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Jan86
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:30:00 -
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I run the game in window mode. I get disconnects all the time. Very frustrating.
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Sin Gin
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Posted - 2006.10.08 11:13:00 -
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over the last several days my games gotten horrible, sittin in station gettin lag spikes where my cursor turns to a crosshair, the avatars are now just lines instead of actual pics and even the text is garbled. ive checked my end, connection, comp, memory, hd..... it runs everything except eve with flying colors. this is NOT what im paying for! eve needs to get there act together or its time to find a new game
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Arfur
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Posted - 2006.10.08 16:28:00 -
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Getting the same thing as the Original poster, which has been happening for ages now, ever since this new Dragon patch. At first it was just very laggy which is really risky on lvl4's, at one point I activated the shield booster to find I couldn't de-activate it.. it finally registered an off command with a sliver of cap left to warp out... but now I'm getting random disconnects as well, and no it's not my broadband connection.
Eve was perfectly playable up till this code patch, now it seems to be getting worse daily. 
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Ace Customer
Caldari
Pair O' Dice
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Posted - 2006.10.08 18:21:00 -
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I'm pretty sure this is not going to help, but it is something that I feel I must do.I'm a newer player, and I came into the game and absolutly loved it, and I will still state that I beleive this to be a great game. In fact I found it to be such a great game that I recruited my room-mate, my girlfriend, and 5 other friends to play. The intention: learn the game and start our own Corp. Now let's examine where everyone is now in my group.
My roomate left the game for EQII again, his first love, and honestly the decision had nothing to do with the server issues. Of the 5 friends, one of them so loved the game that like me he bought a second account, and started to work on them both, before Dragon. After Dragon he decided to drop one of the characters since he was running into a lot of lag issues and assumed it to be running 2 characters at the same time. Unfortunately, that did not solve his lag issues, and now he keeps his skills going on the character he still has in hopes that the problem will be solved, but if it is not, he intends to go back to WoW with the next expansion, and does not even play anymore. His room-mate; also keeps his skills up, doesn't play, and is waiting for WoW, but is actively playing WoW in the meantime.Two more of the friends recruited to this game were brothers, one lost his second 60mil (after mods) BC to lag, and packed up to play EQII with my roomate; his brother, enjoying the social interaction of friends followed suit. The last friend, packed it up within a couple of weeks, and claims it was issues with lag, I'm not completly convinced that's the only reason, he was having issues with the learning curve as well, but it certainly contributed.
Now that leaves myself and my GF. We both still play, and we both love the game, but now we play without the benifit of R/L friends, and I usually run one or two missions on a weekend (my days off), and get disgusted with the lag and find something else to do. If the problems persist, we will likely leave the game as well, and that is not stated as a threat, just a reality of the situation.
Lag is rough in any game, but in EVE, it is even more so. CCP, you have created a great game, one in which death means a lot. When you loose a ship, even with insurance, it hits you hard. ISK is easy to come by if you work for it, but to loose that hard earned ISK to lag is not a happy experience. Your game is great, but it is not so great that we will willingly continue to pay real life cash, to continue to be hosed by lag. Your game is no cheaper than any other game, and I will grant you it is much better than the others, IMHO, but it is not a viable finacial choice to continue to pay for hope.
I've said my peace, and I do hope it will not fall upon deaf ears, but only time will tell.
"You keep using that word.... I do not think it means what you think it means."
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Cown
Caldari
Shadow League
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Posted - 2006.10.09 07:47:00 -
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come on CCP 
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Arondor
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.10.09 17:11:00 -
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I've noticed more lag in 0.0 as well. Especially when multiple ships jump on top of you, or vice versa. It seems to be worse not better over the last few weeks.
Also let me clarify this is not just in large 50 man gangs but in 2 or 3 ships vs 10-15 ships at a gate. This is making any viable "fighting" in pvp as opposed to just one side ganking the other, unviable.
Hope this can be resolved soon
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.10 05:04:00 -
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Edited by: Blank Protection on 10/10/2006 05:12:54
Ok now whe not only have tons of LAG that`s not getting fixed, but also **** loot with every L3 and L4 mission.
Picked up 23 ship and cargo scanners today from mission loot.
This is getting really bizar.
How the hell can you make some ISK in this game this way.
