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Xplained The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:09:00 - [571] - Quote SIGNED!!! C'mon CCP, im giving you 3 months to sort this mess out, then im looking for another game, i pay to play, not to be lagged out, it aint funny no more.
Saikull IV	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:16:00 - [572] - Quote Signed.. But i doubt ccp will take any notice.. perhaps we should fill in petitions instead with the title of this thread.. CCP we dont need new content, we need less lag!
PeveS Chosen Path	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:32:00 - [573] - Quote Signed
Arch Templar	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:46:00 - [574] - Quote /signed!
Awestruck	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:02:00 - [575] - Quote -Signed
Shirley Koch	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:56:00 - [576] - Quote Originally by: Goddance /signed again Getting really bad. How do you survive waiting for a gate in low sec? I waited 5 minutes for a gate in high sec and thought I'd lose my mind. And that was from an empty system to another empty system. Guess low sec is out of the question now. Besides, a fleet battle or gate camp for me would be a flash and "...so you have died..." due to the lag. How do you survive out there? I mean i wouldn't be able to even sit at a gate. If I did I just lag out the minute someone warped in. This morning, I just can't believe the lag. What ever happened last night to the server has done some serious damage imo Really just disappointed in the game. It takes me so long to learn a game, that I'd hate to have to find another one and start all over. you just die in low sec (yesterday duo was out of gate and ship did nothing jsut had to wait till it uncloacks and i got pwn by nother player who had no probs)
Pierre Jacquemein	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:27:00 - [577] - Quote I am new to Eve; a friend and I were talking about the MMO's we liked and he mentioned Eve-Online. I didn't give it another thought for several months, but then I got bored with the MMO I was playing (Guild Wars) and nothing else looked interesting (WoW = teh suck), so I figured, "What the heck. I'll try Eve. I'll play it until something better comes along." And what do you know: I decided that I really liked Eve, it offered enough content to keep me busy for several years, and at the rate things were going according to the dev blogs and such, there was more content on the way. But no matter how fun a game is, no matter how much depth there is, if it is unplayable I will not waste my time or money on it. Even in the short time I have been playing, I have noticed a severe increase in lag. I lost a Thorax and got podded because of lag (that may not be a big deal to most of you, but I've been playing for a little over a month so my Thorax, its mods, and a Memory Implant represents a large time investment). I will not continue paying $15 a month to have a game that I cannot play on the weekends. I'm not giving up on Eve yet. But I have started looking for another game to play. If Eve is still lagging and I am still getting frozen in space for up to 10 minutes at a time in an almost barren system, I am taking my measely $15 a month to a more deserving company. Please, CCP, don't let it come to this.
Phoenixhawk Caldari Farscape Mining	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:21:00 - [578] - Quote Took some time off, had a hour to kill, lets see if anything has been done to make eve playable i think to myself, 10 mins in que to log in as number one in que, i think to myself, man the system must have became loaded since i've been on break.....hit the station there are all of count'em THREE!!! in system counting myself!!! Open the Char Sheet to check/change skills, 2 min load time, Assets 4mins and then i closed it giving up on it. what the heck, i'll undock head a couple jumps over and see whats going on. Undocking took seven minutes, couple ques on the way over to where i was going, those i didnt time, but i would say 3 to 5 a stargate. dockup there, 1min 38seconds to load my item hanger, only 45seconds or so for opening my ship hanger, corp hanger FORGETABOUTIT! after 10mins I said screw it, I'll surf the forums and see whats going on, looks like more of the same. and like a couple of the guys in here from pre-shiva said, CCP has taken this that and the other AWAY (ie something we HAD was REMOVED) in promises if decreased lag, and better gameplay. Yes it is possible that the player increases have overpowered any and all decreases Ccp has made, but to be honest i doubt it. they have made little in the way of decreases, and after every time, we might see a slight decrease, which seems to disapper within the same week, and i know the player base is not increasing that rapidly, i've been around to remember the 5k, 8k, 10k, 15k, 20k, 25k, and 30k barriers being broken, and each of them took quite some time. before the next one. nobody i talk to saw any lag decrease when we lost our drones. yes anyone from back in the day could tell you, you could see a lag start anytime a vexor or dommie lauched its fleet of drones, but it wasnt the whole system, it was that space around the ships that saw it, mostly in the client i belive. Coldwar brought the start of the end of playablity. We got to EXPECT the hanger lag and etc. after that, and its steady got worse, not better since. and our standards have dropped as we got used to each new and painful patch. and it looks as CCP's standards have dropped as well along with it. See ya after my next vacation. Stay Chilly & Watch Your Six! Space Vampire
Suma tataki	Posted - 2006.10.25 11:19:00 - [579] - Quote I have noticed some serious problems alate but these are still exciting times ahead.
