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Esnaelc Sin'led
AdAstra. Beach Club Red Whines.
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Posted - 2015.02.01 16:38:58 -
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Epikurus wrote:Fun as this forum smack is, the reality is that GalMil is a bunch of very fine pilots who, rightly, haven't hesitated for a second in the past when it has come to bringing the hammer down on a completely outclassed enemy (those Bohica Ishtars did some quite nasty work against CalMil, for instance). You should be proud about taking Snuff on but you really shouldn't be whining about Snuff using the tools that they have at their disposal to beat you. The fact is, you would do exactly the same in their position.
You're totally right, and i see some impartial thoughts.
The fact is that GalMil is not complaining at all about what Snuffed Out is using against us. Like you said, we'd do the same. GalMil, well at least _me_, is only smiling at people smack talkin' about how their ennemies are so weak.
They know we can't face them anymore, so why bother chest-beating about how strong they are in a Factional Warfare zone with no challenge at all anymore ? |
Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
191
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Posted - 2015.02.01 16:40:18 -
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There is no such a thing as "out of line" when it comes to smack talk!
Sadly we live in these civilizations or societies where true freedom of speech actually doesn't seem to exist.
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
191
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Posted - 2015.02.01 16:42:46 -
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xxMads wrote:You guys are all faggots..
The end. I'm really surprised this word is allowed on here, I got banned for talking about ****, I'm sure calling people faggots is a "punishable offense".
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
445
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Posted - 2015.02.01 17:00:33 -
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"Btw perhaps if you and roy had some balls you mite of made us work for this moon, But tbh what can we expect from galmil much the same way as the US army cowards."
This above is the offensive Perunga quote itt, for those sidetracked with the internet spaceship gripes. Who really gives a **** about Snuff dropping supers and mewling to Calmil for backup. Everyone in this game does **** like that if they aren't certain of a victory.
The point is though the stupid rl insult. I'm sure there was plenty of leadership drama behind Perunga leaving Galmil. But calling the US army cowards? Where the hell did that come from? Perunga lost his mind a while ago.
CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
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Ronga Dosloe
Moira. Villore Accords
2
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Posted - 2015.02.01 17:06:16 -
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Epikurus wrote:Ronga Dosloe wrote:Epikurus wrote:Ronga Dosloe wrote:News just in Snuff continue to pick fights with the smallest kid they can find The Gallente self-image has changed radically in the last few months. Not long ago it was all chest-beating about how you could stand toe to toe with Snuff and were actively provoking them to fight you. Now you're 'the smallest kid' getting bullied by the nasty big guys? We were chest beating because we killed a few snuff fleets after they escalated with capitals and supers which is a big deal for us and rightfully so. Bohica were actively provoking Snuff by RFing everything in sight, us other guys in GalMil weren't RFing anything at the time. The only reason we could actually beat Snuff those few times was that Bohica put in the work RFing towers, and added enough to our numbers with Ishtars, dreads, HIC and stuff that we could actually stand toe to toe for bit. Without them ofc we cant match a 40 man T3 fleet with capitals and supers on stand by. So you're saying that now the nullsec tourists, having got you into a conflict you weren't really suited for, have left your side you're now the 'smallest kid' in lowsec. Fun as this forum smack is, the reality is that GalMil is a bunch of very fine pilots who, rightly, haven't hesitated for a second in the past when it has come to bringing the hammer down on a completely outclassed enemy (those Bohica Ishtars did some quite nasty work against CalMil, for instance). You should be proud about taking Snuff on but you really shouldn't be whining about Snuff using the tools that they have at their disposal to beat you. The fact is, you would do exactly the same in their position. Smallest kid they can find doesn't mean smallest kid in low sec what so ever and its pretty clear it doesn't say that.
Next we regularly try to match fleet comps to get good fights as is the nature of FW reshipping, if you turn up in armour cruisers we aren't exactly known to try and drop battleships and triage on you.
Finally we wouldn't be in FW if we formed 40 man t3 fleets with capitals and super on standby, people in GalMil who want to do that leave and join Snuff, SC or some other group that flys them. So we wouldn't be in their position in the first place, but the original point was about Snuff outclassing us and smacking why we don't drop dreads again etc, not the fact that they shouldn't fly to win tower timers etc.
