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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
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Posted - 2015.03.15 01:30:43 -
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i have mentioned it before, but ill repeat myself abit.... im really supriced that this post hasnt been closed... its clearly redundant, too much offtopic and littered With trolls.... something smells fishy... it counterdict the behavior of the ISD. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1104
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Posted - 2015.03.15 01:33:18 -
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Feu dAstres wrote:... Eve Valkyrie looks like perhaps the next extension of possibilities. Don't know why but I can never see the hidden image in those 3D posters we used to have. I can't use 3D glasses they ones that look like they are made for a solar eclipse just make me cry constantly and don't seem to work. VR also just messes with my eyes and looks really weird.
I could use low refresh rate CRTs and hardly see the scanning. So, I don't think it is anything along those lines.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3847
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Posted - 2015.03.15 10:44:45 -
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Kaleen Khadath wrote:(nice points were raised)
The failure to implement Incarna put CCP in a very tough position.
Afterwards, they needed to:
1- fix broken and disfunctional content (paying the "development debt") 2- update the functioning content to keep the player base interested 3- expand the game content to reach players not interested in the existing content
But only have the time and resources for TWO of those... barely.
Failing to do 1 would had killed CCP every year since 2011 Failing to do 2 could kill them in a couple of years Failing to do 3 will kill them for sure but the date is uncertain
So they hope to finish 1 while doing 2 in order to still have time left to perform 3... but that's impossible.
CCP had a small chance to perform 2 & 3 if they had kept working on WiS... but they didn't. Relevant people in the orgnization had spoiled it big time and others were vindicated and shot WiS dead (FAI, the very influential Art team). They went to upgrading EVE's core spaceships game and by doing that they lost all chances to retain and draw in players who weren't interested in such core spaceships game.
And now those players have got better things to do than play EVE's core spaceships game. It's no longer "play EVE or F2P crap".
I've said that CCP Seagull is the right person to do what needs to be done, even if it's wrong and will kill EVE. I had hopes that she could save the farm, but that's impossible at this point. What can be done, she's doing it nicely. But as Ripard Teg put it, she's performing EVE's last run to the fences, and they won't make it.
The colonization of new space beyond player built gates in new sovereignty space is too little, too late, and fails to adress the nastiest truth in EVE Online:
EVE Online is being paid by people who still don't know that they don't like it.
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Aragoni
Black Talon Command Mercury Seven
186
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Posted - 2015.03.15 10:55:39 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:EVE Online is being paid by people who still don't know that they don't like it.
And here you are.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3847
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Posted - 2015.03.15 11:30:40 -
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Aragoni wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:EVE Online is being paid by people who still don't know that they don't like it. And here you are.
Funny, isn't it? It's like coffee. I don't like it, but I like milk alone less than milk with instant coffee. So, here I am, buying coffee...
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
605
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Posted - 2015.03.15 12:14:12 -
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Aren't these people who want 3D avatars to wander around stations amongst each other (with emotes they also badgered CCP into "introducing") going to be really surprised when they discover they comprise such a limited minority of the playerbase (no matter how loudly they screech otherwise) that they barely merit the bandwidth this and other WiS posts are sopping up?
Imagine, playing WoW and having that hippodragonpanda emoting such fabulous things as *sob* or *cheer*, then coming over here to discover EVE only has spaceships! Spaceships? Is that ALL???? It must be quite a shock. Believe me, we'd sympathize, but you need to show us some sign of brain function so we know we're not shouting into an empty cavern.
[insert flame here]
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1596
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Posted - 2015.03.15 12:28:57 -
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Aragoni wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:EVE Online is being paid by people who still don't know that they don't like it. And here you are.
Me too, skill training online waiting for "I haven't got a clue*". -.-
Edit: *That's not walking in stations, dancing... fake drinking bree... etc. |
Vyl Vit
1091
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Posted - 2015.03.15 16:18:53 -
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Maybe we should be honored. We're in the presence of a psychological condition specific to internet gaming. It doesn't even have a name! (Maybe would could get around to this.) What are the symptoms?
1.) Games on the internet (simple, naturally.)
2.) Is easily bored with games, but just doesn't know why.
3.) Thinks he/she is real good at any game he/she has an account with, regardless of his/her actual game play.
4.) Wanders to "other" games to spread this "expertise."
5.) Invades their forums to tell the "fools already there" just how to make "the perfect game."
6.) The perfect game is inevitably his/her favorite game he/she has an account for but is bored with already.
7.) Repeats procedure ad infinitum succeeding only in compiling a long list of games he/she "plays."
8.) Measures success in gaming with the length of said list.
So glad you found us. Therapy is coming soon. Until then, go back to playing with your bellybutton lint. We'll let you know.
Anyone with any sense has already left town.