Valasaria	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:07:00 - [580] - Quote Originally by: Suma tataki I have noticed some serious problems alate but these are still exciting times ahead. If you talking about the new additions to the game, I took a quick look over in the test server to see some of the new content, and tbh, really, I'm not all that impressed. Sorry to say that, but I'm not. So far its been a lot of build up and not much "bang" if you know what I'm talking about. The lack luster additional content (so far), coupled with the massive amounts of pain the community has had to endure to get it implemented has left me very dis-illusioned in CCP and where they're going with tthe whole project that is Eve. Again, sorry to say that, but this looks like the thread for voiceing these opinions. Anyway, I hope they pull some amazing fixes and implement some jaw dropping additions on the 1st or I'm outta here. Good luck peps!

Zion Zan'threxian	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:39:00 - [581] - Quote Yeah I've been having to get reimbursments for months now, a ferox, 2 domis, and now my raven... As embarrassed as I am to say, I LOST MY RAVEN ON A LVL 2 MISSION. I had like 3/4 shields left, and was warping back to the agent (mission was complete) and what happens? it doesn't warp, oh it SAYS it's warping, I can't even hit ctrl-space cos "I'm in warp" so what do I do? I sit and watch the raven I really can't afford to replace at this point (if I did I'd have no insurance money to REFUND when they decide to finally take a look at my petition) I'm sick a damn well tired of having to deal with the waiting for reimbursment ok lag kills? Fine then you have 3 choices CCP, get more GMs and deal with petitionts in a more timely manner, FIX THESE BUGS, or reimburse me for the time I have to sit without being able to spend my isk so I can be sure to get my ship back (I could just buy one but then all the modules wouldn't be replaced and that's a big loss) I'm seriously thinking after almost 3 years of moving to another game. CCP do something NOW or I'm out.
Mokrar	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:16:00 - [582] - Quote /signed unplayable
Minith Jin Amarr Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:07:00 - [583] - Quote I used to have huge problems with this, recently I got a new wireless router and card and ISP (wasn't just for eve, was moving house) and now it seems to be working pretty well, still the odd disconnect and bit of lag, but nothing too much. Although I'd note I'm in 0.0 atm, and when I was in empire yesterday I had a huge lag spike killing a caracal, thankfully didn't crash though. ------- Killing innocents since Jan 06
Wolfgang Paco Cloak and Daggers	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:49:00 - [584] - Quote I was in a Lev 4 mission yesterday with 2 corpmates, me (in domi) was playing armour tank for the group this was no problem until one stage all 30+ ships decided to target me and my drones. With this happening the screen froze and the mother of all lag came along. The only way out for me after realising i couldnt initiate my armour reps intime and listening to my corpmates tell me my armour was disappearing over Vent was that I had to to log. Not even this saved me. After reboot i saw a lovely little pod. That Domi was a large portion of investment which took months to achieve. No i hope that the GM's will look into my petition and replace it. I find EVE so buggy that it really is a nightmare when you start to advance in the game and when taking part in large fleet ops or missions it becomes totally ridiculous.
Hilder Amarr Magnetar Ltd DeStInY.	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:36:00 - [585] - Quote Edited by: Hilder on 26/10/2006 14:36:00 Oh no CCP, the lag sunk my Battleship! Platinum insurance to the rescue errr and /signed ----------- Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves...
NurofenMiner Amarr United Knights Mining and Security	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:12:00 - [586] - Quote I remember the good ol' days before dragon... A time when the system scanner worked, a time when character information load times were small, and database queries were fast. A time before having serious rubber banding when jumping to gates and stations. Then they went and borked it all up and still haven't fixed it This **** is really starting to annoy me
Maltitol	Posted - 2006.10.26 17:32:00 - [587] - Quote Signed... #1 pet peeve --> 0 people in system, and system your jumping to and you are #1 in queue and have a 3 minute jump queue to jump. WTF is this? Wouldnt it make sense for the gate to jump you (so you dont get ganked) then let the system refresh your jump to system when it can?
