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HordeZla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 09/10/2006 12:09:31 there is Mercenary fleet commanders about. but one of ASCN's fleet commander told me he is annoyed with him being caleled primary all the time. enemies always know who commands.
This game has been going a long time and your experianced FC will probley have a good idea who ours are.
I am Ex ROA and if we ever went to war with them I could name many of there FC's.
However, a FC is only skilled upto the point of fighting starting, by this time he has used his skills to get the advantage and in the engagment all is left to call targets and anyone can say a name over TS so calling FC primary is only good tactic if the fleet can't be arsed to call them self.
On an other note I want to say much respect to ASCN for the fun had so far, I am not going to get wound up by any of the non involved flaimers as they are just making the situation worse.
To resolve this situation I think that we as involved pilots should check each others kill boards and eve mail there CEO's and disparaties and inform them of any potential exploits/smack etc as I for one am sick of our dirty laundry been aired in these public forums.
I had a problem with an ASCN pilot doint a possible exploit, i sent a patation with evidence and informed his CEO, I got a good, mature and respectfull responce from his leadership and have not seen this pilot online for 3 weeks now??
ASCN I offer you my hand as a token of appreciation and request all INVOLVED pilots leave the whorage to in-game as the trolls are spoiling the game for many.
>>> I am a troll <<<
Sorry for my crap spelling.
my views and all that.
PS my CEO is a lady boy so I am told!
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Icomeinpeace
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 13:08:00 -
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We could throw that right back at ya Yazoul and say that you follow us into our threads. Which you do, theres no denying it, darths post about Fountain was immediately set upon by your forum squad. Same as pretty much every post hes ever made since the RKK relationship went sour.
Thing is posts that involve BoB or are about BoB make up the bulk of these forums.... Public forums, look up public in the dictionary.
Well you guys make threads that obviously involve us (BoB) everytime.When do we make threads geared towards Celes, like never as far as I can remember.So yes CELES follow us in threads that do not concern them and you also make posts directed towards us.
Oh yeah, and darth leading them wou;dn't help much, there are no npc stations in the area
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Third Down
Hard Rock Cafe
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Posted - 2006.10.09 13:15:00 -
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FC == target caller? no good policy!
FC should be covops|recon, and he nominate damage dealer to call primary...!
other way is foolisjh
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard Wizard Love
You big fat liar , i am still recovering from illness and u didnt send me those grapes yet you promised
Tbh CELES and BOB would make an epic episode on jerry springer one day
"There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.10.09 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 09/10/2006 12:09:31 there is Mercenary fleet commanders about. but one of ASCN's fleet commander told me he is annoyed with him being caleled primary all the time. enemies always know who commands.
Err.....with fleets that size doesn't it make sense to have a second and a third commander waiting to take over once the FC goes pop? Jeesh, that's fleet operations 101
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.09 13:46:00 -
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Isnt it about time ASCN bit the bullet and hired in some experienced PvPers to control thier fleets?
How can you be sustaining such bheavy losses?? wtf?
BoB are simply not THAT good.
Let your pride go, and go hire in someone (KIA are not available btw)
I think I saw D Solo offering earlier on in the thread, anyone like him would be perfect, get ya hands out of your pockets and do what ya need to do.
Your fleet commanders simply suck.
KIA EVE Home
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Buxaroo
Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2006.10.09 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Third Down FC == target caller? no good policy!
FC should be covops|recon, and he nominate damage dealer to call primary...!
other way is foolisjh
In theory that might work, but in reality it isn't effective. With a small gang yes you can do it but anything large isn't going to work good. The FC needs to be with the main gang IMHO.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ Isnt it about time ASCN bit the bullet and hired in some experienced PvPers to control thier fleets?
How can you be sustaining such bheavy losses?? wtf?
BoB are simply not THAT good.
Let your pride go, and go hire in someone (KIA are not available btw)
I think I saw D Solo offering earlier on in the thread, anyone like him would be perfect, get ya hands out of your pockets and do what ya need to do.
Your fleet commanders simply suck.
Hi Eddz
why all the harsh words? We having fun with the hobbits thats all , who cares about heavy losses ASCN say they dont and we obviously dont either although we have a "pooor" industrial backbone as many third party well informed ppl have contributed in many threads "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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HordeZla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 14:10:00 -
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The issues about FC and gang leaders are probley the critical problems in ASCN but please don't try and state what's right or wrong in reguards to how an alliance operates as after all someone has to loose.
Some of the problems ASCN I have witnesed are simpley down to single players either not talking or not listining.
BoB may not the best PvP alliance out there but please do not say that we are not that good as your reputation is only based on who you have beat and unless you are in an alliance or corp that has taken land from us I don't mean killed player but actuialy accumplished something to our detriment then a statment of such can't be valid?
I am not trying to smack but I am trying to stop people creating flaim.
ASCN would do we to have a look at there leadership in fleet ops or mabey just listen to what there saying a little better and follow orders to the letter?
