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alexandra animal
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Posted - 2006.10.04 09:42:00 -
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Ok is the price tag on a hac worth it as i love cruisers and my thorax and was thinking of training up for hac.What i want to know are HAC's good for pvp or would a bs be better. Also 1last question could a HAC take a BS on at a 1v1 fight thanks.
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Pablos Ine
Aquarius Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.04 09:46:00 -
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HACS can take on BS, Ive heard lots of stories of people soloing BS in a vagabond for eg. And even Zealots.
But I would happily take on any 1.. or possibly 2 (depending what they were) in my Domi.
but thats not to say Domi is the ultimate, there great, but not undefeatable. 400x120@24000 bytes or less please. -Capsicum
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.04 09:54:00 -
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HACs are cruisers with more firepower and a better tank.
IMO they're not worth their price tag. A fully T2 fitted BS probably costs a similar amount, and of that 100mil is insurable.
IMO they're pretty comparable, assuming sufficiently skilled on both sides.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.10.04 09:56:00 -
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BS has the superior firepower, HAC can have the superior tank (depends a lot on damage types though). The HAC tanks can be *that* good, that a single BS might find itself unable to break them... in some cases. Sore, the other way around is also true, fit improperly, let yourself "open" in a certain damage type the enemy can deal, and get wasted by a handfull of volleys.
All in all, it really depends on the pilots and fittings so nothing is certain, but you'll see the HAC winning much more often in HAC-vs-BS engagement. It could be because most HAC pilots already had their "field experience" in BSs and know what to expect, while some BS pilots are still trying out their ship. Or it could be anything else :P __ Always question everything. Including yourself. |
MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.04 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pablos Ine HACS can take on BS, Ive heard lots of stories of people soloing BS in a vagabond for eg. And even Zealots.
compare same sp bs pilot vs hac pilot, bs wins without a problem, there's not muuch need to train hacs cause bs > hac except maybe vaga that have frig speed or eagle that can snipe any **** out there, and muninn maybe. others hac r useless cause
mega > deimos domi > ishtar raven > cerberus [not in all situations mb in lvl 4 cerb is better cause too many cruisers here] armageddon > zealot sacrilage just suck hard.. lol
and they expensive this ******* t2 bpo owners just speculate with them, but soon ass kali hits with invention system prices maybe will be dropped and hacs will shine? cause for they firepower and less then bs prices they can be good..
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.10.04 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: MECTO compare same sp bs pilot vs hac pilot, bs wins without a problem, there's not muuch need to train hacs cause bs > hac except maybe vaga that have frig speed or eagle that can snipe any **** out there, and muninn maybe. others hac r useless cause
mega > deimos domi > ishtar raven > cerberus [not in all situations mb in lvl 4 cerb is better cause too many cruisers here] armageddon > zealot sacrilage just suck hard.. lol
and they expensive this ******* t2 bpo owners just speculate with them, but soon ass kali hits with invention system prices maybe will be dropped and hacs will shine? cause for they firepower and less then bs prices they can be good..
In a strict damage for damage, skillpoint for skillpoint comparison that is correct, however there is one very important thing missing. HAC's have a speed and agility advantage over BS, and as such have the ability to choose their fights much better.
This means that a HAC has a much better chance of running from a fight it cannot win, where a BS may well have to sit there and die. As such, a HAC can attempt engaging a battleship, and should the BS pilot or setup prove superior can fairly easily get away.
Thus, as a hunting, or roaming PVP vessel, a HAC can often be the better choice (Vagabond being the ultimate example here).
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alexandra animal
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Posted - 2006.10.04 10:19:00 -
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Ok here'sthe deal i have been playing coming on a year but wasmainly mission running (lvl4) in a raven and have recently got into pvp whilst training upmy gallante skills i am in a mega and raven so should i8 just max out allmy gunnery to t2 large blasters/rails then go for the hacs.
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Agent2 Holtze
Amarr Barracudas.
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Posted - 2006.10.04 10:33:00 -
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It all depends of setups on the two ships and how the assault is done, but alot of times i would attack BS's in my hac.
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.04 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Agent2 Holtze It all depends of setups on the two ships and how the assault is done, but alot of times i would attack BS's in my hac.
would u attack cruise precision raven or nosdomi? blastermega or autopest?
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.10.04 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: MECTO
Originally by: Agent2 Holtze It all depends of setups on the two ships and how the assault is done, but alot of times i would attack BS's in my hac.
would u attack cruise precision raven or nosdomi? blastermega or autopest?
When fighting the setups you have described (well maybe not nos domi), you don't know the enemy setup fully until they start shooting back. In such situations HAC's are great, as they can engage and run if they need to. With BS you are often far more "locked in" to a fight, and are far more prone to being jumped or trapped.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.04 10:48:00 -
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For a little more training, command ships are not only cheaper than HACs, but will pwn both HACs and BSs
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Agent2 Holtze
Amarr Barracudas.
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Posted - 2006.10.04 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Agent2 Holtze on 04/10/2006 10:51:52
Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: MECTO
Originally by: Agent2 Holtze It all depends of setups on the two ships and how the assault is done, but alot of times i would attack BS's in my hac.
would u attack cruise precision raven or nosdomi? blastermega or autopest?