That after reading at the front page of this forum about the first Titan that have cost at least 160 billion ISK.
No, when lag and **** loot comes together its time to go and pull out the plug of this game for me.
This game is one great frustration.
Playing for over a year now and already dropped 2 accounts this one is going to be next on the list.
Thats why there is a whole big money making business by selling ISK.
Getting it out of this game is taking ages,and when you finally got some to buy a nice looking ship fitted with T2 stuff on it the game is freezing in the middle of a battle.
Away ISK and your ship
Nop end of line and game for me.
Good luck all.
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:12:00 -
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Well, I have been a participant in this thread since near its inception. I haven't replied to it in a while because I felt everyone else was doing a decent job of keeping it alive. But, seeing as how this thread has been alive for OVER a MONTH now, with NO OFFICIAL CCP response to it directly; I thought it was time to pipe in with some reality checks.
It has now been over 3 weeks, working on a MONTH since we were promised the following by the director Oveur in his now infamous Dev blog: "Thank you all for your patience and sticking with us through thick and thin, we will make it up to you in the near future."
From the state of the posts in this thread, and in others, I think I can safely say that things have not improved AT ALL. In all honesty, and despite all of the empty promises to the contrary, it doesn't seem like anyone is trying to do anything about the quality of service issues. I'm not saying that they AREN'T, I am just saying that the devs and GMs must be going to a lot of effort for NOTHING (if they AREN'T outright lieing about their efforts) because the players certainly don't see any action.
Anyway, on with the reality check (all from my point of view and what I have seen in game with my own eyes and experiences):
Promised to fix:
Lag with server in missions -------> Reality Check: No change, ships still lost to lag OFTEN
Lag in 0.0 space, PvP fleet combat----> Reality Check: No change, or perhaps slightly worse
Node Deaths-----------------> Reality Check: No change, still 1-3 node deaths per DAY for me
Server Crashes--------------> Reality Check: No change, at LEAST 2 outages over last 3 days
Keeping customers informed--> Reality Check: No change, there hasn't been a blog over a week
Living up to your word------> Reality Check: No change, my god look at the facts
Kali expansions/improvements---> Reality Check: None in sight, only vague promises like all along. REMEMBER we were SUPPOSED to have these enhancements in AUGUST when originally announced, remember that little tidbit? Also, CCP ACCEPTED an AWARD for "inovative game design" TWO MONTHS ago for the in-game voice feature! IT ISN'T EVEN IN THE GAME YET!! MY GOD CAN THE LIES AND DECEPTIONS GET ANY THICKER!?!?
So, these are the facts as I see them. I am not being mean. I am not being overly critical (from my point of view). This is simply the state of things as I see them. I love Eve. I love PLAYING Eve. But, if I can't play Eve because of server issues, and customer service and the devs do nothing but lie to you and abuse your trust, after a while, it really makes you step back and ask what you have left to enjoy or keep playing for.
If anyone has been having any different (better) experiences than the ones I listed above PLEASE list them here! I would like to hear any shred of hope, because as of now, I have been drained of all of it from the continued deceptions from the very top of Eve and the utter lack of ANY sign of progress for over a MONTH now.
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:17:00 -
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They never said they had fixed it, they said they had improved the situation (which they have), but had not found the real cause, and where still searching for the cause of the problem. It's like trying to scream at your mother for attention, when you already have it.
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Sylthi on 10/10/2006 09:19:37
 Originally by: Grez
They never said they had fixed it, they said they had improved the situation (which they have), but had not found the real cause, and where still searching for the cause of the problem. It's like trying to scream at your mother for attention, when you already have it.
I thought you had given up posting in this thread and stomped off in frustration? Nice to have you back. It's nice to have a little bit of unfounded optimism to balance out the dark reality of the situation. I mean that. 
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sylthi
Edited by: Sylthi on 10/10/2006 09:19:37
Originally by: Grez
They never said they had fixed it, they said they had improved the situation (which they have), but had not found the real cause, and where still searching for the cause of the problem. It's like trying to scream at your mother for attention, when you already have it.
I thought you had given up posting in this thread and stomped off in frustration? Nice to have you back. It's nice to have a little bit of unfounded optimism to balance out the dark reality of the situation. I mean that.
