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xpero
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Posted - 2003.10.18 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: xpero on 18/10/2003 04:33:27 lol here we are again, one item in EVE is so frequently used by players and yet no one ponders how that is accomplished. i am talking about antimatter charges. how would it be possibly to contain antimatter ? i have seen NASA's attempts to create antimatter but the rig used for it is HUGE ! and other than that antimatter must be stored in magnetic tubes filled with liquid helium and nitrogen to keep it stable. imagine the rig alone ! and here we use bullet sized pellets filled with antimatter to blast through thick, battle-scared hull of an enemy ship. i am happy to keep this thread active and i dont deny the possibility. however i want to know what everyone thinks and i will discuss this subject further (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
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Tabius
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Posted - 2003.10.18 04:39:00 -
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well, if it were me, I wouldn't actually store the anti-matter inside the bullet casing. Instead, I would create a tinsy tiny collider that actually created the antimatter on impact. Thus releasing its energy at precisely the correct time.
But that's just me, and I'm smarter than everyone else... so take that as you will...
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NGRU Vulture
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Posted - 2003.10.18 04:41:00 -
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LOL Xpero , you for real??? it just a game, show me one example of real Battle ship, or of Inustrial ship, cloning, Implants etc. this is just a damn game 98% of which it fake or imagination of developers. and only exist in virtual world we call EVE no where else Diplomacy it art of saing "good dogy" until you can find a big rock. |
Singular
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Posted - 2003.10.18 05:03:00 -
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Worst...geeeky....comment....ever.
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Grymwulf
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Posted - 2003.10.18 05:28:00 -
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Actually what you would need to do is keep the antimatter contained in a magnetic bottle. the "charges" for hybrid guns are used to create the plasma 'beam' (for want of a better term). So you turn off the power on the charge, and if you kept the matter and antimatter in close proximity they will naturally mix and generate a powerfull explosion. If you manage to control the explosion you can turn it into a plasma 'torch' aka blaster. Now for railguns it is simple, you put enough juice into the charge to hold magnetic field for x seconds. The bigger the railgun, the faster the acceleration along the tube, and better range. Once it hits target, magnetic field is collapsed instant explosion.
simple really.... ___________________________________________ General Protection Fault
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.10.18 05:48:00 -
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NGRU everything you mentioned i can show you, by the way...
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xpero
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Posted - 2003.10.19 03:53:00 -
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Edited by: xpero on 19/10/2003 03:54:45
Quote: LOL Xpero , you for real??? it just a game, show me one example of real Battle ship, or of Inustrial ship, cloning, Implants etc. this is just a damn game 98% of which it fake or imagination of developers. and only exist in virtual world we call EVE no where else
actually that comment is in its entirety an argument. there are technologies developed today that far exceed your conventional appliances that you consider high-tech. in fact, even medical applications today are so "cutting-edge", they are 20 years, if not more, behind actual technological achievement. Next time you see a government agent, make sure to clog your ears and close your eyes
Invasion of nanobot technology has begun ... (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
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xpero
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Posted - 2003.10.19 04:01:00 -
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Quote: Actually what you would need to do is keep the antimatter contained in a magnetic bottle. the "charges" for hybrid guns are used to create the plasma 'beam' (for want of a better term). So you turn off the power on the charge, and if you kept the matter and antimatter in close proximity they will naturally mix and generate a powerfull explosion. If you manage to control the explosion you can turn it into a plasma 'torch' aka blaster. Now for railguns it is simple, you put enough juice into the charge to hold magnetic field for x seconds. The bigger the railgun, the faster the acceleration along the tube, and better range. Once it hits target, magnetic field is collapsed instant explosion.
simple really....
rails operate on a different concept. They use magnetic fields to ACCELERATE a charge to very high velocities. that's why in contact with target, damage is Kinetic. (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
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Grymwulf
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Posted - 2003.10.19 07:57:00 -
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Kinetic and Thermal...
IE fast moving plasma is REAL hot... and hits REAL hard...
Basicly an explosion in space that is traveling so fast that as it explodes the escaping plasma is what hits the target. ___________________________________________ General Protection Fault
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Synex
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Posted - 2003.10.19 10:10:00 -
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Hmm... true, tho the charges aren't ACTUALLY bullet sized...
