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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.19 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sylthi on 19/09/2006 12:41:24
 Originally by: Enkilil
Well also, you don't want to forget the overhead involved... Advertising alone must take quite a considerable chunk of that,
I honestly can't think of any form of Eve advertising that I have seen in the past 6 months that wasn't web-based banner format. And, those cost them next to nothing, if not ACTUALLY nothing. Except of course for the events like E3 and the like.... I'll give you THAT expense as I hear attending those as a vendor isn't cheap... but there's what? 2-3 of those a YEAR? Come'on! Exhibitions = CCP staffer's paid working vacation. Just read the dev blogs about them. They run their asses off during the day going to all of the different "sites", and then drink themselves into a stupor at night. Sounds kinda like a vacation to me.....
Originally by: Enkilil
even the Eve-Fanfest must be costing them a lot.
Ummm, its called the "tickets that you have to buy to get in" that kinda amertizes off that expense a little. 
Originally by: Enkilil
It's a great game and it's worth it.
Agree 100% or I wouldn't be wasting my time posting over and over again on the stupid forums (which I hate participating in) in an effort to get problem issues heard and addressed.
Originally by: Enkilil
This is a business, like any other. Simple as that.
Agree with you 100%. They are a business that has a responcibility to their paying customers like any other. And, imho, they haven't been doing such a great job in that area of late. And, judging from this thread, I am not alone in that opinion.
Originally by: Enkilil
I really don't see how debating what CCP does with their income is really solving anything, tho. Scrutinizing thier finances and how they spend it isn't going to make the lag go away, and certainly isn't going to get anything fixed faster than it is.
You're absolutely right. It was pointless to bring it up. But, as I stated in my original post I couldn't resist because of what I konw about the subject irl. And yes, it is certainly not going to help anything get fixed faster. CCP moves in their own time and their own way, that is ABUNDENTLY clear at this point.
Originally by: Enkilil
I love you all! ;)
My character huggles you right back. I don't..... cause that would be homo.  
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Dark Motoko
Caldari
Ex Divinitas
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:32:00 -
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*sniff* and it was such a nice innocent little topic too...
*OP waves to the veritable army now banging on the gates of the CCP HQ*
Well, you lot certainly made this threat explode. It's nice in a way to see so many posting here, and yet, because of what you're posting, not so nice at all.
I have to admit that given that dev's themselves do post to forum threads to some extent, the fact that we haven't had a direct response to this particular thread is surprising, and there are a fair few questions that really do warrent some kind of answer. Discussion on that $75000-a-day estimated statistic not being the least significant of the lot. Or perhaps these are embarrassing little points that CCP hoped we'd never actually notice? Perhaps less gold-plated Bentleys for the execs and more dev personnel and servers could be the way forward? :P
Very fair point raised earlier about the effect this is going to have on CCP/EVE's reputation as a whole. Not only will the eve community dip as more players cancel their subscriptions but those busy little bees will soon be telling their friends why they left and actively dissuading others from throwing their funds into CCP's hot sticky little hands. It'd be nice if the lag doesn't get solved just because suddenly we have half as many players online...a shameless exxageration of course...but a few more weeks of this...?
Anyhow, all the material has been pretty much covered so I'll end it there.
Keep it up folks.
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Marvin Jones
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:41:00 -
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Look, at the end of the day CCP have most players by the nuts, especially old players who aren't gonna ditch their characters with 50 squillion experience points for any amount of bugs. The only people who may quit are noobs and fairly-noobs with less time/effort invested.
So get the noobs to nag CCP because THEY HAVE A CHOICE, most of whom will probably be off to play Never Winter next month...
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.19 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Marvin Jones
Look, at the end of the day CCP have most players by the nuts, especially old players who aren't gonna ditch their characters with 50 squillion experience points for any amount of bugs. The only people who may quit are noobs and fairly-noobs with less time/effort invested.
