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CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.03.06 09:06:52 -
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Hizumi Mizushiro wrote:CCP Snorlax wrote: The tool currently only works for Windows - I'm starting work on Mac support - hopefully this will help us figure out some of the Mac issues we're having in the launcher. If any brave soul out there wants to help with this on the Mac, the source is out there.
Would love to help you test it out; soon as you can figure out how to not depend on the winreg module to fetch rescache path information I'm looking into exactly that as we speak!
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB
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Hizumi Mizushiro
Earth Alliance Expeditionary Force
1
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Posted - 2015.03.06 09:59:17 -
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CCP Snorlax wrote: I'm looking into exactly that as we speak!
Issue 1: bypassed winreg module by hardcoding path to rescache
Issue 2: resfileindex.txt is buried deep inside multi level hidden (in osx at least) paths via multiple application wrappers and the wine/cider windows emulation directories (10 by my count on my .app)
Most users may know how to run python script in terminal - they may not know they need to dig that deep into eve's application. Suggest adding argv parsing and adding a parameter for osx to request path to eve online.app and manually pathing to the wine/windows eve installation folder.
Result: verify works (currently on 13000/62780 files)
EDIT: all files successfully checked
deleted random directory download works and fetches missing files re-verify checks out |
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CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
670
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Posted - 2015.03.06 10:11:53 -
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Hizumi Mizushiro wrote:CCP Snorlax wrote: I'm looking into exactly that as we speak!
Issue 1: bypassed winreg module by hardcoding path to rescache Issue 2: resfileindex.txt is buried deep inside multi level hidden (in osx at least) paths via multiple application wrappers and the wine/cider windows emulation directories (10 by my count on my .app) Most users may know how to run python script in terminal - they may not know they need to dig that deep into eve's application. Suggest adding argv parsing and adding a parameter for osx to request path to eve online.app and manually pathing to the wine/windows eve installation folder. Result: verify works (currently on 13000/62780 files) EDIT: all files successfully checked deleted random directory download works and fetches missing files re-verify checks out OS X 10.9.5 on 2011 MPB
Good to hear this is working. I'm sorting out these issues right now, hope to have an update later today.
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB
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Gerart en Daire
EVE University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:55:01 -
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Worrff wrote:A few queries that I hope someone who has carried this out can help with. The Devs stopped monitoring this thread some time ago, as they do. ...
"As they do"... on weekends. The thread was started on the 25th (Wednesday), with regular dev replies until 20:00 UTC on Friday 27th and even one reply on Saturday. Granted, they didn't get back to the thread until Wednesday, which was a bit frustrating.
I was going to ask if they had/why hadn't Salpun and Nolan Katulan tried out my workaround for a crashing launcher/bypassing the launcher completely*, but hopefully the new launcher version and CCP Snorlax's new tool have made the need for that *mostly* obsolete (still need repair.exe --server=sisi if the launcher isn't patching the rest of the game files, since the new tool is only for the cache, I think?).
*Assuming their main goal was to get on Singularity, rather than just troubleshooting the launcher issues. |
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CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
670
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:55:21 -
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The rescache tool described above should now work on the Mac as well. I'll need to investigate the best way of packaging this with the client so you don't have to get it from GitHub.
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB
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Amarisen Gream
The ArK's Hammer ArK Alliance
65
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Posted - 2015.03.06 14:57:10 -
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Would love to try this out, but it seems the link from the Dev Blog for the mac client is 404
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Sarmatiko
1674
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Posted - 2015.03.06 18:50:21 -
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CCP Snorlax wrote:I hope this turns out to be a useful tool. This is really useful tool
Diff result for my cache now:
Scanning index, checking for missing files
No missing files 51372 extra files (8.95GB)
This is exactly what I've suspected, when just after priming cache for the first time (extracted 11 Gb from stuff), launcher started downloading 8.5Gb of new relevant resources. Maybe stuff extracting process was flawed?