Yeah, the attitude of some of the people who ask for help has been less than great lately, "so why not just take a peek?", I thought. And there's no unfounded optimism, if you read Oveur's DevBlog, he replies with almost exactly what I did - They made some fixes to improve the situation, but havn't found the real cause yet.
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Grez
Originally by: Sylthi
Edited by: Sylthi on 10/10/2006 09:19:37
Originally by: Grez
They never said they had fixed it, they said they had improved the situation (which they have), but had not found the real cause, and where still searching for the cause of the problem. It's like trying to scream at your mother for attention, when you already have it.
I thought you had given up posting in this thread and stomped off in frustration? Nice to have you back. It's nice to have a little bit of unfounded optimism to balance out the dark reality of the situation. I mean that.
Yeah, the attitude of some of the people who ask for help has been less than great lately, "so why not just take a peek?", I thought. And there's no unfounded optimism, if you read Oveur's DevBlog, he replies with almost exactly what I did - They made some fixes to improve the situation, but havn't found the real cause yet.
Yes, I remember the bit about "not knowing exactly what was wrong". And honestly, that's kinda my point, so I am glad you brought it up specifically. They have had over a MONTH to figure it out. If they haven't figured out what they did to break it in the first place in over a MONTH, and been able to implement a fix in that time, then I would suggest they DESPERATLEY NEED to hire some people who know a little bit more about the systems they are using because they OBVIOUSLY need some more professional help.....
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:36:00 -
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Apparently, acording to Sharkbait (I think) in one of the General Discussion threads, it requires much low level coding to fix, and it's quite tricky, and complicated on a scale of EVE's, which requires much time spent on analysising such things.
On an high note, me and 100 others where on Sini last week testing lag, and trying to cause the node to crash, so Tanis could compile some data to find out where the problems where leading, and in which specific area. So it's not all bad, and I should think that the data Tanis got should be compiled by now, and they're using it to help them find the cause.
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.10 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sylthi on 10/10/2006 09:44:52
Originally by: Grez
Apparently, acording to Sharkbait (I think) in one of the General Discussion threads, it requires much low level coding to fix, and it's quite tricky, and complicated on a scale of EVE's, which requires much time spent on analysising such things.
On an high note, me and 100 others where on Sini last week testing lag, and trying to cause the node to crash, so Tanis could compile some data to find out where the problems where leading, and in which specific area. So it's not all bad, and I should think that the data Tanis got should be compiled by now, and they're using it to help them find the cause.
That is indeed hopeful news. The first REAL, confirmed, hopeful news I have heard in quite a while. I can only hope it brings about some decent changes to the level of service almost immedaitely and that it isn't far too little, far too late, for many users who haven't already quit, but are on the edge.... I'll give it another couple weeks and then we'll have to do another "reality check." 
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LukaG
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Posted - 2006.10.10 15:23:00 -
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/signed
I know you run a business CCP, in the interests of your long term business health maybe its time you took a temp hit to your massive profits and invested some money in greater hardware/staff to fix the issues raised here.
Good luck with it all, still a great game and one worth fixing.
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Crystalium
Minmatar
NawaK Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.10 17:27:00 -
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How to reduce the will to play ?
I just came back from work (i'm french)
I'm happy, taking a cold beer, can log on and go lvl 4 a bit ..
"so .. sansha nation pirate invasion lvl 4 . yay"
"ah, i was fit with explosive torps .. removing charges .. 5-10 sec each launcher .. ok it's lagging"
"stack torps .. 30 secs"
"moving torps to my giant secure container "ammo" .. 30 secs"
"moving EM torps to launchers .. 5-15 sec each"
-> will to play -75%
"i think i'll just do this one and go watching a movie or playing another game .. i'm happy i paid more than 10 G to play 20-30 minutes a day .. really .."
Please .. talk to us .. tell us something, tell us you're aware of it and working on it .. it makes nearly a month it's unplayable ..
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Hazor Dris
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Posted - 2006.10.10 17:54:00 -
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-Signed
I have waited and waited for CCP to sort it out, they usually do...but this time it is becoming quite lengthy. I have very little time to play EVE and when i am able to play, the lag is just frustrating. Just the other day we were hunting pirates and had chased them farther south from our current position, we had a 20 man gang and suddenly our scout hit "Traffic advisory warning" and there was a 2 minute wait to jump into the next system...the whole op was called off because of it. Additionally i hear about the whole war for UNITY station being called on account of lag...that just shows how rediculously huge the problem is becoming.
