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Steppa Musana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2015.02.28 21:35:03 -
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I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps.
Leave highsec. |
ashley Eoner
451
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Posted - 2015.02.28 21:37:30 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Musashi IV wrote:I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. SInce the last time industry stepped into some major Fozzie in Odyssey, ice mining has gone and got replaced with new mechanics called "ice camping". This means you gotta camp your ice for 4 hours to get your 20-30 icicles, then camp somewhere else. Consequently, it means nobody in hisec is getting any substantial amounts of ice anymore, and profitability of it has gone down the drain. Like I said when this change got implemented, well, Fozzie happens. Mining were also covered with Fozzie that patch, so it took 5 buffs to remove most of the Fozzie stains from it, some still remain, odds are the stench they gave is permanent. That said, regular mining recovered about 75% of potential it had before being Fozzified, even though things like hisec mining for hisec manufacturing will never recover, and the safety of mining has gone from "need a piece of brain and preparation to screw the miner" to "warp and press F1, you can do it even with goon IQ (or lack thereof)". Right now, L4s, even despite being nerfed belt-high into the ground, give better ISK/hour results than mining, but, unlike proper mining OP, they are incredibly boring, almost reaching the bottom-of-the-barrel boredom of ship pvp. I totally understand what you mean there, but unfortunately, if ice mining was all you fancied, CCP Fozzie has closed eve for you with Odyssey expansion. I suggest trying exploration, maybe it'll occupy you before something changes. PI - no, not profitable at all, since now every POCO on hisec is player-owned, you're just making the owners rich, getting nothing for yourself. Mining with Makinaws is too unsafe with the series of buffs to the easies thing in eve - suicide wanking. Blueprints research is too niche, datacore farming is quite a bother and requires some not very useful skills, but you may try those, since it doesn't require you to be online much. A popular myth of eve that station trading is profitable is false, but it may also occupy you for a few timespans per day. Try these, and wait for changes, and if waiting is becoming too bothersome, take a break, don't push yourself to like something you don't like. Ice prices are only as high as they are BECAUSE of the limited supply. That inflation of the price was murdered by the drop in demand thanks to the jump changes. Give the playerbase an infinite supply as before and you'll watch ice prices crash to levels that leave veldspar as more profitable. Sure you would be able to mine ice all day but you'd be lucky to clear 10m in a mackinaw with 10 hours of mining. |
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
967
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Posted - 2015.02.28 21:41:20 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps.
Leave highsec.
That's fascinating. What system are you in?
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Shut up, Anslo. --everyone
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Serene Repose
2314
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Posted - 2015.02.28 22:12:09 -
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"Any man can master a grief save he who has one." - Willie the Shake -
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
548
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Posted - 2015.02.28 22:48:03 -
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All I read was about the OP and his accounts. Was he the ice mining corporation that destructed? For a second it seemed this affected a bunch of players. Unless multiple accounts...where's my waders?
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
1921
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Posted - 2015.02.28 22:54:56 -
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Musashi IV wrote:I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted.
So jump into a catalyst and go pop some mining ships! |
Bagatur I
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2015.02.28 23:59:41 -
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Musashi IV wrote:Abrazzar wrote:I'd say you have to move systems. I have several char in different locations looking for ice. Their are so many players ice mining that all ice is gone withen 1 hour.
the place I mine in occasionally have anywhere from 15 to 20 in ice belts with full mining boosts. it takes over 2 hours to deplete the belt. so yeah, you are full of it. |
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
282
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Posted - 2015.03.01 02:06:18 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:You don't need ice. You need a set of balls. There is plenty of ice in quiet parts of low sec. Of course, you can't do that if you're a brain dead miner so I guess that doesn't work?
This. I know a low sec 0.4 system adjacent to two 0.5 systems that has an ice belt that I've never seen mined when I'm online. And there is rarely anyone in system.
Stop the whining.
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1937
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Posted - 2015.03.01 05:39:05 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps.
