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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2006.09.26 09:40:00 -
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Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 26/09/2006 09:46:12 There's been a rash of noob alt (probably trial account) chars with junk names spamming links to ISK selling sites in the main trade channels (ships, minerals and manufacturing, etc). It's always the same guy/bot, you can tell cause its exact same text (with exact same link that doesnt even work cause he missed a space like a noob).
Anyway... can we make trial accounts not be able to access these chans? It's getting pretty bad when 80% of the text in the channel is ISK selling site spam. In all the channels.
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spurious signal
Caldari Brainiacs
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:43:00 -
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Look, we all just have to accept the fact that EVE is now a full RMT (real money transfer) game.
Because of CCP's stance on GTC sales they have legitemised ISK purchase therefore the number of people buying ISK has gone through the roof. Because the market has increased massively ISK sellers are having a field day and therefore the amount of spam will only increase.
CCP aren't going to do anything about it now, it's too late. So you have 2 choices - either accept the RMT nature of EVE now or leave and play something else.
It sucks and I think it's ruining EVE but it's too late now, CCP don't give a rat's ass.
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KhanidKitten
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:52:00 -
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It's indeed unfortunate that EVE has effectively been taken over by ISK farmers. I have been playing for 18 months now and decided to cancel all 4 accounts. I have no intention on letting ISK farming criminals spoil my game-experience and it's very sad that CCP is unable to do anything to keep their true-player base And no, you cannot have my stuff...
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Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:54:00 -
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Should also block trial accounts from sending evemails. I'm getting alot of isk selling spam in my evemail inbox. Very annoying.
Forsch Defender of the empire
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Nigh7F0x
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: KhanidKitten It's indeed unfortunate that EVE has effectively been taken over by ISK farmers. I have been playing for 18 months now and decided to cancel all 4 accounts. I have no intention on letting ISK farming criminals spoil my game-experience and it's very sad that CCP is unable to do anything to keep their true-player base And no, you cannot have my stuff...
HAHA can i have your stuff? Seriously, if you really think that ISK farmers are ruining your game play, maybe you should quit trying to mine in high-sec space. Even in high-sec there are roid belts everywhere and they aren't all being farmed out.
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Ms Freak
Amarr NCN Navy
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:56:00 -
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Anyone noticed the increase in Isk-Eve-Mails also?
Currencey sales are a part of any MMORG and CCP put the GameTimeCard for isk thuing in to give people an option other than buying coughecoughbaycough.
Other than ban Trial Accounts from the forums, eve-mails and channels other than corp there's little CCP can do, it would be an interesting idea to see them put a maxmim on trial account wallets tho.. say 20mil? (i know this won't solve the "have 1 main with 300bil" issue but it would stop some of them).
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:56:00 -
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hi,
I've been getting about a mail a day from new accounts all directing me to the same site to buy isk.
Each time ive petitioned straight away.
What gets me is why can't CCP shut these sites down?
Can they?
Taur
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:58:00 -
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have to adapt to it
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KhanidKitten
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nigh7F0x
Originally by: KhanidKitten It's indeed unfortunate that EVE has effectively been taken over by ISK farmers. I have been playing for 18 months now and decided to cancel all 4 accounts. I have no intention on letting ISK farming criminals spoil my game-experience and it's very sad that CCP is unable to do anything to keep their true-player base And no, you cannot have my stuff...
HAHA can i have your stuff? Seriously, if you really think that ISK farmers are ruining your game play, maybe you should quit trying to mine in high-sec space. Even in high-sec there are roid belts everywhere and they aren't all being farmed out.
It's not the mining bit, but as a trader or producer it's nearly impossible to make any cash this way. Just think of all the new players that have no chance to make a decent start and don't have the skills/tools to go to low sec right away.....
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:04:00 -
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stop alt accoutns sending evemails
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KhanidKitten
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:11:00 -
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There might be one solution, but this would mean people actually need to do some work themselves ;-) These farmers totally rely on selling ore and/or minerals to get ISK, if nobody buys the ore or minerals they will just sit on their stockpile of ore. Larger corporations probably already do their own mining, but I think that's where you can stop them, just organize your own mining and the market for them will collapse under its own weight.....
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:12:00 -
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to KK wont happen tbh to many noob corpers buying and selling minerals
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Evil RedEye
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:20:00 -
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Maybe i'm too important to be harassed by these people but i've only ever personally recieved 4 mails across my account and my alt -shrugs-
It is a problem which needs sorting but there isnt an easy fix, every single idea people come up with has far too many downsides to it. Unfortunately I'm not sure if CCP has the power to take down the site that is selling these items. Maybe if CCP took a stance against Escrow Scams which admittedly I wouldnt be happy with because escrow scams ARE a part of the game and thats all there is to it, BUT i've looked at these sites and they tell you how to set them up so that they do actually look like escrow scams and so Devs GMs and whatnot cant argue if you say "oh look its just a scam".