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
608
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Posted - 2015.03.15 16:24:59 -
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Yo. Vyl. How do you spell "contempt"?
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Marsha Mallow
2031
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Posted - 2015.03.15 17:35:17 -
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For all the people whittering on about how Star Citizen and ED will kil EvE, there's a comment here from a dev that's worth taking into consideration. I'm inclined to agree that more sci-fi games on the market is a good thing. You could see it as a chance for other companies to invest the resources into testing gameplay mechanics and proving which ones work/don't rather than something to be worried about.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Relax, it is only a game and elections work on popularity, not competence.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1107
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Posted - 2015.03.16 02:04:46 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:For all of the people whittering on about how Star Citizen and ED will kill EvE, there's a comment here from a dev that's worth taking into consideration. I'm inclined to agree that more sci-fi games on the market is a good thing. You could see it as a chance for other companies to invest the resources into testing gameplay mechanics and proving which ones work/don't rather than something to be worried about. WiS is part of the original design.Pok Nibin wrote:Aren't these people who want 3D avatars to wander around stations amongst each other (with emotes they also badgered CCP into "introducing") going to be really surprised when they discover they comprise such a limited minority of the playerbase (no matter how loudly they screech otherwise) that they barely merit the bandwidth this and other WiS posts are sopping up?
Imagine, playing WoW and having that hippodragonpanda emoting such fabulous things as *sob* or *cheer*, then coming over here to discover EVE only has spaceships! Spaceships? Is that ALL???? It must be quite a shock. Believe me, we'd sympathize, but you need to show us some sign of brain function so we know we're not shouting into an empty cavern.
[insert flame here] I would be happy with the ability to invite people into the Captain's Quarters. I don't know, pretty weird of me but I would rather "see" who I am talking to during a meeting than stroke my phallic ship.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
316
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Posted - 2015.03.16 02:11:05 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Feu dAstres wrote:... Eve Valkyrie looks like perhaps the next extension of possibilities. Don't know why but I can never see the hidden image in those 3D posters we used to have. I can't use 3D glasses they ones that look like they are made for a solar eclipse just make me cry constantly and don't seem to work. VR also just messes with my eyes and looks really weird. I could use low refresh rate CRTs and hardly see the scanning. So, I don't think it is anything along those lines.
Probably an interocular distance thing. I can take two photos from a slightly different place then hold them up crossing my eyes and see 3-D. |
Healthy Mary
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.03.16 04:19:57 -
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Forget walking... when do we get to strut, gambol, or sashay in stations? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7955
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Posted - 2015.03.16 04:31:46 -
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Healthy Mary wrote:Forget walking... when do we get to strut, gambol, or sashay in stations?
I think if you did anything but slowly shuffle, you'd not only be a danger to those around you, but would likely have black eyes all the time. Those things thrusting from your chest are lethal weapons when not respected. Never strut or sashay when equiped with triple Ds.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
1107
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Posted - 2015.03.16 04:35:11 -
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Healthy Mary wrote:Forget walking... when do we get to strut, gambol, or sashay in stations? I proceed. Others shuffle along in half bows, eyes averted.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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SOV is stagnant because Low Sec is not the next step from High Sec and a viable place to grow alliances to the point they can challenge Null alliances.
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
649
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Posted - 2015.03.16 06:13:39 -
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First and foremost I think EvE's population has slightly dropped in recent days since I started playing (around 2010) - that being said I do not think that the game itself is actually dying. More so cleansing things like BOTs etc. Once the primary re-balancing passes have been completed (to the point where it isn't solely Ishtars or any other ship) and new content is implemented I would not be surprised to see the numbers start to come back up.
The notion that WIS would kill EvE is silly though in my opinion - unless you add a degree of violence to the whole ordeal. Many people will always want to Pew-Pew with other people in game. Those who would stay in station would most likely be newer players (More people paying) or people who already do not undock. Assuming role-players are there; a course of action is layed out, hair frizzled and people pissed off. Now what? Words now need to be put into action.
Regardless, I do hope that walking in stations becomes implemented and that CCP adds a large amount of gambling activities and other things for players to do. Implementing it with Dust Bunny Slaves and Legion Master Race players will also be fantastic - as it will allow us to coordinate with them and actually bring forth meaningful impact. Currently the only way to do this is out of game (for the most part) making it to meta reliant. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2248
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Posted - 2015.03.16 20:20:01 -
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It's not dying its stagnating. CCP failed to diversify its player base. Instead of implementing content to satisfy all the major segments of its player base PvP, PvE and Industry / Trade they focused exclusively on a subsection of PvP (alliances) and largely ignored PvE, PvP (solo, small gang), PvE, industry and trade. They also failed to implement proper moderation of exploits / unintended game mechanics (a good example is the Lofty exploit that was allowed to persist for years).