ps: I wonder how this tool will handle different servers and/or EVE Probe at the same time? |
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CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
673
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Posted - 2015.03.06 20:13:06 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:CCP Snorlax wrote:I hope this turns out to be a useful tool. This is really useful tool Diff result for my cache now: Scanning index, checking for missing files
No missing files 51372 extra files (8.95GB)This is exactly what I've suspected, when just after priming cache for the first time (extracted 11 Gb from stuff), launcher started downloading 8.5Gb of new relevant resources. Maybe stuff extracting process was flawed? Yes, embarrassingly enough, the first version of the extraction process produced files with wrong names due to a case sensitivity issue. That has been fixed now.
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
828
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Posted - 2015.03.06 20:38:12 -
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Gerart en Daire wrote:Worrff wrote:A few queries that I hope someone who has carried this out can help with. The Devs stopped monitoring this thread some time ago, as they do. ... "As they do"... on weekends. The thread was started on the 25th (Wednesday), with regular dev replies until 20:00 UTC on Friday 27th and even one reply on Saturday. Granted, they didn't get back to the thread until Wednesday, which was a bit frustrating. I was going to ask if they had/why hadn't Salpun and Nolan Katulan tried out my workaround for a crashing launcher/bypassing the launcher completely*, but hopefully the new launcher version and CCP Snorlax's new tool have made the need for that *mostly* obsolete (still need repair.exe --server=sisi if the launcher isn't patching the rest of the game files, since the new tool is only for the cache, I think?). *Assuming their main goal was to get on Singularity, rather than just troubleshooting the launcher issues. Singularity access was never the issue it was the launcher/ computer not doing what I expected it to do. Creating a new file header should give me the permissions to add to it but for some reason the computer was not allowing itself to save files into it. Will have to attempt a third cache file to see if the error handling is now clearer.
If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe.
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Demolishar
United Aggression
1054
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Posted - 2015.03.07 13:47:30 -
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Does this mean clients will share resource caches, reducing the RAM usage of each individual client? |
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CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
675
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Posted - 2015.03.07 15:32:13 -
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Demolishar wrote:Does this mean clients will share resource caches, reducing the RAM usage of each individual client? No, this only affects disk usage.
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB
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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices Masters of Flying Objects
828
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Posted - 2015.03.08 20:04:27 -
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Having issues with the command prompt closing as soon as the rescache program runs. any one else having this issue.
If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide
See you around the universe.
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Ke'Daar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2015.03.09 09:27:58 -
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Gerart en Daire wrote:Worrff wrote:A few queries that I hope someone who has carried this out can help with. The Devs stopped monitoring this thread some time ago, as they do. ... "As they do"... on weekends. The thread was started on the 25th (Wednesday), with regular dev replies until 20:00 UTC on Friday 27th and even one reply on Saturday. Granted, they didn't get back to the thread until Wednesday, which was a bit frustrating. I was going to ask if they had/why hadn't Salpun and Nolan Katulan tried out my workaround for a crashing launcher/bypassing the launcher completely*, but hopefully the new launcher version and CCP Snorlax's new tool have made the need for that *mostly* obsolete (still need repair.exe --server=sisi if the launcher isn't patching the rest of the game files, since the new tool is only for the cache, I think?). *Assuming their main goal was to get on Singularity, rather than just troubleshooting the launcher issues.
Mind helping a fellow Mac user with some detailed instructions on how to use the tool... like what files to get from https://github.com/ccpgames/rescache , where to put them and which ones to run on Mac with the right syntax for running them
I will even say please on my knees |
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CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
677
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Posted - 2015.03.09 11:13:23 -
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Ke'Daar wrote:Mind helping a fellow Mac user with some detailed instructions on how to use the tool... like what files to get from https://github.com/ccpgames/rescache , where to put them and which ones to run on Mac with the right syntax for running them I will even say please on my knees No need to get down on your knees.