So get the noobs to nag CCP because THEY HAVE A CHOICE, most of whom will probably be off to play Never Winter next month...
This is a VERY fair hit, and an excellent point. Hell, its the NUMBER ONE reason I'm still here. But, even for the veterans there comes a point where enough is enough. Especially if you see no end in sight to the bugs. After all, what good is having an advanced character if you never get to play it because of bugs/server issues?
But, getting some of the newer player involved in the process would be great. Fortunately, that has already happened to some extent. If you'll look back a few pages there is at least one person who gave the finger to CCP because they did their TRAIL account during this mess, and at least TWO people who's accounts were under 3 months who say screw it and left. So, to some extent I think this is already happening. But, a lot more would deffinately light a fire under CCP managment thats for sure.  Not that I am ENCOURAGEING people to leave by any means. But, I am sure many of them have to do what is best for their own pocketbook.
Good post, like the OP said, keep them coming! 
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Taelus
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:32:00 -
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I've had a petition on this one for two weeks and I've diligently done a lot of their troubleshooting for them. Hours and hours of time examining hardware configurations and network activity and submitting it all to them. Then, on Monday, they had the temerity to come back to me and say, after Oveur's post, that this was something at my end and theirs is running perfectly. That I can't log into the game, like well over a hundred other people I know, is all about me doing something wrong.
That was enough for me. My friends and I are leaving the game. So hopefully the few hundred dollars less a month they receive will wake them up, and to everyone else, you've been absolute bricks, and I'll miss ya.
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.09.19 14:59:00 -
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There are a lot of UK-basedd advertisments, like in PG Gamer (UK) - They love the game.
They ARE doing their best (Oveur has said so), and they are far from happy with the current state of things. What you need to remember is that EVE is a huge game (understatement of the year), not to mention the server complexity... Finding one tiny colon that wasn't meant to be there can be fustrating and insanely hard to do. Just give them time - CCP have always come through on top.
Beating a dead horse is not going to help matters any further.
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Akira Ito
Band of Monkeys
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Posted - 2006.09.19 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Grez
They ARE doing their best (Oveur has said so)...
Fanboy, Oveur said NOTHING about the lag - doesn't that mean they ARENT doing their best on the lag issue?
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Chimaera7
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Posted - 2006.09.19 15:57:00 -
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Thanks for pointing the petitionthing out.... Ya I have petitioned 3 problems recently (last few months) and you never get a resolution. Petition lies open and if you do get a reply it is a rather non commited answer with no progression or liability admitted.
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.19 16:04:00 -
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Directed to Grez above: Unfortunately, neither does trying to resuscitate a thorsev that has been dead for weeks on end. The thorsev I am talking about here is of course: CCPFs credibility with many of itFs players; new, old, and potential. You obviously have not lost your tfaithv Grez, and that may well work for you. But, unfortunately, for many, blind faith just simply doesnFt work; especially when there is money at stake. However insignificant that amount of money is to some people (CCP staffers obviously) doesnFt matter. What matters is exactly what youFre asking for on behalf of CCP and the devs, namely: Time. Time is all well and good, and complicated systems do not fix themselves; believe me, I know. But the acrid questions that hang in the air, and have NEVER ONCE been answered to my satisfaction by you, CCP, or any of the other fanboys out there are these: Why does CCP constantly need so MUCH of this TIME of fix things? Why are so MANY things constantly broken all of the time in the FIRST place? Especially, why are they broken on patches that are supposed to FIX things? DonFt bother answering Grez they are rhetorical questions. Besides, I already know the answer even if the staff at CCP would DIE before admitting it.