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
191
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Posted - 2015.02.01 17:21:27 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:"Btw perhaps if you and roy had some balls you mite of made us work for this moon, But tbh what can we expect from galmil much the same way as the US army cowards." This above is the offensive Perunga quote itt, for those sidetracked with the internet spaceship gripes. Who really gives a **** about Snuff dropping supers and mewling to Calmil for backup. Everyone in this game does **** like that if they aren't certain of a victory. The point is though the stupid rl insult. I'm sure there was plenty of leadership drama behind Perunga leaving Galmil. But calling the US army cowards? Where the hell did that come from? Perunga lost his mind a while ago. Maybe he was speaking his mind. Or maybe he was trying to **** you off.
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
400
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Posted - 2015.02.01 18:49:46 -
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Why is **** censored and ****** isn't?
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2015.02.01 20:10:50 -
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lol, perunga sure knows how to rustle some peeps jimmies. |
Oreb Wing
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
61
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Posted - 2015.02.01 22:50:12 -
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Perunga is super chill, man. I never had a problem with his straightforwardness. It was a riot.
As for this. Bah, I hope it doesn't get blown out of proportion. We all stick our head in our rear sometimes. People who want to get politically correct should be mindful of the history of their own mother country before we go down that road. Let it be. We have civilians on our own shores saying these same things lately. It's a sensitive subject. Honor the dead, don't be bastards, and if you're gonna have one foot in the subject, make sure you understand what we - what others - have been fighting. War is kinda like a fist fight. It's gonna get dirty if there's a biter.
I would hate for this to keep escalating to something similar, like, say, the recent bonus room thing. In the end, people should see that a man thought it was worth making a fool of himself for internet fake money. I never listened to it myself. Others should ask why they chose to, and not be so easily influenced by the crowd. Or in this case the news which led to the parroted smack talk.
Besides. The best that snuff's got came from Galmil. :p bunch of hand biters |
Yuri Antollare
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
113
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Posted - 2015.02.02 02:03:41 -
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Ronga Dosloe wrote:Epikurus wrote:Ronga Dosloe wrote:News just in Snuff continue to pick fights with the smallest kid they can find The Gallente self-image has changed radically in the last few months. Not long ago it was all chest-beating about how you could stand toe to toe with Snuff and were actively provoking them to fight you. Now you're 'the smallest kid' getting bullied by the nasty big guys? We were chest beating because we killed a few snuff fleets after they escalated with capitals and supers which is a big deal for us and rightfully so. Bohica were actively provoking Snuff by RFing everything in sight, us other guys in GalMil weren't RFing anything at the time. The only reason we could actually beat Snuff those few times was that Bohica put in the work RFing towers, and added enough to our numbers with Ishtars, dreads, HIC and stuff that we could actually stand toe to toe for bit. Without them ofc we cant match a 40 man T3 fleet with capitals and supers on stand by.
Those Bohica Ishtars getting volleyed by Machs at range while the real fight happened at 0 with Megas, or the fight where they were in Domis at range while the fight was won or lost @ 0 with Megas? HICS/Dreads???? Did they manage to squeeze a dread into the group of galmill ones that dropped one fight? I didn't notice.
"us other guys in GalMil weren't RFing anything at the time." Moira does not equal Galmill.
"Without them ofc we cant match a 40 man T3 fleet with capitals and supers on stand by" Like the fight two weeks ago? |
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
402
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Posted - 2015.02.02 03:54:36 -
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Yuri Antollare wrote:Those Bohica Ishtars getting volleyed by Machs at range while the real fight happened at 0 with Megas, or the fight where they were in Domis at range while the fight was won or lost @ 0 with Megas? HICS/Dreads???? Did they manage to squeeze a dread into the group of galmill ones that dropped one fight? I didn't notice.
Honestly this ALWAYS bothered me about the fights with you guys. You were all risking ships and isk and they sat back at range and used you guys as meat shields. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
386
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Posted - 2015.02.02 04:35:44 -
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Michael Moore did it better. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2782
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Posted - 2015.02.02 04:43:40 -
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Thread too long.... PERUNGA's smacktalk is a reflection on him and not much else.
JUSTK is recruiting.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2782
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Posted - 2015.02.02 04:50:23 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Honestly this ALWAYS bothered me about the fights with you guys. You were all risking ships and isk and they sat back at range and used you guys as meat shields. Behind every good offense always is a good OL. Fights are won in the trenches baby. :D
JUSTK is recruiting.
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Domino Vyse
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
98
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Posted - 2015.02.02 06:40:16 -
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Perunga is a dickhead and always has been. Nothing new here. |
Dread Delgarth
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.02.02 11:02:05 -
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Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).
Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.
Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's. |
Lucas Padecain
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:01:45 -
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Dread Delgarth wrote:Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).
Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.
Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's.
What you just said is highly offensive to many people. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion but you should really think twice before posting something on a video game forum. Especially since you fail to take into account the vast majority of soldiers whose jobs are not combat related. As an example, my current MOS is Civil Affairs Specialist and our priority is to help people, not hurt them.
If you for some reason feel the need to speak up in a public forum again I urge you to actually research the topic instead of spreading your baseless and unfounded "ideas". Maybe then you won't look like a complete idiot. |
Dread Delgarth
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
57
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:40:12 -
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Lucas Padecain wrote:Dread Delgarth wrote:Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).
Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.
Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's. What you just said is highly offensive to many people. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion but you should really think twice before posting something on a video game forum. Especially since you fail to take into account the vast majority of soldiers whose jobs are not combat related. As an example, my current MOS is Civil Affairs Specialist and our priority is to help people, not hurt them. If you for some reason feel the need to speak up in a public forum again I urge you to actually research the topic instead of spreading your baseless and unfounded "ideas". Maybe then you won't look like a complete idiot. I find it rather sad that people playing a video game can be so enraged by a throwaway troll comment made in a private mail. I'll never understand why so many Americans put their troops on a pedestal and think they are beyond criticism. There are however some great people who have worn a U.S uniform, my personal favourite being Major General Smedley Butler. Anyway this is my last word on this, I play Eve to escape from RL crap not discuss it on the forums. |
Domino Vyse
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
98
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:40:57 -
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Dread Delgarth wrote:Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).
Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.
Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's.
Whilst I agree with you that western military has been misused for the benefit of corporate elites, there is alot of emotion on this topic, political standpoints, lost friends/family, patriotism etc, so I suggest you put your opinion forward in a less disrespectful way or just stfu. |
Esnaelc Sin'led
AdAstra. Beach Club Red Whines.
2
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:41:59 -
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Lucas Padecain wrote:Dread Delgarth wrote:Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).
Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.
Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's. What you just said is highly offensive to many people. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion but you should really think twice before posting something on a video game forum. Especially since you fail to take into account the vast majority of soldiers whose jobs are not combat related. As an example, my current MOS is Civil Affairs Specialist and our priority is to help people, not hurt them. If you for some reason feel the need to speak up in a public forum again I urge you to actually research the topic instead of spreading your baseless and unfounded "ideas". Maybe then you won't look like a complete idiot.
What Dread Delgarth is saying is that when you make the research you're asking him to do, and when you try to look things by another angle (not the one that Fox News spread for instance...) you will notice that each and every conflicts / war / battle in RL are systematically for Gas / Oil / PipeLines domination and NOT in any aspect supposedly for spreading democracy worldwide.
Anyone has the right to believe in what he thinks it's worth fighting for. But what ones think might just be what others made him think of. May be the word "idiot" is unapropriate, i'd say "un-taught". |
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Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
1426
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:55:52 -
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T H E R A B O I S now claim SOV in this thread
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
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Dread Delgarth
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
58
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Posted - 2015.02.02 13:56:59 -
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The above poster Esnaelc is right, my use of the word idiot may have been inappropriate and if that caused offence I apologise. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1340
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Posted - 2015.02.02 14:20:38 -
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This is highly off any topic and quite indulgent. But thats never stopped me before. As soon as you start telling people to not express their opinion because it upsets you, specially when they make a valid point, you really should introspect.
On this topic in particular, you become a useful idiot shielding the corrupt from criticism. At least the people in the military get paid to drop bombs on men women and children, their families just propagate an environment where its harder to criticize those actions.
If you have lost a loved one, either accept that they died doing what they wanted and be proud of their dubious job, or perhaps the more prudent course of action would have been to steer their lives away from being a gun for hire in the first place.
Either way, realize that it is far from productive to get upset at people who voice objections at the actions of the government as though they are blaming the troops.
I know sovereign nations need force to maintain independence. But if its going to be used aggressively it would be better, instead of all the lies, if they said something like 'were going to iraq and afghanistan to murder people and take their resources in the name of my rich associates. At least that would be honest. |
Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
192
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Posted - 2015.02.02 14:29:20 -
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Lucas Padecain wrote:Dread Delgarth wrote:Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).
Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.
Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's. What you just said is highly offensive to many people. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion but you should really think twice before posting something on a video game forum. Especially since you fail to take into account the vast majority of soldiers whose jobs are not combat related. As an example, my current MOS is Civil Affairs Specialist and our priority is to help people, not hurt them. If you for some reason feel the need to speak up in a public forum again I urge you to actually research the topic instead of spreading your baseless and unfounded "ideas". Maybe then you won't look like a complete idiot. So what if it's offensive? Are you going to cry about it? What's more offensive murdering people with bombs or speaking the truth?
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
449
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Posted - 2015.02.02 15:09:48 -
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One can have opinions about the political aspects of the recent middle east wars. And there are so many of them and so many sides. But the important thing is to remember that those opinions should be directed at the policies and the policy makers and not at the average soldier (most of whom were looking for help going to school or whatever and/or helping their country, and not involved in killing civilians). I may agree with some of the sentiments and viewpoints about the political and economic aspects of those wars expressed here. But to throw a blanket label at any country's individual soldiers is a mistake.
In this regard Perunga proved himself wanting, and sadly other posters itt as well.
RL politics should be kept out of this game. It only leads to conflict within your own in-game groupings for one thing. Perunga was called out and shamed for doing so across an in-game conflict. This thread will probably receive a much welcome lock soon. But it will be worth remembering.
CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
192
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Posted - 2015.02.02 16:06:18 -
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I thought this thread was for posting our own smack talk at first. Derp
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
192
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Posted - 2015.02.02 16:11:38 -
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As admirable as it is to want to serve your country for the better there needs to be a clear distinction between the importance of "the talk" and "the walk".
If someone calls you a poopy-head you probably wouldn't take it so seriously, despite the fact that it is probably untrue and "disrespectful" (whatever disrespectful actually means, the way I see it the meaning varies from person to person).
On the other hand it very well is true that a lot of military soldiers and leaders actually are just cowards; willingness to murder other humans doesn't automatically make you brave. Yet a true statement like this is met with far more retaliation than a dumber, more incoherent statement would be.
It's that thing where people take themselves and their ideas far too seriously because of brain-washing and national indoctrination.
I believe a person should be able to say anything they want without repercussion and that includes calling people faggots or just being a total bigot in general. Maybe I'm wrong or naive. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
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Dread Operative
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
403
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Posted - 2015.02.02 16:44:27 -
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Dread Delgarth wrote:Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).
I actually knew Chris Kyle from my time deployed to Iraq with the 1st MEF, and I respectfully say you can take you portentous misinformed opinion of him and stuff it. You don't get the level of PTSD by having racist or "serial killer" traits. Did he portray classics signs of combat PTSD that could be misconstrued as racism? Possibly, but it is extremely common to refer to the people you are fighting in a derogatory way and be wary about them (especially in a guerrilla warfare/suicide bombing setting). I had a hard time going to malls in southern California for years after I served because Mexicans and Arabs share similar features and I would have panic attacks, and I would like to saw I'm not racist.
All I am really saying, is should really know someone before you label them with something as vicious as "racist serial killers". |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1342
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Posted - 2015.02.02 17:02:52 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Dread Delgarth wrote:Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away). I actually knew Chris Kyle from my time deployed to Iraq with the 1st MEF, and I respectfully say you can take you portentous misinformed opinion of him and stuff it. You don't get the level of PTSD that he had by having racist or "serial killer" traits. Did he portray classics signs of combat PTSD that could be misconstrued as racism? Possibly, but it is extremely common to refer to the people you are fighting in a derogatory way and be wary about them (especially in a guerrilla warfare/suicide bombing setting). I had a hard time going to malls in southern California for years after I served because Mexicans and Arabs share similar features and I would have panic attacks, and I would like to saw I'm not racist. All I am really saying, is should really know someone before you label them with something as vicious as "racist serial killers".
This is a perfect example of why psych exams need to be improved. We really should only let psychopaths go to the front line as they are the ones we can rely on not being further damaged.
Incidentally, a lot of the militants in various middle east war zones are suffering in the same way.
As for Kyle, he wrote a book and made it very clear what kind of person he was. You dont rack up such a massive kill count by being discriminate. Though, there is a great deal of evidence that he is also a compulsive liar. Like his claims to have killed 30 US citizens in the looting after katrina. I think we can all safely say that is bullshit, so im prone to think the rest of his claims are too.
Some people are just like that. They start telling tall stories when they are kids and never grow out of it. |
Julius Foederatus
Spiritus Draconis
242
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Posted - 2015.02.02 17:26:48 -
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Can we go ahead and lock this now? |
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