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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
941
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Posted - 2015.02.20 14:39:32 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Thonys Visser wrote:
I was wandering why a treu neurtal corporation (passive corp) can be war decked by anny corporation randomly in Hs
Mining IS aggression, against the wallets of other miners. That makes you fair game.
Not to mention the rocks. The rocks, people!!! Why doesn't anyone ever think of the rocks?!
These miners go out in their fancy-dancy ships and they just laser-**** those poor rocks for hours and hours at a time.
It's disgusting. Some of my best friends are rocks, you know.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Shut up, Anslo. --everyone
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
6518
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Posted - 2015.02.20 15:34:01 -
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Thonys Visser wrote: what i mean is that a real carebear mining group with no intention to war or anny aggression
Are you mining resources that someone else wants to mine? You are of course, which makes you a perfectly legitimate target if for no other reason than to force you to move out of the area. There are dozens of other reasons to dec any corp in high sec.
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
294
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Posted - 2015.02.20 15:36:28 -
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Bklyn 1 wrote:Queue up the nerd responses:
-htfu (can't believe nerds still use this one, but they do)
-get out of high sec
-get friends
-Eve is a cold harsh place
-go back to WoW
I think I covered all the main ones. Let me know if I missed any. Yea you did. Have an insta undock. Problem solved. Avoiding lamo HS wardecs is about as easy as "check local" hmm use insta undock. It is less of an inconvenience than that stupid dialog telling me about DT in 5mins.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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K'Toll
Twilight Paradox
1
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Posted - 2015.02.20 15:40:04 -
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Space Council? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9844
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Posted - 2015.02.20 15:45:37 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:https://twitter.com/CCP_Punkturis/status/568771287780343808 CCP aint care bears, they are awesome Vikings !
Sorry you are wrong. They have cloths on.
Real HTFU in that situation is buck naked slathered in oil with at least 6 more women there ready to wrestle for glory in freezing temperatures. I know that would keep me 'warm' at least... |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9844
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Posted - 2015.02.20 15:50:28 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Thonys Visser wrote: what i mean is that a real carebear mining group with no intention to war or anny aggression
Are you mining resources that someone else wants to mine? You are of course, which makes you a perfectly legitimate target if for no other reason than to force you to move out of the area. There are dozens of other reasons to dec any corp in high sec.
Exactly.
The OP is just more "I should be left alone to play how I want even though what I'm doing has an affect on other people" thinking that comes naturally from some people. They honestly can't see the double standard involved.
I can, I know the 'price' I pay to pve in this kind of game is dealing with the potential for interference, so I incorporate that potential into my gameplay, and use it to measure my effectiveness in the game. "How many times I don't die doing pve while people are trying to kill me" is every bit as valuable a measure of how I'm progressing in the game as "how much isk is in my wallet" is.
But some people don't want to play a game, they want to just succeed without thought or effort, because they paid for it!
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Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.02.20 15:54:40 -
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Welcome to Eve!
What you are failing to understand, is that as a Miner / Miner support you are flying a ship that by design, is essentially unarmed against anything that is not a belt rat. You are in an area specifically designed for your ships, and with a isk / hour return that economically prevents you from hiring other ships with superior weapons to protect you.
You are not the valued customer here. You are the CONTENT for the valued customers.
If you want to be a neutral miner, you need to remove yourself from the "content pool" by disbanding your corp and only using adequately tanked ships. That will protect you from war decs and casual gankers. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9844
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Posted - 2015.02.20 16:02:08 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:
You are not the valued customer here. You are the CONTENT for the valued customers.
This is why night clubs often have 'women get in free' promotions, because they know that's what men go to clubs for (if they want to drink and dance they can do that at home lol) so its win win for them, men and women are there and buying drinks which makes up for any loss of the door cover charges lol.
ie CCP should have a "miners play free" promotion every weekend
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Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.02.20 16:22:24 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:ie CCP should have a "miners play free" promotion every weekend
I like it! And for every tanking component you DON'T have (DC2, Reinforced Bulkhead, Shield rig, etc.) You get 10% EXTRA yield! (Up to 50% extra yield, all rules and disclaimers apply. Extra yield is NOT guaranteed. Excessive mining can cause hair loss, uncontrolled crying, and extreme boredom. Read all warning labels before using product.)
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Thonys Visser
Green Visstick High
4
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Posted - 2015.02.20 16:55:40 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:It seems that people in this game are sad why war dec a peacful corp that cant fight back..... when i was in high sec we got war dec'd and it just made my corp not pl;ay for a week as they were camped in station.... they couldnt fight back...
This is both un fun and unfair as people PAY to play this game.... so they had to pay to not log in.... which is ridiculous imo.
