisers and up, and the T2 only BC and up due to the amount of PG required. Such a limitation does not have "the minimum possible effect on what ships and tactics players can choose." A hundred PG is nothing on a t1 cruiser, which probably are going to be yolo bricktanked. Anyone know whether Entosis cycle can be interrupted prematurely via loss of lock? Or does it keep on finishing its cycle, preventing all remote repairs until it's over? Depending, you could damp your own yolo kruiser, rep him up, regroup and repeat, since Entosis progress is saved AFAIK? TooGoodToBeTrue. Not on a 1400PG Maller sure, but absolutely on a 700PG Arbitrator, which is my whole point: The fitting (along with the nature of an Elink ship needing to keep itself alive w/o help) heavily restricts the ships you would use it on.
I foresee T3Cs being the only ship type that won't get you laughed out of the alliance for putting an Elink on it, which is not having "the minimum possible effect on what ships and tactics players can choose."
CCP only approaches a problem in one of two ways: nudge or cludge
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2284
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:42:18 -
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Alexis Nightwish wrote:Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Cyno Reapers is truth. Entosis Velator will succeed. (a+ç -á-¦ -ƒ+ä-£ -í-¦)a+ç Quote:Given the proposed stats and fitting requirements I see the T1 version only used on cruisers and up, and the T2 only BC and up due to the amount of PG required. Such a limitation does not have "the minimum possible effect on what ships and tactics players can choose." A hundred PG is nothing on a t1 cruiser, which probably are going to be yolo bricktanked. Anyone know whether Entosis cycle can be interrupted prematurely via loss of lock? Or does it keep on finishing its cycle, preventing all remote repairs until it's over? Depending, you could damp your own yolo kruiser, rep him up, regroup and repeat, since Entosis progress is saved AFAIK? TooGoodToBeTrue. Not on a 1400PG Maller sure, but absolutely on a 700PG Arbitrator, which is my whole point: The fitting (along with the nature of an Elink ship needing to keep itself alive w/o help) heavily restricts the ships you would use it on. I foresee T3Cs being the only ship type that won't get you laughed out of the alliance for putting an Elink on it, which is not having "the minimum possible effect on what ships and tactics players can choose." "having the minimum possible impact" and "being the optimal choice" are not the same thing. Of course people will throw these things on the tankiest ships they can scrounge, but that doesnt mean they cant throw it on something small and cheap too if they want. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1355
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Posted - 2015.04.17 00:41:45 -
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Alexis Nightwish wrote:How does Group B hold the moons if they were forced out by Group A? Group A don't want the SOV and group B doesn't either at that point. So they stage from NPC stations. Cade Windstalker wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:Then what, exactly, is to stop Groups A and C going "this sucks, lets get-em" and blowing up all of Group B's Mining Arrays? Also if Group B doesn't actually hold any assets (stations, ect) in the area then how are they so effectively harassing with power projection nerfed the way it is? Are they simply that large of a group and if so why don't they simply hold Sov to better defend their assets? Deep Null? Rorquals + POSes + ships + Clone Vat Bays POSes are going away eventually with the new structures and their replacements will be subject to Entosis mechanics. If they have structures in the area then they're holding assets and those can be attacked and removed by the defenders to end the threat. There will still be an encampment structure so you can set up in enemy territory.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2287
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Posted - 2015.04.17 00:49:34 -
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So, using the same mechanics, group B is capable of holding moons and living with harassment, except for stations hubs and TCUs? Seems like either the priorities or the capabilities aren't matching here. |
Cade Windstalker
Donohue Enterprises Ad-Astra
389
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Posted - 2015.04.17 01:42:11 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Alexis Nightwish wrote:How does Group B hold the moons if they were forced out by Group A? Group A don't want the SOV and group B doesn't either at that point. So they stage from NPC stations. ..snip... There will still be an encampment structure so you can set up in enemy territory.
NPC stations only work to an extent. For example no Super Cap safety and limited power projection range due to the jump changes.
Any sort of player-made structure can be destroyed and if they're defending their staging structures then they're not harassing your Sov (or at least not for very long). Plus all of the non-Sov sized structures don't have the Nodes minigame, making them significantly easier to knock over. |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1355
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Posted - 2015.04.17 02:43:42 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Alexis Nightwish wrote:How does Group B hold the moons if they were forced out by Group A? Group A don't want the SOV and group B doesn't either at that point. So they stage from NPC stations. ..snip... There will still be an encampment structure so you can set up in enemy territory. NPC stations only work to an extent. For example no Super Cap safety and limited power projection range due to the jump changes.... Having a Low Sec POS with your Supers and a station you can access will be infinitely better than a quick flipped SOV station that is red, locked you out of most of your stuff and has supers logged off in a POS where your enemy can now stage in the same system.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
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Cade Windstalker
Donohue Enterprises Ad-Astra
389
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Posted - 2015.04.17 02:55:25 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Having a Low Sec POS with your Supers and a station you can access will be infinitely better than a quick flipped SOV station that is red, locked you out of most of your stuff and has supers logged off in a POS where your enemy can now stage in the same system.