It could just be a case of player abilities as the BoB kill boards show a massive ammount of support losses to BoB so mabey they can't operate at 160+ sniping range so have to go for the smaller closer ships? I don't know but what I do know is there putting up a fight and that's more that most corps that have flamed us on the many meany threads about this.
Non of this is flame just me been boared in my highley paid job with no work, gota love the british army.
I am dyslexic and can't be arsed sorting my spelling....sorry.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ BoB are simply not THAT good.
Obviously we are.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.09 14:27:00 -
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Not for 1 second am I saying that BoB wont win every major engagement they have, because they probbaly will, the experience levels and skill levels are simply much too far apart, but for ascn to be losing bs for 0 retaliation kills, something has to be wrong in either their planning or command, probably both.
There are capable FCs for hire, aswell as war strategists, ASCN from the look of it do not have an abundance of experience in these fields, I was simply asking why they havent gone out and hired in a PvP expert group to take control of their industrial alliance...
It doesnt matter how much isk you got, a 100 bs losses a day will eventually drain the resource away.
(KIA are still neutral btw, I dont mean anyone any disrespect), just pretty much stating the obvious.
KIA EVE Home
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Scan 7
Detroit School of Engineering
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Posted - 2006.10.09 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ It doesnt matter how much isk you got, a 100 bs losses a day will eventually drain the resource away.
(KIA are still neutral btw, I dont mean anyone any disrespect), just pretty much stating the obvious.
Moral normally goes way before isk
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 15:29:00 -
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I seriously think Cyvok should hire butter dog as a expert in the art of warfare.
He seems to be able to know exactly what the BoB leadership are thinking, what we are doing wrong, why we are failing and why we will never win.
I think these would be useful to Cyvok in his war against us.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ Not for 1 second am I saying that BoB wont win every major engagement they have, because they probbaly will, the experience levels and skill levels are simply much too far apart, but for ascn to be losing bs for 0 retaliation kills, something has to be wrong in either their planning or command, probably both.
There are capable FCs for hire, aswell as war strategists, ASCN from the look of it do not have an abundance of experience in these fields, I was simply asking why they havent gone out and hired in a PvP expert group to take control of their industrial alliance...
It doesnt matter how much isk you got, a 100 bs losses a day will eventually drain the resource away.
(KIA are still neutral btw, I dont mean anyone any disrespect), just pretty much stating the obvious.
FC's are only as good as the ppl they have with them. Even the best FC in the world couldn't make **** fighters into superb ones m8. It might help with the lonely ganks here and there, but on average, a good fc can't improve that much.
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Hast
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 15:44:00 -
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and to add to what thol wrote...
I think that for a FC leading a ASCN fleet would be more a test of his patience then his gangleading abilities
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 16:22:00 -
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Hast for FC tbh.
(we are talking about Forum Commanders here right ?) .... POST WITH YOUR MAIN !!!!11111one
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SkottE
SkottE Technologies
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Posted - 2006.10.09 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Weebear Can the alt ban be extended to 1 man corps as well by any chance? They are worse than the NPC alts ever were.
how about no? _________________________________________ Want to build Tech2 equipment and ships? Take a look here to find out! |
Hast
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Hast for FC tbh.
(we are talking about Forum Commanders here right ?)
what else can FC be?
enter thread "Celes Apoc want to make you rich, VERY rich, STINKING RICH." and troll, Primary target is Darth Solo, Secondary is welsh wizard
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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xlop
Gallente Yes no maybe - i dont know
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Posted - 2006.10.09 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Hast for FC tbh.
(we are talking about Forum Commanders here right ?)
what else can FC be?
enter thread "Celes Apoc want to make you rich, VERY rich, STINKING RICH." and troll, Primary target is Darth Solo, Secondary is welsh wizard
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Gothikia
Ladyboys Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.09 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Your fleet commanders simply suck.
Yeah they do. AXE has one or two that are decent tho...
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.09 16:58:00 -
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Just huge lol @ all the people coming here and explaining what the problems of ascn are without ever being in the alliance.
I am not saying FCing cant be improved but I smile when I read all the smartasses asking to be hired as fcs pretending they know it all.
->
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BlackRain
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:07:00 -
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Being good and effective in combat is a sum of many things, not just sound fleet commanding inside a fight, not just the pre-fight strategic planning or the individual skill of the pilots. It's them all combined. Also, different scenarios demand for different approach and more flexibility. Fortunately the crew material we have provides us with a great deal of this.
For an example I could imagine that some of the kills we have scored after the node crashes are a result of the fact that the average combat pilot in BoB is usually more than capable of functioning on a battlefield on his own without the FC necessarily having to hold his / hers hand. Staying sharp, not panicing, making the right decisions and acting accordingly are the qualities which give us this extra dimension of flexibility. So far it at least looks like our enemy generally hasn't got the level of "battle awareness" we have. Yet, at least. -------------------
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Gungankllr
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:22:00 -
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I'm the best FC in all of ASCN.
Those asteroids don't stand a chance when i'm running things.
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
I like pie.
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Gierling
Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:45:00 -
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I do think the Big problem is in the mass of it.