The reason that this happens ALL THE TIME with patches is that the development and bug fixing processes at CCP do not give any priority what-so-ever to the satisfaction of the paying clients. In fact, quite the opposite. It is their STANDING policy to USE their own PAYING customers for development research so they can save money on staff. It is CLEAR that over the three or more years that CCP has been in operation it is the STATUS QUO to release code that they KNOW (or at least heavily suspect) is faulty and then have their paying customer base work through the tBETAv issues for them. DonFt try to talk me, or the many others in the thread who believe this, out of it. I have done the IT excuse tdancev too many times myself (in my 20+ years of experience in the field) not to know EXACTLY why what CCP and the devs SAY can NOT be reconciled with what they DO. It is my unyielding belief that this practice is WRONG and should be stopped IMMEDIATELY.
Now you will note I have never once said that the devs or CCP tdo not care.v The main reason for this is that it is all too easy a charge to counter. Also, I do not believe that they tdonFt care.v Of course they care! We pay their salaries! Of course they care to some degree whether we come or go. But, they learned a LONG time ago just how dedicated a player base they have, and they USE that fact against us ALL THE TIME. They do not give weight to customer satisfaction because they know they donFt HAVE to. In their minds we will either just tsit there and take itv or they will tget three paying players that look just like us in the future.v What they DONFT CARE about is which one it is, the former or the later. It is this corrupt corporate culture that is so readily apparent to me that I am railing against and trying to get changed. And, before anyone has to tell me, I KNOW how hopeless it is to get something or someone to give priority to you when they KNOW they donFt have to. But that doesnFt stop me from trying.
So, Grez, you can sugar coat telling me to tshut up and go sit under my rock and be quietv all you want to. IFm not going to, and I donFt think MANY people in this thread can be silenced that easily either. CCP crossed the line of the paying playerFs tolerance this time, and they know it; otherwise there would have been no post from Oveur. And I for one, do not plan to be quiet about it until we see so ACTION, not just words.
TRUST is a hard thing to get back once you violate it. CCP has violated a hell of a lot of trust with DRAGON and being so slow in acknowledging it faults to suffering customers. I am eager to see what, if ANYTHING, they plan to DO about it in the near future. I hope, for EVERYONE'S sake, its a BIG jesture.
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Isotobe
Caldari
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.19 17:57:00 -
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I never really post on forums, however I feel the urgent need to do so now.
For the first time since I started playing EVE, today I was angry when I tried to log my alt into a 0.0 system with 7 people in it. I got the traffic control telling me I was #1 in the queue.
Now before I semi-rant (might be due to 2nd no-smoking day), all you fanbois can stfu before you start.
"begin rant"
I have, like many people in EVE, put up with the over-run upgrades, the extended downtimes, the lag, the this and that, and always taken it in my stride, because I have always believed that CPP has the game and gamers interest in their best intentions. However, today is the final straw, whoever came up with the idea of traffic control for log ins seriously needs a bl00dy good ****ting to within an inch of his life with the stupid bat.
All the other things we live with, stuff happens, life goes on, etc, etc, that I can handle without too much of a frown. But when I cant even log into a game to check mails or look at the market because I am in a log on traffic control queue, thats the point where ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
"end rant"
Please fix it.
Regards,
Isotobe
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UKM Thorgrim
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.09.19 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Isotobe
I never really post on forums, however I feel the urgent need to do so now.
For the first time since I started playing EVE, today I was angry when I tried to log my alt into a 0.0 system with 7 people in it. I got the traffic control telling me I was #1 in the queue.
Now before I semi-rant (might be due to 2nd no-smoking day), all you fanbois can stfu before you start.
"begin rant"
I have, like many people in EVE, put up with the over-run upgrades, the extended downtimes, the lag, the this and that, and always taken it in my stride, because I have always believed that CPP has the game and gamers interest in their best intentions. However, today is the final straw, whoever came up with the idea of traffic control for log ins seriously needs a bl00dy good ****ting to within an inch of his life with the stupid bat.
All the other things we live with, stuff happens, life goes on, etc, etc, that I can handle without too much of a frown. But when I cant even log into a game to check mails or look at the market because I am in a log on traffic control queue, thats the point where ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
"end rant"
Please fix it.