Yes Eve is a sandbox but doing this doesnt benefit anyone if anything it just makes players leave Eve.... 2 people from my corp decided to go back to WOW because they got camped in a station in our small cvorp against a huge merc corp that war decd us for the sole reason that the majority of the corp mined... and they dont have the balls to go and get fair fights.... so they pick on miners/industrialists.... they then proceeded to camp the station making playing either ridiculously unfun or not an option....
IMO the whole WAR dec system needs looking at.
it is just this situation you just describe we are into also And i totally agree with you ..
it is unfair for paying costumers
i give a little example we have a 60 people corporation 54 not active because of war-decks and 10 active (to keep things going) 50 x 14.95 monthly descriptions =Gé¼ 807.40 whats cccp = missing now every month from a group of 67 members (from just one (1) corporation)
and yes if people stay away for a month you can asume they stay away because of lost of interest (they simply forget the game)
nice ads and movies are not bringing them all back...
so i really do think they are in need of a good working mechanic for wardecking and it is in need to do it fast they loose every day money on this unwanted system
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Lugia3
The Southern Gentleman's Social Club Operation Pointy Stick
1488
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:09:05 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:Brutus Utama wrote:It seems that people in this game are sad why war dec a peacful corp that cant fight back..... when i was in high sec we got war dec'd and it just made my corp not pl;ay for a week as they were camped in station.... they couldnt fight back...
This is both un fun and unfair as people PAY to play this game.... so they had to pay to not log in.... which is ridiculous imo.
Yes Eve is a sandbox but doing this doesnt benefit anyone if anything it just makes players leave Eve.... 2 people from my corp decided to go back to WOW because they got camped in a station in our small cvorp against a huge merc corp that war decd us for the sole reason that the majority of the corp mined... and they dont have the balls to go and get fair fights.... so they pick on miners/industrialists.... they then proceeded to camp the station making playing either ridiculously unfun or not an option....
IMO the whole WAR dec system needs looking at. it is just this situation you just describe we are into also And i totally agree with you .. it is unfair for paying costumers i give a little example we have a 60 people corporation 54 not active because of war-decks and 10 active (to keep things going) 50 x 14.95 monthly descriptions =Gé¼ 807.40 whats cccp = missing now every month from a group of 67 members (from just one (1) corporation) and yes if people stay away for a month you can asume they stay away because of lost of interest (they simply forget the game) nice ads and movies are not bringing them all back... so i really do think they are in need of a good working mechanic for wardecking and it is in need to do it fast they loose every day money on this unwanted system
Ahh, but you fail to take into consideration the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of subs from people who take pleasure in the tears of the weak and also would not hesitate to shoot the Jita monument if CCP caved.
Luckily, CCP is good and faithful to ways of the viking, spreading but a "HTFU" in their wake.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15045
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:09:39 -
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Phugoid wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:It's because this is a PVP game, and wars, just like in RL, don't have to be agreeable by all parties. For example, Poland probably didn't like it when Germany invaded. Don't forget a small fact, 2 weeks after Germany invaded, Russia invaded from the other side :P poor Poles
They did keep on fighting though and were awesome.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6285
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:10:03 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:hi all,
I was wandering why a treu neurtal corporation (passive corp) can be war decked by anny corporation randomly in Hs
what i mean is that a real carebear mining group with no intention to war or anny aggression is just being war decked random there is no tactics or diplomacy involved at all there is the space councel (doing nothing) Concord (doing nothing)
it all ends up in no fights and only compulsory holidays
what ends up in a disbanded player base in the long run
i think that mechanic needs a better upgrade or solution
You have to realize that the player killers cannot handle the PVP of lowsec and nullsec any more than non-combatant players in highsec could.
So they have to blanket wardec to they can fly around easily to get PVP and green up their killboards - something they cannot do anywhere else - just like a highsec "carebear" might want to fly around easily and do missions or gather resources.
The former will of course pretend to have some superiority over the latter. But in the end, it's bear versus bear, only one is after stats and the other is after ISK.
By best advice is not to fight them. Fight them, and you will get listed as someone who provides them what they want. There are ways to deny that. You can drop corp or play something else.
If you play something else, you might just keep an Eve client open and use AFK cloaking in noob ships and pepper the region with corp members. That might keep them interested enough to search around, but not get targets. There are other games to play in the meantime.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Thonys Visser
Green Visstick High
4
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:12:32 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:Welcome to Eve!
What you are failing to understand, is that as a Miner / Miner support you are flying a ship that by design, is essentially unarmed against anything that is not a belt rat. You are in an area specifically designed for your ships, and with a isk / hour return that economically prevents you from hiring other ships with superior weapons to protect you.
You are not the valued customer here. You are the CONTENT for the valued customers.
If you want to be a neutral miner, you need to remove yourself from the "content pool" by disbanding your corp and only using adequately tanked ships. That will protect you from war decs and casual gankers.
