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Interfectorem Tacet
ZigZag Operations and Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:03:49 -
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Just come back after a while away and been doing some explo to get my eye back into the eve mechanics etc.
I like minmatar and was really happy when the rebalances started to bring the other races up to par with them for a lot of the ship classes but reading the forums etc and checking out Eve HQ fitter it seems that the minnies are in a very lac luster place at the moment.
Given that most of / if not all roles seem to be able to be done better by other races is there still people who go out and specialise in minnie? Even though they seem to be very much the underdog once again (I used to love flying them when they were the 'weakest' of races)
And what would be the 'go to' minnie ships for various uses around new eden? |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
806
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:53:11 -
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Logi/ Recon/ Ceptors/ Hic/ Dic/ Blop/ Marauder/ SB/ AF/ EAS/ CS... Are all in really strong places
There are also a lot of other ships (cruisers, frigs, BS, Navy etc) that can still hold their own.
main difference now is that others are actually worth looking at too
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Chessur
Mining Industry Exile Foundation The Camel Empire
424
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Posted - 2014.12.22 16:54:54 -
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Minmitar ships are good in some cases. However the large majority of their ships use small-medium AC's. AC's at the moment are complete ****. That is what is really holding them back. That being said- Minny have many strong choices:
Scythe Fleet Issue Breacher Hound Stiletto Hyena *** Super OP Rapier / Hugin** Amazing Tornado Nano Phoon Machariel Sliep Arty Wolf
Those would have to be my favorite minny picks |
Interfectorem Tacet
ZigZag Operations and Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2014.12.23 00:19:57 -
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yeah I have noticed that other weapons systems seem to be more powerful than small/medium AC and Arties are such a ***** to fit.
Would it be so unbalanced to drop the fitting of arties a tad?
Ah well back to minnie being eve on hard mode |
Adam Zalonis
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.23 00:52:10 -
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Both of their T1 destroyers are very fun to fly, and have fleet doctrines built around them when fit with long range weapons. |
Norwood Franskly
Well Grubbed Old Mole
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Posted - 2014.12.23 13:39:59 -
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I've just come back to Eve myself - Sleipnir looks pretty sweet to me at the moment. I love it now has the same bonus to gang links as the claymore-not sold on claymore being a missile boat now it just seems underwhelming.
I used to love flying a vagabond it seems to have been nerfed pretty heavily. I've heard ishtars are in vogue now, that was my other HAC of choice so no great loss for me.
Back when I did gang pvp it felt like I was always welded into the seat of my sabre or Scimitar - those were the only two ships the FC would ever want me to bring I imagine they will still be welcome additions to any small gang.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.12.23 15:31:30 -
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Norwood Franskly wrote:I've just come back to Eve myself - Sleipnir looks pretty sweet to me at the moment. I love it now has the same bonus to gang links as the claymore-not sold on claymore being a missile boat now it just seems underwhelming. Don't write off the Claymore so quickly. HAMs are actually pretty effective for kiting. Heavies are totally borked though.
Norwood Franskly wrote:I used to love flying a vagabond it seems to have been nerfed pretty heavily. I've heard ishtars are in vogue now, that was my other HAC of choice so no great loss for me. It's not so much that the Vagabond got nerfed so much as the Ishtar can do the Vagabond's job better than the Vagabond can. And the Eagle. And the Muninn. And the Zealot.
See where I'm going with that?
Norwood Franskly wrote:Back when I did gang pvp it felt like I was always welded into the seat of my sabre or Scimitar - those were the only two ships the FC would ever want me to bring I imagine they will still be welcome additions to any small gang. Yes. Sabres are still wildly popular as are Scimitars.
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Rose Roses
Artificial Memories Vertical.
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Posted - 2014.12.23 16:51:33 -
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CS and Typhoon/Mach are wonderful.
Just pretend medium ACs don't exist and minmatar looks pretty decent again. |
Boozbaz
Dhalion Industries
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Posted - 2014.12.23 17:47:57 -
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Interfectorem Tacet wrote:yeah I have noticed that other weapons systems seem to be more powerful than small/medium AC and Arties are such a ***** to fit. Would it be so unbalanced to drop the fitting of arties a tad? Ah well back to minnie being eve on hard mode
What's wrong with autocannons now? |
Jon Joringer
Zero-K
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Posted - 2014.12.23 17:54:07 -
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I'll put it this way, it's hard to sincerely recommend a medium auto-cannon boat. That said, there are some that still perform well and there are others that use missiles instead.