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:42:00 -
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They are still searching for the issue that's causing the servers to eat up memory. The testing we did on Sini last week should help them in their investigations on getting TQ up and running properly again. The only thing you can do is WAIT unfortunatly, like the rest of us.
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Sombike
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Posted - 2006.10.11 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sombike on 11/10/2006 01:43:43
Yeah, put ur skilltraining on a Long long skill 30Days, and dont pay for the comming month. When u get back the month after that, see if the problem is solved, if not repeat option one ... 
Hope they get it Fixed soon though ...
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Kitara Majere
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Posted - 2006.10.11 03:16:00 -
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Looks like this thread has worked to some degree. (Sever is down as i write this)
A small patch that did effect a minor performance increase. To be honest this is probly the first thread i can remember where it wasnt just one person saying, "its unplayable, i quit" and 200 people saying, Can I have your stuff! CCP wants to create their game, their way. no matter what we the customers want. and they have proved that time and time again. CCP needs to respect the people who love this game for what it is no matter the faults. and at least try to keep things stable anuff for the paying customers to enjoy what thier paying for. yea its a small price a month and loosing a day is no big deal, couple cents a day, but multiple account over years its a large amount of cash. I'm in a very small corp and monthly with all our accounts added up to close to $5,000.00 USD a month. and we are paying this to be docked so we dont loose the ships we spent hours and hours working to get, and months and months of training time to be able to use. as far as this patch was supposed to be this day. ccp is damned if they do and damned if they dont. patch comes without us knowing and we scream about not being told. if they tell us its going to be next week. and they cant deliver we want heads because its not here. Kali's looking great and all, but it does us no good if we can't play it does it.
Eve is always evolving and changing. and CCP love's to have RECORD USERS sitting in a station because they cant do anything. to be honest the perfomance of eve has sucked since Coldwar. Yes we have record users that cant play the game. Nobody is going to be happy untill cpp gets eve performing back to Castor Standards, which i dont see happoning becuase of a client that needs a serious overhaul, and servers that are unstable and trying to deal with the massive amount of users. the good news you ask....those of us that wait it out....massive players will quit and the servers will have less lag. speaking of lag i have a suggestion for ccp that will massive reduce lag. give everyone a week to pull in any cans they have in space. and after that week delete all cans in space. they clutter the overview, there all you can see in the belts. and they have to take alot of resorces, speaking of resorces we had our drones cut back from 10/15 drones in space to 5, ccp promised that by cutting the number down we would have less lag, we whined, they took them away, and after that patch and every other we have had more and more lag, so damnit give us our drones back while your at it. We need friends to play with while we sit in our hangers and wait......
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.11 03:23:00 -
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Well, there is yet ANOTHER server outage to add to my "reality check" list..... I think the post above has a good idea. I think its time for EVERYONE to start giving themselves a 50% price break since CCP seems disinclined to compensate us as they should. (Meaning FIX the darn problems, or start handing out subscription refunds.) As stated may times before, I am not holding my breathe for either. But, as stated above: Start paying for one month, then the day your month of service runs out, start a 30-45 day skill training. It WILL run while you aren't paying. Just mark it on your calendar and come back later. Pay for another single month; wash, rinse, and repeat. At least, keep doing it until CCP runs out of second chances in your book....
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g0nadzintherain
Caldari
Crazy 88's
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Posted - 2006.10.11 06:22:00 -
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/signed
i understand that there are huge probs and they take time to resolve but CCP - look at the lenght of this thread, wud be nice to have eaven a small official responce ie. "we're workin on it, bear with us" but no, nothing. that kinda makes me feel that they realy don't care about theyr players (proly not true, but the feeling is there...).
Thank you,
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Blank Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.11 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sylthi
Start paying for one month, then the day your month of service runs out, start a 30-45 day skill training. It WILL run while you aren't paying. Just mark it on your calendar and come back later. Pay for another single month; wash, rinse, and repeat.
Maybe i missing something here but not paying is not playing and also not training skills. At the moment you stop paying the whole game stops for yah.