When fighting the setups you have described (well maybe not nos domi), you don't know the enemy setup fully until they start shooting back. In such situations HAC's are great, as they can engage and run if they need to. With BS you are often far more "locked in" to a fight, and are far more prone to being jumped or trapped.
my optimal on my ishtars/EOS'/curses is between 25 and 30 km so yes i would give it a try on all the bs's before warping out or finish them off =)
Flying my zealot into a battle vs a BS is a bit more tricky.
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The Rincewind
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: The Rincewind on 05/10/2006 12:14:20 Edited by: The Rincewind on 05/10/2006 12:12:03 once i had a bunch of luck while i was ratting
boom there was an vagabound and aproached me with AB within 12km to nos me.
I was just lucky cuz i had faction items on my Apoc like True Sansha Webber True Sansha Large Armor repairer and med drones exp damage and Megapulse.
The fight was absolutly close but with my webber i was able to hit the vagabound easily but not that hard.... just my drones were able to freak his shild tank down and the fakt that he moved out of his nos range to left my web range.
After 3 min fighting he warped out with 3 % structure left and i was down to 70% structure...
I think it was just the moment who twitches first and i won.
But i m realy sure it was just the mistake of the vaga pilot. Otherwise he killed me.
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Mazare Mircea
Gallente Afterlife inc
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 05/10/2006 12:33:00 Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 05/10/2006 12:32:17 If the BS pilot has some decent drone skills, a decent tank, and 1 heavy nos, i don't see how a HAC could possibly win ... except maybe for the Cerberus as it acts like a long range sniper.
PS: Most Deimos's are gank with blasters, that means close range, webber + nos + screambler range. Zealots likewise. Ishtar is probably kinda tough but many ppl fit med nos, and even with faction you get just 19km and at that range a BS fitted with 1 Heavy Nos will suck him dry in a few cycles - many Ishtar pilots also fit 2 ECM Multispectrals. Vagabonds use 220 T2 AC's, which mean that the pilot will try to get within 14km of you which is well withing Heavy Nos range. Munnin is mostly a sniper, many fit T2 arty on it, so this is gonna be tough. Cerberus + Eagle likewise. Let me put it like this, fit 1 Heavy Nos on a close range setup and you will have some chances of winning. Use the drone bay and you're chances improve. As for the snipers, they need support for tackling. -----
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:26:00 -
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bs > hacs depeds on how dumb pilots is that may cange
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The Rincewind
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mazare Mircea Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 05/10/2006 12:33:00 Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 05/10/2006 12:32:17 If the BS pilot has some decent drone skills, a decent tank, and 1 heavy nos, i don't see how a HAC could possibly win ... except maybe for the Cerberus as it acts like a long range sniper.
PS: Most Deimos's are gank with blasters, that means close range, webber + nos + screambler range. Zealots likewise. Ishtar is probably kinda tough but many ppl fit med nos, and even with faction you get just 19km and at that range a BS fitted with 1 Heavy Nos will suck him dry in a few cycles - many Ishtar pilots also fit 2 ECM Multispectrals. Vagabonds use 220 T2 AC's, which mean that the pilot will try to get within 14km of you which is well withing Heavy Nos range. Munnin is mostly a sniper, many fit T2 arty on it, so this is gonna be tough. Cerberus + Eagle likewise. Let me put it like this, fit 1 Heavy Nos on a close range setup and you will have some chances of winning. Use the drone bay and you're chances improve. As for the snipers, they need support for tackling.
I didn t used a nos! I ve had 8 mega pulse on that apoc. I think that vaga pilot were new with that ship. If he wouldn t left his nos range he properbly pwned me.
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Sovereign533
Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:42:00 -
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i can only say that the Eagle PWNS at 200km range :)
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sovereign533 i can only say that the Eagle PWNS at 200km range :)
I will see your Eagle, and raise you a Rohk.
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Waut
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.05 12:57:00 -
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Battleships are better overall BUT HAC's are sexier
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Kunming
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: alexandra animal Ok is the price tag on a hac worth it as i love cruisers and my thorax and was thinking of training up for hac.What i want to know are HAC's good for pvp or would a bs be better. Also 1last question could a HAC take a BS on at a 1v1 fight thanks.
You said you are a thorax pilot and I assume when training for a HAC you will be going for the deimos, well I cant tell you train or dont train for something, but I strongly advise you to check out the huge deimos thread before you do. I'm sure they gonna fix it at some point but that point might be couple years ahead who knows...
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Damis Zohar
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.10.05 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Damis Zohar on 05/10/2006 13:39:59
Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: alexandra animal Ok is the price tag on a hac worth it as i love cruisers and my thorax and was thinking of training up for hac.What i want to know are HAC's good for pvp or would a bs be better. Also 1last question could a HAC take a BS on at a 1v1 fight thanks.
You said you are a thorax pilot and I assume when training for a HAC you will be going for the deimos, well I cant tell you train or dont train for something, but I strongly advise you to check out the huge deimos thread before you do. I'm sure they gonna fix it at some point but that point might be couple years ahead who knows...
Stay away from the Deimos Its an over priced dust collector
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