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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2011.12.03 02:54:00 -
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Comprehension:
Hulkageddon is an event with the primary goal of blowing up as many Hulks and other mining ships as possible in a given time period.
Statistics:
There has yet to be a single Hulkageddon event that blew up more then 1% of the total hulks on the grid at the time of the event.
The Majority of Hulk kills took place in low sec or null.
During hulkageddon events the average number of Hulks killed during the time period of the event is only 1-3% more than if there was no event. (Helicity Boson)
Commentary:
I noticed during several of the hulkageddon events the people who were supposed to be dedicated participants were unwilling to travel a few systems to meet their prey. Whats more? The same people who complained about low sec status preventing them from helping in high sec were afraid of or complacent about the idea of traveling deep into null sec to continue the hunt.
Conclusion:
Hulkageddon should no longer be a yearly occurrence, the entirety of it should be done away with as a tradition and in it's place people should participate in Hulkpocolypse. Hulkpocolypse takes place 365 days a year, every year from this point on. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:03:00 -
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Previous Hulkageddons have always been diffused and relatively uncoordinated. IIRC, Hulkageddon V or whatever is going to improve on that.
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Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
4
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:13:00 -
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MAX Hulkageddon 
Rescuing fanbois from haters since 2003-, |
Bernie Nator
Insidious Design
Talocan United
15
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:24:00 -
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I like where this thread is going. Pew pew! |
Intar Medris Medris
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:50:00 -
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And if you intent is to massivly inflate already high mineral prices gank away. Your favorite ganking ships, ammo, missles... etc will get more expensive and us poor defensless miners will laugh our asses off as we roll in the pile of ISK that rolls in. Trit for example is the highest I have seen in a long time avg 3 ISK in many regions. |
Teh Frog
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:53:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Comprehension:
Hulkageddon is an event with the primary goal of blowing up as many Hulks and other mining ships as possible in a given time period.
Statistics:
There has yet to be a single Hulkageddon event that blew up more then 1% of the total hulks on the grid at the time of the event.
The Majority of Hulk kills took place in low sec or null.
During hulkageddon events the average number of Hulks killed during the time period of the event is only 1-3% more than if there was no event. (Helicity Boson)
Commentary:
I noticed during several of the hulkageddon events the people who were supposed to be dedicated participants were unwilling to travel a few systems to meet their prey. Whats more? The same people who complained about low sec status preventing them from helping in high sec were afraid of or complacent about the idea of traveling deep into null sec to continue the hunt.
Conclusion:
Hulkageddon should no longer be a yearly occurrence, the entirety of it should be done away with as a tradition and in it's place people should participate in Hulkpocolypse. Hulkpocolypse takes place 365 days a year, every year from this point on.
....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddddd?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
79
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Posted - 2011.12.03 04:38:00 -
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We have dates yet? I need to know my window to get my sec status up |
Captain Nathaniel Butler
The White Company
100
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Posted - 2011.12.03 04:47:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:We have dates yet? I need to know my window to get my sec status up
Just early 2012 so far |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:10:00 -
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Intar Medris Medris wrote:And if you intent is to massivly inflate already high mineral prices gank away. Your favorite ganking ships, ammo, missles... etc will get more expensive and us poor defensless miners will laugh our asses off as we roll in the pile of ISK that rolls in. Trit for example is the highest I have seen in a long time avg 3 ISK in many regions.
Since I'm a career miner who prides himself in mining, let me give you my 3-ISK worth:
1. Falling minerals prices are what made mining such an under-appreciated profession in the first place. As of today, it's the equivalent of being a Walmart employee (overworked and underpaid).
2. Career gankers help bring the prices up so that mining can finally bring more profit from buyers per hour of mining.
and finally, but my biggest gripe...
3. Judging from your post, you seem to pride yourself in mining for long hours for less and less ISK/hour as the mineral prices fall. No self-respecting miner would allow him/herself to be happy with such meager profits. Therefore, by logic alone, you are either bullshitting yourself into thinking you're a big shot with your flimsy margins or you are a botter. If you are the former, I hope someone ganks you for being a fool. If you are the latter, I have a gank-fitted Talos and its large ammo has your name on it. |
Intar Medris Medris
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:32:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Intar Medris Medris wrote:And if you intent is to massivly inflate already high mineral prices gank away. Your favorite ganking ships, ammo, missles... etc will get more expensive and us poor defensless miners will laugh our asses off as we roll in the pile of ISK that rolls in. Trit for example is the highest I have seen in a long time avg 3 ISK in many regions. 3. Judging from your post, you seem to pride yourself in mining for long hours for less and less ISK/hour as the mineral prices fall. No self-respecting miner would allow him/herself to be happy with such meager profits. Therefore, by logic alone, you are either bullshitting yourself into thinking you're a big shot with your flimsy margins or you are a botter. If you are the former, I hope someone ganks you for being a fool. If you are the latter, I have a gank-fitted Talos and its large ammo has your name on it.