I don't have any big issues with the Minnie frigate class though. |
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Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
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Posted - 2014.12.23 18:16:58 -
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Nerf to TE and a buff to other medium weapons, especially medium railguns. |
Interfectorem Tacet
ZigZag Operations and Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2014.12.23 18:55:36 -
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Boozbaz wrote:
What's wrong with autocannons now?
I'm only recently back but it looks to me that AC are almost out performed in pretty much every way by blasters and pulse lasers in the small medium categories.
And with minnie ships in general not being as speedy/agile v the other races as much as they were you cannot capitolise on the AC benefits of capless selectable damage as the other races can catch you fairly easily and just out damage you.
But like I said I'm just recently back so haven't been out and pvp'd yet. Once I get into it I might find it not so doom and gloom |
Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.12.24 06:59:38 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote: It's not so much that the Vagabond got nerfed so much as the Ishtar can do the Vagabond's job better than the Vagabond can. And the Eagle. And the Muninn. And the Zealot.
See where I'm going with that?
It took a hit to agility, falloff and I think grid.
it's pretty much an active tanking scram bruiser that "can" project in event you actually come across something faster or a blaster boat.
also the Ruppy and Cane got completely screwed. theyre essentially old school armor buffer blaster boats with out the face melting DPS or comparable tank and cap. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.12.24 08:16:58 -
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Boozbaz wrote:What's wrong with autocannons now?
I've been looking at minny frigs lately and my main conclusion seems to be I'd rather fly gallente or caldari. haven't really looked at amarr frigs much, but seems like there are some interesting choices there too. the 3 low 3 mid is what made the rifter the best for so long, players could pretty much do whatever they wanted with it. but now that seems not so great, as most other ships can fit a 3/4 or 4/3 layout.
the slasher seems fun, but it is pretty much a t1 interceptor. seems a bit fragile.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Yaro
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.24 11:04:22 -
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They have best Lvl4 mission ship called Machariel. It's amazing.
Other ships are good also. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
747
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Posted - 2014.12.24 11:05:53 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Boozbaz wrote:What's wrong with autocannons now? I've been looking at minny frigs lately and my main conclusion seems to be I'd rather fly gallente or caldari. haven't really looked at amarr frigs much, but seems like there are some interesting choices there too. the 3 low 3 mid is what made the rifter the best for so long, players could pretty much do whatever they wanted with it. but now that seems not so great, as most other ships can fit a 3/4 or 4/3 layout. the slasher seems fun, but it is pretty much a t1 interceptor. seems a bit fragile.
Slasher is actually really good. One of my favourite T1 frigs. The really good speed, 4 mids and excellent cap is what makes it good. For lowsec I use an ab/scram/web/td + AAR + neut fit. You can scram kite at 8km with a range script or do a tight orbit with a tracking speed script while neuting them out. The cap is really good so you can run the neut for extended periods. The tank is light and you need to be quick to get under/away from certain enemies but once you get used to flying it it's really good. I've killed Comets, Slicers and Firetails with the good ol Slasher. |
Gregor Parud
817
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Posted - 2014.12.24 11:32:14 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Boozbaz wrote:What's wrong with autocannons now? I've been looking at minny frigs lately and my main conclusion seems to be I'd rather fly gallente or caldari. haven't really looked at amarr frigs much, but seems like there are some interesting choices there too. the 3 low 3 mid is what made the rifter the best for so long, players could pretty much do whatever they wanted with it. but now that seems not so great, as most other ships can fit a 3/4 or 4/3 layout. the slasher seems fun, but it is pretty much a t1 interceptor. seems a bit fragile. Slasher is actually really good. One of my favourite T1 frigs. The really good speed, 4 mids and excellent cap is what makes it good. For lowsec I use an ab/scram/web/td + AAR + neut fit. You can scram kite at 8km with a range script or do a tight orbit with a tracking speed script while neuting them out. The cap is really good so you can run the neut for extended periods. The tank is light and you need to be quick to get under/away from certain enemies but once you get used to flying it it's really good. I've killed Comets, Slicers and Firetails with the good ol Slasher.
