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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
294
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Posted - 2015.01.20 02:58:12 -
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It is complete. My latest, grandest, and perhaps last tower; my most Sani Sabik of towers; a tower into which I have poured all of my wrath and all of my hatred of the Minmatar people. What is in it?
Over 50,000 filthy Minmatar slaves 1000 Slavers 500 Marines Guns and jammers and stuff, as many as possible online (and outside the shields).
And hundreds and hundreds of.....wine barrels.
Yes, wine. Blood wine. This is a project long in the making, one first inspired by the wine tasting event advertised on these very forums months ago. I could not have any wines ready in time for that event, but in the meantime I enslaved a supply of Sebiestor Science Graduates and whipped them and whipped them until they invented new processes for the making of blood wines, processes ultra-sensitive to the small variations among the Minmatar bloodlines such that (for example) the blood of the Brutor would make strong wine, the blood of the Sebiestor would make delicate wine, and the blood of the Vherokior would make mysterious wine.
Our traditional blood wines will begin with an Altar of God, one specially constructed to channel and collect the blood of the Minmatar slaves sacrificed upon it one by one. Budget wines, on the other hand, will begin with a mass of slaves crushed upon a great winepress (which I have nicknamed the great winepress of God's Wrath after an obscure Scripture). Whether their blood is taken upon the altar or the winepress, all slaves will be blooded alive. For the elite customer, we will offer Single Minmatar Wines, wines made from the blood of just one unique Minmatar, cut and blooded in a most artistic fashion with skilled flourishes, while our blood winemakers tweak the flavor of the resulting wine to capture the essence of the slave's agonized death throes in consecutive aftertastes.
Production in this new Blood Winery has already begun at an undisclosed Devoid location. Amen. Amarr Victor. |
Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
49
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Posted - 2015.01.20 03:30:57 -
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Let us skip right past my personal opinion of your... proclivities and dig right into the ecumenical flaw in this endeavor.
Your destruction of slaves, in particular the Matari, is intended to glorify God in some way. Yet as you delve further into madness I hear mostly glorification of your own achievements and, in this latest effort, of your arguably dubious business acumen.
And of that business acumen: do you consider this operation sustainable? Do you perceive such a great demand for blood wine that you need to produce it in mass quantities? And if the product or its revenue are meant to glorify God, what does it say of your dedication - or that of your customers - that you intend to create larger quantities of the inferior product to offset the price of the superior?
If you intend to become a businessman, you should look to secular venues. There's no profit in faith. |
Death Lady Mania
Circle of the Endless Night
0
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Posted - 2015.01.20 04:06:46 -
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While I don't care about your silly religion, I love good wine! I'd like a single Minmatar of each tribe. How much and when can they be ready? I do hope soon, because odds are someone is going to come shoot your fabulous vineyard.
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Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
49
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Posted - 2015.01.20 05:43:16 -
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I'm reminded of a passage from Scripture. A metaphor about the "Grapes of Wrath."
Quite literal in this case. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1850
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Posted - 2015.01.20 06:21:51 -
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Nauplius wrote:It is complete. My latest, grandest, and perhaps last tower...
Your last tower? Promise?
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
766
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Posted - 2015.01.20 06:32:29 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Nauplius wrote:It is complete. My latest, grandest, and perhaps last tower... Your last tower? Promise?
Pretty sure he said that once before already. Keep your fingers crossed, I suppose.
-Eran |
Blue spy
Black Serpent Technologies Black Legion.
22
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Posted - 2015.01.20 13:05:11 -
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I for one am pleased at this new entrepreneurial development; and I would like to encourage everybody to shop locally and support your local small-town minmatar blood winery. |
Average Space Elf
Hole Violence Whole Squid
71
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Posted - 2015.01.20 13:32:18 -
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It's not often that the perversion of ancient rituals is so readily apparent.
Spaceman, when the great Elfin poets sang of blood mixing with wine, they did not intend their verses to be instructional.
The wine tastings of the Space Elfs were violent, bloody affairs. The wine and blood mixed as a consequence of the festivities, but we didn't drink the bloody stuff (hah!) afterwards. We have standards.
If you're going to appropriate our culture so blatantly, you could at least make your "wine" taste good.
It's garbage. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
295
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Posted - 2015.01.20 14:09:38 -
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Quattras Peione wrote: If you intend to become a businessman, you should look to secular venues. There's no profit in faith.
I do not intend to become a business in the long term. One objective of this project is to create a demand for Minmatar blood-based wine products, a demand that hopefully will be picked up by other entrepreneurs.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
295
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Posted - 2015.01.20 14:12:44 -
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Death Lady Mania wrote:While I don't care about your silly religion, I love good wine! I'd like a single Minmatar of each tribe. How much and when can they be ready? I do hope soon, because odds are someone is going to come shoot your fabulous vineyard.
Product will not be available for some time. Although most of the intensive production process (including the blooding itself) will occur in this tower over the next few weeks, there remains an aging period, the exact timing of which is at the discretion of the slavers/wine artisans. |
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
295
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Posted - 2015.01.20 14:16:10 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Nauplius wrote:It is complete. My latest, grandest, and perhaps last tower... Your last tower? Promise?
It is not easy to train the large numbers of slavers required for a project of this size. Fortunately, the armament of this tower ought to insure that they complete the bloodings without interference from the supporters of Molok the Deceiver.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
137
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Posted - 2015.01.20 14:18:57 -
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Oh that is just precious. |
Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
88
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Posted - 2015.01.20 14:24:10 -
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I forget...How many towers has Nauplius made so far? I feel like this is the 50th thread about a tower... |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
260
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Posted - 2015.01.20 14:25:34 -
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Nauplius wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:Nauplius wrote:It is complete. My latest, grandest, and perhaps last tower... Your last tower? Promise? It is not easy to train the large numbers of slavers required for a project of this size. Fortunately, the armament of this tower ought to insure that they complete the bloodings without interference from the supporters of Molok the Deceiver.
Does this mean its going to actually have guns and strontium this time around?
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
295
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:28:21 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Nauplius wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:Nauplius wrote:It is complete. My latest, grandest, and perhaps last tower... Your last tower? Promise? It is not easy to train the large numbers of slavers required for a project of this size. Fortunately, the armament of this tower ought to insure that they complete the bloodings without interference from the supporters of Molok the Deceiver. Does this mean its going to actually have guns and strontium this time around?
Let's see. First time I read about his tower it had no Strontium. Second time I read about his tower it has Strontium but no defenses. Third time, and that was the one where a certain someone raised a fuss about the morality of a certain someone else who kicked the tower initially, he had a poorly arranged pair of White Noise Generators.
So I bet this time he has guns.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Jennifer Starfall
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
21
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:32:54 -
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Thank you, Nauplius. You have helped me a great deal. When I lie awake in the dark, and the ghosts from my past crimes haunt me, I only need to think of you to be reminded that there are greater monsters than I in this universe.
I regret that I was unable to participate in the destruction of his previous monstrosity due to circumstances beyond my control.
If there is any way that I can assist in the destruction of this latest monstrosity, please let me know. I will do what I can. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
295
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:39:15 -
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If anyone knows where that tower is and needs help, I can volunteer a battleship, or a tier 3 battlecruiser, for the tower-kicking. I need timing and a rendezvous point and I will see if I am able to show up and assist.
I am also willing to leave my current commission to help out.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1555
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Posted - 2015.01.20 16:51:53 -
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Nauplius wrote: Over 50,000 filthy Minmatar slaves
I could advise you installing Navy showers. In about two minutes they can clean anyone, even a tribal, with minimal waste of energy and industrial water. Keeping personnel filthy is not hygienic.
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ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
566
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:07:44 -
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You can't make food products out of people, of course you know that...:I am starting to think you are doing these activities merely to fail at them, perhaps your mother took up with a Minmatar slave and you just think if you can hate minmatar enough you won't have to admit where you came from. In any case this offends my Brutor sensibilities in addition to my sensibilities as a sane human being. |
Kalo Askold
Cult of the Lash
0
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:30:03 -
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*just links a vid of her laughing and laughing before gagging herself with a knuckle as the feed cuts out* |
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Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
455
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:19:20 -
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Already reinforced huh? I wonder who beat me to it.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
88
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:26:17 -
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Well **** that was fast... |
Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
50
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:30:23 -
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Transmissible spongiform encephalopathy - commonly known as prion disease - is a serious medical condition, Nauplius. When was the last time you got a cortical scan? I'd be willing to bet you're starting to suffer from some rather serious neuropathy at this point. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1287
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:21:13 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Already reinforced huh? I wonder who beat me to it.
Can the person or organisation responsible to put his tower in reinforced contact me please? Would enjoy finding out more about this!
Disaster strikes Black Rise colony!
Circadian Seekers retaliate!
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
659
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:27:47 -
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So you wanted to remove "Minmatarness" so you can drink it?
Somehow, I'm not surprised.
Vote Sabriz!
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Angel T Hunter
5
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:22:07 -
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You are one sick puppy Nauplius.. |
Angel T Hunter
5
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:25:41 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Nauplius wrote: Over 50,000 filthy Minmatar slaves
I could advise you installing Navy showers. In about two minutes they can clean anyone, even a tribal, with minimal waste of energy and industrial water.
You do know you aint helping right? |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
260
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:33:40 -
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Heh, Kim isn't exactly the Matari's best friend... |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4435
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:38:59 -
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Angel T Hunter wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Nauplius wrote: Over 50,000 filthy Minmatar slaves
I could advise you installing Navy showers. In about two minutes they can clean anyone, even a tribal, with minimal waste of energy and industrial water. You do know you aint helping right?
That is, actually, the most flattering interpretation of 'Filthy Minmatar' that is possible - Minmatar that are dirty and require a shower.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Angel T Hunter
5
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:55:17 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Heh, Kim isn't exactly the Matari's best friend...
Well... I kinda got the feeling she didnt have any higher feelings for the empire either when I met her.. |
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
260
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Posted - 2015.01.21 00:00:26 -
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Angel T Hunter wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Heh, Kim isn't exactly the Matari's best friend... Well... I kinda got the feeling she didnt have any higher feelings for the empire either when I met her..
She seems to like them somewhat more than Matari (stupid tribals as she calls us ), just don't get her started on the Federation....... She'll never stop once she starts. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
297
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Posted - 2015.01.21 00:17:32 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:You can't make food products out of people, of course you know that
Um, you can't?
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Angel T Hunter
5
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:09:03 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:[quote=Angel T Hunter][quote=Deitra Vess] just don't get her started on the Federation....... She'll never stop once she starts.
True.. |
Trii Seo
705
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:10:14 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:You can't make food products out of people.
Let's... not venture into this territory. Now grab a Quafe and enjoy your life!
Aaaanyway I get dropping down money on something utterly silly that won't survive a week - be that in your hangar or dangling somewhere in space. But actually spending time on anchoring all that? Those hours and braincells will not come back, you know.
Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
295
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:45:53 -
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I guess the Tower-Whackers don't need a freelance battleship. I am going to go sulk in a corner.
Also, blood tastes like iron shavings. Why would anyone willingly want to drink that crap? It's worse than Quafe! At lease Quafe can still be used to clean up combustion residues in the barrels of autocannons. All blood does is clot over everything!
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1159
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Posted - 2015.01.22 03:31:59 -
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Connoisseurs of this product will have to look elsewhere. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
703
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Posted - 2015.01.22 03:36:32 -
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Amarr Victor. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
935
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Posted - 2015.01.22 03:40:14 -
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I sincerely hope he's not been able to evacuate the sick product to age them somewhere else.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
261
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Posted - 2015.01.22 04:01:29 -
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Did he even have time to start production? It really wasn't that long of a time span between when of was announced to when of was reinforced, also what did it have for defenses? |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
297
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Posted - 2015.01.22 04:32:09 -
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Desiderya wrote:I sincerely hope he's not been able to evacuate the sick product to age them somewhere else.
I am interested to know how does one age something whose main ingredient is blood. All he is going to get are clots and iron solution with cytoplasmic debris after a hundred years.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
935
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Posted - 2015.01.22 04:43:22 -
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It's been destroyed. I guess we'll never find out, which is not really a loss.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
297
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Posted - 2015.01.22 06:07:36 -
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Desiderya wrote:It's been destroyed. I guess we'll never find out, which is not really a loss.
I think I should persuade the MedTech to let me use one of their blood transfusion devices on either this active clone or my inactive clones for a sufficient volume sample to see if I can actually ferment the damn thing, and then track the test sample's flavour and everything for the next decade.
