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Tyris Maelstrom
Minmatar 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.09.19 02:04:00 -
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I'm in the process of skilling up into Minmater BS, i've got BC skill already. I'm wondering which would be a better ship for level 3 missions, i'm now able to get them in good quality so would like to move to them. Appreciate any help on the subject, thnx.
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Guurzak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.19 02:06:00 -
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Typhoon has a better tank, Cyclone will probably kill faster due to medium weapons vs lots of frigates. If your shield tanking skills are up to the challenge, the Cyclone is probably a better (and much cheaper) bet.
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:01:00 -
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Cyclone, much more efficient at killing frigs/cruisers, faster to loot in, and has a mean tank once you get your skills/set-up right.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:12:00 -
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Muninn!
But ok, Cyclone.
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Arron S
Gallente Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:16:00 -
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Typhoon. depending on the mission. it can get threw the lvl3 missions ALOT faster then a Battlecruiser. Just have a pile of light or medium drones to deal with figates. Light drone rip frigates to prices.
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StealthRavenx
Caldari The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:23:00 -
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Cyclone, With reasonable skills, will tank ANY lvl 3 Mission, and to me, kills Frigs and cruisers way faster than the Tyhoon. And for the Certain things like Spider Drones, have 4 t2 Medium Drones. Works every time. I Myself use the Cyclone, and Knocked out 2 Angel Extravs in about an Hour and a Half
Mission and Ship lvls Should be as follows LvL 1: Frigate LvL 2: Cruiser LvL 3: Battlecruiser LvL 4: Battleship and other Ships like Command Ships.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: StealthRavenx Cyclone, With reasonable skills, will tank ANY lvl 3 Mission, and to me, kills Frigs and cruisers way faster than the Tyhoon. And for the Certain things like Spider Drones, have 4 t2 Medium Drones. Works every time. I Myself use the Cyclone, and Knocked out 2 Angel Extravs in about an Hour and a Half
Mission and Ship lvls Should be as follows LvL 1: Frigate LvL 2: Cruiser LvL 3: Battlecruiser LvL 4: Battleship and other Ships like Command Ships.
You should add HAC's to lvl 3 as well. They are way faster than the battlecruisers.
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:40:00 -
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1 Thing you need to keep in mind about the L3 mission running cyclone is, ease up on the tank.
I see people using 4, or sometimes even 5 midslots for their medtank, and it's just unneeded. 2 hardeners and a med booster II can see you home safely most of the times. Leave the other 2 slots for an AB and paint/web. It will make it much faster.
It only needs warp outs in downing the slavers 2 to 2, and MHH , and no amount of tank will give you staying power for those missions.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro
It only needs warp outs in downing the slavers 2 to 2, and MHH , and no amount of tank will give you staying power for those missions.
I can do it with the Muninn with no warpouts and a single shield extender. The em/thermal resists on the ship is very high. :)
Damn, I keep posting about Muninn in every thread... not good. Have to keep the prices down...
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Damn, I keep posting about Muninn in every thread... not good. Have to keep the prices down...
Don't know the ship, but I really like its naming, along with Huginn.. thought and memory..
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:40:00 -
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Let's see:
Cyclone: -------- High: 5 med guns, 3 heavy missiles Med: afterburner, adequate shield tank for level 3s Low: power diagnostics (more shield tank) Drones: 4 med drones Base Speed: 165 m/s velocity. Cost: 20-25M
Typhoon: -------- High: 4 med (!!) guns, 4 cruise missiles Med: AB, one or two target painters, webifier Low: armor tank well beyond the need of any level 3 Drones: 5 heavy drones + 5 med drones Base Speed: 150 m/s Cost: 60-70M
The combination of target painters with cruise missiles will kill cruisers fast, and even interceptors - if a bit slowly.
Webify them, put 220mm Vulcans on your phoon if you want (but I'd personally probably go for Arties), and they're dead.
And that's while your 5 med drones chew up the other interceptor just as quickly.
It all depends a little on money and skills - Cyclones are a bit easier to skill, but I'd say sacrifice a low slot on the Typhoon for a Nanofiber and it'll probably be *faster* than the Cyclone, and you're far less likely to get into a tricky situation.
I still like to do level 3s in my Cyclone sometimes. It's a good ship. --
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:54:00 -
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You sell the cyclone a bit short imo, when you can have an adequate tank for L3's, AND a painter + ab in mids, and still fit 2 gyros in low's
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Swamp Ziro
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Swamp Ziro on 19/09/2006 14:54:48 Gah=/ My bad.
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Horza Otho
Minmatar Silver Star Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.19 16:01:00 -
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Typhoon with: 4x hml 4x medium guns (because u aint fighten BS's) 1x ab t2 1x web 2x tp's (for drones) 1x large rep 2x hards 4x nanofiber 5x large drones
just speed kill the mission :p
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Cirale
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.09.19 23:33:00 -
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really you should choose the one that fits what tanking skills you have trained already. if you have armor tanking skills trained already, go for the phoon. its more like a big tough BC than a BS anyways. I use this layout for fast, multiple target killing.
high: 4x 425 AC (yes med guns) 4x heavy launchers mid: AB, web, painter, tracking comp low: LAR, 2x eamn, 2x bcu, 2x gyro drones: 5 heavy, 5 med
fit t2 as you can of course, you can do the whole rig with it no problem, and its quite effective. theres nothing like dropping 3 targets at the same time with guns/missiles/drones
if you really want to have no worries you can drop a bcu and a gyro and stick 2 1600mm plates on there, or one plate and another repper.....
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Shandling
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Posted - 2006.09.19 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: StealthRavenx Cyclone, With reasonable skills, will tank ANY lvl 3 Mission, and to me, kills Frigs and cruisers way faster than the Tyhoon. And for the Certain things like Spider Drones, have 4 t2 Medium Drones. Works every time. I Myself use the Cyclone, and Knocked out 2 Angel Extravs in about an Hour and a Half
Mission and Ship lvls Should be as follows LvL 1: Frigate LvL 2: Cruiser LvL 3: Battlecruiser LvL 4: Battleship and other Ships like Command Ships.
My experience:
Level 1: Frigate Level 2: Cruiser/Frigate (Yes, done every single L2 in a Rifter) Level 3: BC/HAC/Assault Frigate (Yes, done every L3 mission w/o warping out in a Jag, including Angel Extravaganza) Level 4: BS/HAC (with good skills)/Command Ship
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.09.21 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro You sell the cyclone a bit short imo, when you can have an adequate tank for L3's, AND a painter + ab in mids, and still fit 2 gyros in low's
Huh. There's a couple level 3s that will tax the Cyclone's shield tank.
I upgraded my shield tanking skills enough to be able to passive shield tank some Level 4s in a Raven, and "Downing the Slavers (2 of 2)" Level 3 will be hard in a Cyclone unless you use proper targetting order.
I managed it, but I had drones out and was shooting down destroyers almost before dropping out of warp). Now imagine that with modest shield tank skills and no clue what you're warping in to.
And while I haven't actually tried the "The Uprising" series in a Cyclone, it broke my level 4 Typhoon tank because I wasn't paying attention.
I'm just saying be careful in some of the harder level 3s with a Cyclone.
I like the idea of a Typhoon with 4 Nanofibers in Low above. --
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