I'm not much of a Mac user, so if somebody with more experience would chime in with better instructions, I'd be most grateful.
On the github page linked above, you should see a 'Download ZIP' button on the right hand side. Download and extract the files to a folder - when I tried this in Chrome, it put the file in my Downloads folder and extracted to rescache-master.
Open up a terminal window, change the directory to the rescache-master folder and run 'python rescache.py'.
Use the -i option to tell the tool what resource index file to use - it can either be the full path to the resfileindex.txt in the EVE installation, or simply the name of the app under the Applications folder, for example:
To verify the integrity of files in the cache:
python rescache.py - i "EVE Online Sisi.app" verify
To download any files missing from the cache:
python rescache.py - i "EVE Online Sisi.app" download
To purge any extra files from the cache:
python rescache.py - i "EVE Online Sisi.app" purge
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB
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Ke'Daar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2015.03.09 12:25:25 -
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CCP Snorlax wrote:Ke'Daar wrote:Mind helping a fellow Mac user with some detailed instructions on how to use the tool... like what files to get from https://github.com/ccpgames/rescache , where to put them and which ones to run on Mac with the right syntax for running them I will even say please on my knees No need to get down on your knees. I'm not much of a Mac user, so if somebody with more experience would chime in with better instructions, I'd be most grateful. On the github page linked above, you should see a 'Download ZIP' button on the right hand side. Download and extract the files to a folder - when I tried this in Chrome, it put the file in my Downloads folder and extracted to rescache-master. Open up a terminal window, change the directory to the rescache-master folder and run 'python rescache.py'. Use the -i option to tell the tool what resource index file to use - it can either be the full path to the resfileindex.txt in the EVE installation, or simply the name of the app under the Applications folder, for example: To verify the integrity of files in the cache: python rescache.py - i "EVE Online Sisi.app" verify To download any files missing from the cache: python rescache.py - i "EVE Online Sisi.app" download To purge any extra files from the cache: python rescache.py - i "EVE Online Sisi.app" purge
Thank you kind Sir. It works, however it took me a wee bit to realise there should not be a space between the "-" and the "i" after rescache.py like it is in you post
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CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
677
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Posted - 2015.03.09 12:54:02 -
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Ke'Daar wrote: Thank you kind Sir. It works, however it took me a wee bit to realise there should not be a space between the "-" and the "i" after rescache.py like it is in you post
Doh, sorry about that - don't know how that happened...
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB
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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
83
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Posted - 2015.03.09 23:59:13 -
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Gerart en Daire wrote:Yup, file junction seems to work like a charm. Didn't go past the character selection screen yet, but I have 0 MB in C:\ProgramData\CCP\ where the link/junction is, and 300MB DoD'd to D:\EVEsharedCache, which is were I pointed the link. So, to anyone else who's having their launcher crash, either directly and/or when they try to adjust the settings to move the cache away from C:, try the following: - In your EVE singularity folder (make a copy of the tranquility folder and rename it to something else), create a shortcut of the repair.exe, modify the target line to be ...\repair.exe --server=sisi
- Run the modified repair shortcut, this will patch the Singularity folder to the newest Singularity version, instead of using the launcher to do it.
- Go to \bin\ in your Singularity folder, create a shortcut to exefile.exe (and you may want to move it up one folder level to the Singularity root folder), modify the target line to read ...\bin\exefile.exe /server:Singularity
- At this point you can run the exefile and check that you can login and get to the character selection screen. This will also start downloading the basic stuff (low res ship models etc.) to the cache in C:, but it shouldn't fill up gigabytes in seconds, so no worries.
- Go to C:\ProgramData\CCP\. The path continues with \EVE\SharedCache\ResCache\ and 256 hexadecimal-numbered subfolders, if you started up Singularity with the exefile as advised in the previous point. You can now delete the \EVE\ folder and all subfolders+contents.