I predict it's going to taste awful, and I'm going to see if my belief is vindicated.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Bai'xao Meiyi
103
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Posted - 2015.01.22 06:10:25 -
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Next time he puts one of these disgusting things up, someone drop me a fleet invite to go break it. |
Darc Kaahar
The Gaping Maw The Periphery
88
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Posted - 2015.01.22 08:36:04 -
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Desiderya wrote:It's been destroyed. I guess we'll never find out, which is not really a loss.
I got mine.
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Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
453
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Posted - 2015.01.22 09:15:03 -
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Good work. Glad to see a common cause to aim at, even if its execution, resolution and even preamble usually involve a bit of fire across the lines. At the very least, we have identified the moral nadir to which the majority of us will not sink.
Combat Pilot for the Pyre Falcon Defense Combine
Intaki Reborn
Independent Capsuleer
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Jurou Yuan
Hakkaisuo Corporation
143
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Posted - 2015.01.22 10:45:36 -
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Well, apparently I have a seat reserved in the lowest circle of hell. Funny, I could have sworn I owed real estate there already. |
Average Space Elf
Hole Violence Whole Squid
73
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Posted - 2015.01.22 11:44:10 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: I predict it's going to taste awful, and I'm going to see if my belief is vindicated.
Don't bother. It does. Every couple of years the idea pops up again, and it is never, ever worth the hassle.
This time around it was an Amarr spaceman doing his murder fetish thing. Last time it might have been "edgy" Gallente performance art. Before that, a Minamatar going on and on about about harvesting blood with an axe. Different gimmicks, same results. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
937
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Posted - 2015.01.22 14:13:54 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: I think I should persuade the MedTech to let me use one of their blood transfusion devices on either this active clone or my inactive clones for a sufficient volume sample to see if I can actually ferment the damn thing, and then track the test sample's flavour and everything for the next decade.
I predict it's going to taste awful, and I'm going to see if my belief is vindicated.
I predict that you'll have more success trying to make blood pudding.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
60
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Posted - 2015.01.22 15:39:41 -
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Those religious type of guys.. What a waste of time..
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4441
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Posted - 2015.01.22 16:22:37 -
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Desiderya wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: I think I should persuade the MedTech to let me use one of their blood transfusion devices on either this active clone or my inactive clones for a sufficient volume sample to see if I can actually ferment the damn thing, and then track the test sample's flavour and everything for the next decade.
I predict it's going to taste awful, and I'm going to see if my belief is vindicated.
I predict that you'll have more success trying to make blood pudding.
Don't give Nauplius ideas. The last thing anyone wants is to be taking down the 'Blood Pudding' tower next week.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1560
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Posted - 2015.01.22 18:22:59 -
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Unprofessional waste of resources. So disgusting! |
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
313
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Posted - 2015.01.22 18:37:14 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Unprofessional waste of resources. So disgusting!
Rescuing thousands of slaves from being senselessly killed is not a waste of resources.
Killing blood raider property is also not a waste of resources. Every blood raider killed is a small bit of revenge in memory of the Emperor Doriam!
There is nothing more disgusting than a Blood Raider.
Lord Admiral of PIE inc. | -áRecruitment Information | Public Forum | Neocom channel: "PIE Public" | Amarr Victor!
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
414
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Posted - 2015.01.22 18:43:45 -
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Lord Admiral, may I suggest? According to the principle of charity, which requires us try our best to get a coherent and interesting line of argument out of a statement, we have to assume she was referring to the work of the heretic, rather than to removing it. To any reasonable person it should make total sense to refer to the building and operation of this 'blood winery' as an unprofessional, disgusting waste of resources, no? |
Claudia Osyn
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
1065
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Posted - 2015.01.22 18:52:15 -
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Naups, you really need to stop with the towers.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
314
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Posted - 2015.01.22 18:53:43 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Lord Admiral, may I suggest? According to the principle of charity, which requires us try our best to get a coherent and interesting line of argument out of a statement, we have to assume she was referring to the work of the heretic, rather than to removing it. To any reasonable person it should make total sense to refer to the building and operation of this 'blood winery' as an unprofessional, disgusting waste of resources, no?
Have you read her posts in the other threads, Nicoletta?
Lord Admiral of PIE inc. | -áRecruitment Information | Public Forum | Neocom channel: "PIE Public" | Amarr Victor!
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1560
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Posted - 2015.01.22 18:58:05 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Unprofessional waste of resources. So disgusting! Rescuing thousands of slaves from being senselessly killed is not a waste of resources. Killing blood raider property is also not a waste of resources. Every blood raider killed is a small bit of revenge in memory of the Emperor Doriam! There is nothing more disgusting than a Blood Raider. Even Republic? How about Freedom Fighters?
For me blood raiders are just petty pirates, while Republic and "freedom fighters" are way more significant threats. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1162
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Posted - 2015.01.22 19:00:51 -
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When someone mass murders hundreds of thousands of people, they stop being just "petty pirates." |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1560
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Posted - 2015.01.22 19:06:56 -
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Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Lord Admiral, may I suggest? According to the principle of charity, which requires us try our best to get a coherent and interesting line of argument out of a statement, we have to assume she was referring to the work of the heretic, rather than to removing it. To any reasonable person it should make total sense to refer to the building and operation of this 'blood winery' as an unprofessional, disgusting waste of resources, no? Actually I was referring to both events, both erecting useless tower by heretic, and destruction of it as well.
That building such tower was a waste, I guess everyone (except Mr. Nauplius) understands. But destroying it was a waste as well, by two reasons: 1) This tower could be used to lure enemies and; 2) There are many other towers to destroy with way greater military importance. |
Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
204
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Posted - 2015.01.22 19:15:32 -
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Diana Kim wrote:For me blood raiders are just petty pirates...
You would feel quite differently if you were of Faith.
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Claudia Osyn
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
1065
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Posted - 2015.01.22 19:15:54 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Lord Admiral, may I suggest? According to the principle of charity, which requires us try our best to get a coherent and interesting line of argument out of a statement, we have to assume she was referring to the work of the heretic, rather than to removing it. To any reasonable person it should make total sense to refer to the building and operation of this 'blood winery' as an unprofessional, disgusting waste of resources, no? Actually I was referring to both events, both erecting useless tower by heretic, and destruction of it as well. That building such tower was a waste, I guess everyone (except Mr. Nauplius) understands. But destroying it was a waste as well, by two reasons: 1) This tower could be used to lure enemies and; 2) There are many other towers to destroy with way greater military importance. Funny story, you're the only one who cares about eather point.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1561
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Posted - 2015.01.22 19:34:40 -
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Mitara Newelle wrote:Diana Kim wrote:For me blood raiders are just petty pirates... You would feel quite differently if you were of Faith, which those who initially attacked the structure were, and many of those involved in it's final destruction were. Excuse me, ma'am, but I am just a "filthy heathen", and for all I do I will be probably boiled in hell, or whatever they do with all the terrible people. But yet I do what must be done and treat enemies according to their actual threat for maximal efficiency, because someone has to do it.
Better me, than, say, your children, right? |
Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
205
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:25:29 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Mitara Newelle wrote:Diana Kim wrote:For me blood raiders are just petty pirates... You would feel quite differently if you were of Faith, which those who initially attacked the structure were, and many of those involved in it's final destruction were. Excuse me, ma'am, but I am just a "filthy heathen", and for all I do I will be probably boiled in hell, or whatever they do with all the terrible people. But yet I do what must be done and treat enemies according to their actual threat for maximal efficiency, because someone has to do it. Better me, than, say, your children, right?
My point, Ms Kim, is that the priority of a threat of this nature is going to be different among the Faithful than those such as yourself. There was no implication of right or wrong. Some of your fellow countrymen assisted in this endeavor and I would not be surprised, or at all offended, if they felt as you and did not place this as high a priority as I.
We both serve our respective people, Ms Kim... and I am not sure what my children would be doing in Hasmijaala, let alone piloting vessels of war... |
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
317
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:31:17 -
[63] - Quote
Yes, Kim. Blood Raiders are worse than Republic supporters or Freedom Fighters. Much worse.
Lord Admiral of PIE inc. | -áRecruitment Information | Public Forum | Neocom channel: "PIE Public" | Amarr Victor!
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
298
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Posted - 2015.01.22 23:56:00 -
[64] - Quote
Not only have those who destroyed this tower damned themselves to the lowest Hell, but they have also drenched their own hands in the blood of slaves.
During previous actions against my towers, PIE had brought along a Kamiera boarding party, supposedly to reduce casualties among the slaves that would otherwise occur had the tower's hangers simply been destroyed and whatever slaves that survived picked up among the wreckage. This time, however, it appeared to my scout that the fleet simply destroyed the hanger as soon as the shields fell. This action, I believe, would have killed about half of the slaves instantly; that is, the aggressing fleet just flat out killed about 25,000 slaves.
Pilots from PIE and SFRIM did eventually bring in transports to recover survivors from the now-destroyed hanger; however, I took advantage of a moment when some of the fleet was off-grid to destroy the wreckage before they could complete the work. Almost immediately after that, someone hotdropped the fleet and destroyed several ships GÇö surely this was a sign of Divine Judgement against those who would attack me and a holy and righteous God. So, too, was the intermittant fighting between I-RED and PY-RE GÇö truly God has sown seeds of discord among his enemies. Amen. Amarr Victor.
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Angel T Hunter
Brutor Tribe
6
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:03:44 -
[65] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:Not only have those who destroyed this tower damned themselves to the lowest Hell, but they have also drenched their own hands in the blood of slaves.
During previous actions against my towers, PIE had brought along a Kamiera boarding party, supposedly to reduce casualties among the slaves that would otherwise occur had the tower's hangers simply been destroyed and whatever slaves that survived picked up among the wreckage. This time, however, it appeared to my scout that the fleet simply destroyed the hanger as soon as the shields fell. This action, I believe, would have killed about half of the slaves instantly; that is, the aggressing fleet just flat out killed about 25,000 slaves.
Pilots from PIE and SFRIM did eventually bring in transports to recover survivors from the now-destroyed hanger; however, I took advantage of a moment when some of the fleet was off-grid to destroy the wreckage before they could complete the work. Almost immediately after that, someone hotdropped the fleet and destroyed several ships GÇö surely this was a sign of Divine Judgement against those who would attack me and a holy and righteous God. So, too, was the intermittant fighting between I-RED and PY-RE GÇö truly God has sown seeds of discord among his enemies. Amen. Amarr Victor.
NO! The blood is on your hands! |
Benedicta Secheh
Little Sisters of the Most Holy Sword
17
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:27:12 -
[66] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:
occur had the tower's hangers simply been destroyed and whatever slaves that survived picked up among the wreckage. This time, however, it appeared to my scout that the fleet simply destroyed the hanger as soon as the shields fell. This action, I believe, would have killed about half of the slaves instantly; that is, [u]the aggressing fleet just flat out killed about 25,000 slaves
A study of the admittedly sketchy post action reports and what I've heard suggests that only Pyre shot the hangar. Perhaps the Sansha infiltrators in Pyre were mad that Pyre's rules wouldn't let them take the slaves for their own nefarious purposes? Yet another reason why the 24th Imperial Crusade should no longer tolerate heathens, or worse, in their ranks.
As it is, from reports I've heard, it appears that the delays caused by the needless infighting caused by Pyre resulted in a Death by Design hot drop that forced the fleet off grid before the evacuation could be complete, allowing you to inhumanely murder the rest for obscene reasons known only to you.
You as the prime cause, are the ultimate party responsible for the suffering of the slaves. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
937
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:49:11 -
[67] - Quote
Fact checking: Clicky.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Benedicta Secheh
Little Sisters of the Most Holy Sword
17
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:56:40 -
[68] - Quote
Desiderya wrote:Fact checking
Thank you for confirming and admitting. The only pilots to record damage were: Desiderya, Kalaratiri, Zanzibar Heroshima, Souchek Lehman, Jurou Yuan,Jikkarr, and Pieter Tuulinen. Six were members of Pyre. The other is also notorious.
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Shiva Makoto
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
69
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:57:53 -
[69] - Quote
Benedicta Secheh wrote:
A study of the admittedly sketchy post action reports and what I've heard suggests that only Pyre shot the hangar. Perhaps the Sansha infiltrators in Pyre were mad that Pyre's rules wouldn't let them take the slaves for their own nefarious purposes? Yet another reason why the 24th Imperial Crusade should no longer tolerate heathens, or worse, in their ranks.
As it is, from reports I've heard, it appears that the delays caused by the needless infighting caused by Pyre resulted in a Death by Design hot drop that forced the fleet off grid before the evacuation could be complete, allowing you to inhumanely murder the rest for obscene reasons known only to you.
You as the prime cause, are the ultimate party responsible for the suffering of the slaves.
Your "study" is like your posts, ****.