Bingo, stop using the Rifter.
Slasher also works in an anti-kite fit; dual prop, bunch of speed mods, MSE, scram. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
748
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:06:54 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Boozbaz wrote:What's wrong with autocannons now? I've been looking at minny frigs lately and my main conclusion seems to be I'd rather fly gallente or caldari. haven't really looked at amarr frigs much, but seems like there are some interesting choices there too. the 3 low 3 mid is what made the rifter the best for so long, players could pretty much do whatever they wanted with it. but now that seems not so great, as most other ships can fit a 3/4 or 4/3 layout. the slasher seems fun, but it is pretty much a t1 interceptor. seems a bit fragile. Slasher is actually really good. One of my favourite T1 frigs. The really good speed, 4 mids and excellent cap is what makes it good. For lowsec I use an ab/scram/web/td + AAR + neut fit. You can scram kite at 8km with a range script or do a tight orbit with a tracking speed script while neuting them out. The cap is really good so you can run the neut for extended periods. The tank is light and you need to be quick to get under/away from certain enemies but once you get used to flying it it's really good. I've killed Comets, Slicers and Firetails with the good ol Slasher. Bingo, stop using the Rifter. Slasher also works in an anti-kite fit; dual prop, bunch of speed mods, MSE, scram.
The Ab/scram/web/td fit also beats Slicers even without a MWD, you can TD the Slicers optimal down to a point where they have 2 choices: Run away or kite at around 14km where they can actually hit at which point it's extremely easy to slingshot them and hit em with an overheated web.
You'll need the dual prop fit for things like Garmurs/Condors and other non-turret based kiters though. |
Norwood Franskly
Well Grubbed Old Mole
2
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:50:11 -
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Tusker Crazinski wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote: It's not so much that the Vagabond got nerfed so much as the Ishtar can do the Vagabond's job better than the Vagabond can. And the Eagle. And the Muninn. And the Zealot.
See where I'm going with that?
It took a hit to agility, falloff and I think grid. it's pretty much an active tanking scram bruiser that "can" project in event you actually come across something faster or a blaster boat. also the Ruppy and Cane got completely screwed. theyre essentially old school armor buffer blaster boats with out the face melting DPS or comparable tank and cap.
I saw in game Vaga now has a bonus to active tanking, similar to Sleipnir, which just seems weird to me. I always viewed vaga as fit barrage and kite peoples dps type of ship use the absurd speed to dictate the range and run from anything that you can't gank. I guess with a shield tank you can fit a close range scram and use EMP or even Hail but I don't feel it's the kind of ship you ever want to get webbed in so just seems like a weird bonus. |
Gregor Parud
817
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Posted - 2014.12.24 12:55:45 -
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Norwood Franskly wrote:Tusker Crazinski wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote: It's not so much that the Vagabond got nerfed so much as the Ishtar can do the Vagabond's job better than the Vagabond can. And the Eagle. And the Muninn. And the Zealot.
See where I'm going with that?
It took a hit to agility, falloff and I think grid. it's pretty much an active tanking scram bruiser that "can" project in event you actually come across something faster or a blaster boat. also the Ruppy and Cane got completely screwed. theyre essentially old school armor buffer blaster boats with out the face melting DPS or comparable tank and cap. I saw in game Vaga now has a bonus to active tanking, similar to Sleipnir, which just seems weird to me. I always viewed vaga as fit barrage and kite peoples dps type of ship use the absurd speed to dictate the range and run from anything that you can't gank. I guess with a shield tank you can fit a close range scram and use EMP or even Hail but I don't feel it's the kind of ship you ever want to get webbed in so just seems like a weird bonus.
ASB
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Norwood Franskly
Well Grubbed Old Mole
2
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:09:37 -
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So how would you fly it nowadays, Is it still load up barrage and pulse mwd to maintain 17-20kmish orbit or do you use EMP and short range point? |
Gregor Parud
817
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Posted - 2014.12.24 13:47:28 -
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Norwood Franskly wrote:So how would you fly it nowadays, Is it still load up barrage and pulse mwd to maintain 17-20kmish orbit or do you use EMP and short range point?