Well lets get this straight.
1. I was around over a year ago when Trit prices tanked from 2.70 to 1.70 in just around two months. Everyother mineral followed suite. Loosing profitablity.
2. 4 months ago prices were still ****, now Trit has almost doubled, and my fav high sec mineral Noxium is up from 330 isk to 430 isk per unit. A mass ganking of Hulks will result in only one thing. Prices only going higher. Hell I hope to see Trit double what it is now and Noxium selling at 800 or more. It would be fantastic. Imagine pulling in 6 mil a haul and not an hour in high sec. Heck we could do it without a mass ganking. We mine it we control the prices, but to many miners and corps want a quick buck, and a Consortium of miners is imposible because of it.
3. Any ganker that thinks a Hulkegeddon will gank more than 1% of all Hulks is full of it. Hulk pilots outnumber you by a large margin. |
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HaxTis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:41:00 -
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haha hulk 'pilots' that's like captaining a surfboard in a kiddie pool |
Intar Medris Medris
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:56:00 -
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Hulkegeddon would be more succesful if ADHD wannabe pirates would only focus on Hulks, and not everything with a mining laser. Seriously you guys gank more indys than you do Hulks. |
thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights
Galactic System Lords Alliance
33
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Posted - 2011.12.03 07:19:00 -
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Quote:3. Judging from your post, you seem to pride yourself in mining for long hours for less and less ISK/hour
you dont read crime and punishment much do you? |
Ahrieman
Heretic Army
1
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Posted - 2011.12.03 07:23:00 -
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Failure might be an overstatement, but more hulks need to die. That's for sure |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
79
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Posted - 2011.12.03 08:21:00 -
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Intar Medris Medris wrote:Hulkegeddon would be more succesful if ADHD wannabe pirates would only focus on Hulks, and not everything with a mining laser. Seriously you guys gank more indys than you do Hulks.
Feeding frenzy, what can be said?  |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.12.03 11:31:00 -
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Intar Medris Medris wrote:miners will laugh our asses off as we roll in the pile of ISK that rolls in.
Not a hulkageddon fan allthoug it does not influence or involve what i do in eve i had to quote this , seeing the words miners and pile of isk in the same sentence is kinda cute .  |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
87
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Posted - 2011.12.03 11:39:00 -
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mmmm more tears.
ITT a poster that is still mad with jealousy about not having come up with it first. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
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Posted - 2011.12.03 11:42:00 -
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Unfunny bollocks that simply isn't true, This thread needs a lock and the OP shouid be banned for talking complete crap.
(a&a_a&b) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a&a_a&b)
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
409
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Posted - 2011.12.03 11:55:00 -
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Helicity puts forth great effort and much fanfare always accompanies it. It is fun, controversial and generates more concentrated tears for the research community-tears which have could have life saving potential!
With CCP's continued nerfing of the ganking lifestyle, I fear for events to come. I find their actions most displeasing and am not certain for the duration of time I will be able to countenance these transgressions against persons with a criminal playstyle everywhere in New Eden.
This event is a ray of hope for us all. -1 OP
If Women aren't supposed to do the cooking, why are their bodies full of milk and eggs? |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
152
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Posted - 2011.12.03 12:07:00 -
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Hey Xenuria, your posts are pretty stupid and all, but your portrait flips my switches like it's time to enter the nuclear launch codes.
That's right; looking at your character's face literally feels like two military dudes turning a pair of keys inside me in a synchronized manner. |
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:05:00 -
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Intar Medris Medris wrote:Hulkegeddon would be more succesful if ADHD wannabe pirates would only focus on Hulks, and not everything with a mining laser. Seriously you guys gank more indys than you do Hulks.
The problem is once Hulkageddon starts, the Hulk pilots will simply switch to Covetors or super-slow-mining Industrials to mitigate their loses. Therefore, it's not like the gankers have any choice in the matter. Although, ganking a bunch of freighters with tons of goodies will become more common now that we have tier 3 battlecruisers with battleship DPS.
Also, I agree with your post that there are too many miners out there that simply dump their minerals into the market carelessly and in mass. This reduces the value of the minerals (which is already added to the list of **** that we already know). If more miners were to simply (at least voluntarily) dump less minerals into the market at prices that are higher than the regional average (and not at the first available buy order they see) then we can see prices go up. But unfortunately, too many miners have become impatient and wouldn't want to wait a single week to wait for a sell order to clear out and they just continuously dump the minerals in mass with no control.
