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cheru
nemo nobis impune lacessit SynchronizerZ
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Posted - 2006.09.05 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: cheru on 05/09/2006 12:57:31 On my journeys in the North IŠve met quite some R.I.S.Ks (literally speaking :D) there lately.
IŠve heard the name before. I think they were founded as a Pirate Alliance [?] including Sniggs [?], were living in the North and were at war with PA [?] a year ago? Please correct me where IŠm wrong there.
Now they seem to consist of mainly russian Corps [?] - any relations with the RA/RAT group?
Please donŠt tell things where you have to kill me afterwards, but can somebody give me a rough picture of what R.I.S.K is (yeah, haha again) and their history?
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Kuto
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:09:00 -
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No relations with RA and AAA. They are in South, we are in North. Living separately, acting separately.
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Ginaz
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ginaz on 05/09/2006 14:18:41 It's like in the ST:Voyager episode "One year hell" (i think the krenim). They lost the war, they lost alot of stuff due to some illegal isk/dread deals (ebay or whatever they used as platform) and now you have some of those RISK still roaming arround the area... quite lost.
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Pepperami
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:21:00 -
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It was always RUS-SAGA I think.
Although Snigg and Contraband inc were in it for a while against PA, yeah. I seem to remember them saying they'd of remembered to fuel poses PA would of died sooner or somesuch.
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Komolov
Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:27:00 -
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What Pep said.
CONIN and SNIGG were more like mercs for RISK. --------------------
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 05/09/2006 15:51:43 Here's the official history of risk.
It was originally supposed to be a pirate alliance. Hrum of Rus Saga was going to foot the bill, and buy us dreads etc (lol).
R.I.S.K. stands for: R - Rus-Saga I - I think this was ust to make it a word S - SNIGG K - Krom
At some point Phonix was in Krom(after his first round of fairy flower picking), and had basically taken it over while the original leaders were gone. During this period, we were working with them a bit and the thought of creating risk seemed ok at the time.
Then I went on vacation for a bit and Verone and Nightjackel got into a big fight about the whole deal and ****ed off everybody else involved...so we never joined.
But the russians still had the alliance, and they kept it. So several months later when they decided they wanted to take over Branch, they contacted me, and we finally joined Risk for real. Then Hrum proceeded to hire lots of other random mercs and do lots of random silly things and eventually the coalition of mercs fell apart, mainly due to lack of payment...since payment was being distrubuted among so much dead weight.
After things fell apart in branch, Hrum just started over like he always does...although he had some more difficulty because the GM's in PA banned him for having isk slaves.
Shamis
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Nyssa Dakalsai
Cosmic Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:07:00 -
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The 'random' mercs hired were
CONIN and CF
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 05/09/2006 16:12:38
Originally by: Nyssa Dakalsai The 'random' mercs hired were
CONIN and CF
The only mercs that did anything during the risk contract were: - Snigg - Ass (although they disappeared after initial loss of d4r) - Contraband - Clankillers (they came late, and caused problems, but at least helped with some freighter escorts)
Cosmic fusion did nothing other than kill a few PA in empire. They never participated in any of the major 0.0 operations...along with the long list of other random mercs. Hrum hired everybody and their brother. Most were ineffective, or never showed up.
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Kuto
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Posted - 2006.09.05 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kuto on 05/09/2006 16:18:24
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Obivan Efa
The Machines
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Obivan Efa on 05/09/2006 17:11:35 R.I.S.K was formed to crush PA and to take control of Branch. It was the begining of POS warfare ERA.. RISK striked suddenly and succeeded... in spite of many POS bugs RISK climed BKG and D4. RISK brought huge amount of POS's, guns, ammo and resources... took D4 and got clime on BKG - had 30+ POSs and resourses for them on months...
Lordmix - CEO of [ASS] (with our help) stole Dread from PA just from their POS (we pushed out it from bubble with small ships).
Sniggs... Sniggs were responsible for loss of most their POSs in BKG... They just forgot to fuel them in time... All fuel was in BKG system so they have no need to do anything just to take their lazy asses and drag some fuel. So we lost claim.
Sniggs were champions in stupid losing ships.. yep they lost a lot... They are good in paracy but poor in mass combat operations and strategic wars..