Your post is quite amusing but instead of appealing to the 24th IC you could stop being an impotent coward and take matters in your own hands. We both know you can't and wont. Please spare us with your useless opinion unless you have something to show for. |
Benedicta Secheh
Little Sisters of the Most Holy Sword
17
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:59:56 -
[70] - Quote
Shiva Makoto wrote:Benedicta Secheh wrote:
A study of the admittedly sketchy post action reports and what I've heard suggests that only Pyre shot the hangar. Perhaps the Sansha infiltrators in Pyre were mad that Pyre's rules wouldn't let them take the slaves for their own nefarious purposes? Yet another reason why the 24th Imperial Crusade should no longer tolerate heathens, or worse, in their ranks.
As it is, from reports I've heard, it appears that the delays caused by the needless infighting caused by Pyre resulted in a Death by Design hot drop that forced the fleet off grid before the evacuation could be complete, allowing you to inhumanely murder the rest for obscene reasons known only to you.
You as the prime cause, are the ultimate party responsible for the suffering of the slaves.
Your "study" is like your posts, ****. Your post is quite amusing but instead of appealing to the 24th IC you could stop being an impotent coward and take matters in your own hands. We both know you can't and wont. Please spare us with your useless opinion unless you have something to show for.
An Ad Hominem Attack? Sad. You can do better. You at least, I have always respected in the field due to your fine efforts with In Exile. |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4443
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:11:33 -
[71] - Quote
Benedicta Secheh wrote:Desiderya wrote:Fact checking
Thank you for confirming and admitting. The only pilots to record damage were: Desiderya, Kalaratiri, Zanzibar Heroshima, Souchek Lehman, Jurou Yuan,Jikkarr, and Pieter Tuulinen. Six were members of Pyre. The other is also a notorious former TSF Member. You will, honourable Lady, take note of the gallant pilots from PIE and IRED who fired on the Hangar. I hope that the fact that they were too slow to inflict damage isn't considered a plus point? Your prejudices are showing.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Benedicta Secheh
Little Sisters of the Most Holy Sword
17
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:14:58 -
[72] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Benedicta Secheh wrote:Desiderya wrote:Fact checking
Thank you for confirming and admitting. The only pilots to record damage were: Desiderya, Kalaratiri, Zanzibar Heroshima, Souchek Lehman, Jurou Yuan,Jikkarr, and Pieter Tuulinen. Six were members of Pyre. The other is also a notorious former TSF Member. You will, honourable Lady, take note of the gallant pilots from PIE and IRED who fired on the Hangar. I hope that the fact that they were too slow to inflict damage isn't considered a plus point? Your prejudices are showing.
Mr. Tuulinen, while I thank you for your courtesy in your response, the reason such records are often unreliable is it records on the modules all those who fired on the tower itself regardless of later actions. The only fact that is crystal clear is Pyre did fire on it before PIE could try to board. I respectfully must inquire: Why?
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1165
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:17:50 -
[73] - Quote
You're demonstrating your lack of understanding of the generation of tower structure killmails, Pieter.
Every individual who fires on a tower and remains in system is added to the killmail of every structure that is subsequently destroyed. I was in warp to retrieve my Prorator when the hangar was destroyed, I never once locked nor fired on it.
Stop trying to pawn off your own deliberate effort. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4443
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:21:12 -
[74] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:You're demonstrating your lack of understanding of the generation of tower structure killmails, Pieter.
Every individual who fires on a tower and remains in system is added to the killmail of every structure that is subsequently destroyed. I was in warp when the hangar was destroyed, I never once locked nor fired on it.
Stop trying to pawn off your own deliberate effort. I fire and lock as directed by my Officers. As I'm sure you do. This is also my first tower kill.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6698
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:29:18 -
[75] - Quote
Tuulinen, let's be frank. You say your corporation would never desire hostilities, yet you've never once so much as expressed mild regret over the Sansha-ication of PYRE. I-RED does not treat with pirate organizations. PYRE is, at this point, a pirate organization.
Maker, you even threatened to fire on your personal friend, Lt. Kernher, during this operation.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1165
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:35:10 -
[76] - Quote
His wife threatened it. Unless there was other talk I was not privy to. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6698
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:49:15 -
[77] - Quote
Pardon; meant it in the greater, 'you all,' sense.
Still, I think we know perfectly well that Desiderya is bloodthirsty.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
300
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Posted - 2015.01.23 03:05:18 -
[78] - Quote
Imagine the utter horror it must have been for those slaves at that moment. Knowing they were under attack. Knowing they could do nothing about it. Knowing they were going to die; a cold death under strange stars; a death without purpose; a death without meaning.
25,000 slaves. You killed them. You are slave killers. That is what you are. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
297
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Posted - 2015.01.23 03:12:11 -
[79] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:Imagine the utter horror it must have been for those slaves at that moment. Knowing they were under attack. Knowing they could do nothing about it. Knowing they were going to die; a cold death under strange stars; a death without purpose; a death without meaning.
25,000 slaves. You killed them. You are slave killers. That is what you are.
As if they weren't already experiencing utter horror when they were in your possession. Their death in your hands already has no meaning, no purpose. They are already unable to do anything about being in your confinement hangars.
You killed them long before the shots were fired, you slave killer. The slaves who were evacuated successfully gained 'resurrection'. The others were dead to begin with.
You are the true responsible party.
Cognitive dissonance much?
Look in the mirror before you start accusing others of killing slaves you were already intending to kill. Unless you had discarded and spaced every mirror in your vicinity to start with.
It is also pretty damned clear that you are more sore about losing the tower which you can't adequately protect than the lives of the slaves. I am going to keep calling you out on that.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4443
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Posted - 2015.01.23 05:40:57 -
[80] - Quote
Makoto Priano wrote:Tuulinen, let's be frank. You say your corporation would never desire hostilities, yet you've never once so much as expressed mild regret over the Sansha-ication of PYRE. I-RED does not treat with pirate organizations. PYRE is, at this point, a pirate organization.
Maker, you even threatened to fire on your personal friend, Lt. Kernher, during this operation.
Seriously? I can only assume you don't know me as well as I thought you did.
I can't say I support the political affiliations of those Nation Loyalists in our ranks. I'll go further - I despise Kuvakei and I think his vision is sick and wrong. I also think it's important to remember that they are just that, Loyalist Capsuleers, not True Citizens and not True Slaves AND that they are forbidden from networking prisoners while serving Pyre Falcon - all things that I know I-RED knows, because I told them to Korsavius myself.
In addition, the hell with what YOU claim we are, the facts remain that Pyre Falcon is registered with Kaalakiota Corporation, I am a registered Citizen of Kaalakiota with a registered domicile in the Nonni system that I share with my registered spouse, who is a citizen of Wiyrkomi Corporation.
During the operation yesterday we acted wholly within the limits of our sanction as part of the 24th Imperial Crusade. We did NOT target 24th Imperial Crusade members who weren't made legal targets by their own actions and we engaged YOU only because your VERY OWN stubborn diplomacy demanded it.
And I know I didn't threaten to engage Samira Kernher - because I didn't speak a single word during the entirety of the engagement due to our policy of Comms silence in Local. Moreover whilst I never targeted her, as I would need to do so to threaten her in deed, she did, however, target me. This was no doubt at the orders of her officers and I commend her for her attentiveness to her duty.
A shame they felt the need to order her to protect your forces - although I quite understand your need for the protection.
All in all, were I you, I'd be ashamed to utter the name of the Maker in the context of the rest of your statement.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4443
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Posted - 2015.01.23 05:50:33 -
[81] - Quote
Makoto Priano wrote:Pardon; meant it in the greater, 'you all,' sense.
Still, I think we know perfectly well that Desiderya is bloodthirsty.
You certainly knew she was bloodthirsty enough not to run away when you warped to us, so I have to lay the blame for your loss during the engagement firmly on your own Command Staff.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
363
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Posted - 2015.01.23 06:58:42 -
[82] - Quote
Yes.. yes we know, you despise your fellow Kirjuun. As for the hostilities between our two organizations it is well placed, the State does not tolerate pirates of any flavor.
The fact is the tower was destroyed thanks to the quick response of our allies in PIE, and in turn Ishukone-Raata was pleased to be of assistance in both operations against these pirate forces.
Now shall we stop with the battle of morality when really we know there is very.. very little on the opposing front.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4443
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Posted - 2015.01.23 07:09:28 -
[83] - Quote
Nobody asked you to justify your diplomacy again, Revenent, I simply ask you to own it publicly. Since you declared hostilities it'd be nice if your mouthpiece stopped pretending to be surprised when you get shot at.
I must admit, though, to being surprised you've taken this tack. I doubted you really wanted to get into a situation where we're all judged by the people we've flown with, eh, monsieur?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
453
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Posted - 2015.01.23 11:45:18 -
[84] - Quote
Well well isn't this a big bag of tiresome. Dirty laundry says more about the person airing it than the person who wore it. Bear that in mind.
Good work PY-RE, PIE and I-RED on ridding the cluster of this abhorrent tower. Good work in dispensing a harsh but merciful end to the poor souls condemned simply by being in the possession of a madman, from which none of us could have taken them without breaching the structure. No one wishes death on innocents, but considering their fate, one may consider them euthanised - a tragic end, but one far more conducive to them resting in peace than the alternative.
Combat Pilot for the Pyre Falcon Defense Combine
Intaki Reborn
Independent Capsuleer
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1166
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:31:49 -
[85] - Quote
Aelisha wrote:Good work PY-RE, PIE and I-RED on ridding the cluster of this abhorrent tower. Good work in dispensing a harsh but merciful end to the poor souls condemned simply by being in the possession of a madman, from which none of us could have taken them without breaching the structure. No one wishes death on innocents, but considering their fate, one may consider them euthanised - a tragic end, but one far more conducive to them resting in peace than the alternative.
Do not associate us with your disgusting 'euthanization' moralizations. That is never a valid action to take, especially not when we hold the field. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1561
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:43:03 -
[86] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Pardon; meant it in the greater, 'you all,' sense.
Still, I think we know perfectly well that Desiderya is bloodthirsty. You certainly knew she was bloodthirsty enough not to run away when you warped to us, so I have to lay the blame for your loss during the engagement firmly on your own Command Staff. Tuulinen-haan, you should be aware that Makoto Priano is a known liar and has lost her honor. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1166
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:43:38 -
[87] - Quote
Kim.
Stay out of matters that don't concern you. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1561
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:53:23 -
[88] - Quote
Angel T Hunter wrote:Nauplius wrote:Not only have those who destroyed this tower damned themselves to the lowest Hell, but they have also drenched their own hands in the blood of slaves.
During previous actions against my towers, PIE had brought along a Kamiera boarding party, supposedly to reduce casualties among the slaves that would otherwise occur had the tower's hangers simply been destroyed and whatever slaves that survived picked up among the wreckage. This time, however, it appeared to my scout that the fleet simply destroyed the hanger as soon as the shields fell. This action, I believe, would have killed about half of the slaves instantly; that is, the aggressing fleet just flat out killed about 25,000 slaves.
Pilots from PIE and SFRIM did eventually bring in transports to recover survivors from the now-destroyed hanger; however, I took advantage of a moment when some of the fleet was off-grid to destroy the wreckage before they could complete the work. Almost immediately after that, someone hotdropped the fleet and destroyed several ships GÇö surely this was a sign of Divine Judgement against those who would attack me and a holy and righteous God. So, too, was the intermittant fighting between I-RED and PY-RE GÇö truly God has sown seeds of discord among his enemies. Amen. Amarr Victor.
NO! The blood is on your hands! Ms. Hunter, this is a huge mistake and misconception. The blood is on hands of those, who does the killing.
For example, lets imagine gallenteans has captured Caldari prisoners and transferring them to execution in a hauler (well, they should be lucky, it is better to be executed than endure what they do with POWs in their prison camps anyway). If I will attack this federal convoy and destroy this hauler, deaths of Caldari prisoners would be on MY hands, because I delivered them death before gallenteans executed them.
But this killing of them wouldn't bother me for two reasons: 1) I would simply do my job for exterminating gallentean occupants. I wouldn't be targeting and killing prisoners for purpose, and they would be rather collateral damage. 2) Since they were captured, it implies they have surrendered to gallenteans and weren't honorable enough to commit suicide to prevent their capture alive.
Still my point that their blood will be on my hands, not on gallentean. Just like deaths of those, who were turned into wine - on Mr. Nauplius hands, and deaths of those, who were killed during destruction of tower - on hands of those, who were shooting at the tower.
I will repeat my previous point, I don't support this waste of resources by both building and destroying the tower. Including senseless loss of life caused both by Mr. Nauplius and destroyers of the tower. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1563
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:57:19 -
[89] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:Kim.