Same as before, you kite. Just replace the old LSE with ASB. done. |
Chessur
Mining Industry Exile Foundation The Camel Empire
426
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Posted - 2014.12.24 14:43:50 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Boozbaz wrote:What's wrong with autocannons now? I've been looking at minny frigs lately and my main conclusion seems to be I'd rather fly gallente or caldari. haven't really looked at amarr frigs much, but seems like there are some interesting choices there too. the 3 low 3 mid is what made the rifter the best for so long, players could pretty much do whatever they wanted with it. but now that seems not so great, as most other ships can fit a 3/4 or 4/3 layout. the slasher seems fun, but it is pretty much a t1 interceptor. seems a bit fragile. Slasher is actually really good. One of my favourite T1 frigs. The really good speed, 4 mids and excellent cap is what makes it good. For lowsec I use an ab/scram/web/td + AAR + neut fit. You can scram kite at 8km with a range script or do a tight orbit with a tracking speed script while neuting them out. The cap is really good so you can run the neut for extended periods. The tank is light and you need to be quick to get under/away from certain enemies but once you get used to flying it it's really good. I've killed Comets, Slicers and Firetails with the good ol Slasher. Bingo, stop using the Rifter. Slasher also works in an anti-kite fit; dual prop, bunch of speed mods, MSE, scram. The Ab/scram/web/td fit also beats Slicers even without a MWD, you can TD the Slicers optimal down to a point where they have 2 choices: Run away or kite at around 14km where they can actually hit at which point it's extremely easy to slingshot them and hit em with an overheated web. You'll need the dual prop fit for things like Garmurs/Condors and other non-turret based kiters though.
I have killed slashers such as this. Its annoying, but there is no risk. An AB frigate is ****. MWD frig that can win, is an automatic win vs an AB. |
Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
7
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Posted - 2014.12.25 02:14:09 -
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Norwood Franskly wrote:Tusker Crazinski wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote: It's not so much that the Vagabond got nerfed so much as the Ishtar can do the Vagabond's job better than the Vagabond can. And the Eagle. And the Muninn. And the Zealot.
See where I'm going with that?
It took a hit to agility, falloff and I think grid. it's pretty much an active tanking scram bruiser that "can" project in event you actually come across something faster or a blaster boat. also the Ruppy and Cane got completely screwed. theyre essentially old school armor buffer blaster boats with out the face melting DPS or comparable tank and cap. I saw in game Vaga now has a bonus to active tanking, similar to Sleipnir, which just seems weird to me. I always viewed vaga as fit barrage and kite peoples dps type of ship use the absurd speed to dictate the range and run from anything that you can't gank. I guess with a shield tank you can fit a close range scram and use EMP or even Hail but I don't feel it's the kind of ship you ever want to get webbed in so just seems like a weird bonus.
dual prop it, Unless you're dual webbed you can still spin medium guns. No sig **** from MWD or Shield buffer and it'll go 500-600 m/s under a web. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
840
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Posted - 2014.12.25 08:27:14 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Boozbaz wrote:What's wrong with autocannons now? I've been looking at minny frigs lately and my main conclusion seems to be I'd rather fly gallente or caldari. haven't really looked at amarr frigs much, but seems like there are some interesting choices there too. the 3 low 3 mid is what made the rifter the best for so long, players could pretty much do whatever they wanted with it. but now that seems not so great, as most other ships can fit a 3/4 or 4/3 layout. the slasher seems fun, but it is pretty much a t1 interceptor. seems a bit fragile. Slasher is actually really good. One of my favourite T1 frigs. The really good speed, 4 mids and excellent cap is what makes it good. For lowsec I use an ab/scram/web/td + AAR + neut fit. You can scram kite at 8km with a range script or do a tight orbit with a tracking speed script while neuting them out. The cap is really good so you can run the neut for extended periods. The tank is light and you need to be quick to get under/away from certain enemies but once you get used to flying it it's really good. I've killed Comets, Slicers and Firetails with the good ol Slasher.
yea the slasher seems like the best, its just I think I've been looking at the navy/pirate frigs a bit too much to appreciate a t1 frig's stats. I've had some success with the ship, need to get out and fly it more!
Chessur wrote:I have killed slashers such as this. Its annoying, but there is no risk. An AB frigate is ****. MWD frig that can win, is an automatic win vs an AB.
I imagine that "annoying" to you is death for a lot of people
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Diesel47
Deep Dark Fantasy.