Ok it was a failure... We took time for recover and regroup.. Prepared new assault = huge amount of new POSs, ammo, fuel etc.
But... Shamis stole all alliance property = many billions and left alliance..
Lordmix left the game after such perfidious treachery.
So thats the story. Shamis was to us like a brother but turned traitor... a real snake ____________________________
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:11:00 -
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Next time you wish to take a region. Just give me the isk and step aside.
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Usamo
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Next time you wish to take a region. Just give me the isk and step aside.
And will be no isk and no region...
P.S. I hope u sleep well
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Brisi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.09.05 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Usamo Edited by: Usamo on 05/09/2006 17:21:03
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Next time you wish to take a region. Just give me the isk and step aside.
And will be no isk and no region...
P.S. I hope u sleep well, Thief
Maybe Shamis decided that the POS's were ours after SNIGG did all the fighting and then payment suddenly stopped for several months.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
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cheru
nemo nobis impune lacessit SynchronizerZ
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Posted - 2006.09.05 18:21:00 -
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Many thanks for the infos everybody! :)
Please donŠt get the thread locked for flaming in case somebody wants to add more.
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.09.05 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Obivan Efa But... Shamis stole all alliance property = many billions and left alliance..
Lordmix left the game after such perfidious treachery.
Yes, I kept the pos's as payment for services rendered.
I oraganized the entire 2nd invasion. I escorted every frieghter full of supplies, I led every major combat operation. I advised you on how to maintain the alliance, and how to achieve victory. Instead you wasted your isk on many useless things and failed to pay the corps that needed to be payed. So...the night before the 2nd invasion clankillers and Contraband both decided to leave the alliance.
With no troops other than snigg (and what was left of ass since mix's disappearance) I decided to call off the invasion. Then I heard of more talk to hire a new set of mercs. At this point I decided to cut my losses. I had spent nearly all of my free time for months trying to complete the job...but it was impossible to finish the job with the employer constantly undermining my efforts.
So we bailed. We left the alliance, and kept the pos's. At the beginning of the contract there was a weekly fee negotiated which was agreed to by both parties. This weekly fee had not been payed since the contract started, and thus, the pos's were kept as payment.
Lordmix was inactive before this happened. And he happily walked away with 2 dreadnaughts. He disappeared after we lost D4R.
D4R was lost when I forgot to refuel the pos's in D4R. The pos's in BGK were fine. Running 30 pos's while leading most combat and escort ops was too difficult. The russians never wanted me to take D4R...but I took it becuase I knew it was the only way to secure a foothold in the region. And I was right.
Without SNIGG, you would have never claimed anything in branch, and your invasion would have ended much sooner than it did.
Shamis
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dailyhazard
Caldari Unauthorised.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 05/09/2006 16:12:38
Originally by: Nyssa Dakalsai The 'random' mercs hired were
CONIN and CF
The only mercs that did anything during the risk contract were: - Snigg - Ass (although they disappeared after initial loss of d4r) - Contraband - Clankillers (they came late, and caused problems, but at least helped with some freighter escorts)
Cosmic fusion did nothing other than kill a few PA in empire. They never participated in any of the major 0.0 operations...along with the long list of other random mercs. Hrum hired everybody and their brother. Most were ineffective, or never showed up.
i'll think thats you'll find thats what we were hired for. May i also just say, what exactly did s******dly get hired for, sit in 0.4 and kill newbs all day? because i can guarentee, you still probably did that badly.
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Spartan239
Caldari Regeneration Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.05 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 05/09/2006 16:12:38
Originally by: Nyssa Dakalsai The 'random' mercs hired were
CONIN and CF
The only mercs that did anything during the risk contract were: - Snigg - Ass (although they disappeared after initial loss of d4r) - Contraband - Clankillers (they came late, and caused problems, but at least helped with some freighter escorts)
Cosmic fusion did nothing other than kill a few PA in empire. They never participated in any of the major 0.0 operations...along with the long list of other random mercs. Hrum hired everybody and their brother. Most were ineffective, or never showed up.
Funny we were hired to shoot PA in empire and thats what we did.
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.09.05 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: dailyhazard
i'll think thats you'll find thats what we were hired for. May i also just say, what exactly did s******dly get hired for, sit in 0.4 and kill newbs all day? because i can guarentee, you still probably did that badly.