Stay out of matters that don't concern you. I am not going to stop you from killing Mr. Nauplius slaves, Lieutenant. Obviously, I am not going to help you either. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1166
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:59:26 -
[90] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Kim.
Stay out of matters that don't concern you. I am not going to stop you from killing Mr. Nauplius slaves, Lieutenant. Obviously, I am not going to help you either.
How ******* dare you make that accusation. |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1568
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:16:37 -
[91] - Quote
I am sorry, Lieutenant, I am not going to bring any accusations against you, I am not even sure it is illegal according to Imperial laws.
I am not interested in going that way. |
Vash Typhoon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:27:26 -
[92] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:Imagine the utter horror it must have been for those slaves at that moment. Knowing they were under attack. Knowing they could do nothing about it. Knowing they were going to die; a cold death under strange stars; a death without purpose; a death without meaning.
25,000 slaves. You killed them. You are slave killers. That is what you are.
Those deaths are in your count, you better hope the guys that attacked that tower don't go to hell because they will be happy to kick your sorry ass for the rest of the eternity. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1569
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:36:14 -
[93] - Quote
Vash Typhoon wrote:Nauplius wrote:Imagine the utter horror it must have been for those slaves at that moment. Knowing they were under attack. Knowing they could do nothing about it. Knowing they were going to die; a cold death under strange stars; a death without purpose; a death without meaning.
25,000 slaves. You killed them. You are slave killers. That is what you are. Those deaths are in your count, you better hope the guys that attacked that tower don't go to hell because they will be happy to kick your sorry ass for the rest of the eternity. I have answered just a couple of comments higher why these deaths aren't in his count. It is rather astonishing how gallentean propaganda turns brains into sponge and removes ability to reason and comprehend.
Pity. In any way, I am not going to repeat what I have just said before. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
140
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:40:08 -
[94] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Kim.
Stay out of matters that don't concern you. I am not going to stop you from killing Mr. Nauplius slaves, Lieutenant. Obviously, I am not going to help you either. How ******* dare you make that accusation.
Welcome to the club.
Not that I actually expect you to consider that there's more to a story than what is publicly known, but perhaps the weight of lives will be a reminder of this in the future. Sometimes, one must do what must be done. In this case... well, it is not I who will be doing the judging. |
Tabor Murn
Kaitaua Whamere
61
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:40:29 -
[95] - Quote
If Amarr and Caldari are at at each other throats every time one of these towers is destroyed, I can't wait to see what happens should your fleets fail to destroy one. |
Vash Typhoon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:43:30 -
[96] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Vash Typhoon wrote:Nauplius wrote:Imagine the utter horror it must have been for those slaves at that moment. Knowing they were under attack. Knowing they could do nothing about it. Knowing they were going to die; a cold death under strange stars; a death without purpose; a death without meaning.
25,000 slaves. You killed them. You are slave killers. That is what you are. Those deaths are in your count, you better hope the guys that attacked that tower don't go to hell because they will be happy to kick your sorry ass for the rest of the eternity. I have answered just a couple of comments higher why these deaths aren't in his count. It is rather astonishing how gallentean propaganda turns brains into sponge and removes ability to reason and comprehend. Pity. In any way, I am not going to repeat what I have just said before.
I would love to see that fancy talking being the case that you were one of those slaves, easy to speak when you are not the one in such position. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1569
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Posted - 2015.01.23 13:50:35 -
[97] - Quote
Vash Typhoon wrote: I would love to see that fancy talking being the case that you were one of those slaves, easy to speak when you are not the one in such position.
Caldari prefer to die with honor instead of living in dishonor. Thats why we, unlike you Gallenteans, never developed slavery, and unlike Minmatars were never enslaved.
Slaves and prisoners of war are weaklings, I would never be like them, because I would kill myself. |
Vash Typhoon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:11:21 -
[98] - Quote
How fast and happily way to judge other people.
Like I said before fancy talking from someone that has never been in such situation, how diferent your opinion would be if Caldari were not part of the Federation when Amarrians showed up. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1179
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:15:36 -
[99] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:I am sorry, Lieutenant, I am not going to bring any accusations against you, I am not even sure it is illegal according to Imperial laws.
I am not interested in going that way.
Don't ******* play stupid with me. I know it's hard for you, with your little tiny brain, but you know damn well that I was not talking about legal accusations.
You, Kim, who spends your every day slaughtering hundreds of people, who has outright said that you consider civilian lives meaningless, who would sooner sacrifice your entire State and Caldari people in your irrational hatred for the Gallente, who by the way each and every one of them, even their worst criminals, is a better person than you. God, even Tibus Heth would be disgusted by you. You're a disgrace. You are a disgrace to the Caldari, to the State, to the Provists, and to humanity.
YOU, of ALL people, would dare to accuse me of killing the very people I have spent the entire last year working to protect from the Butcher's mass murder. You, who has never tried nor cared to protect anything in your LIFE, you disgusting little creature.
I was the first person to act against the Butcher's evil. My previous self became another one of his sacrifices in the process. I have been at every single tower, with a transport loaded with marines, doctors, and medical supplies, to board and secure as many survivors as possible from each and every one of his structures. I spent hours searching for and breaching his 24 depots spread throughout every system in Devoid space to rescue the people he had left to starve to death inside. I have had to set up emergency medical and psychiatric wards in Mehatoor station to treat the thousands of people we've rescued from him, people that had we been even a few days slower would be dead today. Thousands of people, Kim, are alive, who would be dead if we had not acted.
I go to the Niarja-Kaaputen border crossing and rescue people left over from deathcans. I have offered to pay hundreds of millions of isk to recover people held by Sansha loyalists and Matari terrorists like Havohej. I have used my own money to purchase slaves off of the SCC so that evil men like the Butcher could not get hold of them. I have also taken the time and money to deliver supplies to Caldari Prime after the battle over the planet, and I have provided emergency transportation to colonies in distress such as the Caldari settlement on Tsuruma.
What have you done, that you would dare to judge me? That you would dare to say that I am killing these people?
Unlike you, some of us believe in protecting instead of destroying. Some of us, unlike you, put the lives of others before our own selfish desires. And don't give me this bullshit about how you're "sacrificing yourself" for the Caldari people. You don't even know the meaning of the word. You've already said you don't care about the Caldari people, you'd sacrifice them in a heartbeat for your pointless little war. Because all you care about, the only thing that matters to you, is your personal vengeance against the Gallente. Which is funny. Vengeance for what? What exactly have the Gallente done to you or your people? Stolen your planet? Boo ******* hoo. It's not even your planet, because you're not even Caldari. You're Achura. You're barely tolerated or welcomed by any real Caldari.
And don't talk about duty, either. The State Protectorate, or any militia, is a MILITIA, a militia of monstrous, disloyal, greedy capsuleers out only to fatten their own wallets and killboards. It is not a military, no matter how much you wish it was, and if it was a military you'd have been dismissed from it long ago because of insubordinate behavior and conduct unbecoming of an officer, because you adamantly refuse to act in any way like a professional soldier would. Do you even actually know what duty means? No, you don't. You fight for yourself, because you enjoy to kill people you've chosen to hate. That's the only reason you do anything that you do. Like so many capsuleers, the only thing that you are after is killmails.
I am done playing nice with you, Kim. I have tried very hard over the last two years to be polite and civil with you in respect for the alliance between our nations, even despite your digusting sentiments. But that is over. You do not represent the State. The State is a worthy and respctable ally, you are not. You represent only yourself. My patience with you is at an end. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
140
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:28:39 -
[100] - Quote
Not that I would disagree with you in this regard, but it's not that long ago that you would have quietly ignored the ridiculous little nutbag rather than go nuclear on her. If the troubles of New Eden and what you have had to do in it is weighing this heavily on you, perhaps you could do with some guidance from someone experienced with that.
Of course, I exclude myself from consideration as that would be a laughable notion from your viewpoint, but I am sure there are others out there who can provide... a certain amount of solace.
It is better than letting the frayed edges lead to a torn mind, little kin. |
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
297
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:45:52 -
[101] - Quote
This is the first time I had ever seen Kernher explode.
Kim really brings the worst out of people.
Also, fighting with malicious intent and with eye for profit, yeah, guilty as charged.
Desiderya wrote:
I predict that you'll have more success trying to make blood pudding.
I had already sacrificed a clone and made a still for blood wine. All the other ingredients and everything were added into the now vacuum-sealed and air-tight still. It's apparently pretty similar to making normal wine, just replace grape mush with blood. Smells like welding though.
Also, blood pudding! Never tasted that! When I looked at the ingredient list I backed away. I am sick of all the oatmeal and grain meals.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Angel T Hunter
Brutor Tribe
7
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Posted - 2015.01.23 16:22:45 -
[102] - Quote
Commander Kim... I highly recomend you to take that stone of a heart you have and contenplate on ethics and the word freedom. Either that or take a handfull of "Angels purple chill pill".
PIE gave em people freedom.. Angels know they wanted that.. Yeah, I know they killed them.. But thats only to be expected from an Imperial fleet.. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1186
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Posted - 2015.01.23 16:42:56 -
[103] - Quote
Angel T Hunter wrote:PIE gave em people freedom.. Angels know they wanted that.. Yeah, I know they killed them.. But thats only to be expected from an Imperial fleet..
You know nothing.
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Angel T Hunter
Brutor Tribe
7
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Posted - 2015.01.23 16:56:55 -
[104] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:Angel T Hunter wrote:PIE gave em people freedom.. Angels know they wanted that.. Yeah, I know they killed them.. But thats only to be expected from an Imperial fleet.. You know nothing.
I know a shitload more than you do.. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
937
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:02:59 -
[105] - Quote
John Revenent wrote:Yes.. yes we know, you despise your fellow Kirjuun. As for the hostilities between our two organizations it is well placed, the State does not tolerate pirates of any flavor.
Right. Since when are you talking for the State?
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:08:45 -
[106] - Quote
Mrs Kernher you are taking Kim's bait like there is no tomorrow, please stop. |
Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
88
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:13:36 -
[107] - Quote
Is this thread even about blood wine anymore? |
Graelyn
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
661
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:17:54 -
[108] - Quote
Kalaratiri wrote:Already reinforced huh? I wonder who beat me to it.
The first shots.
Glad to have been apart of it, Crusaders, Praetorians. Call upon us whenever such aid is needed.
-CrdGrae
Cardinal Graelyn
Owner/Operator, "The Summit"
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Jurou Yuan
Hakkaisuo Corporation
144
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:50:43 -
[109] - Quote
Yeah uh, Since I was present and may have laid down some damage on the tower, can I just make sure everyone is aware I was there because I like explosions and dont really care why everyone else was there? That should absolve me from judgement and being a part of this 'white knight' genital comparison marathon you all have going on here. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1570
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:59:41 -
[110] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote: Don't ******* play stupid with me. I know it's hard for you, with your little tiny brain, but you know damn well that I was not talking about legal accusations.
Sometimes comprehending reasons requires analysis. If I do have tiny brain, why do I analyze things and you do not?
Samira Kernher wrote: You, Kim, who spends your every day slaughtering hundreds of people, who has outright said that you consider civilian lives meaningless, who would sooner sacrifice your entire State and Caldari people in your irrational hatred for the Gallente, who by the way each and every one of them, even their worst criminals, is a better person than you. God, even Tibus Heth would be disgusted by you. You're a disgrace. You are a disgrace to the Caldari, to the State, to the Provists, and to humanity.
I do not "slaughter" people, I fight and destroy legal targets, unlike you, Lieutenant, whose targets are those, who fights on the same side and attacking civilian installations with slaves instead of military installations.
I do not claim to be better than any Caldari, but I am ready to sacrifice my own life for any of them. You don't know our traditions, you don't want to understand us, and you want to call me disgrace? You know, what is disgrace, Lieutenant? You behavior right now is.
Samira Kernher wrote: YOU, of ALL people, would dare to accuse me of killing the very people I have spent the entire last year working to protect from the Butcher's mass murder. You, who has never tried nor cared to protect anything in your LIFE, you disgusting little creature.
I didn't plan to offend you, but if you are so hurt by this, I can be of your service. And lying about what I never did doesn't make me disgusting. It makes disgusting someone else, for example... you?
Samira Kernher wrote: I was the first person to act against the Butcher's evil. My previous self became another one of his sacrifices in the process. I have been at every single tower, with a transport loaded with marines, doctors, and medical supplies, to board and secure as many survivors as possible from each and every one of his structures. I spent hours searching for and breaching his 24 depots spread throughout every system in Devoid space to rescue the people he had left to starve to death inside. I have had to set up emergency medical and psychiatric wards in Mehatoor station to treat the thousands of people we've rescued from him, people that had we been even a few days slower would be dead today. Thousands of people, Kim, are alive, who would be dead if we had not acted.