1081
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Posted - 2014.12.26 08:00:04 -
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No wonder I tottaly blow.
Came back after a year and tried flying my old fits.... Wtf. |
Nodire Hermetz
shadow and cloaking Mordus Angels
3
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Posted - 2014.12.26 12:10:19 -
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vaga can be marginally "good" in some case , only because he still the fastest cruiser in the game but in HAC level , the Ishtar outperform EVERY ship so its another topic....
but like any thread about autocanon , minmatar ship , projectile wapon , everyone came with the same conclusion
1 : autocanon suffer too much by the recent TE nerf , they can't project well and does pathetic dps even on bonused hull 2 : minmatar ships still fast , but the have been ninja nerf in agility , so more ship can easily slingshoot them 3 : artillery still too hard to fit without sacrificing the entire ship , its not a viable weapon to use instead of autocanon
there is a lot discussion/thread opened about it , i can't believe taht CCP didn't see it... |
Tusker Crazinski
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
7
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Posted - 2014.12.27 03:05:12 -
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Nodire Hermetz wrote:vaga can be marginally "good" in some case , only because he still the fastest cruiser in the game but in HAC level , the Ishtar outperform EVERY ship so its another topic....
but like any thread about autocanon , minmatar ship , projectile wapon , everyone came with the same conclusion
1 : autocanon suffer too much by the recent TE nerf , they can't project well and does pathetic dps even on bonused hull 2 : minmatar ships still fast , but they have been ninja nerf in agility , so more ship can easily slingshoot them 3 : artillery still too hard to fit without sacrificing the entire ship , its not a viable weapon to use instead of autocanon
to resume : minmatar ships are fast but not agile , doesn't have a good tank(except sleipnir and vargur) and doesn't project dps well and does anemic dps playing minmatar are the "hardcore" level XD
there is a lot discussion/thread opened about it , i can't believe that CCP didn't see it...
1- Yes they did. 2- NEVER USE THE ORBIT BUTTON.... You have to manual pilot minni ships. But yeah the Agility nerf ****** these ships. 3- Yup. Lowest DPS, worst tracking weapon also demands the most PG on ships with generally weak PGs |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
227
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Posted - 2014.12.29 20:12:39 -
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Before the "rebalancing" Minmatar used to specialize in PvP. They were absolute bottom of the barrel in almost every category except speed but due to falloff mechanics ruled at solo PvP.
Minmatar ships back then had the lowest dps, worst tank, required the most skill points to fly etc... Because of all of this they were the solo PvP kings but were sub par in almost every other situation.
So then they "rebalanced" the ships because some people were whining that they did not want to have to train "winmatar" to be able to PvP. I don't PvP but from what I hear and what I've read it seems that PvP is fairly well balanced between the races atm which I read as homogenized or all the same with no flavor.
So with PvP now balanced nothing was really done to boost the Minmatar ships in PvE. I can think of no PvE situation where there is not a ship of a different race that will do it better than the best Minmatar ship for the job. Granted they are not terrible they just are not great either. I think that so many people have used the Machariel as an example of how Minmatar ships are still great should tell you something. When you need to go to a pirate faction ship to even compete with the other main races you know something is wrong. |
Diesel47
Deep Dark Fantasy.
1082
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Posted - 2014.12.31 12:00:52 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Before the "rebalancing" Minmatar used to specialize in PvP. They were absolute bottom of the barrel in almost every category except speed but due to falloff mechanics ruled at solo PvP.
Minmatar ships back then had the lowest dps, worst tank, required the most skill points to fly etc... Because of all of this they were the solo PvP kings but were sub par in almost every other situation.
So then they "rebalanced" the ships because some people were whining that they did not want to have to train "winmatar" to be able to PvP. I don't PvP but from what I hear and what I've read it seems that PvP is fairly well balanced between the races atm which I read as homogenized or all the same with no flavor.
So with PvP now balanced nothing was really done to boost the Minmatar ships in PvE. I can think of no PvE situation where there is not a ship of a different race that will do it better than the best Minmatar ship for the job. Granted they are not terrible they just are not great either. I think that so many people have used the Machariel as an example of how Minmatar ships are still great should tell you something. When you need to go to a pirate faction ship to even compete with the other main races you know something is wrong.
It is more balanced than before...
Doesn't mean it is balanced though. |
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