EVE at the moment just can't handle fights of this size and the more I play the more convinced I am that it is a structural problem that cannot be changed.
We actually do fair enough when its a handful of gents going pew pew at each other. We don't pwn but we actually do manage to kill BOB. The problems arising are when its huge numbers of folk loading grids/systems. It's once the server goes ker-**** that BOB's experience edge really becomes a bear to deal with.
And no I'm not accussing them of cheating, they just have a good deal of experience. When your average ASCN member is going "WTF why is it lagging so badly, I hope the Node didn't crash", the Average BOB member has already realized the Node took a dump and is in the midst of clearing cache and launching a new client.
Thats when the numbers get ugly as its no longer a 40 on 40 fight, its a 20 on 4 or 5 fight that gets decided real quickly and then over the course of the next 10 minutes or so the entirely fleet gets wasted as they show up one by one. Its entirely because of the tremendous confidence and experience we are facing, and its entirely a razors edge with extremely binary results.
It is irritating, its frustrating but its not ASCN's fault and its not BOB's fault. I think even the BOB folks, despite thier kills advantage will even admit that server performance is very disappointing.
I'm starting to think that CCP is going to need to majorly gut the game to get the data sent back and forth down to a manageable level. (I fully expect one of two things, either lame preset matched battles like WOW's Battlegrounds, or consolidation on par with making ships have fewer slots approximating the same level of ability they have now with less versatility).
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Anal Retentive
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:56:00 -
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You crazy people all this epeen waving will make the girls wet
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dabster
Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: welsh wizard Wizard Love
Tbh CELES and BOB would make an epic episode on jerry springer one day
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ProphetGuru
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:08:00 -
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I don't understand why anyone thinks celest would be of help to acsn. Their's not any npc stations to hide in where we're fighting, Outbreak isin't there to carry them, and it's not like they have ever had experience leading fleets at this level of Eve. Not to mention they need to be up in Fountain protecting all the noobs they invited to come mine.... :)
Insults aside, Darth would likely pull his hair out 10min into leading an acsn gang. In reality, celest is pretty disciplined, and acsn is.. not.
Lastly, I would seriously lol if acsn, who has placed themselves for months at the top of the alliance heap with others... had to contract out their FC's. Talk about spitting in your own commanders faces. Hmm, wouldn't suprise me if Cyvok did it on second thought.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Red Six
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:09:00 -
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Gierling, part of the problem is the fact that useless data is loaded. I have no need to know what you have in your cargo hold yet supposedly that is part of the data that is transfered back and forth to all clients. Now multiply that by 200 pilots and that's an awful lot of useless data. I seriously wonder what an effect not passing just this bit of data would do to the lag.
How many different types of ammo does your ship carry in its cargo hold? Say for arguments sake 5 ammo types each is one bit of data. Those 5 bits of data now need to be propogated to the 99 guys to my right and left. When you warp in all your ships need to load that 5 bits of data plus the 5 bits of data from the other 99 members of the my gang and vice versa. So you each need to load 500 bits of data plus transmit your 5 bits to the server at the same time all your friends are doing the same. I think you can see where this is going. Just simply removing this one simple thing will reduce the amount of overhead that the server has to send to each client. This may or may not have a huge effect on server performance but it's an example of non-essential data that is passed back and forth during PVP.
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Scoundrelus
Unseen Jihad
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Scoundrelus on 09/10/2006 18:37:07
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: fire 59
Originally by: Hatsim BoB's kilboard is fuubar... it need to be looked at...
propaganda killboard!
That is the most ridiculous crap i've heard so far. If we die we post it, if we kill we post. It probably need's its own node or something if anything becasue it crashed from us havin to post so many kill's. Unless you have evidence to back up your blatant lies mr cowardly alt, go away til you spawn some balls to postwith your main. kthxbye.
to be fair BOBs boards are usually pretty good.. and if they aint, mail a CEO and they will post the missing mails. or mail me and il do it with my alt spy.
d solo.
This kill has nothing to do with the ASCN vs BoB conflict but I've been trying to get it posted for a while now, Blacklight ignored me when I sent it to him and the victim didn't post it, so here it is:
2006.06.15 22:40
Victim: Greg Sanders Alliance: Band of Brothers Corp: Black Nova Corp Destroyed: Crow System: Vezila Security: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: Scoundrelus (laid the final blow) Security: -4.4 Alliance: None Corp: Terror Legion Ship: Maller Weapon: Medium Pulse Laser II
Name: Blood Converter / Blood Raiders
Destroyed items:
Beta Hull Mod Nanofiber Structure 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Rocket Launcher II Faint Warp Prohibitor I Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Thorn Rocket, Qty: 31 Thorn Rocket, Qty: 31
UPLOAD YOUR LOSSES!
Upload this for me Mr BoB Spy, also lets hope this gets this pointless thread locked. =============================================== We are Watching You. |
Hoss Bogg
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Posted - 2006.10.09 18:51:00 -
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Last thing I heard was the BoB had hired D2 to help em protect Delve region becuse They cant protect it em selfe
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