So where did you get the stupid idea to train skills while your not paying for the game because thats complete new for me.
Sorry again if i mis something here but what your saying doesnt make sense to me at all.
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Sombike
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Posted - 2006.10.11 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Blank Protection
Originally by: Sylthi
Start paying for one month, then the day your month of service runs out, start a 30-45 day skill training. It WILL run while you aren't paying. Just mark it on your calendar and come back later. Pay for another single month; wash, rinse, and repeat.
Maybe i missing something here but not paying is not playing and also not training skills. At the moment you stop paying the whole game stops for yah.
So where did you get the stupid idea to train skills while your not paying for the game because thats complete new for me.
Sorry again if i mis something here but what your saying doesnt make sense to me at all.
Welll, when i didnt pay for the comming month and put my skill to train Frig lvl 5, it worked pretty good ... i think it was 35 days. When i came back it was kinda ... Completed! :P
Dunno, maybe they patched it now that skill training wont work, when u havnt payed, im not sure ...
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Joez
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Posted - 2006.10.11 13:23:00 -
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I'm having same disconnect issues.
When I'm undocking or warping somewhere or, whatever, nothing happens (it just lags) and then I'm getting disconnected. In background I'm pinging google.com - no packet loss, ping is absolutely stable at 20 ms.
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Calynus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:13:00 -
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I took almost a month "off" while a long skill was training to give CCP some time to get the performance problems licked and I did read Oveur's "apology" to the community and the promises that performance fixes were coming soon.
Well, I've been resubbed for 4 days and they aren't fixed. It's just as laggy and unstable as before. I am afraid to try to run any level 4 missions because I've almost lost ships before due to lag and I don't want to take the standings loss for a failed mission. I go online to switch skills and check the market briefly, then I log off. I play 1/10th as much as I did before Dragon, if even that.
I'm going to train up some "quick" skills while my sub is open and if it's not better by the time it runs out again early next month, I'll set another long skill and take another break. If it's still not fixed at that time, I'll just sell out and be done with EVE for good.
Instability, lag, bad customer service, huge petition queues, not banning blatant exploiters....where did the darling of the MMO community go? They need to stop learning from SOE or they're not going to have much of a loyal customer base left.
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.10.12 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sylthi on 12/10/2006 03:13:02
Originally by: Blank Protection
Originally by: Sylthi
Start paying for one month, then the day your month of service runs out, start a 30-45 day skill training. It WILL run while you aren't paying. Just mark it on your calendar and come back later. Pay for another single month; wash, rinse, and repeat.
Maybe i missing something here but not paying is not playing and also not training skills. At the moment you stop paying the whole game stops for yah.
So where did you get the stupid idea to train skills while your not paying for the game because thats complete new for me.
Sorry again if i mis something here but what your saying doesnt make sense to me at all.
Ok, say you pay for 30 days of game time. You place a 45 day train time skill to start on day 29 of your paid subscription. The last skill you had training, EVEN AFTER YOUR SUBSCRIPTION RUNS OUT, keeps going until it is done. You come back on day 75 or so, pay for another month and see if things are better. If not, go for another 30-45 day training skill when you next month you paid for is about to run out. It actually DOES work this way. Your training keeps going for the last skill you had going until it is done after your subscription runs out. I have done it several times myself when I have been completely disgusted with CCP and the dev's lack of progress. Ask anyone in the know, they will tell you the same thing. Heck, ask a GM, they will tell you the same thing. Happy to help you get a 50% discount on your training.  Note: You will not actually be able to PLAY while you are not subscribing, but with the servers the way they are you really can't do that anyway... so.....
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RipperXXX
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.12 11:31:00 -
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Lag problem is terrible, someone said already?
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Ogame Veterans
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Posted - 2006.10.12 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Xaria on 12/10/2006 18:06:01
If it were only lag... thats the second day I can't even do anyting - I undock, I give the command to warp to the next stargate, I get disconnected - quite annoying
[Edit] And no, its not my ISP, everthing else runs fine...[/Edit]
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Posted - 2006.10.12 18:21:00 -
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Writing down personal experiences r worthless.
LAG is a fact!
We ll not be satisfied with a Dev response , promises, or with the new toys in the upcoming patch.
We want to see positive results..period!
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