Another great example is CCPs inabilty to properly react to increasely larger blobs and the associated lag. One of the consequences of CCPs poor design decisions is the ability to defeat an enemy by bringing more ships. It doesn't take a genius to figure that without a consequence to numbers, each party to a conflict will over time seek to bring greater and greater numbers.
Instead of implementing a system of deminished returns on numbers they bandaid the symptoms and fail to address the disease.
Games are sold largely due to word of mouth (or typing fingers) not how many ships you can stream fighting at 1 fps before your servers crash.
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Tarpedo
Incursionista
1492
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Posted - 2015.03.16 20:20:27 -
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By the way: EVE may become less relevant soon as I see another potential competitor is emerging, from direction opposite to spaceship game - from "WiS". The game is focused on avatars at the moment and this part is actually very good (toons have same quality as in EVE, if not better) - but I'm 100% sure they'll add spaceships long before 2017, it's the next logical step: multiple planets are visible within the game right now and previous MMO game by the same devs had combat ships.
Interesting times. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3849
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Posted - 2015.03.16 20:40:06 -
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Tarpedo wrote:By the way: without WiS EVE may become even less relevant soon as I see another potential competitor is emerging, from direction opposite to spaceship game - from "WiS". The game is focused on avatars at the moment and this part is actually very good (toons have same quality as in EVE, if not better) - but I'm 100% sure they'll add spaceships long before 2017, it's the next logical step: multiple planets are visible within the game right now and previous MMO game by the same devs had combat ships. And unlike many others - "kickstarted" - competitors this game does not look like naive semi-amateur project but somewhat expensive development ($15-20M probably) + it's created by experienced team with multiple successful games behind them.
Interesting times.
Could you evemail me the name of that game?
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Serene Repose
2404
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:09:07 -
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I somehow sense there are people who think if they just keep saying it over and over "WiS...WiS...WiS..." while clicking the heels of their ruby slippers, the man behind the curtain is going to be hypnotized into making it happen....visit somebody in their quarters...in a game about spaceships. One can only hope that during this annoyingly repetitive process, they talk themselves into loading a game where they can go visit each other in their quarters. Isn't that Sim Somethin' or Other.?
This takes "delusional" to an entirely new level, which in itself is interesting, I guess. Maybe these are the same people who, when trudging across a desert, point to the horizon and say, "Look! A lake!" Then, wander off never again to be seen.
One can only hope.
PRO TIP: When trudging across a desert with empty canteens the first to say, "I'm thirsty," dies.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to type on your keyboard and remove all doubt.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
34819
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:18:32 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Healthy Mary wrote:Forget walking... when do we get to strut, gambol, or sashay in stations? I proceed. Others shuffle along in half bows, eyes averted. You're not on the CSM yet.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10184
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:19:23 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:It's not dying its stagnating. CCP failed to diversify its player base. Instead of implementing content to satisfy all the major segments of its player base PvP, PvE and Industry / Trade they focused exclusively on a subsection of PvP (alliances) and largely ignored PvE, PvP (solo, small gang), PvE, industry and trade. They also failed to implement proper moderation of exploits / unintended game mechanics (a good example is the Lofty exploit that was allowed to persist for years).
Another great example is CCPs inabilty to properly react to increasely larger blobs and the associated lag. One of the consequences of CCPs poor design decisions is the ability to defeat an enemy by bringing more ships. It doesn't take a genius to figure that without a consequence to numbers, each party to a conflict will over time seek to bring greater and greater numbers.
Instead of implementing a system of deminished returns on numbers they bandaid the symptoms and fail to address the disease.
Games are sold largely due to word of mouth (or typing fingers) not how many ships you can stream fighting at 1 fps before your servers crash.
ROTFLMAO (old I know, but nothing else fits)
Well look who slinked back after failing in the campaign to get people to not play this game (by going to every possible website complaining about EVE).
And here you are, with posting right demonstrating that in one way or another, you just paid CCP ( a company you HATE) for access, after swearing you wouldn't come back.
ROTFLMAO again. I'm honestly sitting at the keyboard crying it's so damn funny. How is it possible that people exist that swear something is dying while they themselves keep paying to keep it on life support. Hot damn this is epic.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12149
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:21:30 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: And here you are, with posting right demonstrating that in one way or another, you just paid CCP ( a company you HATE) for access, after swearing you wouldn't come back.
Not just swearing they wouldn't come back.
Making five threads about it here, then making a thread on mmorpg.com about it, defaming the game and everyone who plays it.
I am in stitches.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10186
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:28:05 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Aragoni wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:EVE Online is being paid by people who still don't know that they don't like it. And here you are. Funny, isn't it? It's like coffee. I don't like it, but I like milk alone less than milk with instant coffee. So, here I am, buying coffee...