And thousands died from so called "rescue" operations, not from "Butcher"' 's hand. By your obsession with "Butcher" you became "Butcher Second".
Samira Kernher wrote: I go to the Niarja-Kaaputen border crossing and rescue people left over from deathcans. I have offered to pay hundreds of millions of isk to recover people held by Sansha loyalists and Matari terrorists like Havohej. I have used my own money to purchase slaves off of the SCC so that evil men like the Butcher could not get hold of them. I have also taken the time and money to deliver supplies to Caldari Prime after the battle over the planet, and I have provided emergency transportation to colonies in distress such as the Caldari settlement on Tsuruma.
What have you done, that you would dare to judge me? That you would dare to say that I am killing these people?
What I have done? A lot, but I don't want to boast about it as an argument of being better than anyone. The Maker and Winds will be my judges. As for your deeds, I find them insignificant in the current situation. But from your obsession with "poor slaves", I have a disgusting impression that I am being jumped on by a screaming brainwashed gallentean kid instead of Imperial Officer.
Pity you have fallen that low, Lieutenant. |
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
705
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:03:07 -
[111] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote: Sometimes comprehending reasons requires analysis. If I do have tiny brain, why do I analyze things and you do not?
Analyze why literally no one likes you. I think it will be an enlightening experience. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1481
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:09:25 -
[112] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:Not only have those who destroyed this tower damned themselves to the lowest Hell, but they have also drenched their own hands in the blood of slaves.
During previous actions against my towers, PIE had brought along a Kamiera boarding party, supposedly to reduce casualties among the slaves that would otherwise occur had the tower's hangers simply been destroyed and whatever slaves that survived picked up among the wreckage. This time, however, it appeared to my scout that the fleet simply destroyed the hanger as soon as the shields fell. This action, I believe, would have killed about half of the slaves instantly; that is, the aggressing fleet just flat out killed about 25,000 slaves.
Pilots from PIE and SFRIM did eventually bring in transports to recover survivors from the now-destroyed hanger; however, I took advantage of a moment when some of the fleet was off-grid to destroy the wreckage before they could complete the work. Almost immediately after that, someone hotdropped the fleet and destroyed several ships GÇö surely this was a sign of Divine Judgement against those who would attack me and a holy and righteous God. So, too, was the intermittant fighting between I-RED and PY-RE GÇö truly God has sown seeds of discord among his enemies. Amen. Amarr Victor.
You appear to believe you are an intelligent man, and appear to believe you have the powers of persuasion to convert others to your beliefs.
I suggest we put this to the test.
If we place you in a large hangar, with a podium and microphone, and broadcast your speech to a wide audience. And on the other side of the discussion 1000 ex matari slaves who witnessed you drain and murder their children.
And we will find the broadcast rights will be quite desireable.
And judge your merits once and for all.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
280
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:11:40 -
[113] - Quote
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Diana Kim wrote: Sometimes comprehending reasons requires analysis. If I do have tiny brain, why do I analyze things and you do not?
Analyze why literally no one likes you. I think it will be an enlightening experience.
It is unfortunate that Captain Kim has forgotten what few friends she has.
Captain Kim, I for one do not appreciate your comments, and am deeply disappointed.
We did we what could to save who we could. Those who I was able to recover in the Prorater SFRIM On Angel's Wings were grateful. I am sure that others recovered also appreciate their chance at a new life unmolested by the fate of being turned into blood wine. That is all the reward that was necessary. I wish we could have saved more. I grieve for those lost, but remember all would have been lost in due time in Nauplius's care. In the end, we did our Duty as best as possible rather than stand by idly and allow their suffering to continue. You can do better than to take Nauplius's side. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1570
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:25:29 -
[114] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote: Unlike you, some of us believe in protecting instead of destroying. Some of us, unlike you, put the lives of others before our own selfish desires. And don't give me this bullshit about how you're "sacrificing yourself" for the Caldari people. You don't even know the meaning of the word. You've already said you don't care about the Caldari people, you'd sacrifice them in a heartbeat for your pointless little war. Because all you care about, the only thing that matters to you, is your personal vengeance against the Gallente. Which is funny. Vengeance for what? What exactly have the Gallente done to you or your people? Stolen your planet? Boo ******* hoo. It's not even your planet, because you're not even Caldari. You're Achura. You're barely tolerated or welcomed by any real Caldari.
That's one of the worst misinterpretations of my words. I can sacrifice myself and I can do this to others. Would you be strong as well to do it yourself? Yet you talk too much about things you don't know and that you will never know. About me. Stop it, you are just sound stupid because of that. Your words about me has no basis. I pretty much aware what does sacrifice mean.
You have already shown you can't understand me, why do you even try to discuss what matters for me and what do not? You was speaking about tiny brain before, why do you act now like someone with tiny brain?
You even have no idea who am I and what my ancestry is, yet you speaking about it, and again hit the wrong spot. No, I am not Achura completely. Yes, it is my planet too. This isn't smart to talk about things that you have no idea about, but which can be easily verified. Stop doing it and disgracing yourself further.
Samira Kernher wrote: And don't talk about duty, either. The State Protectorate, or any militia, is a MILITIA, a militia of monstrous, disloyal, greedy capsuleers out only to fatten their own wallets and killboards. It is not a military, no matter how much you wish it was, and if it was a military you'd have been dismissed from it long ago because of insubordinate behavior and conduct unbecoming of an officer, because you adamantly refuse to act in any way like a professional soldier would. Do you even actually know what duty means? No, you don't. You fight for yourself, because you enjoy to kill people you've chosen to hate. That's the only reason you do anything that you do. Like so many capsuleers, the only thing that you are after is killmails.
Your ignorance about me is rather appalling. If you have any act of my insubordination, you are to petition it. Obviously, you won't, as there is no such thing. The only thing you have are your empty words and your dirty tongue.
It is not for YOU to tell me what duty means, Lieutenant. I do my job for the State, while you do slaughter.
Samira Kernher wrote: I am done playing nice with you, Kim. I have tried very hard over the last two years to be polite and civil with you in respect for the alliance between our nations, even despite your digusting sentiments. But that is over. You do not represent the State. The State is a worthy and respctable ally, you are not. You represent only yourself. My patience with you is at an end.
I don't remember you was. Your last replies to me was rather hostile, while I was talking to you friendly, considering you a clever woman and loyal officer. Pity, I have mistaken in you. Yes, I started to speak honest without niceties, because that sort of hostility was really annoying, and look now at all that crap that have arisen from that.
I don't know why you hate me so much and why do you lie about me so much, Lieutenant. Your hatred is stupid and irrational. Considering all of this, I can come to a conclusion, that you are a pile of *censored*, Lieutenant. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1571
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:38:12 -
[115] - Quote
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Diana Kim wrote: Sometimes comprehending reasons requires analysis. If I do have tiny brain, why do I analyze things and you do not?
Analyze why literally no one likes you. I think it will be an enlightening experience. Why would I waste my time to analyze straightforward lie?.. I could ask you to analyze why all the stations stopped selling Kestrels. Would it be an enlightening experience as well? |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1571
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:50:18 -
[116] - Quote
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Diana Kim wrote: Sometimes comprehending reasons requires analysis. If I do have tiny brain, why do I analyze things and you do not?
Analyze why literally no one likes you. I think it will be an enlightening experience. It is unfortunate that Captain Kim has forgotten what few friends she has. Captain Kim, I for one do not appreciate your comments, and am deeply disappointed and hurt by them. We did we what could to save who we could. Those who I was able to recover in the Prorater SFRIM On Angel's Wings were grateful. I am sure that others recovered also appreciate their chance at a new life unmolested by the fate of being turned into blood wine. That is all the reward that was necessary. I wish we could have saved more. I grieve for those lost, but remember all would have been lost in due time in Nauplius's hands. In the end, we did our Duty as best as possible rather than stand by idly and allow their suffering to continue. You can do better than to take Nauplius's side. Please excuse me, Lady Aspenstar. I didn't want to offend or hurt you.
I congratulate you with operation to save peoples, and this part I will support. What I was standing against is destruction of the tower. And I definitely won't take Nauplius's side in this conflict. My side here, is that I do oppose this conflict as a whole, which leads to nothing but loss of resources and human lives.
We live in trouble times, there is a war against the Republic and Federation. How can we win, if we will be fighting against each other?.. |
Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
88
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Posted - 2015.01.23 18:51:47 -
[117] - Quote
So either I join the debat along side my superior Diana...and argue with everyone else
Or join the debate along side everyone against Diana...then risk defying my superior
......Yeah il just sit this one out.. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
140
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:22:14 -
[118] - Quote
That was a lot of words for a simple "no u". |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4447
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:27:06 -
[119] - Quote
Desiderya wrote:John Revenent wrote:Yes.. yes we know, you despise your fellow Kirjuun. As for the hostilities between our two organizations it is well placed, the State does not tolerate pirates of any flavor. Right. Since when are you talking for the State?
It's worse than that, he appears to think he IS the State. Now that the farce of National Unity is over, it's back to the good old days, where the Okusaiken Deksaam are free and independent entities bound by shared culture and goals but not shackled.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Anabella Rella
Gradient
1862
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:51:30 -
[120] - Quote
By gods this has gotten entertaining! I'm just going to switch off that multi-part holoseries I was watching and keep an eye on this train wreck. No writer on Gallente Prime could come up with anything even half as amusing as this!
Backstabbing, name calling, unintentional irony, lying, moral indignation, passive aggressive rage...what more could one want?
*munches popcorn*
P.S. It's about time some of you lot saw Kim for the annoying genocidal little **** she is. My advice is to block her on the IGS and shoot her as much as possible in space.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
363
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:03:17 -
[121] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Desiderya wrote:John Revenent wrote:Yes.. yes we know, you despise your fellow Kirjuun. As for the hostilities between our two organizations it is well placed, the State does not tolerate pirates of any flavor. Right. Since when are you talking for the State? It's worse than that, he appears to think he IS the State. Now that the farce of National Unity is over, it's back to the good old days, where the Okusaiken Deksaam are free and independent entities bound by shared culture and goals but not shackled.
Thank you for proving my point, on that information you displayed you will see you harbor enemies of the State. As for me speaking for the State, hardly.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
321
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:15:59 -
[122] - Quote
Angel T Hunter wrote:Commander Kim... I highly recomend you to take that stone of a heart you have and contenplate on ethics and the word freedom. Either that or take a handfull of "Angels purple chill pill".
PIE gave em people freedom.. Angels know they wanted that.. Yeah, I know they killed them.. But thats only to be expected from an Imperial fleet..
Since you seem to be unclear on this point:
The Sansha harboring organization Pyre shot the hangar array that housed the majority of the slaves that the Amarr coalition fleet set out to rescue.
PIE did not kill those slaves.
Despite this action on Pyres part, Amarrian forces still rescued thousands of slaves from the wreckage.
I hope, for the sake of the Pyre pilots souls, that they did not realize just how big a mistake they were making when they shot that array before attempting to rescue the victims inside.
Lord Admiral of PIE inc. | -áRecruitment Information | Public Forum | Neocom channel: "PIE Public" | Amarr Victor!
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Average Space Elf
Hole Violence Whole Squid
74
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Posted - 2015.01.23 20:23:07 -
[123] - Quote
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:Is this thread even about blood wine anymore?
Thank goodness it isn't.
Fortunately, they seem to have moved on to the Spacemans' favorite pursuit: petty bickering. |
Vash Typhoon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.01.23 21:08:10 -
[124] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:I congratulate you with operation to save peoples, and this part I will support. What I was standing against is destruction of the tower. And I definitely won't take Nauplius's side in this conflict. My side here, is that I do oppose this conflict as a whole, which leads to nothing but loss of resources and human lives.
We live in trouble times, there is a war against the Republic and Federation. How can we win, if we will be fighting against each other?..
Thousands of human lives has been already lost by the actions of that sociopath, the sole purpose of that tower was to kill thousands more, I don't understand how you can easily manage to skip that part in name of "avoiding the loss of lives and resources"...
Where is the honor when all you do is looking the other side when innocents are being mass murderer?
Very hipocrite from you... |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
938
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Posted - 2015.01.23 21:37:52 -
[125] - Quote
Neither did we. You should look at the individual putting them into this situation in the first place. I'd have problems with my conscience if there would be ways to access a locked hangar array that does not involve tearing it apart one way or the other. Therefore I am suffering exactly as much as Stormcrows did when they chain-killed this madman's industrials.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Angel T Hunter
Stay Frosty.
8
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Posted - 2015.01.23 22:24:13 -
[126] - Quote
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Angel T Hunter wrote:Commander Kim... I highly recomend you to take that stone of a heart you have and contenplate on ethics and the word freedom. Either that or take a handfull of "Angels purple chill pill".
