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Brutor Shaun
Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.23 00:20:00 -
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Perhaps it's just me, but when I started out (a year and a bit ago) if someone shouted for a mission loot collector, I was there!!
Tonight, I really couldn't be bothered collecting loot, so I did an invite in local. 105 pilots.....not one showed an interest. I even offered 'you scoop, you keep'! Nothing!
Has Eve really come to the point wher no-one trusts anyone unless they're sporting the same corp/alliance ticker?
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Plymer Ization
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.23 00:27:00 -
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Well, considering the can-flagging-shooty-shooty element that has been introduced between the time when you (and I) started playing, I think people have become a little more aprehensive about trusting 'generous' strangers. Although there was one time a few months ago while running a mission and not bothering to pick up the cans, someone was polite enough to ask me if he could have my loot. Being a nice person, I said yes and paid no heed to the blinky-red when I saw him at the gate...
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lofty29
Gallente Praxiteles Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.23 00:28:00 -
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I take full responsibility ---------------------------
Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you.
I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus |
Sovy Kurosei
Amarr Therianthropic Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.23 00:28:00 -
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Sometimes I don't even trust the people in a player corp I am. ___________________
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Valkazm
Amarr Cursed Spawn Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.09.23 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Sometimes I don't even trust the people in a player corp I am.
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Baleorg
Gallente Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.09.23 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 I take full responsibility
that makes you happy?
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Brutor Shaun
Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.23 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Baleorg
Originally by: lofty29 I take full responsibility
that makes you happy?
sad
I thought that, but didn't say anything. Perhaps that's just the way EvE is going now. As in RL, it's turned into 'who can you **** over, and for how much?' (Dentara Rast)
Hence, the lack of trust.
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Xeliya
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Posted - 2006.09.23 02:01:00 -
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Well knowing that if you wanted you could gank them by setting up a fake war and invie the alt war target to the gang then warp in with a ship to mess them up with, most people wont. There was a rattlesnake poped a few months ago like this, he goes to help someone and then the guy invites another player that is a alt as a war target for his main then pop goes his ship . . . Only takes a few to ruin everyone else's trust.
I won't join a gang unless it's made by me so I know they won't pull that crap.
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Eternal Fury
Caldari Shadow Of The Light
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Posted - 2006.09.23 02:39:00 -
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When I first started back in Jan, someone was showing me the ropes one day. I'm sad to say I don't even remember this helpful persons name, but I have a feeling I met them on the noob channel.
Anyways.. After answering my 300 questions on my second day, he was just about to log off, and he said this.
"This is the last piece of advice I'll give you. Take it as you will, but it's THE most important thing you will ever learn in this game. Unlike in real life, people in eve are NOT to be trusted. They must EARN your trust. Earning trust takes time. Lots of it. Trust noone, and noone will rip you off. It's harsh, it's sad, but it'll save you from looseing a few months work. Eve is a wonderful game. But don't trust anyone."
And it's one thing I've lived by. It's kept me from being jumped in 0.0. It's let me keep my ship where friends have lost theirs. There are only a FEW people I trust in game. And I can count them on 2 hands.
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Nefrin Maldoes
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Posted - 2006.09.23 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Fury When I first started back in Jan, someone was showing me the ropes one day. I'm sad to say I don't even remember this helpful persons name, but I have a feeling I met them on the noob channel.
Anyways.. After answering my 300 questions on my second day, he was just about to log off, and he said this.
"This is the last piece of advice I'll give you. Take it as you will, but it's THE most important thing you will ever learn in this game. Unlike in real life, people in eve are NOT to be trusted. They must EARN your trust. Earning trust takes time. Lots of it. Trust noone, and noone will rip you off. It's harsh, it's sad, but it'll save you from looseing a few months work. Eve is a wonderful game. But don't trust anyone."
And it's one thing I've lived by. It's kept me from being jumped in 0.0. It's let me keep my ship where friends have lost theirs. There are only a FEW people I trust in game. And I can count them on 2 hands.
well said
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Rehmes
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Posted - 2006.09.23 03:57:00 -
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sad but true
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.23 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Xeliya There was a rattlesnake poped a few months ago like this
I believe that was only a week or two ago, and it was lofty29 who did it.
He also killed a navy mega and macharial on the same day.
The gang and jetcan aggression systems are probably the biggest thing that has discouraged interaction with strangers in high sec. Few people understand them well enough to trust themselves with their own safety, and thus most avoid it.