Take medium charges for example, each charge takes up 0.05m3, meaning you can fit 20 of these charges within a cubed meter. This basically shows that these charges are quite big... which you'd expect when there being fired out of a space ship several hundred meters in length...
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Supersonix
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Posted - 2003.10.19 18:37:00 -
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You probalby don't know what year it is in EVE. The year is 23 341. I think they have come up with some thing to hold back the antimatter in that time . They're probably using obtainum to hold back the antimatter. You who have seen the move "The Core" knows what I'm talking about .
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Steini OFSI
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Posted - 2003.10.19 19:17:00 -
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Besides, one shot with just few micrograms of antimatter would blow the goddam battleship right away.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.19 20:55:00 -
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Once you know nothing is difficult.
Convert Stations
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Fearigus Alba
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Posted - 2003.10.19 22:03:00 -
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Quote: Besides, one shot with just few micrograms of antimatter would blow the goddam battleship right away.
Maybe they only have a few particles per charge? remember E=MC2 and all that
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Fearigus Alba
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Posted - 2003.10.19 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Fearigus Alba on 19/10/2003 22:04:43
Quote: Besides, one shot with just few micrograms of antimatter would blow the goddam battleship right away.
Maybe they only have a few particles per charge? remember E=MC2 and all that
Hmm this got posted twice
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.19 22:06:00 -
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You guys must be sponsored by Texas Instruments?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Fearigus Alba
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Posted - 2003.10.19 22:31:00 -
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Siemens :)
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xpero
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Posted - 2003.10.20 00:26:00 -
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Quote: You probalby don't know what year it is in EVE. The year is 23 341. I think they have come up with some thing to hold back the antimatter in that time . They're probably using obtainum to hold back the antimatter. You who have seen the move "The Core" knows what I'm talking about .
i dont know what you are talking about, but "The Core" is the worst movie to ever hit the screen. and it is sad how u believe everything you see on the big screen. (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
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Supersonix
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Posted - 2003.10.21 23:20:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: You probalby don't know what year it is in EVE. The year is 23 341. I think they have come up with some thing to hold back the antimatter in that time . They're probably using obtainum to hold back the antimatter. You who have seen the move "The Core" knows what I'm talking about .
i dont know what you are talking about, but "The Core" is the worst movie to ever hit the screen. and it is sad how u believe everything you see on the big screen.
I guess you didn't understand the part about obtainium, it was a joke. Noticed the :D smiley after that sentence?
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2003.10.22 00:19:00 -
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*WARNING* *WARNING*
THE GEEKS HAVE BEGUN THEIR INVASION OF PLANET EARTH!
all earthlings not able to fight are ordered to evac imidiatly, all earthlings able to fight are ordered to report to your very manly and muscular drill sgt. imidiatly!
No really lol...wtf are you on about dude!
Eventhough games and movies wich are based in an alternate reality world wich 'might' reflect some distant future and are most of the time based on present day technologies...intesting, unperfected or realised in single events....
It is and remains fiction or...speculation if you will!
Take the ion particle drives in EVE for example...
They accelerate to fast AND they break with the fysics of 0g space where any given object with is continuesly being pushed forward will increase speed infinitly aslong as the engines burn! In EVE you slow down when you turn off your engines..
Also space does not have an up or down...the ships in EVE seems to be smart enough to know what up or down is in space...on the other hand though they are completely incapable of defending themselves when the pilot/commander/captain stops giving out orders (ctd's/goes afk/passes out from tomuch EVE and to little sleep)
The guns!
Why would guns such as projectiles and most hybred charges have an actual range in space??
When a charge type such as a carbonised lead shell becomes fired in space its just gonna keep going untill it hits something...ie infinite range! I can to terms with the fact that some of the shells have a 'time to live' but serious...stuff like lead being fired out of a barrel in space just keeps going.
Also clones are something to consider...
You get a clone for X amount of cash, then this clone becomes cryogenically frozen and his brain hooked up to yours so it learns simultanious to you..
Now all good and well but once you actually DIE its going to be YOU who does the dieing and not your clone. Eventhough your clone looks, act, talks and does everything exactly like you, knows everything you do....its still NOT YOU. Your active consiousness dies when your pod becomes squished and your clone then becomes reanimated....but the person that was you died in that pod!