Sorry to have offended. I'm not saying CF is a bad corp, I'm only saying that they were not useful towards the goal of conquering branch. If that is what you were hired to do, then you did your job. The problem was with the employer, not you.
I can assure you that we are quite good at killing noobs in .4 all day, but we did none of that during the contract.
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Amano Uzume
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.09.05 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Amano Uzume on 05/09/2006 21:56:08 Edited by: Amano Uzume on 05/09/2006 21:50:39 i was one of the pa leadership at this time and Shamis Orzoz said what happened. we fought hard with lots of pa carebearing while risk was there and got claim. pa had more than 300 people in alliance chat while there were only 10% in gang.
this was so frustrating for me and i left pa after we got bkg back and defeated all risk pos.
i further remember that painball did a great job in fighting for pa at this time.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.09.05 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Obivan Efa Whatever
Lol, the only russian to ever join any of the gangs was Hrum and even then he was there spodorically. You obviously have no clue. ----
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.09.05 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Originally by: Obivan Efa Whatever
Lol, the only russian to ever join any of the gangs was Hrum and even then he was there spodorically. You obviously have no clue.
Well, he probably knows more than you think...since that is one of hrum's many alts. But he probably doesn't want to admit that, lest the GM's track him down again...although I suppose GTC's have made his entire operation legit now
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 23:13:00 -
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Shamis's recollection is pretty accurate.
He did an awesome job of organising the logistics and the gangs out there were pretty effective (they can do more than gank noobs in an 0.4 system)
Involvement did pretty much fall apart when payment dried up. Shamis gave this effort his full support, whoever called him a thief has a somewhat warped perspective of events (since it prolly cost them RL iskies)
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Trevedian
Amarr KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.09.06 01:17:00 -
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The original founders (Elisium Dammar, Spacepervo, & Myself) of Kr0m were against us joining R.I.S.K. because we saw no benefit to us. But Hrum had lotsa Russian peasants farming for him and an insane amount of isk, Phonix (who never did much in Kr0m) received 5 bil up front for us to join R.I.S.K. but the rest of the Kr0m members got nothing... Well okay, I got some free HAC's, but not much...
The full Hrum story is stranger than fiction, a Russian mobster/banker paying college students rl cash via online money transfers to help him kill people in a video game, paying ppl ISK to teach him english via VentriloÖ, and offering free hunting trips to Russia not being the least of which... But I've no doubt he is back...
I hope I don't get in trouble posting this, but people that were close to the situation know what I'm talking about.
In any case, I'm glad they made a comeback... Too many inactive alliances out there already...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Krystian
Caldari No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.06 02:22:00 -
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Wow this story seems too familiar...
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Obivan Efa
The Machines
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Posted - 2006.09.06 05:58:00 -
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Lordmix gave all his ships and property to Hrum after Shamis fraud..
Sniggs better keep silent 'bout their "great" work there..
I can tell u many interesting stories 'bout several huge stupid loses.. I remember like Sniggs lost great numbers of their ships then they get into PA's blob... but our intelligence alarmed them.
Sniggs floped a lot..
But most idiotic sninggs action was then they just forgot to fuel ready POSs... After such noob thing a lot of good pilots left Alliance.. They just could not stand such absurd commanding.. Yes Shamis got all authority...
So don't pull my leg.. U had all abilities and power but failed again and again.. Most of fails were not unbiassed - they were stupid.
Sniggs are poor mercenary...
U can tell all u want but it's the fact.. Sniggs are nothingness and Shamis is a nobody. ____________________________
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Swor
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.09.06 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Obivan Efa Sniggs are nothingness and Shamis is a nobody.
damn i hope i get featured in EON for being a nobody leading a nothing corp for 3 years
to the OP - this topic is akin to ripping open a deep, deep wound... no offence to you, i'm sure you don't know better.
I wasn't there, but with my time in S******dly i know its not really a topic to bring up. many corps and players suffered from the whole branch contract, on both sides.
take it as you would take anything, use it as a lesson to use in the future. mistakes get made, thats war, nothing you can do to prevent them, just don't make the same mistake again
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Obivan Efa
The Machines
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Posted - 2006.09.06 08:25:00 -
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I think this topic should R.I.P.