Regards,
Isotobe
I Second Isotobes Comments, PLZ FIX THE PROBLEMS.
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EvilDoomer
Caldari
Chicago Mobsters
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.19 21:22:00 -
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So far 5 friends are deactivating the game.
Im close.
Maybe time for WOW!
or CHESS>!
Shame that CCP does nothing.
I have 2 accounts.
Wife has been pressuring me anyways!.
Thanks
EvilDoomer
Chicago Mobsters
In-Game Channel:DAMOB
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Buckeroo Bonzai
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Posted - 2006.09.19 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Buckeroo Bonzai on 19/09/2006 22:48:56
Ok let first start out by saying I love this game. I have played my share of MMO's in my time and this one is in the top 2. Now for the bad part. The game is no longer fun to play because of the lag and other "bugs". You can't do missions (combat ones at least) because the lag will either kill you or it will take you 4 hours to do something that should of taken you 1. PvP is just suicide. About the only thing you can do is mine and then only in safe space. All I can do now is log on change a skill and log off. When I first started playing this never was a problem. You would get a little lag now and again but all MMO's do. Games are like wine they are supposed to get better with time not worse. So for now I am not renewing my subscription when it runs out. Maybe down the line when and IF they get this fixed then they can have my money again and I will reactivate my account. If more of us did that I guarantee you we would get a response. While I DID have ALOT of fun in this game SOME of the time. I can JUST have fun ALL of the time in another game. Thats where its all at. Are you still having fun in this game? I wish I was.
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.09.19 23:19:00 -
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I give up. I won't bother email Kieron again to get someone to take a look at this thread. So much "fanboy" insulting. Petty insults.
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Entrophos
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.20 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Grez
I give up. I won't bother email Kieron again to get someone to take a look at this thread. So much "fanboy" insulting. Petty insults.
I'm sure they've seen it. The lack of a response to this thread is pretty cowardly IMHO, and just gives me those bad SOE vibes all over again.
The best way to get attention is to take the bitter pill, fight the addiction and voice your discontent with your wallet. I've cancelled 1 of my 3 accounts (my mission runner who is totally unplayable). The other two (hauler and manufacturer) will follow very soon if the lag/performance problems don't improve because I am seeing huge lag even doing non-intensive operations like transferring cargo and queuing up jobs. Lord help me if I open the Market. :P
Get your act together CCP!
PS - Use your 75k-a-day haul to hire some competent web developers and fix your forums. I'm sick of the "log-in-ten-times-to-post" crap.
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2006.09.20 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grez
I give up. I won't bother email Kieron again to get someone to take a look at this thread. So much "fanboy" insulting. Petty insults.
I can underatand your giving up Grez. These issues are insanly frustrating no matter what angle you tackle them from: i.e. playing the part of devil's advocate, or playing the role of the valiant defender. Don't worry about the emails to Kieron, I'll happily take over that job for you. (Especially since I had already been doing it anyway.)
As for the fanboy comments from myself and others, I can only speak for myself. I can honestly tell you it was never my intention to insult you on a PERSONAL level. Mainly because that doesn't help anyone. If I was one of those that did, I appologize. The only point I will make on this subject however is this: I think that if ANYONE was to look at the bulk of your posts objectively, they would have to come to the inescapable conclusion that maybe the term comes a lot closer to fitting that not when concerning you. I have personally read several hundred of your posts, and you truly seem incapable of laying any serious blame at the feet of CCP and/or the devs. Every single one of your posts, without fail, rings of one or more of these opinions: "#1 The problem is with the user's system not CCP's. #2 The paying customers should be satisfied with whatever CCP deems fit to dish out to them, and go away and be quiet, while the devs get around to fixing what they have broken. #3 The people who discuss the ongoing problems repeatedly in the forums should get a life, keep paying CCP no matter what the service becomes like, and just go away." I am sorry Grez, but I, and many others like me, can not, and WILL not, subscribe to your points of view on these subjects. I am truly sorry if the term "fanboy" upsets you. I, for one, will not use it again towards you if it does. However, to be fair, perhaps you should take a closer look at why the term being applied to you upsets you so much? I am only suggesting that the "truth" can sometimes hurt worse than anything else.