Remember, all structures larger than a POCO are eventually getting removed or swapped to the Entosis system. POSes being one of the ones slated for outright removal and replacement with the new stuff. Also comparatively a POS isn't particularly more defensible than an Entosis Sov structure IMO. There's no restrictions on when you trigger the first timer, then you have two more timers to hit but if the enemy just blobs Caps and Supers they can DPS down the POS faster than a 30-40 minute Entosis timer. |
Bowbndr
Twisted Metal Inc. Northern Associates.
12
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Posted - 2015.04.17 04:59:36 -
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Rowells wrote:Bowbndr wrote:so what your doing is making it so that your large Goon and CFC friends can just cover all of null sec because they keep people online and running this link, While smaller groups will be pushed out of null completely because they don't have the manpower to constantly defend against these links.
I fail to see how this kind of mechanic helps the little guys at all.
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. if yure going to claim goons are trying to take all of null in any way, you might want to check news sites more often. I doubt dropping two regions from CFC (or Imperium as it is now) is the next step in their nullsec-domination plan. And with NC. dropping renters this is a prime time for the smaller dudes to swarm in and grab what they can hold. And have you considered how many people will target the northern space, simply because they hate goons? I can see plenty of un-used space going either unclaimed or being flip-flopped depending on who shows up.
Dropping a few regions and "announcing" the end of the CFC mean nothing as long as CCP allowes them to keep everyone else from holding sov. the only thing Fozzy's new goonsov will do is make it so they can extort others without having to hold the sov themselves. |
Bowbndr
Twisted Metal Inc. Northern Associates.
12
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Posted - 2015.04.17 05:02:09 -
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Bowbndr wrote:so what your doing is making it so that your large Goon and CFC friends can just cover all of null sec because they keep people online and running this link, While smaller groups will be pushed out of null completely because they don't have the manpower to constantly defend against these links.
I fail to see how this kind of mechanic helps the little guys at all.
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
I dident name the changes Fozzy sov I would look to whoever laid his name under the goon bootheal |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6712
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Posted - 2015.04.17 05:29:54 -
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Bowbndr wrote:Rowells wrote:Bowbndr wrote:so what your doing is making it so that your large Goon and CFC friends can just cover all of null sec because they keep people online and running this link, While smaller groups will be pushed out of null completely because they don't have the manpower to constantly defend against these links.
I fail to see how this kind of mechanic helps the little guys at all.
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. if yure going to claim goons are trying to take all of null in any way, you might want to check news sites more often. I doubt dropping two regions from CFC (or Imperium as it is now) is the next step in their nullsec-domination plan. And with NC. dropping renters this is a prime time for the smaller dudes to swarm in and grab what they can hold. And have you considered how many people will target the northern space, simply because they hate goons? I can see plenty of un-used space going either unclaimed or being flip-flopped depending on who shows up. Dropping a few regions and "announcing" the end of the CFC mean nothing as long as CCP allowes them to keep everyone else from holding sov. the only thing Fozzy's new goonsov will do is make it so they can extort others without having to hold the sov themselves. So no one holds the sov. Everyone wins
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2290
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Posted - 2015.04.17 05:35:48 -
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Bowbndr wrote:Rowells wrote:Bowbndr wrote:so what your doing is making it so that your large Goon and CFC friends can just cover all of null sec because they keep people online and running this link, While smaller groups will be pushed out of null completely because they don't have the manpower to constantly defend against these links.
I fail to see how this kind of mechanic helps the little guys at all.
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. if yure going to claim goons are trying to take all of null in any way, you might want to check news sites more often. I doubt dropping two regions from CFC (or Imperium as it is now) is the next step in their nullsec-domination plan. And with NC. dropping renters this is a prime time for the smaller dudes to swarm in and grab what they can hold. And have you considered how many people will target the northern space, simply because they hate goons? I can see plenty of un-used space going either unclaimed or being flip-flopped depending on who shows up. Dropping a few regions and "announcing" the end of the CFC mean nothing as long as CCP allowes them to keep everyone else from holding sov. the only thing Fozzy's new goonsov will do is make it so they can extort others without having to hold the sov themselves. Dropping sov means nobody gets sov. Neat.