But then again if CCP did that they'd only find another way like trade windows and using markets and stuf =(
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Necrosmith
Gallente Wife lets me play corp
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:29:00 -
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Simple solution to the Eve-mails: bump the cost of your eve-mails up to 100,000 isk.
The second I did that, all spam stopped.
Works like a charm.
The channel spam, otoh...
Best Regards,
--Necro
------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both." |
OutOfTheBox Cyborg
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:33:00 -
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Khanid - Maybe I am missing something here, but I don't see how isk farmers are making it hard for you to make any isk from trading/prodn. In my experience the bigger player numbers these days makes for bigger profits than ever, even with the extra competition and smaller profit margins. As for the macro miners, well I would guess that all the isk they sell goes back into the hands of traders and producers as soon as the isk buyer buys their nice new ship/fittings/implants etc. I don't really care about the isk farmers issue one way or another. To me it doesn't really matter whether the person I am playing against has mined 24/7 themselves, or in effect payed someone to do it for them while they are at work. Either way though, the extra isk circulating (rather than sitting in fat cat traders wallets doing nothing) is surely good for the traders/producers even if prices are slightly lower.
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Cantankerious
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Posted - 2006.09.26 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Cantankerious on 26/09/2006 12:07:13 lag....
And the LAG.
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Cantankerious
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Posted - 2006.09.26 12:07:00 -
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ISK Salesmanàà.
Well, to be perfectly honest, I have not been playing this game long. Just long enough for my Rookie Chat to finally go away. So, please bare with my rather n00bish approach to this topic.
Some of the Effects I have noticed concerning this topic-
-Trying to start out in this game is doubly hard, and only increasing in difficulty as time passes. [how can I put this politely] The <insert colorful remark here> macro miners are mining everything in areas where people have to start! (1.0-5.0 space).
-Trying to mine effectively (using a can) cannot be accomplish [at least by me] to any degree. The macro miners Haulers (non of which seem to speak English) will take YOUR can right along with the rest of the MacroerÆs cans. So unless you have like a Battleship or Cruiser that your mining with you cannot adequately defend your cans (and if you do so without, they show up with three cruisers or a few battleships and chase you off or kill you). Some other Effects- -To the Macro miner and all his minions this is NOT A GAME, but a JOB, or a Business. This game is not being used for Entertainment purposes like the vast majority of us are trying to use this game as. How can you compete with that using this game for Entertainment purpose only? You cannot.
-The game has, and is being taken over by ISK salesman, and therefore its not a game anymore but a Business. A business for the ISK salesman who I would image are not going to let players get in the way of them making REAL money.
I read up above that someone had said they are not in 0.4-0.0 Space. Its only a matter of time actually before they push you out of those sectors too. If you donÆt think the Macro miners are coming into 0.4-0.0 space sometime soon your delusional.
Conflict- There is an actual war going on in this gameà Too bad only the Macro miners are fighting it.
CPP seems to ignore the fact that there is a macro miner in just above ever sector of 0.8-0.5 space. They are not hard to spot actually. There are so many in some sectors they will actually BUMB YOU out of the way (instead of the other way around). Thought I read somewhere it was a violation to use a macro, but I could be wrong. : p
Honestly, I donÆt care if some Yahoo in China wants to sell ISK. I do know IÆm not giving anyone in China my credit card number.
I do mind the chat being full of advertisements, only because its annoying. I do mind getting email after email asking me to buy ISK.
I think what I mind the most though is having to try to compete with a select group of individuals who are actually in a business partnership trying to make money and killing, pushing, and chasing, and people out of the way in the process of the business they are trying to run in the game.
Like I said above, sorry, please bear with my n00bish approach, but this is what I see and how I am seeing it in the game.
I only wish CCP would have taken a more active roll in preventing this kind of thing. I am not a quitter though. However, if it gets much worse IÆm probably going to have to find something else. I already have a job I donÆt need another one in EVE competing vs. ISK Salesman.
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Burlock Ironfist
Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.26 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Burlock Ironfist on 26/09/2006 12:38:47 i disprove of isk sales but i cant agree with you when you say its ruining the game. i have just as much fun these days as i did when i started, i stil get to mine, rat, run missions and kill people as and when i want, so the guy can buy another ship quicker, great means i can kill him again.
I just dont see how they are ruining the game? Yeh i admit its unfair but sometimes i think people go over the top, it effects some elemets of the game but it doesnt ruin it as much as some peeple make out.