PIE gave em people freedom.. Angels know they wanted that.. Yeah, I know they killed them.. But thats only to be expected from an Imperial fleet.. Since you seem to be unclear on this point: The Sansha harboring organization Pyre shot the hangar array that housed the majority of the slaves that the Amarr coalition fleet set out to rescue. PIE did not kill those slaves. Despite this action on Pyres part, Amarrian forces still rescued thousands of slaves from the wreckage. I hope, for the sake of the Pyre pilots souls, that they did not realize just how big a mistake they were making when they shot that array before attempting to rescue the victims inside.
Sansha!?! Oh my.. Where does the imperial lies end, or start for that matter.. It is documented that the empire was there. Show me the prof of Sansha being there, and I'll eat my left boot. Statement is just as dum as the same origen theory.. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
761
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:11:10 -
[127] - Quote
Angel T Hunter wrote: Oh my.. Where does the imperial lies end, or start for that matter.. It is documented that the empire was there. Show me the prof of Sansha being there, and I'll eat my left boot. Statement is just as dum as the same origen theory..
Start seasoning your boots.... |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1574
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:34:03 -
[128] - Quote
Vash Typhoon wrote: Thousands of human lives has been already lost by the actions of that sociopath, the sole purpose of that tower was to kill thousands more, I don't understand how you can easily manage to skip that part in name of "avoiding the loss of lives and resources"...
Where is the honor when all you do is looking the other side when innocents are being mass murderer?
Very hipocrite from you...
Who would say about hypocrisy, but not a gallentean! After all you gallenteans do... after all your lies, war crimes and murders you dare to speak about honor and hypocrisy?!
Moreover, you replace concept of honor with some wicked gallentean concepts at "looking at innocents being mass murdered". And now you are making whiny gallentean sort of tear running drama about such insignificant matter!
Having honor means in the first place devotion to your words, to your loyalty, to your duties and obligations. Honor stands on three pillars: courage, justice and loyalty.
Even by slaughtering innocents and becoming mass murderer you could still be honorable if you don't lie about it and accept your punishment according to the law.
Yet you gallenteans are having wicked and perverted conceptions about honor. And if I don't match your personal perversions, it doesn't make me hypocrite. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
708
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:58:59 -
[129] - Quote
Desiderya wrote:Neither did we. You should look at the individual putting them into this situation in the first place. I'd have problems with my conscience if there would be ways to access a locked hangar array that does not involve tearing it apart one way or the other. Therefore I am suffering exactly as much as Stormcrows did when they chain-killed this madman's industrials.
If you had bothered to contact the PIE contingent we would have informed you that we had docking clamps and boarding parties ready to storm the hangar. At each of the last towers we used them to good effect, ending up with a sixty to eighty percent recovery rate amongst the slaves with fifteen percent casualty rate to our own forces in the instance where cultist resistance was sizable. Simply put, the destruction of the hangar was an unnecessary act cause by your own stubbornness, impatience and ignorance of how much we were willing to do to secure the lives of the people within.
As a direct result of your actions, fourty thousand of fifty thousand captives were killed outright. Of the ten thousand that survived in the wreckage, about seven thousand five-hundred were rescued before the hindrances your forces provided doomed the remainder to be killed by the Butcher himself.
We are not going to forget that, and nor will you. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
939
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Posted - 2015.01.24 00:10:58 -
[130] - Quote
[MAXIMUM HANDWAVIUM APPLIED]
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Kalaratiri
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
456
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Posted - 2015.01.24 00:53:13 -
[131] - Quote
*inserted*
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
567
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Posted - 2015.01.24 01:30:41 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Angel T Hunter wrote: Oh my.. Where does the imperial lies end, or start for that matter.. It is documented that the empire was there. Show me the prof of Sansha being there, and I'll eat my left boot. Statement is just as dum as the same origen theory..
Start seasoning your boots.... Rumor has it "Trench" boots taste the best.
Also what is to happen with the right boot? |
Tabor Murn
Kaitaua Whamere
62
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Posted - 2015.01.24 04:49:24 -
[133] - Quote
Angel T Hunter wrote: Show me the prof of Sansha being there, and I'll eat my left boot.
Pro-Tip: Boiling is your friend. If you think it's ready, keep boiling. Watch out for eyelets, you don't want to break a tooth.
-This message has been brought to you by Freedom Fighters for an Ironic Tomorrow.- |
Celestia Via
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
8
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Posted - 2015.01.24 12:39:01 -
[134] - Quote
Sorry to interrupt all your finger - pointing, lemme just say this:
This monsters projects and towers cannot be left standing, they are an insult against all logic. I am glad to see people mobilizing with haste to turn them into smoldering rubble.
The loss of innocent lives is sad but expected. Don't you see what he's doing? He is trying to sow confusion by mentioning the slaves who where killed during the attack. Starting a blame - game.
Nauplius wrote:Imagine the utter horror it must have been for those slaves at that moment. Knowing they were under attack. Knowing they could do nothing about it. Knowing they were going to die; a cold death under strange stars; a death without purpose; a death without meaning.
25,000 slaves. You killed them. You are slave killers. That is what you are.
As for you, monster. Do not sully those people's memory as if you cared for them, or as if their deaths sparked any emotion in your wretched heart.You rejoiced in their death as you rejoiced in mangling their lives.
But know this: Given the choice, I would gladly kill those people myself, all of them, rather than leave them to your "care". |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1580
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Posted - 2015.01.24 12:59:26 -
[135] - Quote
Sweet Maker...
Ms. Via, did you just interrupt finger-pointing to finger point on Mr. Nauplius?...
As for killing Mr. Nauplius slaves, it isn't their fault that Mr. Nauplius is Mr. Nauplius. It brings no honor in killing ones for crimes of others. It is... unjust and disgusting.
Of course, unless his slaves will defend him with weapons in their hands, then go ahead. Kill them. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
262
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Posted - 2015.01.24 14:05:13 -
[136] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:
As for killing Mr. Nauplius slaves, it isn't their fault that Mr. Nauplius is Mr. Nauplius. It brings no honor in killing ones for crimes of others. It is... unjust and disgusting.
Like when you decided to kill, what 50+ gallante POWs in response to some serial killer? Excuse me but who are you to talk on that point? |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
305
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Posted - 2015.01.24 15:56:02 -
[137] - Quote
From the fiery depths of Hell, the 25,000 euthanized slaves cry out for vengeance. And at the end of days GÇö the day of days, the day of wrath GÇö they shall have it. For on that terrible day, God shall condemn all the men and women of PIE, SFRIM, PY-RE, and I-RED to the lowest of Hells GÇö the very Pit GÇö where they shall spend all eternity in the lake of fire under the lash of their master, Molok the Deceiver.
And from the blood stained golden towers of Paradise, I shall look down upon them and cackle with glee. Amen. Amarr Victor. |
U'tah Arareb
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.01.24 16:23:45 -
[138] - Quote
This entire project was nothing more than a devils snare... Our Slaves are not to be abused, they are children. There was no release for then in this vile Sinners technological hell but the release of death.
Now he mocks, calling those that freed them from torment in the only way possible murderers...
But what does one expect from one of this defilers stock? He hates his own existence, can you not see?
Like them for Him and other heretics like him there is no release from his torment either, but death. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
299
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Posted - 2015.01.24 17:24:55 -
[139] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:From the fiery depths of Hell, the 25,000 euthanized slaves cry out for vengeance. And at the end of days GÇö the day of days, the day of wrath GÇö they shall have it. For on that terrible day, God shall condemn all the men and women of PIE, SFRIM, PY-RE, and I-RED to the lowest of Hells GÇö the very Pit GÇö where they shall spend all eternity in the lake of fire under the lash of their master, Molok the Deceiver.
And from the blood stained golden towers of Paradise, I shall look down upon them and cackle with glee. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Those 25,000 slaves cry out for your blood. It is unfortunate that you are so tone-deaf you can't even tell the difference.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1582
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Posted - 2015.01.24 21:22:51 -
[140] - Quote
Deitra Vess wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
As for killing Mr. Nauplius slaves, it isn't their fault that Mr. Nauplius is Mr. Nauplius. It brings no honor in killing ones for crimes of others. It is... unjust and disgusting.
Like when you decided to kill, what 50+ gallante POWs in response to some serial killer? Excuse me but who are you to talk on that point? I didn't just "decided" to kill them, so could you stop LYING, minmatar? They were charged with crimes against the State, was given chance to defend themselves and were found guilty by tribunal and sentenced to death. All regulations and justice procedures were followed. |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1582
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Posted - 2015.01.24 21:30:47 -
[141] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:From the fiery depths of Hell, the 25,000 euthanized slaves cry out for vengeance. And at the end of days GÇö the day of days, the day of wrath GÇö they shall have it. For on that terrible day, God shall condemn all the men and women of PIE, SFRIM, PY-RE, and I-RED to the lowest of Hells GÇö the very Pit GÇö where they shall spend all eternity in the lake of fire under the lash of their master, Molok the Deceiver.
And from the blood stained golden towers of Paradise, I shall look down upon them and cackle with glee. Amen. Amarr Victor. Yea, yea, they killed your slaves, we got it (at least those of us, who still have some gray matter inside heads). But why in the Hek you are bringing it? If they wouldn't kill them, YOU would. Wasn't this tower for turning them into wine? Wasn't you going to kill them yourself? How many slaves would cry out for vengeance for you killing them, or you would claim you never sacrificed one, eh?
You wanted to destroy minmatars? They did it instead of you. Enjoy. Now please shut up. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
262
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Posted - 2015.01.24 22:59:17 -
[142] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
As for killing Mr. Nauplius slaves, it isn't their fault that Mr. Nauplius is Mr. Nauplius. It brings no honor in killing ones for crimes of others. It is... unjust and disgusting.
Like when you decided to kill, what 50+ gallante POWs in response to some serial killer? Excuse me but who are you to talk on that point? I didn't just "decided" to kill them, so could you stop LYING, minmatar? They were charged with crimes against the State, was given chance to defend themselves and were found guilty by tribunal and sentenced to death. All regulations and justice procedures were followed.
I'm a liar for bringing up the fact you publically executed POWs, in response to a serial killer? Ok then......... Guess I'm a liar. I'd actually explain my point (which mind you had nothing to do with the POWs them self), but I don't see any actual reason to do so. It is pretty obvious, after all.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
306
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Posted - 2015.01.24 23:03:15 -
[143] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote: Yea, yea, they killed your slaves, we got it (at least those of us, who still have some gray matter inside heads). But why in the Hek you are bringing it? If they wouldn't kill them, YOU would. Wasn't this tower for turning them into wine? Wasn't you going to kill them yourself? How many slaves would cry out for vengeance for you killing them, or you would claim you never sacrificed one, eh?
You wanted to destroy minmatars? They did it instead of you. Enjoy. Now please shut up.
It is true that I do not believe in conventional morality and that I would have made every slave in that tower into wine eventually. The point of my taunting is to mock those who destroyed my tower for their hypocrisy, given that they do supposedly believe in conventional morality. Well, some of them anyway.
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Vash Typhoon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.01.25 02:56:15 -
[144] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Who would say about hypocrisy, but not a gallentean! After all you gallenteans do... after all your lies, war crimes and murders you dare to speak about honor and hypocrisy?!
Moreover, you replace concept of honor with some wicked gallentean concepts at "looking at innocents being mass murdered". And now you are making whiny gallentean sort of tear running drama about such insignificant matter!
Having honor means in the first place devotion to your words, to your loyalty, to your duties and obligations. Honor stands on three pillars: courage, justice and loyalty.
Even by slaughtering innocents and becoming mass murderer you could still be honorable if you don't lie about it and accept your punishment according to the law.
Yet you gallenteans are having wicked and perverted conceptions about honor. And if I don't match your personal perversions, it doesn't make me hypocrite.
Yes you are, labeling people as "gallenteans", "minmatars", "weaks" or whatever you need to make things simple enough for your simple brain to handle. The Federation, the Ammar Empire, Minmatar Republic and your beloved State, do you really think they are diferent one from another?... They just use pawns like you to do their bids...
In the end you lack the courage to make true justice, the one beyond politics and uniforms, in those moments when something is wrong and must be stoped you did nothing... Keep yourself in your "great and honorable fights" pity little thing, do not criticize those who did what you were not brave enough to do. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1582
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Posted - 2015.01.25 11:04:41 -
[145] - Quote
Deitra Vess wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
As for killing Mr. Nauplius slaves, it isn't their fault that Mr. Nauplius is Mr. Nauplius. It brings no honor in killing ones for crimes of others. It is... unjust and disgusting.