wertgqwergqerg	Posted - 2006.10.26 20:10:00 - [588] - Quote Edited by: wertgqwergqerg on 26/10/2006 20:12:33 Originally by: Blank Protection Ok its all very clear people, the game has some serious lag issues and is almost unplayable. But be a little reasonable now. 19 Pages of non-stop complaining about the gameplay is absurd. Just take it for now or just cancel your subscrition and take a brake for a while. Nobody is forcing ppl to play and pay for the game its all of your own free will. So don`t like it at the moment, just leave. Lets give CCP a break now and wait till 1 or 2 november when the hardware upgrade comes. Than see after that how the game play will be. Btw** All the complainers here on the forum actually don`t have the balls to quit. Your just to addicted to the game. 1) We've been reasonable. We've kept paying for a product we are not recieving. The problem still isn't fixed, and leans heavily towards "getting worse". It's high time to stop being reasonable and demand a solution. 2) 19 pages of nonstop complaining should be an indicator of how bad the problem is, not a target for CCP-fanbois to exploit. 30,000 people play this game. A large percentage of them are experiencing the problem daily. 19 pages of "complaints" exist. Lets recap: 30,000 people. 19 pages. What a bunch of whiners, eh? 3) We pay for a service. We should not have to "take it". CCP should "give" it...and willingly. The "cancel your subscription" line is getting old, by the way, and contributes nothing at all. If you do not have these problems, or can happily tolerate them, then post elsewhere as in either case....your comments are irrelevant. 4) Not only do many people have large amounts of cash tied up in bulk bought subscriptions, but just about EVERY player (bar true noobies) have HUGE amounts of time invested in this game. The solution is not, "lose your money, time and effort" ....it is "provide the service you advertised, continue to advertise, and accept money for). 5) The hardware upgrade. Oh yes. Our virtual nirvana. There is one problem with this imaginary oasis though....the massive lag that we have has only begun in the last 3 weeks or so. Does anyone REALLY believe that our playerbase has taken such a HUGE jump, that it overwhelmed the server in just 3 weeks? Of course it didn't. The hardware that worked fine 3 weeks ago should work fine today, bar a physical breakdown of a portion of it. The latest problems occured after the latest patches. 6) We shouldn't have to quit. We paid. I'll say it again: Give us what we paid for. On a side: "having balls" is not usually thought of as "sucking the arse of the company that's corning yours". At least not by my definition.
Blackpearl	Posted - 2006.10.27 01:37:00 - [589] - Quote I am not the type to complain about the little stuff, but this is BIG. If I were not paying for EVE, then I wouldnt complain, I would deal with it.If you buy a game, or pay for the service, you should get that game or service. Im not going to threaten to "stop paying" because of the lack of service, but I will expect better quality. I have lost 2 Domi's, because of lag.. whatever you wanna call it. I have had most of the problems described in the other threads. I worry when I go into a level IV mission that I might lose a ship, not to NPC, or lack of skill.. but lag. The typical experiance is, get aggro'd, screen freeze. The next screen I see is a pod. If it is a graphics issue, then add the option to reduce the quality of the objects... or not display the objects all together. Hell, all I see is red or white +'s of different size anyway. Otherwise, it is an ok game, but fixing the probs should be first priority.
Sylthi Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2006.10.27 03:51:00 - [590] - Quote Personally I think this thread should get a sticky. I mean, why not? It has MORE replies than any stickied thread in here, it has the third most reads, so whatFs up with it not being stickied? Oh, wait...... could it be all of the INCONVENIENT TRUTHS that the thread is filled with that CCP would rather just WENT AWAY rather than having to actually get off their ARSE and do something about them? Hmmm.... that could be it. Oh, and /bump. Nope, told you this one wasn't going away CCP. * *