""If you want to be a neutral miner, you need to remove yourself from the "content pool" by disbanding your corp ""
i know i can do that, BUT... i am to much involved with that corporation to unsubscribe me from the corp (its not practical) things has to be done.. to keep it going..
ps. perhaps a dooms day weapon on a miner is a good gesture perhaps now valued customers understand the impact
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9846
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:12:40 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Thonys Visser wrote:hi all,
I was wandering why a treu neurtal corporation (passive corp) can be war decked by anny corporation randomly in Hs
what i mean is that a real carebear mining group with no intention to war or anny aggression is just being war decked random there is no tactics or diplomacy involved at all there is the space councel (doing nothing) Concord (doing nothing)
it all ends up in no fights and only compulsory holidays
what ends up in a disbanded player base in the long run
i think that mechanic needs a better upgrade or solution
You have to realize that the player killers cannot handle the PVP of lowsec and nullsec any more than non-combatant players in highsec could. So they have to blanket wardec to they can fly around easily to get PVP and green up their killboards - something they cannot do anywhere else - just like a highsec "carebear" might want to fly around easily and do missions or gather resources. The former will of course pretend to have some superiority over the latter. But in the end, it's bear versus bear, only one is after stats and the other is after ISK. By best advice is not to fight them. Fight them, and you will get listed as someone who provides them what they want. There are ways to deny that. You can drop corp or play something else. If you play something else, you might just keep an Eve client open and use AFK cloaking in noob ships and pepper the region with corp members. That might keep them interested enough to search around, but not get targets. There are other games to play in the meantime.
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Thonys Visser
Green Visstick High
4
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:41:49 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Thonys Visser wrote:
I was wandering why a treu neurtal corporation (passive corp) can be war decked by anny corporation randomly in Hs
Mining IS aggression, against the wallets of other miners. That makes you fair game.
i think you miss the point if a miner in a barge shoots you (drones) in hs concord deals with the miner |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15045
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:45:26 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Thonys Visser wrote:
I was wandering why a treu neurtal corporation (passive corp) can be war decked by anny corporation randomly in Hs
Mining IS aggression, against the wallets of other miners. That makes you fair game. i think you miss the point if a miner in a barge shoots you (drones) in hs concord deals with the miner
hence the wardec.
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Paranoid Loyd
3927
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:47:55 -
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WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY BOAT?!?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3160
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:55:30 -
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[quote= "why should you make risk free isk and disrupt my playstyle". [/quote] If you are worried about players "making risk free ISK" you are going after the wrong group. Mining is one of the lowest ISK making activities in the game. If you really want to go after players making risk free ISK, go for the station traders. They makes tons of ISK and are totally immune to both wars and ganking. The only thing they risk is ISK, and in years and years, I have almost never lost ISK in station trading.
Also, remember that its all pixels. Worthless pixels, so there is really no risk at all. Except for the subscription fee, and we all risk that, irrelevant of what we do in game.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15045
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:01:01 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Lan Wang wrote: "why should you make risk free isk and disrupt my playstyle". If you are worried about players "making risk free ISK" you are going after the wrong group. Mining is one of the lowest ISK making activities in the game. If you really want to go after players making risk free ISK, go for the station traders. They makes tons of ISK and are totally immune to both wars and ganking. The only thing they risk is ISK, and in years and years, I have almost never lost ISK in station trading. Also, remember that its all pixels. Worthless pixels, so there is really no risk at all. Except for the subscription fee, and we all risk that, irrelevant of what we do in game.
Barges exploding is good for my business.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2758
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:04:29 -
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Don't worry. Give it about half a year, and the whole war thing will be "looked into."
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:08:42 -
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3 years in and you are just discovering this? I applaud your duration of ignorance.
The reasonable answer is clear.
LIMITS.
5 wardecs allowed per corp/alliance based on the CEO's skills. Wardec skill, 1 wardec allowed per level. CEO of corp or alliance executor corp. DONE. This gives them meaning, much like the glorious jump fatigue gave to strategic movement. |
Thonys Visser
Green Visstick High
4
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:10:28 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Don't worry. Give it about half a year, and the whole war thing will be "looked into."
well i am a little bit worried ,that our corporation will not survive a half a year on the other hand i am Glad that "the whole war thing will be " looked into"
i love mining ,and build things ..! SO WHATS MY CRIME ??
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
194
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:11:23 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:Demetri Dentrov wrote:Welcome to Eve!
What you are failing to understand, is that as a Miner / Miner support you are flying a ship that by design, is essentially unarmed against anything that is not a belt rat. You are in an area specifically designed for your ships, and with a isk / hour return that economically prevents you from hiring other ships with superior weapons to protect you.
You are not the valued customer here. You are the CONTENT for the valued customers.