Like when you decided to kill, what 50+ gallante POWs in response to some serial killer? Excuse me but who are you to talk on that point? I didn't just "decided" to kill them, so could you stop LYING, minmatar? They were charged with crimes against the State, was given chance to defend themselves and were found guilty by tribunal and sentenced to death. All regulations and justice procedures were followed. I'm a liar for bringing up the fact you publically executed POWs, in response to a serial killer? Ok then......... Guess I'm a liar. I'd actually explain my point (which mind you had nothing to do with the POWs them self), but I don't see any actual reason to do so. It is pretty obvious, after all. You are a liar because you are twisting the facts and interpret them in your twisted mind to distort the reality. I have simply shown my job and the fate that awaits this serial killer. So called "POWs" were criminals and were convicted to execution according to law and by following all regulations. I have chose to show it publicly, so this serial killer would see what will wait him and all criminals like him. Convicts to be executed on camera were chosen specifically to match serial killer's appearance.
Now why the hell YOU are bringing it here? |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1582
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Posted - 2015.01.25 11:06:09 -
[146] - Quote
Nauplius wrote:Diana Kim wrote: Yea, yea, they killed your slaves, we got it (at least those of us, who still have some gray matter inside heads). But why in the Hek you are bringing it? If they wouldn't kill them, YOU would. Wasn't this tower for turning them into wine? Wasn't you going to kill them yourself? How many slaves would cry out for vengeance for you killing them, or you would claim you never sacrificed one, eh?
You wanted to destroy minmatars? They did it instead of you. Enjoy. Now please shut up.
It is true that I do not believe in conventional morality and that I would have made every slave in that tower into wine eventually. The point of my taunting is to mock those who destroyed my tower for their hypocrisy, given that they do supposedly believe in conventional morality. Well, some of them anyway. Now, what does "conventional" morality mean?.. |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
473
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Posted - 2015.01.25 11:15:38 -
[147] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Nauplius wrote:Diana Kim wrote: Yea, yea, they killed your slaves, we got it (at least those of us, who still have some gray matter inside heads). But why in the Hek you are bringing it? If they wouldn't kill them, YOU would. Wasn't this tower for turning them into wine? Wasn't you going to kill them yourself? How many slaves would cry out for vengeance for you killing them, or you would claim you never sacrificed one, eh?
You wanted to destroy minmatars? They did it instead of you. Enjoy. Now please shut up.
It is true that I do not believe in conventional morality and that I would have made every slave in that tower into wine eventually. The point of my taunting is to mock those who destroyed my tower for their hypocrisy, given that they do supposedly believe in conventional morality. Well, some of them anyway. Now, what does "conventional" morality mean?..
One would assume ideas like, "Killing innocent civilians for no reason is wrong". |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1582
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Posted - 2015.01.25 11:16:35 -
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Vash Typhoon wrote: In the end you lack the courage to make true justice, the one beyond politics and uniforms, in those moments when something is wrong and must be stoped you did nothing... Keep yourself in your "great and honorable fights" pity little thing, do not criticize those who did what you were not brave enough to do.
You want TRUE JUSTICE?!
You will see TRUE JUSTICE, when your homeworld will burn from orbital bombing, you will see TRUE JUSTICE when your worlds will be occupied for 200 years, you will see TRUE JUSTICE, when occupants on your homeworld will scream "exterminate all Jin-Mei", you will see TRUE JUSTICE when your capital fleet will be lured to your world low orbit and smashed down to rain on you molten carbides and capital superstructure parts, you will see TRUE JUSTICE, when your stations will be rammed by those, who will claim to make peace with you, you will see TRUE JUSTICE when your POWs will be tortured like in Federal prisons.
You think I LACK courage to bring you TRUE JUSTICE?!
Come here, to warzone, and see for yourself, federal lapdog, I will stuff you with superheated justice. |
Vash Typhoon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.01.25 12:50:49 -
[149] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Vash Typhoon wrote: In the end you lack the courage to make true justice, the one beyond politics and uniforms, in those moments when something is wrong and must be stoped you did nothing... Keep yourself in your "great and honorable fights" pity little thing, do not criticize those who did what you were not brave enough to do.
You want TRUE JUSTICE?! You will see TRUE JUSTICE, when your homeworld will burn from orbital bombing, you will see TRUE JUSTICE when your worlds will be occupied for 200 years, you will see TRUE JUSTICE, when occupants on your homeworld will scream "exterminate all Jin-Mei", you will see TRUE JUSTICE when your capital fleet will be lured to your world low orbit and smashed down to rain on you molten carbides and capital superstructure parts, you will see TRUE JUSTICE, when your stations will be rammed by those, who will claim to make peace with you, you will see TRUE JUSTICE when your POWs will be tortured like in Federal prisons. You think I LACK courage to bring you TRUE JUSTICE?! Come here, to warzone, and see for yourself, federal lapdog, I will stuff you with superheated justice.
See little pawn?
Your own words show my point... You are not any better than the mad man, just a cheap version. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1583
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Posted - 2015.01.25 14:15:52 -
[150] - Quote
So, true justice for gallenteans and their pet lapdogs from "gallenteanized" races is "madness"?
Pretty much explains why most of you are war criminals, genocidists, why you mistreat prisoners and violate treaties. Your concept of freedom basically tells you that you can do whatever you want.
This won't work in the State and with Caldari citizens. We uphold the law. We bring the law. And we will force you to obey the law. |
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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
415
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Posted - 2015.01.25 15:45:36 -
[151] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Nicoletta Mithra wrote:Lord Admiral, may I suggest? According to the principle of charity, which requires us try our best to get a coherent and interesting line of argument out of a statement, we have to assume she was referring to the work of the heretic, rather than to removing it. To any reasonable person it should make total sense to refer to the building and operation of this 'blood winery' as an unprofessional, disgusting waste of resources, no? Actually I was referring to both events, both erecting useless tower by heretic, and destruction of it as well. That building such tower was a waste, I guess everyone (except Mr. Nauplius) understands. But destroying it was a waste as well, by two reasons: 1) This tower could be used to lure enemies and; 2) There are many other towers to destroy with way greater military importance.
Now, it is sad to see that you actually also meant what the Lord Admiral understood you to say. Evidently, you lack in reason to make the distinction between ends and means. Ends, by their very nature are always more important than means. And while that tower might have been usable as a means to fight heathens, the end of preventing heresy from being enacted is by far more important than dealing with some heathens. Also, there are many more ways to deal with heathens than the one you suggest: So, if one removes the tower, both ends are achievable, if you don't remove the tower, you forfeit pursuing one end - and that's the more important one.
So, I stand by what I said: The interpretation I gave is the most reasonable of the words uttered. It's just sad to see that you, Cpt. Kim, stay behind on what reasonableness your words allow for. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1295
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Posted - 2015.01.25 18:37:17 -
[152] - Quote
It took a while, but I finalized the article on the destruction of the Blood Winery at last:
Blood Winery destroyed in discord
I like to thank everyone who answered my request for information prior. It has been a great help!
The reason for the late publication was that I did my best to analyze everyone's motives without all the mud-throwing involved that you can see in this thread. (sans Nauplius, as he is so 'kind' to explain them here)
In short, the whole mess at the second attack began due to a too strict application of the NBSI rules of engagement employed by Pyre, resulting in what could have escalated into a fleet fight.
PIE in my opinion did everything they could within their power to prevent an escalation, up & including an order for retaliation fire, a needed step, as Pyre has mentioned in previous conflict of interest to deal with it through diplomatic contacts, something that's impractical on the field of battle. I-RED also assisted in prevention of escalation by employing fleet avoidance tactics, in order to prevent Pyre engaging them. PIE did warn Pyre of consequences, but did not go further as long as no direct conflict occurred.
The arrival of Ethical carnage did pacify the situation in the end, enough to let all 4 fleets engage the tower in an uneasy temporary truce.
However the destruction of the hangar at the end by Pyre struck me as needlessly, as previous attacks on the Nauplius' Blood towers have shown that PIE boarding troops can successfully breach the security. Will it cost lives? Undoubtedly, but not as many as the destruction of the facility. Are there slaves scarred beyond help due to the trauma's endured under Nauplius? Undoubtedly as well, but to simply destroy the facility without giving the healthy ones a chance is just unneeded violence if they could be saved. Note, due to how Concord generates Kill reports of structures, everyone who fired on a Tower, will also show up on any attached structure destroyed after. Do note, the damage contribution is still calculated on a per structure basis.
The whole turmoil caused by Pyre's strict adherence to NBSI RoE did generate a delay that proved lethal to the survivors as a hostile fleet drove the rescue force out, allowing Nauplius to kill the survivors by blowing up the sealed parts of the wreckage.
One last note, I could have gone the easy way, and simply demonize Pyre for 'being evil capsuleers attacking willy-nilly' but I choose not to, analyzing deeper on how & why things happened they way they did during the second attack. Due to this, I do not expect this report to be to the taste of everyone.
Blood Winery destroyed in discord
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1583
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:30:51 -
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Thank you, Ms. Ymladris for showing what exactly happened.
Jandice Ymladris wrote: allowing Nauplius to kill the survivors by blowing up the sealed parts of the wreckage.
Quite interesting thing. Mr. Nauplius was blaming others in killing his slaves, but look at this, he killed second part of them himself.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1583
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:40:25 -
[154] - Quote
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Diana Kim wrote: Now, what does "conventional" morality mean?..
One would assume ideas like, "Killing innocent civilians for no reason is wrong". Where did you get it, Ms. Gwen?!..
Killing someone is illegal action, and where it is permitted is strongly controlled by law. But this "innocent civilian" part is what made me cringe . Where is this wording from? Some cheap gallentean reel with dubious moral about pseudo-"good" hero who behaves unprofessionally and follows antihuman ideals?..
According to such definition you, Ms. Gwen, who can be considered as a military pilot (as capsuleer program allows you to fly combat ships), in some context you won't be civilian anymore. And if you, for example, will take someone's candy from the table, you will be guilty in theft and not innocent anymore.
Thus, if you would steal a candy, you will be neither innocent nor civilian, and according to such "moral", it is okay, for example, for Mr. Nauplius to take you and kill you by turning you into wine.
Well, luckily, it is against the law in the State, so while you will stay as Caldari citizen, you will be pretty much safe.
And, as you can see, this example wouldn't fit neither as a conventional, nor as moral. I, actually, can offer another example myself, that would definitely fit under "conventional" morality:
"Put interests of your society before your own interests"
See, from one side, it is not regulated by law. From other side, we all know that being an egoistic individualist is wrong and the society won't like you. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1295
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:49:10 -
[155] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Thank you, Ms. Ymladris for showing what exactly happened. Jandice Ymladris wrote: allowing Nauplius to kill the survivors by blowing up the sealed parts of the wreckage.
Quite interesting thing. Mr. Nauplius was blaming others in killing his slaves, but look at this, he killed second part of them himself. Indeed, I do add a small correction, as this wasn't apparent in the original sentence (now slightly changed to reflect this); a part was rescued by PIE & Ethical Carnage, before the Death by Design fleet disrupted the rescue operation & drove out the Amarr fleet. Those who were left behind in the wreckage were later killed by Nauplius by him firing on said wreckage.
Blood Winery destroyed in discord
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
939
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Posted - 2015.01.26 15:43:49 -
[156] - Quote
The report is filled with factual errors, faulty conclusions and despite your claims is terribly one-sided. If we would have at any point considered engaging the PIE fleet there wouldn't have been a lot of it left by the time Ethical Carnage arrived.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1296
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Posted - 2015.01.26 18:37:17 -
[157] - Quote
Desiderya wrote:The report is filled with factual errors, faulty conclusions and despite your claims is terribly one-sided. If we would have at any point considered engaging the PIE fleet there wouldn't have been a lot of it left by the time Ethical Carnage arrived.
Mrs Desiderya, please not let your emotions cloud your judgement, it does not suit you. As I take my job serious, I'll respond to your statements, as I have nothing to hide. I would appreciate if you gave examples of the accusations the next time, as right now I m left guessing to what you mean.
-The report is filled with factual errors While I do not deny there are errors in the report, I doubt the report is 'filled with factual errors' It is composed by information given to me by various sides, information that at times clashed. From this I have to analyze and sometimes ask less pleasant questions to those who assist me in order to get a clearer picture.
- faulty conclusions If you can share these faulty conclusions I draw, then I can address them or explain why I came to that conclusion, multiple sides offer multiple views, that can go into disagreement without being faulty.
- terribly one-sided. I do admit the focus lies on the Amarr fleets, simply because they did the most work regarding taking down the tower & rescuing the slaves. If you point to Pyre being portrayed as the aggressor, I do remind you the article does stress at two points (second attack paragraph & Epilogue paragraph) that a lone Pyre pilot carried the responsibility of the tense situation, not the whole of Pyre. A situation that is indeed handled by diplomats afterwards. Regarding the situation between Pyre & I-RED, you have each other at red standing, so you are both free to fire at each other, as you are both marked as enemies. The simple manner of the situation was that I-RED attempted to avoid you, while Pyre choose to pursue for a while.