As for me, I have control. I am careful not to sell too many minerals in my local market and I sell them with the highest price tolerable. But for now, since Hulkageddon is coming this February (based on the forums discussions), I have been focusing my minerals in the production of Destroyers and their respective modules. Now that Dessies no longer suffer the pains of the RoF penalty, I expect to see gankers lining up for these things. And if I want to buy minerals for production, then I am careful not to price my buy orders too low because I like to give a little more to the miners who put in effort to get them. |
Xolve
Insomniacs.
75
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:09:00 -
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Intar Medris Medris wrote:And if you intent is to massivly inflate already high mineral prices gank away. Your favorite ganking ships, ammo, missles... etc will get more expensive and us poor defensless miners will laugh our asses off as we roll in the pile of ISK that rolls in. Trit for example is the highest I have seen in a long time avg 3 ISK in many regions.
You say this like gankers have any shortage of income.. or have any concern about the cost of fitting out a few dozen thrashers to lay waste with.
This is my Forum, There are many like it, but this one is MINE.Without my Forum, I am useless.Without me, My Forum is useless. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
29
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:10:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Intar Medris Medris wrote:Hulkegeddon would be more succesful if ADHD wannabe pirates would only focus on Hulks, and not everything with a mining laser. Seriously you guys gank more indys than you do Hulks. The problem is once Hulkageddon starts, the Hulk pilots will simply switch to Covetors or super-slow-mining Industrials to mitigate their loses.
That is why you need to do it year round... |
Intar Medris Medris
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:07:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:Intar Medris Medris wrote:Hulkegeddon would be more succesful if ADHD wannabe pirates would only focus on Hulks, and not everything with a mining laser. Seriously you guys gank more indys than you do Hulks. The problem is once Hulkageddon starts, the Hulk pilots will simply switch to Covetors or super-slow-mining Industrials to mitigate their loses. That is why you need to do it year round...
Year round wouldn't work for you guys. You need a sec status higher than -2.0 in order to move your ganking systems around without CONCORD blowing you skyhigh. It doesn't take much to lose sec status, but could take days or even weeks to recover it to where you can go ganking some more. Even with a perfect 10.0 you will only only be able to gank everyday for a couple weeks. The reason why Hulkegeddon only last 2-3 weeks. I am pretty sure most of you would just get bored after doing this a couple months. Gank, go back to low or null, rat, and gank again. It would become as repetitive, and boring as mining. An extended Hulkegeddon is possible, but year round is highly unlikely. I think Helicity Boson knew that. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
265
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:14:00 -
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Intar Medris Medris wrote:Xenuria wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:Intar Medris Medris wrote:Hulkegeddon would be more succesful if ADHD wannabe pirates would only focus on Hulks, and not everything with a mining laser. Seriously you guys gank more indys than you do Hulks. The problem is once Hulkageddon starts, the Hulk pilots will simply switch to Covetors or super-slow-mining Industrials to mitigate their loses. That is why you need to do it year round... Year round wouldn't work for you guys. You need a sec status higher than -2.0 in order to move your ganking systems around without CONCORD blowing you skyhigh. It doesn't take much to lose sec status, but could take days or even weeks to recover it to where you can go ganking some more. Even with a perfect 10.0 you will only only be able to gank everyday for a couple weeks. The reason why Hulkegeddon only last 2-3 weeks. I am pretty sure most of you would just get bored after doing this a couple months. Gank, go back to low or null, rat, and gank again. It would become as repetitive, and boring as mining. An extended Hulkegeddon is possible, but year round is highly unlikely. I think Helicity Boson knew that.
Wow so wrong.
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Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
265
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:23:00 -
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http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13860606
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13690214
lol
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Intar Medris Medris
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:31:00 -
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Why would a Hulk need a cap recharger. It could easily mine a full cargo hold with 3 Invul feilds going the whole time. That is if you have the basic energy managment skills. Even then unless you are in some really deep **** you don't need need all three. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
29
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:33:00 -
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I am not here to answer for why an alternative may or may not work. I am however saying that an alternative is needed if you want to have any impact whatsoever.
Sec status is not that hard to get back up if you have you're fast talk skill at level 5 and you hop from system to system killing a pirate each system. The problem is people are lazy and complacent.
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Thorin Kwark
Oberon Enterprises Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 20:50:00 -
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Intar Medris Medris wrote:And if you intent is to massivly inflate already high mineral prices gank away. Your favorite ganking ships, ammo, missles... etc will get more expensive and us poor defensless miners will laugh our asses off as we roll in the pile of ISK that rolls in. Trit for example is the highest I have seen in a long time avg 3 ISK in many regions.
Trit was at 11.40 to 12.15 when I started palying, want to bet it goes past that? |
Yaaar's Revenge
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2011.12.03 22:55:00 -
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What's that Lassie? OP is a ******? |
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