Blank Protection	Posted - 2006.10.27 05:54:00 - [591] - Quote Originally by: wertgqwergqerg Edited by: wertgqwergqerg on 26/10/2006 20:12:33 Originally by: Blank Protection 1) We've been reasonable. We've kept paying for a product we are not recieving. The problem still isn't fixed, and leans heavily towards "getting worse". It's high time to stop being reasonable and demand a solution. 2) 19 pages of nonstop complaining should be an indicator of how bad the problem is, not a target for CCP-fanbois to exploit. 30,000 people play this game. A large percentage of them are experiencing the problem daily. 19 pages of "complaints" exist. Lets recap: 30,000 people. 19 pages. What a bunch of whiners, eh? 3) We pay for a service. We should not have to "take it". CCP should "give" it...and willingly. The "cancel your subscription" line is getting old, by the way, and contributes nothing at all. If you do not have these problems, or can happily tolerate them, then post elsewhere as in either case....your comments are irrelevant. 4) Not only do many people have large amounts of cash tied up in bulk bought subscriptions, but just about EVERY player (bar true noobies) have HUGE amounts of time invested in this game. The solution is not, "lose your money, time and effort" ....it is "provide the service you advertised, continue to advertise, and accept money for). 5) The hardware upgrade. Oh yes. Our virtual nirvana. There is one problem with this imaginary oasis though....the massive lag that we have has only begun in the last 3 weeks or so. Does anyone REALLY believe that our playerbase has taken such a HUGE jump, that it overwhelmed the server in just 3 weeks? Of course it didn't. The hardware that worked fine 3 weeks ago should work fine today, bar a physical breakdown of a portion of it. The latest problems occured after the latest patches. 6) We shouldn't have to quit. We paid. I'll say it again: Give us what we paid for. On a side: "having balls" is not usually thought of as "sucking the arse of the company that's corning yours". At least not by my definition. Your 200% right brother but whe can`t do a thing about it. And it`s not getting better before the end of the year. Wait till 2 november and set a very long skill training because whe all now, after the updates comes the bigger problems and much reboots etc etc. But what i was meand to say is that CCP is not going to listen or reply to all these complains. Be real mate, 30.000 subscribers and only 591 are complaining here and a lot of us are giving multiple reply`s. Its only 3-4% of all the Eve players. Everytime somebody says to CCP " I give you 3 month`s to fix the problem or i leave" etc etc, they think "leave". For 1 player that stopped playing Eve 10 new players are coming back. The game is just getting to big,what did you expect? A smooth running game with more than 30.000 players at least at the same time? No way man not in a 30.000 years. cheers mate you just have to do with it, nothing more nothing less.
Solbright	Posted - 2006.10.27 06:32:00 - [592] - Quote Originally by: wertgqwergqerg 4) Not only do many people have large amounts of cash tied up in bulk bought subscriptions, but just about EVERY player (bar true noobies) have HUGE amounts of time invested in this game. The solution is not, "lose your money, time and effort" ....it is "provide the service you advertised, continue to advertise, and accept money for). I'll put emphasis on that point. There is a considerable amount of game design based around having to invest lots of effort, and subsequently money into the game. The missing skill queuing is good evidence of that. I'll add that all the whiner on here want the game to work, and also want to enjoy it to the fullest.
Zion Zan'threxian	Posted - 2006.10.27 08:13:00 - [593] - Quote Blank Protection--- I think you fail to realize that for every 1 person to speak another 10 feel exactly the same, and probably more than that. Just enter ANY system in game, ANY time of the day, and make a statement similar to what peopel are saying in this thread I assure you EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM will bring you 2 or 3 people who will agree whole heartedly. Not complaiing in the forum? Why aren't they? You also seem to not realize that a large number of players don't even KNOW this forum exists. I can't tell you how many times I've pointed older players, I'm saying 1 - 1.5 year olds discussing ship fittings were surprised at the wealth of information in the forums, they'd never so much as visited. 30,000 people at once isn't a far reaching expectation of stable server concurrant users. The problem is CCP isn't sony, it's not blizzard, they're a smaller company, they don't have the powerhouse development farms like the massive gaming companies do, at the same time they tend to listen to US more than the larger companies would ever concieve of, but again they simply cannot handle the massive development and debugging that something this size requires with such a small development team. I'm sure eventually they'll get it all hammered out and get things running smooth, it'll just take time, likely a lot of time. Remember CCP isn't some megahouse game company it's like a mom and pop grocery going suddenly to having to handle a walmart supply chain, it'll be rough for a while but once they get things moving forward and begin to understand the new required strategies in development it'll be smoother sailing then ever before, the growth spurt has just been insane and I'm sure it's problematic. Just give'm time.