I have no desire for heated debates. ____________________________
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Obivan Efa
The Machines
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Posted - 2006.09.06 08:46:00 -
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And one more thing..
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Well, he probably knows more than you think...since that is one of hrum's many alts. But he probably doesn't want to admit that, lest the GM's track him down again...although I suppose GTC's have made his entire operation legit now
My char have never been in ownership of Hrum or smb else but me. Hrum didn't pay us - we fought for future Alliance and for free. I did't get in any "black" deals involved.. and know nothing about such things. U can ask GM to check it up ... but if all is clear will u accept a ban for faked charges? ____________________________
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Sandborn
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Obivan Efa Lordmix gave all his ships and property to Hrum after Shamis fraud..
Sniggs better keep silent 'bout their "great" work there..
I can tell u many interesting stories 'bout several huge stupid loses.. I remember like Sniggs lost great numbers of their ships then they get into PA's blob... but our intelligence alarmed them.
Sniggs floped a lot..
But most idiotic sninggs action was then they just forgot to fuel ready POSs... After such noob thing a lot of good pilots left Alliance.. They just could not stand such absurd commanding..
Erm, no, Lordmix did not return the dread he was given/loaned nor the dread we stole from PA. I know this for a fact as he was in Contraband Inc. for a while playing out his last days, and kept one of those dreads for himself and sold the other to a CONIN member. After a while he got bored/frutrated/whatever with the game (seemed quite depressed most of the time from what I recall) and eventually just dissapeared.
Shamis's recollection is highly accurate. S******dly, under the leadership of Shamis, did an amazing job bringing the small forces of RISK (usually around 200 - 300ish depending upon which mercs were in the alliance at the time), against the combined forces of PA, FE, NBSI. We fought well over 3000 combined pilots through those alliances, with about 10% their forces, and most of the time we raped them through superior skills, experience, and tactics. There were some battles we should have won while heavily outnumbered, but lost due to the horrible lag (which was made worse by the then pre-drone patch lag).
The simple fact is, Hrum made promises to pay people certain amount of iskies, while the russians were nowhere to be seen, and the few around were often times doing retarded things like flying around Rattlesnakes without instas alone in enemy territory. Initially, Hrum made the promised payments, but those dried up after week one. While he had the isk in his wallet, he basicly decided at one point to go on a power trip, at first promising to send the isk, and then eventually admitting he wasn't going to pay what was owed until the whole of pa was crushed and this and that and the Five were made "brothers" etc, etc. All in all, he lost his mind, the mercs who were losing hundreds of mil isk a day without the promised payments got tired of a deadbeat employer, and left.
Before RISK, I didn't have much of an opinion of Snigg as all I knew was they were small gang pirates. The RISK contract changed my point of view completely. Shamis did an amazing job leading a group of mercs who usually shot each other, to unbelievable logistical and tactical victories. Yeah, there was a mess up with fueling pos's, mostly because they guy was spending almost every waking minute not at work in RL, in eve trying to run it all on his own, and made one costly slip up.
The thing I find amusing is this Obivan saying stuff that's not even containing a shred of fact, especially considering every major merc corp in that alliance stated publicly when leaving that the employer was a deadbeat who went back on his word. All in all, CONIN lost billions due to the lack of payment, not to mention Will9Anthony stole billions of isk of our ships and equipment in his frieghter which was supposed to be moved for us.
All in all, during CONIN's stay in the alliance, the PVP was almost always a one sided victory for us. Stupidly amazing victory considering we were deep in enemy space, with less resources, isk, and far, far less man power. For a moment there, PA was on the verge of collapse, FE was trying to make secret deals to backstab PA and ally with RISK, and NBSI were breaking up. IF the employer hadn't gone back on the deal, I'd be willing to bet everything I have that RISK would have taken BKG / D4 and held them and killed PA. Of course, the russions woulda lost it 2 weeks later.... |
Obivan Efa
The Machines
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Posted - 2006.09.06 09:30:00 -
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Ask GM to show Shamis transactions of that time and u will see how much Hrum payed him for this operation... I suppose Shamis cheated not only Hrum and RISK but also his corpmembers... IMHO.. ____________________________
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