- Open the Windows command prompt, doesn't matter what the current location is, type:
mklink /J C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE\ D:\EVEsharedCache (feel free to substitute another target instead of D:\EVEsharedCache) - Go to D: and create the folder D:\EVEsharedCache, if you hadn't earlier (again, feel free to chose another location/name).
- Use the exefile shortcut to start up EVE again, DoD should be downloading filed to the new folder, with 0 space being taken up in C:\ProgramData\CCP. And you can now play on Singularity, and test how DoD works for you (do you get lag, do some resources take strangely long to download or are corrupted, etc). *huzzah*
getting this error when shortcut of repair.exe with -server=sisi command . when using /server:singularity it asks for 12gb patch which my mobile internet wont be able to support as its limited to 6 gb per month. what now.
Build folder info: __name__: main version: 8.53 build: 867850 codename: EVE-2015-CLAUDETTE region: ccp cryptopack: CryptoAPI sync: 867850 branch: //eve/branches/staging/2015-CLAUDETTE appname: EVE usescriptindexfiles: 1 socketio: iocp server: Tranquility edition: premium role: client aid: 0 resfromstuffonly: 0 port: 26000 Traceback (most recent call last): File "repairTool\progressPanel.pyc", line 82, in _TaskRun File "repairTool\repairUI.pyc", line 97, in Start File "repairTool\repairLogic.pyc", line 199, in Repair File "repairTool\repairLogic.pyc", line 331, in Restore File "repairTool\repairLogic.pyc", line 398, in GetRepairUrl File "repairTool\repairTools.pyc", line 185, in GetServerBuildNumber File "repairTool\repairTools.pyc", line 146, in SafeUrlOpen TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 6 arguments (2 given) Total Runtime: 0h00m01s |
Tarpedo
Incursionista
1492
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Posted - 2015.03.10 02:24:19 -
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CCP Atropos wrote:I deployed an updated version of the EVE Launcher to Singularity. It should fix those of you on XP crashing. There's also improvements to some of the feedback, as well as the initial introduction to download on demand. You can trigger the first time popups via the /runfirsttimesetup command line argument. For those who can't start the EVE Launcher you can download the installer from here: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EveOnlineLauncher/beta/EVEOnlineLauncher_2_2_867066.exe
This thing has asked something in French and then rewritten standard EVE launcher. Now I have to delete EVE installation and redownload it because standard launcher cannot be installed into non-empty directory. Good reason to uninstall EVE completely.
By the way - I've started this procedure because on Sisi captain quarters didn't work at all after installing DoD client on top of copied TQ client. |
Ke'Daar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2015.03.10 06:07:46 -
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CCP Snorlax: I have one more question for you...
Now that I am merely downloading all 13G of shared cache, am I set for when this goes to TQ?, or would I be obliged to download it all again?
Asking from a country where slow expensive broadband is the norm...
Yes yes I know.. there are actually still such countries out there |
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
442
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:48:17 -
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Tarpedo wrote:CCP Atropos wrote:I deployed an updated version of the EVE Launcher to Singularity. It should fix those of you on XP crashing. There's also improvements to some of the feedback, as well as the initial introduction to download on demand. You can trigger the first time popups via the /runfirsttimesetup command line argument. For those who can't start the EVE Launcher you can download the installer from here: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EveOnlineLauncher/beta/EVEOnlineLauncher_2_2_867066.exe This thing has asked something in French and then rewritten standard EVE launcher. Now I have to delete EVE installation and redownload it because standard launcher cannot be installed into non-empty directory. Good reason to uninstall EVE completely. By the way - I've started this procedure because on Sisi captain quarters didn't work at all after installing DoD client on top of copied TQ client.