And no, i dont buy isk, nore sell it, and i dont support it.
But please doom sirens please see it in a bit of context before you predict the end of the world and quiting with you 27 account (always notice when somone quit they always state how many account they have like it will make any differnce)
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Andargor theWise
Disbelievers of Fate The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.09.26 13:43:00 -
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On the channel spam issue, rather than limit noobs, perhaps have a global channel block list.
If a set number of players, say 100, block a character in a channel, then that character is globally blocked for everyone in the channel. Kind of a "vote" system.
Sure, there's some room for abuse (if 100 people hate you, they can gag you), so that need to be addressed as well.
Just my 0.02 ISK - Got grief?
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.09.26 13:55:00 -
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Please remember this one very key fact:
While CCP can disable trial accounts from sending evemails, it will also hinder real players from trying out this game. This game isn't as easy to begin with as compared to WoW or some other game. You need evemail. A fine line needs to be determined and CCP needs to implement that.
With that being said I feel optimistic seeing this post
Edit: Maybe CCP should implement CAPTCHA ingame
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GM Eldini
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Posted - 2006.09.26 14:00:00 -
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Hello.
We are well aware of the current ISK Seller spam situation, and we are working on a permanent fix for this bothersome issue. Rest assured that this is not being ignored.
In the meanwhile, make useage of the "harassment" petition and give us their names, it leads to valuable information we can use to stop them once and for all. Note that if the spam occured over 1 hour ago the player will have been dealt with already.
Regards, GM Eldini EVE Online Customer Support
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.09.26 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: GM Eldini Hello.
We are well aware of the current ISK Seller spam situation, and we are working on a permanent fix for this bothersome issue. Rest assured that this is not being ignored.
In the meanwhile, make useage of the "harassment" petition and give us their names, it leads to valuable information we can use to stop them once and for all. Note that if the spam occured over 1 hour ago the player will have been dealt with already.
Regards, GM Eldini EVE Online Customer Support
GM Eldini 4tw \o/
Although I've highlighted soemthing in bold. I've petitioned several isk sellers and found out they were already banned. They get these guys within an hour.
GMs love to play whac-a-mole with the ISK sellers
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Flitz Farseeker
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.26 14:18:00 -
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Excellent news. Only problem for me now is that I will need to find a new career when all the macrominers are gone.
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phillip duncan
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.09.26 18:54:00 -
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Have you thought about setting a limit on the CSPA charge so that players can decide if they what to recieve eve-mails form trail accounts be setting the charge high or low?
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Jastra
Gallente Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:02:00 -
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err, who are these macro miners ruining the game, how are they ruining it, seriously, you being annoyed at them doing it is one thing, claiming they are in some way "ruining the game" quite another, and is laregly nonsense, sorry, I'm not saying I agree (by any means) with Macro mining but arent we all getting a little melodramatic in this forum lately ??
I've bought and sold hundreds of millions of ISK in ore and minerals lately, and not to accounts with strange nonsense names either, the account seems just fine to me, minerals are only useful if someones buying them ;)
If it's annoying you so much to leave, leave empire and move out into lowsec, dont leave the whole game....and please, let's stop it with the nerf this, quit that, CCP are nuts posts, it's all getting very old.
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 26/09/2006 20:07:48 Edited by: Taram Caldar on 26/09/2006 20:07:39 I don't have a problem with macro-miners... I do, however, have a problem with ISK selling spammers.
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Emsee
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:08:00 -
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Solution: Get rid of ISK and introduce some sort of bartering system
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Jastra
Gallente Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:15:00 -
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then click block
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Taurequis
What gets me is why can't CCP shut these sites down?
Can they?
No; reason being, trading ISK for real-life currency is not *illegal*. It's banned by CCP, but CCP don't make law; the only action they can take against people who do it, is to close their accounts and not let them play. This action, they do take, but people are making so much money from ISK sales that it's worth their while to just open another trial account and carry straight on.
In effect, there's nothing CCP can do to stop the spam, unless they bar all trial accounts from every chat channel except newbie help. In fact I'd go so far as to argue that they're wasting GM resources by TRYING to stop it. Banning accounts of people who spam the chat channels with ISK sale offers, is not cutting down on the spam; it's just causing a turnover of names involved. When an aim is noble but completely impossible, you shouldn't waste your time and effort trying to achieve it. ________________________________________________
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:44:00 -
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Anyone can use the 'proper' channels to inform the sites that use the excuse to sell 'gametime' might be evading tax laws. Chances are rather high that they dont pay those taxes or at least make life a bit harder by having them organize the paperwork and tax payments. At least you then can harass the bigger sellers that way. Should be way more effective than killing macrominers. |
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