Leave highsec. Don't even have to leave highsec, I see untouched Ice Belts in high sec even. Though obviously not with only blues (since highsec is the hole in the blue doughnut). But that 'only blues' will change anyway when Sov gets sorted properly. However that's beside the point, you can get untouched Ice in highsec. And 2500 Units takes a while. |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
124
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Posted - 2015.03.01 06:43:47 -
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Bagatur I wrote:Musashi IV wrote:Abrazzar wrote:I'd say you have to move systems. I have several char in different locations looking for ice. Their are so many players ice mining that all ice is gone withen 1 hour. the place I mine in occasionally have anywhere from 15 to 20 in ice belts with full mining boosts. it takes over 2 hours to deplete the belt. so yeah, you are full of it.
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Steppa Musana wrote:I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps.
Leave highsec. Don't even have to leave highsec, I see untouched Ice Belts in high sec even. Though obviously not with only blues (since highsec is the hole in the blue doughnut). But that 'only blues' will change anyway when Sov gets sorted properly. However that's beside the point, you can get untouched Ice in highsec. And 2500 Units takes a while.
2500 units are like 20 miner-hours at most, even in Procurers (assuming proper boosts). 15 if you're using yield fits, but it's currently kind of blue-donut-only strategy. 20 people should get it done real quick, and fill like 1 Orca and their barges for each party. Which is, with current prices, about 15-18 million ISK per account per hour. Meeeeeeeeeeeh.
People camp ice when they need ice, mining ice for profit is dead and gone.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
4
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Posted - 2015.03.01 06:58:35 -
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Basically what you have here is a misinterpretation of the underlying problem: Too many players in high sec.
They hide there with the excuse of not liking pvp, null sec being too scary, the big coalitions will destroy them, their friends are in high sec - the list goes on - just to avoid moving out to WH space or null as would be natural progression for any player in the past.
But who can blame them, once the fighter nerf goes through, due to the decrease in value of deadspace mods (thank you Rhea) you can literally make more money in high sec incursions than most null activities. But thanksfully WH space still makes more (thank god, more risk deserves more reward)
The problem we have here is CCP failing us in giving their players a reason to leave high security space. Simple enough.
PS - don't complain about your baby ice belts in empire space, grow a pair and move to null. You don't have to be a master of all doctrine ships to contribute and be accepted into a null alliance, bring your friends! |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
283
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Posted - 2015.03.01 07:41:08 -
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Mine Scordite, Plag, even Veld, OP.
15 mill an hr in a Skiff, mining Scordite is what I average. Even if you had unlimited Ice you wouldn't make that. |
Serene Repose
2318
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Posted - 2015.03.01 10:45:05 -
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Ptraci wrote:Musashi IV wrote:I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted. So jump into a catalyst and go pop some mining ships! Yeah! Simple pleasures for simple minds!
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
124
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Posted - 2015.03.01 11:26:20 -
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Nasar Vyron wrote:Basically what you have here is a misinterpretation of the underlying problem: Too many players in high sec.
They hide there with the excuse of not liking pvp, null sec being too scary, the big coalitions will destroy them, their friends are in high sec - the list goes on - just to avoid moving out to WH space or null as would be natural progression for any player in the past.
I've been living in Providence long enough to assure you ice camping there is even worse. At least you don't get rorqualdrops and insta-20-hulks on your ice in hisec. What would you say next, too many people in Providence is the problem?
Nasar Vyron wrote:But who can blame them, once the fighter nerf goes through, due to the decrease in value of deadspace mods (thank you Rhea) you can literally make more money in high sec incursions than most null activities. But thanksfully WH space still makes more (thank god, more risk deserves more reward)
The problem we have here is CCP failing us in giving their players a reason to leave high security space. Simple enough. Of course, the old stupid argument that every hisec player instantly jumps into incursions to get spacerich. Because concord LP are not devaluable, and payouts per face almost reach a bounty tick of ratting Afktar. Not to mention extremely low availability and extremely high screwability of incursion running. At least you don't cry about L4 like goonies, then again, L4 were already screwed, mining were screwed, and trading is getting screwed by series of suicide wanking buffs and industrial nerfs, and POCOs screwed hisec PI. Odyssey also screwed hisec exploration, and since half hisec escalations lead to lowsec and forbidden for T3s, hisec complex running is also dulled.
Right now, I must say hisec is in shape so bad that goonies who cried about it in fear must be happy now. There is nothing you can do in there to avoid getting broke.