If you want to be a neutral miner, you need to remove yourself from the "content pool" by disbanding your corp and only using adequately tanked ships. That will protect you from war decs and casual gankers. ""If you want to be a neutral miner, you need to remove yourself from the "content pool" by disbanding your corp "" i know i can do that, BUT... i am to much involved with that corporation to unsubscribe me from the corp (its not practical) things has to be done.. to keep it going.. ps. perhaps a dooms day weapon on a miner is a good gesture perhaps now valued customers understand the impact
No its not because everyone would be running around in tanked up skiffs doomsdaying everything they see
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Thonys Visser
Green Visstick High
4
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:24:38 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Thonys Visser wrote:Demetri Dentrov wrote:Welcome to Eve!
What you are failing to understand, is that as a Miner / Miner support you are flying a ship that by design, is essentially unarmed against anything that is not a belt rat. You are in an area specifically designed for your ships, and with a isk / hour return that economically prevents you from hiring other ships with superior weapons to protect you.
You are not the valued customer here. You are the CONTENT for the valued customers.
If you want to be a neutral miner, you need to remove yourself from the "content pool" by disbanding your corp and only using adequately tanked ships. That will protect you from war decs and casual gankers. ""If you want to be a neutral miner, you need to remove yourself from the "content pool" by disbanding your corp "" i know i can do that, BUT... i am to much involved with that corporation to unsubscribe me from the corp (its not practical) things has to be done.. to keep it going.. ps. perhaps a dooms day weapon on a miner is a good gesture perhaps now valued customers understand the impact No its not because everyone would be running around in tanked up skiffs doomsdaying everything they see
exactly see also post 37 in this thread it is about how miners feel about it |
Shin Jan
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:30:42 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Don't worry. Give it about half a year, and the whole war thing will be "looked into." well i am a little bit worried ,that our corporation will not survive a half a year on the other hand i am Glad that "the whole war thing will be " looked into" i love mining ,and build things ..! SO WHATS MY CRIME ??
Your crime is to be uninteresting to the sandbox Eve ; cause mining/mission running safely in High Sec is rotten. Not because of you, but because of mechanics.
Just a question, imagine that tomorrow CCP decide to make mining results, 10 times better (quantity and quality) in low/null sec compared to High sec. What would you do ?
1. Stay in High Sec 2. Go to low/null Sec 3. Ragequit
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Thonys Visser
Green Visstick High
4
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:35:44 -
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Shin Jan wrote:Thonys Visser wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Don't worry. Give it about half a year, and the whole war thing will be "looked into." well i am a little bit worried ,that our corporation will not survive a half a year on the other hand i am Glad that "the whole war thing will be " looked into" i love mining ,and build things ..! SO WHATS MY CRIME ?? Your crime is to be uninteresting to the sandbox Eve ; cause mining/mission running safely in High Sec is rotten. Not because of you, but because of mechanics. Just a question, imagine that tomorrow CCP decide to make mining results, 10 times better (quantity and quality) in low/null sec compared to High sec. What would you do ? 1. Stay in High Sec 2. Go to low/null Sec 3. Ragequit
4. i would build 10 times faster ..better ships
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Shin Jan
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:38:03 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:Shin Jan wrote:Thonys Visser wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Don't worry. Give it about half a year, and the whole war thing will be "looked into." well i am a little bit worried ,that our corporation will not survive a half a year on the other hand i am Glad that "the whole war thing will be " looked into" i love mining ,and build things ..! SO WHATS MY CRIME ?? Your crime is to be uninteresting to the sandbox Eve ; cause mining/mission running safely in High Sec is rotten. Not because of you, but because of mechanics. Just a question, imagine that tomorrow CCP decide to make mining results, 10 times better (quantity and quality) in low/null sec compared to High sec. What would you do ? 1. Stay in High Sec 2. Go to low/null Sec 3. Ragequit 4. i would build 10 times faster ..better ships
So to build 10 times faster, you are saying that you WOULD send your corpmates mining into low or null sec right ? |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
194
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:38:54 -
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Everyone knows how miners feel about it but it is what it is, you do persist on hanging around near trade hubs, why cant you move to a system far away from everyone if you want peace, as much as i dont agree with what wardeccers do there isnt much you can do apart from move your corp or stay in npc corps.
The argument happens on a daily basis and there is valid points on both sides which get to such an extent that its pointless even continuing the argument because based on the games core features they are doing nothing wrong, prepare yourself for another 200 page thread...
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2758
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:40:47 -
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Thonys Visser wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Don't worry. Give it about half a year, and the whole war thing will be "looked into." well i am a little bit worried ,that our corporation will not survive a half a year on the other hand i am Glad that "the whole war thing will be " looked into" i love mining ,and build things ..! SO WHATS MY CRIME ?? Your crime, if you're indeed being serious and not actually trolling the forums, is that you don't understand the nature of the game you're playing.
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