At any rate, to the rest of the concerned community out there, please keep this post up as I am out of pocket for about a week and will be unable to post. See you guys when I get back, and I'l pick up my duties of keeping this thread in the forefront of CCP's mind when I get back. Cheers all! And sorry we drove you off Grez.
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Posted - 2006.09.20 08:39:00 -
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Edited by: Chimaera7 on 20/09/2006 08:39:10
Ooh another problem now... getting random dropouts. Clients just close for no reason. Yes lag is present but not even as bad as normal and game givesup.
Apparently people work at CCP and tehre is a customer service dept..... HHHHHHHAAAAHHHHAAAAHHHHHAAAA, Ooh sorry.... no response to petitions.... no response to this forum.
Just out of interest... is CCP owned by Apple? With this quality of service it must be. I thought apple were rubbish, but this is a new unrivalled experience. Apple not got a clue about what customer service means and it looks like CCP are reading from the same hym book.
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Elijah Olivaw
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Posted - 2006.09.20 09:02:00 -
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PLEASE CCP put all ur effort in fixing this LAG/Disconnect problem!
I'm still a noob I guess, training and gathering isk to eventually and hopefully take part in huge tactical wars in 0.0. But since PVP'ing in groups seems to be impossible, I see no point in continuing.....
For now can we get the old bugs back please and get rid of the new one(s)?
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jessyjames
Amarr
Dragonstar
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Posted - 2006.09.20 09:10:00 -
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I am a 3 year old player and now it mite be coming to an end. The lag in eve now is out of control. To petition is worth nothing lost another ship tonight and i still havent heared back from the last petition i sent a month ago.
PLEASE FIX THIS CCP
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Malkavian Spirit
Minmatar
Instant Travel Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:09:00 -
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looks like another extended downtime today 
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Ryan Scouse'UK
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:15:00 -
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Signed.. Bumped to front page.
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Devious
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:18:00 -
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You know i shouldnt really be posting here whining like this perhaps i should start a new thread called " lag and eve the close relationship" ive been playing on one of my many alts recently , got involved in a Big inter alliance fight the other day not mentioning who...ever tried warping to a warzone with 100 people in zone...it only takes 1minute 45 seconds to load up everyone there..even though according to the server your already a target and can be shot even though u cannot fire back or even move your cursor...so its game dynamics i say but whats worse a GM comes along and says Cease fire during the middle of the fight..it seems Drones are the cause of all this warzone lag...they fixed it once and now they have to fix it again...the fancy new ramsen server cannot cope with the tags for the drones...it just doesnt have the processing power to account for them all and this includes carrer fighters....CCP has here a broken game which they refuse to fix..happy to let it run in its Beta like state until it once again crashes the server...i understand that games online are constantly in Termoil as they are always changing and seem to be like beta with online known bugs but to go a whole year and not address the issues that are being seen here is just unprofessional and poor.il be sticking around to see what new bug comes along that ccp cannot deal with its almost like an episode from some sad long running series that nobody watches....