If thats the case, I guess taking all the sov means everyone gets sov? |
Cade Windstalker
Donohue Enterprises Ad-Astra
389
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Posted - 2015.04.17 05:38:32 -
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Bowbndr wrote:Dropping a few regions and "announcing" the end of the CFC mean nothing as long as CCP allowes them to keep everyone else from holding sov. the only thing Fozzy's new goonsov will do is make it so they can extort others without having to hold the sov themselves.
It's an interesting theory, but they could also, in theory, do this now. They've got a big enough cap fleet, deep enough pockets, and more than enough members to run around rolling everyone's sov in a nice circle. The thing is that it's impractical in the long run and everyone knows it. Whether or not the CFC successfully rolls around trolling Sov is going to depend heavily on the final mechanics and how everyone reacts to them. My bet is this is another one of those "great in theory, doesn't quite work in practice" things. |
Bowbndr
Twisted Metal Inc. Northern Associates.
12
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Posted - 2015.04.17 20:02:11 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Bowbndr wrote:Dropping a few regions and "announcing" the end of the CFC mean nothing as long as CCP allowes them to keep everyone else from holding sov. the only thing Fozzy's new goonsov will do is make it so they can extort others without having to hold the sov themselves. It's an interesting theory, but they could also, in theory, do this now. They've got a big enough cap fleet, deep enough pockets, and more than enough members to run around rolling everyone's sov in a nice circle. The thing is that it's impractical in the long run and everyone knows it. Whether or not the CFC successfully rolls around trolling Sov is going to depend heavily on the final mechanics and how everyone reacts to them. My bet is this is another one of those "great in theory, doesn't quite work in practice" things.
The problem for doing it now is that they would have to pay sov bill for any systems they take. Under the new system they can kill systems for other groups in the game with next to no risk on their part and they don't have to roll with a structure bashing fleet. just send in fleets with their new toy from CCP Fozzy and they can kill all reason to do anything in Null.
if you think about it is actualy a vary smart move for them to "give up" their regions. They get to loose their sov bill and yet I would be willing to bet that they keep collecting "Rent" from the area. |
Bowbndr
Twisted Metal Inc. Northern Associates.
12
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:46:20 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Bowbndr wrote:Rowells wrote:Bowbndr wrote:so what your doing is making it so that your large Goon and CFC friends can just cover all of null sec because they keep people online and running this link, While smaller groups will be pushed out of null completely because they don't have the manpower to constantly defend against these links.
I fail to see how this kind of mechanic helps the little guys at all.
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. if yure going to claim goons are trying to take all of null in any way, you might want to check news sites more often. I doubt dropping two regions from CFC (or Imperium as it is now) is the next step in their nullsec-domination plan. And with NC. dropping renters this is a prime time for the smaller dudes to swarm in and grab what they can hold. And have you considered how many people will target the northern space, simply because they hate goons? I can see plenty of un-used space going either unclaimed or being flip-flopped depending on who shows up. Dropping a few regions and "announcing" the end of the CFC mean nothing as long as CCP allowes them to keep everyone else from holding sov. the only thing Fozzy's new goonsov will do is make it so they can extort others without having to hold the sov themselves. So no one holds the sov. Everyone wins
I don't think I would say everyone wins. I think that the large blocks win because they don't have to pay sov bills anymore. all these little corps that try to make it in Null have to pay not only the sov bill, but whatever extortion the big blocks want to not kill their sov. sounds more like the only ones who win are the big power blocks.
Wonder why they all seam to be dropping their sov??? |
Bowbndr
Twisted Metal Inc. Northern Associates.
12
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:49:05 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Bowbndr wrote:Dropping a few regions and "announcing" the end of the CFC mean nothing as long as CCP allowes them to keep everyone else from holding sov. the only thing Fozzy's new goonsov will do is make it so they can extort others without having to hold the sov themselves. It's an interesting theory, but they could also, in theory, do this now. They've got a big enough cap fleet, deep enough pockets, and more than enough members to run around rolling everyone's sov in a nice circle. The thing is that it's impractical in the long run and everyone knows it. Whether or not the CFC successfully rolls around trolling Sov is going to depend heavily on the final mechanics and how everyone reacts to them. My bet is this is another one of those "great in theory, doesn't quite work in practice" things.
My personal feeling is that Fozzy's Goonsov is going to be the biggest blow to eve EVER. I cant remember anything in the 5 year that I have been playing that has the potential to do so much damage to the eve community. |
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