The most supreme Irony is that the people like you defeat your own goals. If you left and didn't come back and enough disappointed people did the same, you might actually get what you wanted (the near death of EVE that forces CCP to mainstream it with crap like WiS). But it's YOUR SUBS (or your use of plex that pours even more money into CCPs coffers) that keeps EVE a spaceship only game. Thanks for that btw.
It's incredible, you left and swore to not come back, IZ did the same and yet here are both of you in this very thread paying a company you hate to make a game that disappoints you.
It's not the fact that you do this incredibly screwed up thing, it's your 15 bucks go crazy, some people pay women in leather to beat them like they are step-children lol. The problem is how in every discussion with you types you act like it's US (regular people) who are somehow cracked. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12152
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:32:12 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: It's not the fact that you do this incredibly screw up thing, it's your 15 bucks go crazy, some people pay women in leather to beat them like they are step-children lol. The problem is how in every discussion with you types you act like it US (regular people) who are somehow cracked.
Hey now, don't knock bondage as a profession. It's a good career starter and income source for aspiring young actresses, and it's far more respectable than going on Springer or some such.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
769
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Posted - 2015.03.16 22:44:43 -
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Heh, a walking in stations thread.
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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Tykari
The Observatory Celestial Imperative
163
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Posted - 2015.03.16 23:35:58 -
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Personally I have never had anything against the idea of WiS content. The idea of being to walk around in the stations and perhaps even on the surface of planets does have a certain appeal and there is potential to add other components of gameplay. That said, the way CCP handled WiS was terrible and even worse it seemed to actually get in the way of fixing and maintaining the spaceships part of the game. If CCP had the resources to do both in a good fashion so one doesn't interfere with the other I'd be all for it. It would be a good way to expand EVE a little more into the ultimate scifi game, provide some new aspects to the game without forcing anyone into them and likely draw in some new players. EVE isn't just one play style, every player has their preference, I don't see why WiS couldn't be just another area of the game people choose to play.
In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23977
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Posted - 2015.03.17 00:18:40 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: It's not the fact that you do this incredibly screwed up thing, it's your 15 bucks go crazy, some people pay women in leather to beat them like they are step-children lol. The problem is how in every discussion with you types you act like it's US (regular people) who are somehow cracked.
$15 is an order of magnitude off for the going rate for a service like this. For those whom I've helped experience this, I have been told that it's an incredibly cathartic experience and worth every penny. The difference here is that the experience comes with its own physical and emotional release.. which justifies the price of entry.
Folks hung up on WIS on the other hand are not paying for release.. they are experiencing something that admittedly gives them no pleasure..
#afkleadership -óߦªß¦ç-ó
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7968
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Posted - 2015.03.17 00:53:33 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: It's not the fact that you do this incredibly screwed up thing, it's your 15 bucks go crazy, some people pay women in leather to beat them like they are step-children lol. The problem is how in every discussion with you types you act like it's US (regular people) who are somehow cracked.
$15 is an order of magnitude off for the going rate for a service like this. For those whom I've helped experience this, I have been told that it's an incredibly cathartic experience and worth every penny. The difference here is that the experience comes with its own physical and emotional release.. which justifies the price of entry. Folks hung up on WIS on the other hand are not paying for release.. they are experiencing something that admittedly gives them no pleasure..
WIS, nerf highsec, get rid of NPC corps, make Bluesec a God mode area, nerf ganking, remove bumping, etc.
We see that **** all day long in here. Everyone is hung up on something. They want what they want and don't care how it will affect game balance. So they cry and they cry in every thread that's even remotely close to their pet cause.
But since they pay their subs, it''s fully acceptable for them to whine all day every day, even though any thinking person knows CCP is not stupid enough to pander to their incessant mewling. Nothing will come of most of these deceased equines because to implement them would be game breaking.
Here's the thing about WIS, though. It would not be game breaking. It would be a good addition that would likely multiply the player base many fold. The people with the WASD phobia will keep to their ships and the massive influx of a whole new demographic will hang out in stations. It's a win/win. More players, more money for CCP, more new people to try and recruit into player corps.
So, even though I don't see it happening any time soon, I'll not begrudge people for not letting it go. It's a great dream to have. One that CCP shares with those that want to see some implementation of avatar gameplay.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2248
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Posted - 2015.03.17 01:54:10 -
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I don't recall saying I wasn't coming back. I recall saying I was leaving. Anyways I do what I like, its a human condition to change ones mind and I missed Walrus and the other sad lonely souls that live to troll these forums.
I would have been back sooner but I bought a gym and have been busy with that.
I noticed the majority of the things I suggested (cooldowns on supers, sov changes to make sov taking easier, the issue with extraordinary amounts of isk coming from null pve) have both been confirmed, implemented or soon to be implemented.
So I thought I'd come back and try them out....
Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467
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