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shuckstar
Gallente
Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:20:00 -
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Totally agree with the OP
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Ryan Scouse'UK
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 20/09/2006 12:22:26
Originally by: Devious
You know i shouldnt really be posting here whining like this perhaps i should start a new thread called " lag and eve the close relationship" ive been playing on one of my many alts recently , got involved in a Big inter alliance fight the other day not mentioning who...ever tried warping to a warzone with 100 people in zone...it only takes 1minute 45 seconds to load up everyone there..even though according to the server your already a target and can be shot even though u cannot fire back or even move your cursor...so its game dynamics i say but whats worse a GM comes along and says Cease fire during the middle of the fight..it seems Drones are the cause of all this warzone lag...they fixed it once and now they have to fix it again...the fancy new ramsen server cannot cope with the tags for the drones...it just doesnt have the processing power to account for them all and this includes carrer fighters....CCP has here a broken game which they refuse to fix..happy to let it run in its Beta like state until it once again crashes the server...i understand that games online are constantly in Termoil as they are always changing and seem to be like beta with online known bugs but to go a whole year and not address the issues that are being seen here is just unprofessional and poor.il be sticking around to see what new bug comes along that ccp cannot deal with its almost like an episode from some sad long running series that nobody watches....
A GM really told you all to stop fighting.. what was the reason... more detail be great.
/ the out come etc.
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Devious
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:26:00 -
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A GM really told you all to stop fighting.. what was the reason... more detail be great.
Ol Fear told us to cease fire due to Carrier drones causing system instability in the node and cycling it till it crashed...was about 4 days ago they had to reboot the server node and asked players to log off or leave the node...last night had similar occurence but no gm intervention they just let the node crash...you can always tell a node has crashed when you queue to get into a system with 0 players in it...its an ongoing bug ccp wont fix , to be honest i dont think they know how to ...i must give kudos to ccp in a small way noone has really ever tried to host 30,000 people on a single server before without sharding it...
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Hoea
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:35:00 -
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**** POOR SERVICE CCP
Pull your fingures out and work on some REALL issues, We couldn't really give two hoots about your teir 3 BS's etc, as NONE OF US CAN F***** USE THEM. Seriously, 1 week, and i'm going to WOW with the rest of the "EX EVE-ONLINE PLAYERS", nice guild name i thinks's Stop ranting about 30k+ player online at one time, personally i couldn't give a f***, what good is 30k+ players if we can't so much as even chat to eachother??????????????
/Rant off
A reply here would also be nice :)
Rob
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Devious
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hoea
**** POOR SERVICE CCP
Pull your fingures out and work on some REALL issues, We couldn't really give two hoots about your teir 3 BS's etc, as NONE OF US CAN F***** USE THEM. Seriously, 1 week, and i'm going to WOW with the rest of the "EX EVE-ONLINE PLAYERS", nice guild name i thinks's Stop ranting about 30k+ player online at one time, personally i couldn't give a f***, what good is 30k+ players if we can't so much as even chat to eachother??????????????
/Rant off
A reply here would also be nice :)
Rob
uhm can i have your stuff :P
seriously im sick of it too..but il be sticking around...eve is my life, wow and those other games have worse Customer support least here someone from ccp does occasionaly read the forums...
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Marvin Jones
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Posted - 2006.09.20 12:57:00 -
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Someone needs to form a union to bring all the little moaning voices into a SHOUT! Also, is there not an in-game way to make life hard for CCP that isn't punishable?
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Devious
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Posted - 2006.09.20 13:01:00 -
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A Pain switch would be nice to be linked to CCP HQ...press for instant Customer service....*presses switch* BZZZZ "arghh ccp how may i Arhghhelp you?* nice thought but oh well....
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Edu Journeyman
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.20 13:05:00 -
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So, the thread started in September 9th...
A lot of posts, veterans and new players, no "fanboys" posts with that "Shutup ur moron, if you don't like just quit blah blah blah", only a few posts trying to show some point-of-view that not match with the reality like: "Don't know what are you talking about, blah, blah, blah..."
The lack of response from CCP staff to this thread is something new to me... And I must say: I really can't understant...
I'm seing the numbers falling - from 30K on that night to 22K in the other weekend... from 20K every night (east) to 13K yesterday... That is not something good to see, I don't want to play 5000 systems alone. I will stay for a wile and as my grandfather always said: "The hope dies in the last".
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