Now ironically you dont die to the rest of the world. They see you, hear you, blahblah...ITS YOU! Your best friend will confirm that your clone is you because he is exactly like you...but the cruel reality is that 'someone' who is actually a total stranger to you has taken over your life, is spending your money, is making love to your girlfriend.
And to make matters worst. The active conciousness that once was you didnt even get a proper buriel and its remains are instead kept in some pk's freezer to do whatever he pleases with (/me tries not to think of tomuch details).
There is a thousand and one other things that make no sence but the bottom line is...
EVE is fiction. It has some resemblence to real life technologies we know now...this was done on purpose to make the game more realistic, more acceptable and more intresting. It does however not reflect an actual image of what these technologies are or would be like in the future. The golden path down the middle is chosen...easy solutions to dificult problems and it was baptised fiction. It is not 100% acurate with real life, but then it doesnt need to be.
Realism is not always good..
Examples..
-mining; travel! (boring as hell)
-I would not like to freeze behind my computer when my pod is destroyed and the following horros that are bound to this such as the afor mentioned clone instilling himself into what was once your life.
reality <=> fiction
Simularities YES...Acurate mirrors NO
Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.10.22 00:37:00 -
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Quote: *WARNING* *WARNING*
THE GEEKS HAVE BEGUN THEIR INVASION OF PLANET EARTH!
all earthlings not able to fight are ordered to evac imidiatly, all earthlings able to fight are ordered to report to your very manly and muscular drill sgt. imidiatly!
No really lol...wtf are you on about dude!
Eventhough games and movies wich are based in an alternate reality world wich 'might' reflect some distant future and are most of the time based on present day technologies...intesting, unperfected or realised in single events....
It is and remains fiction or...speculation if you will!
Take the ion particle drives in EVE for example...
They accelerate to fast AND they break with the fysics of 0g space where any given object with is continuesly being pushed forward will increase speed infinitly aslong as the engines burn! In EVE you slow down when you turn off your engines..
While this is true you whould assume that a spaceship 23 thousand years from now actually have automatic retrotruster to slow you down to 0 when you tell your ship to. This is afterall how you expect a craft to act.
Quote: Also space does not have an up or down...the ships in EVE seems to be smart enough to know what up or down is in space...on the other hand though they are completely incapable of defending themselves when the pilot/commander/captain stops giving out orders (ctd's/goes afk/passes out from tomuch EVE and to little sleep)
The guns!
Why would guns such as projectiles and most hybred charges have an actual range in space??
When a charge type such as a carbonised lead shell becomes fired in space its just gonna keep going untill it hits something...ie infinite range! I can to terms with the fact that some of the shells have a 'time to live' but serious...stuff like lead being fired out of a barrel in space just keeps going.
while space is really empty even a metal bullet is going to start dissipating at a speed like that. While it might not be entirely realistic it still is like that. For beams it's about the beam loosing focus and for hybrids it's about magnetic containment giving vanishing.
Quote: Also clones are something to consider...
You get a clone for X amount of cash, then this clone becomes cryogenically frozen and his brain hooked up to yours so it learns simultanious to you..
Now all good and well but once you actually DIE its going to be YOU who does the dieing and not your clone. Eventhough your clone looks, act, talks and does everything exactly like you, knows everything you do....its still NOT YOU. Your active consiousness dies when your pod becomes squished and your clone then becomes reanimated....but the person that was you died in that pod!
Now ironically you dont die to the rest of the world. They see you, hear you, blahblah...ITS YOU! Your best friend will confirm that your clone is you because he is exactly like you...but the cruel reality is that 'someone' who is actually a total stranger to you has taken over your life, is spending your money, is making love to your girlfriend.
And to make matters worst. The active conciousness that once was you didnt even get a proper buriel and its remains are instead kept in some pk's freezer to do whatever he pleases with (/me tries not to think of tomuch details).
We currently do not know anything about what our consiousness really is. It might very well be possible to duplicate it so that a version of you could be created. 23 thousand years is a loooong time.
For the rest I agree with you. THis stuff is created for gameplay reasons. Realism can't come before fun ------------------ NoctoZ Black Reign Curse Alliance |
Rohann
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Posted - 2003.10.22 04:19:00 -
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dood its a game get over it
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