Karas Rabus Karjala Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.27 11:55:00 - [594] - Quote After 2,5 years of carebear life I finally notice that my claws and fangs had started to grow big and sharp and I start actively getting into pvp situations. At first everything was ok with some lag but that was ok, jumps to other systems were reasonably fast and I could kill quite effectively. During last weeks things have changed. More general lag, jumps now take much longer and sometimes my client totally freezes while jumping. I can still kill quite well and be a deadly asset to my gang but life isn&t that easy as it used to be. Few nights ago we were camping EC- gate and jumped to Torr since there were wartarget(s) at the other side. For me that resulted in painfully long jump time and once in Torr my frames/second turned into seconds/frame. I&ve supported my ship arsenal by mining and ratting. Both activities are getting more and more laggy. Containers take forever to open, modules activate/deactivete with irritating delay and the risk of disconnection is high. Quite dangerous problems in 0.0 where you have to be able to respond to sudden situations fast. Other problems I&ve noticed recently are duplicates of objects on overview and inability to access corp/any other channel after logging in. Add those login queues to that list, even if you are trying to log into some quiet system. WTF is going on? 1.) Server cannot keep up with the load? 2.) Program code/patch code sucks? 3.) Both above? 4.) Someone causing trouble intentionally? a.) To prove he is t3h H4xx0r b.) To retaliate because of something c.) To milk some money from CCP(mafia style) d.) To squeeze in-game favours from CCP e.) Something else 5.) Something undefined? [guess who likes conspiracy theories?] I run 4 separate accounts of which I can use 2 simultaneously. Ever since I found out that I&ll get massive tax refund I&ve been thinking about getting a new pc, EVE being the main reason for it. I&m not so sure anymore. My deadline will be the end of january. Unless things change I&ll propably start playing some other MMORPG again. I hope I don&t have to do that since I&ve invested lots of time and money to this game.
Devious	Posted - 2006.10.27 12:05:00 - [595] - Quote Imagine if Mc donalds or some other major company out there fed you something that was substandard and wasnt what you where paying for.yes we all know mc donalds is a bad choice to use in termology becuase appart from their 100% beef motto( they dont tell where that beef comes from on the cow) they are not making you eat their burgers nor are they packing it full of Cardboard and broken promises .if CCP ran mcdonalds i think they would end up feeding the world Cardboard Bigmacs and sewer water shakes, becuase that is what the service feels like now, and i know if that was the case their would be several thousand complaints about it. this is what you have here , a thread NOT locked and being watched to see how big it really gets, after 1000posts i think ccp will start to answer but for now they are in DnD mode on this.
Arondor GalacTECH Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:07:00 - [596] - Quote but Kali is coming and will fix everything, just like dragon and every other "upgrade"did /me sarcasm off
Avergil	Posted - 2006.10.27 16:08:00 - [597] - Quote /Signed for 2 days now i havent been able to connect to the game. get stuck at acquiring bulk data screen. this day, i have been trying for 7 hours now. i will continue to try fixing my problem for another 10 before i goto sleep. yes, i am an addict. cpp, restore our game to how it was 2 days ago. eve not working makes people very sad, and stop paying
Mika Yabi	Posted - 2006.10.28 03:05:00 - [598] - Quote My 14-day trial is almost over. I enjoy the EVE's depth and atmosphere, but I'm not going to pay for a game with such horrible lag. I'll be sure to warn my friends about this game.
Dano Sarum Giants in the Playground Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.28 03:59:00 - [599] - Quote Edited by: Dano Sarum on 28/10/2006 04:01:24 Well, I've had similar issues. Whilst my rig isn't the best in the world it was pretty much top of the range about 8 months back and should be more then adaquete for EVE. One of the things which also annoys me is in some missions they'll have like 50+ large collidable structures which serve NO PURPOSE except for decoration yet push the poly counts up. I can't help but feel that CCP are more interested in what static screenshots will look like on gaming magazines and graphics wise on small inhouse servers with huge spec PC's MORE then they are worried about playability. What I'm about to say now really shouldn't fall upon deaf ears.... CCP, the majority of your fan base are long time EVE players, they are your community, we would rather be able to play the game we know then try and play an unplayable laggy as hell "improved" version. Do not comprimise gameplay for a nicer looking screenshot. Massive graphics updates and all of these new code are adding to the lag and destroying the game that we'd originally signed up for. If you loose the old players you loose your community. ========== -Dano GitP Recruitment
Chienka Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.28 05:19:00 - [600] - Quote /signed. 2 minute long lag-outs 4tl. Losing AF's to a level 2 drone plex 4tl. Losing my pod, implants and battleship to a hostile I never saw 4tl. Emergency warping at every stargate I jump through 4tl. Paying more money to get better internet to try to fix the problem 4tl. Ill be leaving the game soon. I cant even rat in a dead-end local-empty 0.0 system without lagging for at least 30 seconds every minute. CCP, I hope you realise that customers are important to your success, and if several thousand customers cannot play because of issues on your end, you ought to solve the problem, in your own best interest.

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CCP, the majority of your fan base are long time EVE players, they are your community, we would rather be able to play the game we know then try and play an unplayable laggy as hell "improved" version.Do not comprimise gameplay for a nicer looking screenshot.

CCP, the majority of your fan base are long time EVE players, they are your community, we would rather be able to play the game we know then try and play an unplayable laggy as hell "improved" version.

Do not comprimise gameplay for a nicer looking screenshot.