--[23] Member--
Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Capt Harlock
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.23 04:09:00 -
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Man i've been really lucky i've met soo many trustworthy people in eve and people who have dignity and honour. In RL i haven't been so lucky and its funny but eve has helped me restore my faith in humanity. I will even name them Azmodaus, Mole guy, Wolf tamer, Wolf bane, Quicka, Howling, Havoc, Lyssandra, Zangief, Lazydog, Sonerier, Sphincter, Vallhalen, Scorps, and orion. Those are just a few off the top of my head during the time i've played eve that i have trusted and still do trust immensly. I've been lucky enough to be in some great corps with some great people
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Nerf Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.23 04:17:00 -
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IMHO, that isn't nessacarily a bad thing. If there's no element of risk, there's no fun in the game. If everyone can be trusted implicitly, what's the point in trust?
My corp was recently hit by 2 corp theives in a row. Am I happy? No. But what would have happened if this was WoW? They would have been reported and banned. It's beautiful that Eve allows us this freedom. Of course it's going to be abused, that's the fun in it. I think that the EIB Scam was one of the best things to ever happen in this game, and it's a perfect example of why I play this game. Freedom. Signature removed as the image is unsuitable. If you have any questions, please mail us on [email protected] and include a link to the image in question. -Ivan K |
Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.23 04:25:00 -
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What I especially find reprehensible are the folks that "target" players who are willing to help newbies.
Most suggested "cures" are worse than the problem, but its still a scummy (in NON-fun, NON-cool way) thing to do.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.23 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Brutor Shaun Perhaps it's just me, but when I started out (a year and a bit ago) if someone shouted for a mission loot collector, I was there!!
Tonight, I really couldn't be bothered collecting loot, so I did an invite in local. 105 pilots.....not one showed an interest. I even offered 'you scoop, you keep'! Nothing!
Has Eve really come to the point wher no-one trusts anyone unless they're sporting the same corp/alliance ticker?
When you say "Free loot", most people here:
"HERE FISHY FISHY"
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg |
Benglada
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.23 06:04:00 -
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I generally trust people iv known for a long time. ---------------------------
Originally by: Arkanor
0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.23 06:08:00 -
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Well before I wouldn't think twice about helping out people doing missions if I had time. I'd just hope into a suitable fitted faction bs ready to whoop some npc butt, nowdays I would never do that since you it might be just another trick to invite a wardecced gang whatever to get me popped.
So less trust indeed. Only just a handful amount of people I would trust without taking a big collateral.
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Estelle Matsuko
Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.23 06:11:00 -
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In RL we tell our kids..
Dont accept candy from strangers.
In EVE we tell our pilots...
DonŠt gang with someone you donŠt know and definately dont loot scoop stuff thats yellow.
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Nev Clavain
Wise Guys
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Posted - 2006.09.23 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Nev Clavain on 23/09/2006 06:17:59
Originally by: Brutor Shaun
Originally by: Baleorg
Originally by: lofty29 I take full responsibility
that makes you happy?
sad
I thought that, but didn't say anything. Perhaps that's just the way EvE is going now. As in RL, it's turned into 'who can you **** over, and for how much?' (Dentara Rast)
Hence, the lack of trust.
Well when one of the most effective in-game actions, when viewed from an advertising and PR perspective, was the Guiding Hand Social Club instance, this kind of behaviour is hardly a surprise.
Lets look at that, it involves infiltrating a corp, and deliberatley misleading and gaining the trust of its members for months and months, before using that trust to destroy it from the inside.
People were attracted to this game because it allows you to crap on other players in a whole multitude of ways whether that be using can-falggin mechanisms, non-consensual pvp, or systematically lying to them for months on end so you can steal their stuff.
From a marketing perspective, that is one of the factors that distinguishes EVE from other games. So in answer to your question - as time goes on, EVE will get nastier and nastier in my opinion. To call it 'sad' is to deny the essence of the game you are playing. It's not that I agree with this kind of behaviour myself, but I can accept it is part of the game we are all playing, and the game is made more interesting for that.
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Dannek
Llama F5 and Associates
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Posted - 2006.09.23 08:33:00 -
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I've been told by my corp-mates to trust absolutely no one and that I will be podded if there is an ISK of profit in it and sometimes even if there isn't.
There are so many scams with so little reasonable retribution that trusting a stranger seems actively suicidal.