-If we would have at any point considered engaging the PIE fleet there wouldn't have been a lot of it left by the time Ethical Carnage arrived I don't doubt this, and I'm sure PIE was aware of it as well, as it is mentioned they lacked the mobility to react to your fleet. Furthermore, no-one was interested in engaging each other, keeping at precaution actions. It was merely a tense situation that emerged though the actions of a lone reckless pilot.
Do know that you can mail me these grievances to me in the future, this keeps the thread more clean & focused on the matters at hand. Any major errors you can point out & are in line with other information I have will be corrected.
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Milo Caman
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
119
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:02:28 -
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Fact Check:
Quote:In short, the whole mess at the second attack began due to a too strict application of the NBSI rules of engagement employed by Pyre, resulting in what could have escalated into a fleet fight.
The entities we engaged on the tower had made it very clear that they would be acting with hostile intent towards us. We had (also) made it very clear that there might be repercussions if we ran into them. I really don't see how shooting people we have set mutual red is 'a strict adherence to NBSI policy'
Quote:PIE in my opinion did everything they could within their power to prevent an escalation, up & including an order for retaliation fire, a needed step, as Pyre has mentioned in previous conflict of interest to deal with it through diplomatic contacts, something that's impractical on the field of battle. I-RED also assisted in prevention of escalation by employing fleet avoidance tactics, in order to prevent Pyre engaging them. PIE did warn Pyre of consequences, but did not go further as long as no direct conflict occurred.
PIE fielded a grand total of around 4 pilots. For gods sake, even Ishuk-raata Enforcement Directive, an alliance on life support, fielded more pilots (although they managed to waste everyone's time and hide behind the skirts of Ethical Carnage when they arrived, making rather weak efforts to disrupt the tower assault operations, so I suppose PIE contributed more).
Although I enjoy reading these articles filled with mildly amusing rubbish, I think perhaps you should leave those to Muck Raker. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
708
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Posted - 2015.01.26 19:53:51 -
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And here I was thinking PYRE was too good to worry about trivialities like public relations or diplomatic decorum. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4450
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:05:23 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:And here I was thinking PYRE was too good to worry about trivialities like public relations or diplomatic decorum.
Truth is the concern of all men.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
708
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:10:42 -
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Truth also speaks for itself. It's why PIE does not have to try very hard to present the truth; our actions take care of that for us.
We're bad liars anyway. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1296
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:43:27 -
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Milo Caman wrote:Fact Check:Quote:In short, the whole mess at the second attack began due to a too strict application of the NBSI rules of engagement employed by Pyre, resulting in what could have escalated into a fleet fight. The entities we engaged on the tower had made it very clear that they would be acting with hostile intent towards us. We had (also) made it very clear that there might be repercussions if we ran into them. I really don't see how shooting people we have set mutual red is 'a strict adherence to NBSI policy'
As you notice, and I boldened it, it is the start, I was not aware that PIE & SFRIM were set hostile by you, this is also in conflict with the info I received earlier by Pyre members (in the article itself, it is clearly stated it was a lone Pyre pilot who started it due to overzealous/ too strict application of NBSI RoE). I do admit that the short synopsis I provided here is unclear on it, so I edited it now to reflect this
The only red standing pilots on field (and those red standings were mutual) was I-RED who showed up later, hence were not at the start of the operation. If you refer to the PIE threat, this was a logical result by the hostility towards an SFRIM pilot (who was fired on but not destroyed by a Pyre Pilot)
Milo Caman wrote:Quote:PIE in my opinion did everything they could within their power to prevent an escalation, up & including an order for retaliation fire, a needed step, as Pyre has mentioned in previous conflict of interest to deal with it through diplomatic contacts, something that's impractical on the field of battle. I-RED also assisted in prevention of escalation by employing fleet avoidance tactics, in order to prevent Pyre engaging them. PIE did warn Pyre of consequences, but did not go further as long as no direct conflict occurred. PIE fielded a grand total of around 4 pilots. For gods sake, even Ishuk-raata Enforcement Directive, an alliance on life support, fielded more pilots (although they managed to waste everyone's time and hide behind the skirts of Ethical Carnage when they arrived, making rather weak efforts to disrupt the tower assault operations, so I suppose PIE contributed more). Although I enjoy reading these articles filled with mildly amusing rubbish, I think perhaps you should leave those to Muck Raker.
I thank you for displaying the issues I had with writing the article, trying to merge together all the different & clashing viewpoints. The core issue is that an accident happened, bringing a high tense to the situation, viewed from different points it gives different interpretations. Some very damning, others very forgiving, I chose to take a somewhat middle road, based on what info I had.
Blood Winery destroyed in discord
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4453
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Posted - 2015.01.26 22:27:59 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Truth also speaks for itself. It's why PIE does not have to try very hard to present the truth; our actions take care of that for us.
We're bad liars anyway.
I find it to be quite opposite. The truth needs all of us to speak up for her - she has a delicate voice that liars find easy to drown out.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
35711
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Posted - 2015.01.26 22:45:18 -
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Sorry to learn of the loss of your latest tower, Mr Nauplius.
Regardless of the outcome, sir I do believe you're doing something right.
With the consistent calls-to-arms in space each time, followed by the bickering and diplomatic in-fighting that continues for days or even weeks afterward via the galnet and beyond, you'll have your detractors exhausted in no time and likely killing each other instead of your stuff.
Well played, sir. And best of luck for your next venture
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
The Endgame | Wormhole Diaries
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4454
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Posted - 2015.01.26 23:17:42 -
[165] - Quote
Erica Dusette wrote: With the consistent calls-to-arms in space each time, followed by the bickering and diplomatic in-fighting that continues for days or even weeks afterward via the galnet and beyond, you'll have your detractors exhausted in no time and likely killing each other AS WELL AS your stuff.
Fixed this for you.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
35790
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Posted - 2015.01.27 00:46:31 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Erica Dusette wrote: With the consistent calls-to-arms in space each time, followed by the bickering and diplomatic in-fighting that continues for days or even weeks afterward via the galnet and beyond, you'll have your detractors exhausted in no time and likely killing each other AS WELL AS your stuff.
Fixed this for you. I can respect that repair.
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
The Endgame | Wormhole Diaries
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
307
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Posted - 2015.01.27 14:37:09 -
[167] - Quote
Jandice Ymladris wrote:---currently rewriting article, based on new data & re-interpretation of old data given----Major error was made on my side by allowing emotion & personal judgement getting in the way of facts----
It would be better if Aurora Arcology practiced responsible journalism and sought my side of the stories, instead of relying for its information solely upon sinners condemned by their actions to the very Pit. |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
474
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Posted - 2015.01.27 15:08:40 -
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Nauplius wrote:[It would be better if Aurora Arcology practiced responsible journalism and sought my side of the stories, instead of relying for its information solely upon sinners condemned by their actions to the very Pit.
And I should think it would be better if you practiced responsible humanity and civility and didn't commit mass-murder every other weekend, mister Nauplius. Alas, if wishes were tigers. |
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
672
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Posted - 2015.01.27 19:09:49 -
[169] - Quote
Jandice Ymladris wrote:---currently rewriting article, based on new data & re-interpretation of old data given----Major error was made on my side by allowing emotion & personal judgement getting in the way of facts---- ... You know, I don't say or write a lot, but when I do... Also, when I wrote "all parties", I was also referring to Nauplius.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4454
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Posted - 2015.01.27 22:37:57 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Nauplius wrote:[It would be better if Aurora Arcology practiced responsible journalism and sought my side of the stories, instead of relying for its information solely upon sinners condemned by their actions to the very Pit. And I should think it would be better if you practiced responsible humanity and civility and didn't commit mass-murder every other weekend, mister Nauplius. Alas, if wishes were tigers.
It would be very dangerous in my head?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
307
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Posted - 2015.01.27 23:30:06 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Nauplius wrote:[It would be better if Aurora Arcology practiced responsible journalism and sought my side of the stories, instead of relying for its information solely upon sinners condemned by their actions to the very Pit. And I should think it would be better if you practiced responsible humanity and civility and didn't commit mass-murder every other weekend, mister Nauplius. Alas, if wishes were tigers.
Criticism from the most beautiful Pilot in New Eden ought to be taken seriously, if only for the non-zero probability that she is really an Angel of God, beings whose tremendous beauty is described in the Scriptures. It is at least as likely, however, that Lady Gwen is an angel of Molok the Deceiver, beings not described in the Scriptures but whose existence I hypothesize to be likely.
At any rate, I do not have a so- called mass murder planned for this weekend and so I need not resolve this matter immediately. |
Karmilla Strife
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
258
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Posted - 2015.01.28 05:06:20 -
[172] - Quote
Molok has been dead for a long time. Furthermore, Molok has no angels. Once again you're making things up Nappy.
God speaks through Scripture, not madmen. Even the Sabik would agree with that. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
307
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Posted - 2015.01.28 14:41:27 -
[173] - Quote
Karmilla Strife wrote:Molok has been dead for a long time. Furthermore, Molok has no angels. Once again you're making things up Nappy.
God speaks through Scripture, not madmen. Even the Sabik would agree with that.
Molok the Deceiver lives and is the principal object of worship for the PIE and SFRIM organizations. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1589
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:58:12 -
[174] - Quote
I am not sure I will be able to drink any wine after this story. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
313
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:52:50 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I am not sure I will be able to drink any wine after this story.
I believe you mentioned, rather passionately, I might add, that you eschew any alcohol, deeming drinking to be unprofessional. Unless all of that was hot air?
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1595
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Posted - 2015.01.29 21:02:53 -
[176] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I am not sure I will be able to drink any wine after this story. I believe you mentioned, rather passionately, I might add, that you eschew any alcohol, deeming drinking to be unprofessional. Unless all of that was hot air? Drinking is not professional indeed.
But sometimes it is necessary, for example, because of traditions, like we Caldari drink tea. Decline to drink it could be rather insulting, so in other cultures it might be alcohol.
Too bad that your minmatar head couldn't imagine such situation for itself, but, alas. Sometimes I demand from peoples too much... |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
315
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Posted - 2015.01.30 00:11:53 -
[177] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I am not sure I will be able to drink any wine after this story. I believe you mentioned, rather passionately, I might add, that you eschew any alcohol, deeming drinking to be unprofessional. Unless all of that was hot air? Drinking is not professional indeed. But sometimes it is necessary, for example, because of traditions, like we Caldari drink tea. Decline to drink it could be rather insulting, so in other cultures it might be alcohol. Too bad that your minmatar head couldn't imagine such situation for itself, but, alas. Sometimes I demand from peoples too much...
And there you go taking other people's words out of context just to make yourself feel better.
I hope you enjoy the company of those rubber missiles, because they will be your only companions for the decades to come.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Enyalie
Namazoth
23
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Posted - 2015.01.30 02:35:42 -
[178] - Quote
Well that was bloody embarrassing.. |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2015.01.30 04:27:04 -
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Nauplius wrote:Jandice Ymladris wrote:---currently rewriting article, based on new data & re-interpretation of old data given----Major error was made on my side by allowing emotion & personal judgement getting in the way of facts---- It would be better if Aurora Arcology practiced responsible journalism and sought my side of the stories, instead of relying for its information solely upon sinners condemned by their actions to the very Pit. Heresy is banned by Theology Council, so Ms. Ymladris did it right by not taking side of stories, that would be filled with heresy.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1301
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Posted - 2015.01.30 21:04:54 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:And here I was thinking PYRE was too good to worry about trivialities like public relations or diplomatic decorum.
The complaint they had was justified & had nothing to do with Public relations or decorum. Factual errors being published can lead to people believing these errors as reality. It was within Pyre's right to complain about these errors as nobody likes false accusations.
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Truth also speaks for itself. It's why PIE does not have to try very hard to present the truth; our actions take care of that for us.
We're bad liars anyway.
Highlighting this, as I can confirm PIE carries truth high in their banner, they've been a great help, along with Pyre to correct the errors in the report.
The finalized report can be found here: 'Blood Winery successfully destroyed'
The most difficulty I faced was rewriting it to give a clearer picture that the various incidents are not directly related but rather occurred through different circumstances. This was also one of the major reasons of the error, my assumed belief that they were directly related. Also, Nauplius was not consulted during the making of the article (and all previous Blood Tower articles) due to the fact he tends to state his views & observations quite clearly in the various threads related to them.
Once again thanks to all who assisted in providing information & correcting the errors!
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