Nasar Vyron wrote:PS - don't complain about your baby ice belts in empire space, grow a pair and move to null. You don't have to be a master of all doctrine ships to contribute and be accepted into a null alliance, bring your friends! You have to wag your tail and be obedient pet to be accepted, this has always been the truth.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
854
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Posted - 2015.03.01 12:13:52 -
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Musashi IV wrote:If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk. So you use your very limited free time to play the most boring minigame in all of gaming?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
124
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Posted - 2015.03.01 12:14:57 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Musashi IV wrote:If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk. So you use your very limited free time to play the most boring minigame in all of gaming? You mean combat pvp?
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
236
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Posted - 2015.03.01 14:07:51 -
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Please post more success stories of CCP bringing down the appeal of botting.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
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Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
109
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Posted - 2015.03.01 14:47:08 -
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@OP
Find yourself a more quiet system with less competition. Highsec islands tend to have far less people around. Use courier contracts (e.g. RedFrog) to get your equipment out there, if you are afraid, to haul it on your own.
Your Orca is giving you a higher boost on ore mining, than on ice mining. I don't know the exact numbers right now, but fully skilled i think it was around 48% max boost for ice and 70% for ore. This and the price drop of ice would make it equally, if not even more profitable, to mine ore instead of ice. Ore asteroids are a lot smaller in size of course, so you'd have to switch targets more often, which is more work, than ice mining. But, on the other hand, you don't have to wait 4 hours for ore to spawn.
(And, of course, there is always the option to go to Low / Null.) |
Wraith Soulsark
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
0
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Posted - 2015.03.01 15:07:10 -
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Laura Gosh wrote:Musashi IV wrote:Sibyyl wrote: Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income?
Sounds like a great reason to me.
If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk. In that case.. move to a system with ice (which i'm guessing you already have done) and PRIMARILY hit the normal ore belts for ISK... then.. if you see the icebelt on probe scanner.. GOGOGOGOG ICE RUSH (like everyone else does) Yes.. the ice will despawn very quickly because everyone wants to mine it.. (hence why its called an ice RUSH).. but the ore belts will remain there for you to mine after the belts are depleted If you want to make money to pay for your accounts.. continue your mining.. but also consider the following 1: highsec PI -- choose a planet close to a tradehub and buy the ingredients for coolant (water + electrolytes 40x each manufacturing job) import them to the planet of your choice and create coolant.. export the coolant and resell at tradehub for profit (protip -- only use planets with 15% or lower taxation.. you can find the tax details on the information panel of the customs office of each planet -- sidenote: these may change on occasion.. and also another sidenote: -- check out the trade skills for a skill called 'Custom Office Expertise' this will reduce your NPC tax (max of 10%) by 10% each level (level 5 in this skill = 5% NPC tax + whatever the corporation owner of the customs office put on it) 2: Datacore farming http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Datacore_Farming 3: Research and Development of BPO's Buy BPO's and make them PERFECT.. resell them for profit This takes some skil and knowledge about what BPO's will be profitable and what are not, but the more your research the better 4: Moon mining -- only possible to do in 0.4 (YES 0.4.. it used to be 0.3 but you can do it in 0.4 now.. CCP changed the moons in 0.4 space some updates ago) FYI -- I have 4 accounts (12 characters in total) each of them is trained up for highsec PI, mining, datacore farmining and development of BPO's.. If i remember right.. i currently have 72 planets making various things (this alone gives me an average of around 2-3 billion every 30 days) datacore mining gives me around 800-900 million every 30 days researching BPO's gives me around 4-5 billion every 30 days (sometimes more depending on the BPO's..) and this is on top of my normal mining --- if i can do it.. why not you?
Unlike the normal herpa derp move to low sec move to null wh blah blah blah this was a very informative detailed and helpful post well done and thank you
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Laura Gosh
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.03.01 15:18:33 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:There is a solution to your woes... but frankly, with ice price going down, the last thing anybody needs are competitors. Nothing personal. BTW, some Amarran systems still have permanent, old fashioned ice belts. Demand and price are not the best but there you can mine at your heart's pleasure anytime, and for as long as you want.
Wait.... there are still permanent ice belts out there?
That's news to me -- care to fill me in on the details, what systems etc? just out of curiosity
Thanks o/ |
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Laura Gosh
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.03.01 15:23:09 -
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Wraith Soulsark wrote:
Unlike the normal herpa derp move to low sec move to null wh blah blah blah this was a very informative detailed and helpful post well done and thank you
You're welcome |
Killian Trystan
Unity Ventures
3
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Posted - 2015.03.01 20:27:28 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time.