You can also reinstall the TQ version of the EVE Launcher from here http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EveOnlineLauncher/release/EVEOnlineLauncher_2_2_859950.exe |
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
442
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Posted - 2015.03.10 13:56:07 -
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I'm deploying a new version to Singularity that includes the following fixes:
- The first time extraction/migration from existing assets now picks up and moves the contents of the 'res' folder (ie: the audio and video assets)
- Resetting the settings in the settings window works again
- You will receive a popup warning when trying to change the shared cache directory to a folder that you can't write to (such as Program Files (x86))
- OSX build now correctly runs the first time extraction/migration
You can manually install it from this here: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EveOnlineLauncher/beta/EVEOnlineLauncher_2_2_868398.exe |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3217
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Posted - 2015.03.10 18:21:22 -
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CCP Snorlax wrote:On the github page linked above, you should see a 'Download ZIP' button on the right hand side. Download and extract the files to a folder - when I tried this in Chrome, it put the file in my Downloads folder and extracted to rescache-master. Open up a terminal window, change the directory to the rescache-master folder and run 'python rescache.py'. Use the -i option to tell the tool what resource index file to use - it can either be the full path to the resfileindex.txt in the EVE installation, or simply the name of the app under the Applications folder, for example: To verify the integrity of files in the cache: python rescache.py -i "EVE Online Sisi.app" verify To download any files missing from the cache: python rescache.py -i "EVE Online Sisi.app" download To purge any extra files from the cache: python rescache.py -i "EVE Online Sisi.app" purge OK, I did all this, and got some odd results on my Mac. It downloaded all the files, which is odd as I had already done that by running my sisi client. In addition, the SharedCache folder did not get bigger. So where did it put 13 gig of files? A bit of searching...... They all got placed in a new folder structure in the rescache-master folder:
~/Library/Application Support/EVE Online/p-drive ..... (And so on. And yes, the top new folder was named ~ ).
I had changed the directory to the rescache-master folder, and the command I used was:
python rescache.py -i "EVE Singularity.app" download
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CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
680
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:43:00 -
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Ke'Daar wrote:CCP Snorlax: I have one more question for you...
Now that I am merely downloading all 13G of shared cache, am I set for when this goes to TQ?, or would I be obliged to download it all again?
Asking from a country where slow expensive broadband is the norm...
Yes yes I know.. there are actually still such countries out there You're all set - this is the same set of files as the TQ client will use when this goes live.
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB
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CCP Snorlax
C C P C C P Alliance
680
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:44:22 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Snorlax wrote:On the github page linked above, you should see a 'Download ZIP' button on the right hand side. Download and extract the files to a folder - when I tried this in Chrome, it put the file in my Downloads folder and extracted to rescache-master. Open up a terminal window, change the directory to the rescache-master folder and run 'python rescache.py'. Use the -i option to tell the tool what resource index file to use - it can either be the full path to the resfileindex.txt in the EVE installation, or simply the name of the app under the Applications folder, for example: To verify the integrity of files in the cache: python rescache.py -i "EVE Online Sisi.app" verify To download any files missing from the cache: python rescache.py -i "EVE Online Sisi.app" download To purge any extra files from the cache: python rescache.py -i "EVE Online Sisi.app" purge OK, I did all this, and got some odd results on my Mac. It downloaded all the files, which is odd as I had already done that by running my sisi client. In addition, the SharedCache folder did not get bigger. So where did it put 13 gig of files? A bit of searching...... They all got placed in a new folder structure in the rescache-master folder: ~/Library/Application Support/EVE Online/p-drive ..... (And so on. And yes, the top new folder was named ~ ). I had changed the directory to the rescache-master folder, and the command I used was: python rescache.py -i "EVE Singularity.app" download OK, that's strange - I'll look into this.
CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB
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Ke'Daar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2015.03.11 07:24:01 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Snorlax wrote:On the github page linked above, you should see a 'Download ZIP' button on the right hand side. Download and extract the files to a folder - when I tried this in Chrome, it put the file in my Downloads folder and extracted to rescache-master. Open up a terminal window, change the directory to the rescache-master folder and run 'python rescache.py'. Use the -i option to tell the tool what resource index file to use - it can either be the full path to the resfileindex.txt in the EVE installation, or simply the name of the app under the Applications folder, for example: To verify the integrity of files in the cache: python rescache.py -i "EVE Online Sisi.app" verify To download any files missing from the cache: python rescache.py -i "EVE Online Sisi.app" download To purge any extra files from the cache: python rescache.py -i "EVE Online Sisi.app" purge OK, I did all this, and got some odd results on my Mac. It downloaded all the files, which is odd as I had already done that by running my sisi client. In addition, the SharedCache folder did not get bigger. So where did it put 13 gig of files? A bit of searching...... They all got placed in a new folder structure in the rescache-master folder: ~/Library/Application Support/EVE Online/p-drive ..... (And so on. And yes, the top new folder was named ~ ). I had changed the directory to the rescache-master folder, and the command I used was: python rescache.py -i "EVE Singularity.app" download
I just checked and I had the same happen to me when using rescache.py
Correct SharedCache folder did not grow, while I too found another SharedCache folder underneath the rescache-master folder
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30823
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Posted - 2015.03.11 07:35:41 -
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That reminds me: Treesize Free is a great utility for monitoring file and directory sizes. You can select directories or drives, and it has file size, disk percent, and file count. You can also save reports of the active tree.
Thanks in advance
Help, I can't download EVE
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Virgil McMacset
InterSun Freelance SONS of BANE
1
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Posted - 2015.03.11 10:06:17 -
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Why is this so annoyingly un-friendly to it's users?
CCP would you mind please realising that many ppl playing Eve are not all computer junkies and therefore would appreciate something that just clicked and played with out all this file sorting carry on.
How about some simple and clear instructions on how to get the Sisi launcher with DOD to work for Mac without trying to download the whole dam client folder again at 12. something Gb? Or directing us to said link on how to do it?
Some of these instruction are akin to explaining to a car sales man to strip the engine down out of that Chevy on the lot and put it back together again then looking at him expectantly while giving him a Jamie Oliver recipe for apple crumble, and telling him these are the instructions on how to perform the Chevy engine rebuild.
My question is A. Can we please get a simple instruction package for Mac how to A download the dam thing without downloading another full size client. B. If the purge function is not adhered to how to reset the launcher to prompt the same questions again on start up so as to configure the location of the res cache folder.
I have both my server files inside the single Eve client at Eve Online p_drive / local settings/ Application Data /CCP /EVE/ c_program_files_ccp_eve_tranquility & c_program_files_ccp_eve_singularity
I use the Terminal window with this command to open SIsi : open /Applications/Singularity.app --args /server:Singularity
Which used to do the job nicely , until now?
But it still keeps trying to download the complete client again at 12Gb???
Any help here would be very handy right about now Thank you.
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Bad Albosa
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.03.11 11:57:46 -
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after having used https://github.com/ccpgames/rescache
verified 62809 files 0 corrupt 267 files not yet downloaded
tried python rescache download function
267 files missing - 25,95 MB - 46,73MB on disk Downloaded 0 files (267 failed)
Launcher still stuck in rescache downloading
So whats next? Server side problem?
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Sarmatiko
1676
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Posted - 2015.03.11 13:31:27 -
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Bad Albosa wrote: Launcher still stuck in rescache downloading
Do you have "Download all resources" option enabled in launcher? If not, I think launcher only downloads essential files from resfileindex_prefetch and the rest of files are DoD. |
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate Together We Solo
235
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Posted - 2015.03.11 13:34:07 -
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I really want to echo what Virgil McMacset said.
So I try'd to update the Mac client today and got the prompt to either use the client on demand or not. I opted not to since I know the Mac will crash, but now sisi is wanting to download the whole 16gis rather than use what I already have for sisi now. Should you select the download on demand if you already have the client installed, or is this patch a new full download either way? |
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