The only person not in my corp that I've trusted so far is Innominable, but I fully anticipate him to spend the money I paid for 1 share to be spent on Crystal and Caviar. -------------------------------------------------------- Working towards my own personal Dreadnought, one ISK at a time. |
Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.23 08:39:00 -
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well the invite then invite war parties thing is just another trust destorying measure more peeps should use this the devs want to encourage griefing then lets support it
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Baleorg
Gallente Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.09.23 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari The gang and jetcan aggression systems are probably the biggest thing that has discouraged interaction with strangers in high sec. Few people understand them well enough to trust themselves with their own safety, and thus most avoid it.
hmmm, thought when in gang you can loot each others can? hm, or it wa sa coincidence that i set standing towards em blue, and the cans were all blue.. well no aggro timer i saw
no troubles here
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.23 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Baleorg
Originally by: Dark Shikari The gang and jetcan aggression systems are probably the biggest thing that has discouraged interaction with strangers in high sec. Few people understand them well enough to trust themselves with their own safety, and thus most avoid it.
hmmm, thought when in gang you can loot each others can? hm, or it wa sa coincidence that i set standing towards em blue, and the cans were all blue.. well no aggro timer i saw
no troubles here
CCP made some alterations
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Baleorg
Gallente Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.09.23 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nev Clavain Edited by: Nev Clavain on 23/09/2006 06:17:59
Originally by: Brutor Shaun
Originally by: Baleorg
Originally by: lofty29 I take full responsibility
that makes you happy?
sad
I thought that, but didn't say anything. Perhaps that's just the way EvE is going now. As in RL, it's turned into 'who can you **** over, and for how much?' (Dentara Rast)
Hence, the lack of trust.
From a marketing perspective, that is one of the factors that distinguishes EVE from other games. So in answer to your question - as time goes on, EVE will get nastier and nastier in my opinion. To call it 'sad' is to deny the essence of the game you are playing. It's not that I agree with this kind of behaviour myself, but I can accept it is part of the game we are all playing, and the game is made more interesting for that.
well, its just sad. i mean.. i like eve.. really, because of the possibilities too.
no usual "trammel" stuff (ultima online players understand), no "safe" thing, killing= loot, its nice.. not like wow
sure. i "dont like it" when i pop after a longer shopping spree and on the way home, but hey i dont cry about it.
the sad part is abotu lofty who uses "loopholes". ok the warring thign okk, its a way.. but using an "exploit" even if its not called exploit (yet) to get some poor souls into a gang withtout a warning is not nice.
no pity for ppl who cant read "warring gang" but, sad for using a loophole to have "non warring gang" and suddenly its warring and you boom
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Baleorg
Gallente Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2006.09.23 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
Originally by: Baleorg
Originally by: Dark Shikari The gang and jetcan aggression systems are probably the biggest thing that has discouraged interaction with strangers in high sec. Few people understand them well enough to trust themselves with their own safety, and thus most avoid it.
hmmm, thought when in gang you can loot each others can? hm, or it wa sa coincidence that i set standing towards em blue, and the cans were all blue.. well no aggro timer i saw
no troubles here
CCP made some alterations
when? had no trouble few weeks ago
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BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner |
Kessa Nova
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Posted - 2006.09.23 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Plymer Ization Well, considering the can-flagging-shooty-shooty element that has been introduced between the time when you (and I) started playing, I think people have become a little more aprehensive about trusting 'generous' strangers. Although there was one time a few months ago while running a mission and not bothering to pick up the cans, someone was polite enough to ask me if he could have my loot. Being a nice person, I said yes and paid no heed to the blinky-red when I saw him at the gate...
Well, when can flagging was proposed I said this would be the result. All I heard then was "you just want to protect ore thieves you ebil griefer!!".
Now they have their can flagging, and are moaning that the warnings came true.
This is why game balance should not be left in the hands of whiney carebears. They can't see beyond their own self-interest.
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Benco97
Gallente On Ravens Wings
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Posted - 2006.09.23 10:47:00 -
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I recently had this problem, I was doing a little relaxing mining not relaly paying any attention and I filled up the can and I couldn't be bothered to haul it so I made an announcment in local, I said "anyone who wants a can full of plag can have it, I can't be bothered to haul and i'm logging off" I came back a hour later in time to see the can pop.
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FFGR
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.23 11:32:00 -
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Trust is a weaknessÖ tbh _____________________________
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.09.23 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The gang and jetcan aggression systems are probably the biggest thing that has discouraged interaction with strangers in high sec. Few people understand them well enough to trust themselves with their own safety, and thus most avoid it.
I would go a step further and say that ppl simply can do math. If you risk less then 100k for a ship and mods while you have the chance to make 30M with a local hull it's worth it.
Collecting loot (or nicking it) was way to easy compared to the possible reward. EVE is not easy and that's why so many players stick with it for years.
-- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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