I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance.
Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more.
And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" *closes ticket*
So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
6107
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Posted - 2015.03.01 20:27:43 -
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Out of curiosity: How much bounty do you need to put on a, say, retriever pilot, to make it profitable to gank? How much for a Skiff? An Orca? A freighter?
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy
173
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Posted - 2015.03.01 20:38:16 -
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Musashi IV wrote:I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining. I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted.
If your mining for isk to plex your accounts, you're not really a paying subscriber and as such you aren't a priority for CCP, more of an after thought really. As you've stated someone else is always available to mine those belts and keep the market fed.
Branch out, expand your horizons and look for a new more lucrative, efficient, and perhaps more entertaining way to plex your account(s) imho. |
Nathan Semah
N-C-i-S
3
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Posted - 2015.03.01 20:42:33 -
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Killian Trystan wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time. I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance. Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more. And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" *closes ticket* So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting.
Multiboxing isn't botting try not to confuse the two. Multiboxing if perfectly legal within the rules laid down by CCP (subject to change), Botting however is not. |
Killian Trystan
Unity Ventures
3
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Posted - 2015.03.01 20:48:54 -
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Nathan Semah wrote:Killian Trystan wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time. I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance. Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more. And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" *closes ticket* So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting. Multiboxing isn't botting try not to confuse the two. Multiboxing if perfectly legal within the rules laid down by CCP (subject to change), Botting however is not.
So someone using a Macro program isn't botting? /raises-eyebrow Because according to a ticket I sent to CCP, what they're doing is botting. |
Nathan Semah
N-C-i-S
3
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Posted - 2015.03.01 20:53:28 -
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Killian Trystan wrote:Nathan Semah wrote:Killian Trystan wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time. I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance. Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more. And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" *closes ticket* So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting. Multiboxing isn't botting try not to confuse the two. Multiboxing if perfectly legal within the rules laid down by CCP (subject to change), Botting however is not. So someone using a Macro program isn't botting? /raises-eyebrow Because according to a ticket I sent to CCP, what they're doing is botting.
That's not what I said, I said multiboxing is not botting try not to confuse the two.
Yes if you believe these people are botting then by all means keep reporting them. if however it turns out this person(s) are multiboxing with in the rules then they are perfectly entitled to continue what they are doing |
Killian Trystan
Unity Ventures
3
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Posted - 2015.03.01 20:55:39 -
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Nathan Semah wrote:Killian Trystan wrote:Nathan Semah wrote:Killian Trystan wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice. Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time. I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance. Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more. And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" *closes ticket* So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting. Multiboxing isn't botting try not to confuse the two. Multiboxing if perfectly legal within the rules laid down by CCP (subject to change), Botting however is not. So someone using a Macro program isn't botting? /raises-eyebrow Because according to a ticket I sent to CCP, what they're doing is botting. That's not what I said, I said multiboxing is not botting try not to confuse the two. Yes if you believe these people are botting then by all means keep reporting them. if however it turns out this person(s) are multiboxing with in the rules then they are perfectly entitled to continue what they are doing
I would wonder how a multiboxer would be within the rules if the entire fleet's mining lasers all start at the exact same time, on the same ice asteroid... |
Nathan Semah
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Posted - 2015.03.01 21:00:10 -
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Killian Trystan wrote: I would wonder how a multiboxer would be within the rules if the entire fleet's mining lasers all start at the exact same time, on the same ice asteroid...
Hence the reason if you believe they are doing something wrong then report them. Just don't automaticly assume because they are multiboxing that they are botting/cheating. |
Killian Trystan
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Posted - 2015.03.01 21:04:47 -
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Nathan Semah wrote:Killian Trystan wrote: I would wonder how a multiboxer would be within the rules if the entire fleet's mining lasers all start at the exact same time, on the same ice asteroid...
Hence the reason if you believe they are doing something wrong then report them. Just don't automaticly assume because they are multiboxing that they are botting/cheating.
I know that there's a difference. It's just that the majority of these fleets are obviously bots when they all start actions at the exact same time. And I'm not meaning fleet warping, as in start lasers at the same time, moving through the ice belt at the same time, all ejecting their cans at precisely the same moment etc. |
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