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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
293
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:55:51 -
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I like this change, good job CCP.
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Komi Toran
Paragon Trust The Bastion
396
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:57:37 -
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Curse you, CCP! Now what am I to use to scapegoat all my problems!? |
FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
37
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:58:31 -
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Xython wrote:corebloodbrothers wrote:Also the dude iskboxing 20 mining accounts wasnt going to use those too activly use those to make eve a more exciting place, rather then his own gain. "The dude" is up to over 80, actually, according ot the iskboxer dev.
funny thing is... he doesn't actualy need "broadcasting"/"automation functions".. and i hope he keeps mining them ice :D |
Cyaron wars
My Little Pony Industries Inc. Out of Sight.
88
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:58:38 -
[634] - Quote
Wait, no more single player 10 man talos gangs in sanctums around Deklein region? |
Raneru
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
70
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:00:00 -
[635] - Quote
Epic change.
Seriously, if you want to control an entire fleet of ships simultaneously and single handedly, go play Sins of a solar empire.. |
trader joes Ichinumi
Waltaratzor Corporation
43
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:00:12 -
[636] - Quote
Gommel Nox wrote:Aerious wrote:Goon tears are the best tears! Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have. In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor planning, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.
Reread the op. It specifically targets people using macros to control multiple clients at once. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17939
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:00:21 -
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Komi Toran wrote:Curse you, CCP! Now what am I to use to scapegoat all my problems!?
AFK Cloaking, Highsec Ganking, Goons, CODE., and General Discussion Trolls are all pretty solid bets. Take your pick.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Algathas
Wraithguard. Dirt Nap Squad.
44
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:00:26 -
[638] - Quote
Thank you CCP for having the guts to finally do what needed to be done to remove this scourge from EVE. |
Kagehisa Shintaro
We Make Weapons
9
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:00:45 -
[639] - Quote
Phoenix Jones wrote:Toria Nynys wrote:With everyone screaming about unsubbing as a result of that I just have to pipe up with:
+4 accounts re-subbed while my ISK lasts and 1 with $. After thinking about it longer this is a fantastic and long overdue policy change.
Hell I'm debating on making a 3rd account now. What CCP lost is 100 people who used ingame plex to destroy ccp's bandwidth (CCP never saw a dime). Maybe I'm wrong and the guy who had 80 accounts actually paid $1,200 per month to keep them all running. I doubt it. Bravo CCP. Bravo.
Whether he paid Gé¼/$ or PLEX'ed off market matters not. Someone paid for the PLEX. CCP got their dime ($15 worth of dimes, times 80)
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Angus McRothimay
Norse Complex Inc
6
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:01:02 -
[640] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Jvpiter wrote:Angus McRothimay wrote:However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.
The cost of subscription is always paid with real money. There may simply be less buyers of PLEX but we don't have enough information to make a definitive conclusion. Less buyers who buy PLEX no matter the cost. The usual market forces should kick in now and start balancing things out at a more normal level.
I was wondering - Do you think a drop in the price of Plex would be caused by more people buying Plex with real money thus increasing supply or less people buying them with ISK reducing demand? |
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kraken11 jensen
Californian CottonPickers
4
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:01:46 -
[641] - Quote
FunGu Arsten wrote:Xython wrote:corebloodbrothers wrote:Also the dude iskboxing 20 mining accounts wasnt going to use those too activly use those to make eve a more exciting place, rather then his own gain. "The dude" is up to over 80, actually, according ot the iskboxer dev. funny thing is... he doesn't actualy need "broadcasting"/"automation functions".. and i hope he keeps mining them ice :D
Same here, :) no need for brodcasting mining tho. The only thing thats Nice (in my eyes) is the abillety so set the eve Clients nicely stacked ( And in talking about when mining) |
Utari Onzo
united system's commonwealth
41
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:01:49 -
[642] - Quote
Gommel Nox wrote:Aerious wrote:Goon tears are the best tears! Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have. In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor planning, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.
I've already posted this multiple times, but KEYBINDINGS are not banned, that should include custom machros so long as they're not used for multi broadcast
If you use voice recognition software/macro to send ONE command to ONE client at a time, you are OK. It's sending ONE command to MULTIPLE clients AT THE SAME TIME that is banned. |
Dr Cooper
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Triumvirate.
2
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:02:46 -
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Thanks for this brave decision.
I know it was not easy to take, but most of players don't use input multiboxing.
In my opinion, it's cheating. Multiboxing is creating inflation on the economy and don't respect the majority of players.
Nobody can fly 10 pvp ship without a third software, so it's normal to forbid it.
GOOD JOB CCP !!!!
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Trogdor Losshelin
Everlasting Vendetta.
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:03:03 -
[644] - Quote
SO, this does nothing to ISBoxer, just FYI. It does mean we have to change some stuff (us lazy boxers).
So, you put 10 dps overview windows next to each other and click each one in order. - Targeting fixed You put two watchlists next to eachother and click each one in order.- Logi fixed You put targeting windows next to eachother and click each one in order. - Additional Target managment issues fixed. Or you use drones, which now only requires drone assist to be manual. - Mutiboxing Fixed.
Take a look at this pic.
http://teabbs.com/images/arcpvp6x.jpg
Just click down the line on what you want to target or shoot or the module you want to activate = win.
This is impossible for 20+ accounts but honestly most of us Multi-boxers don't like those dudes anyways.
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1276
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:03:24 -
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So... all you ISBoxer people quitting... can I have all your stuff? I mean, seriously, that stuff from that many accounts could really fund me to play EVE for the rest of my life. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Conference Elite CODE.
1137
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:05:07 -
[646] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Komi Toran wrote:Curse you, CCP! Now what am I to use to scapegoat all my problems!? AFK Cloaking, Highsec Ganking, Goons, CODE., and General Discussion Trolls are all pretty solid bets. Take your pick. GOD DAMNIT MAN! That was perfectly good coffee that I just spit out!
As someone who started using isboxer recently, I'm glad to see it go.
New player resources:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information
http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP
http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
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Vera Denjuros
Murderbears Inc.
19
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:05:22 -
[647] - Quote
Systimus wrote:I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.
If you cant manage to multibox 4 chars without Isboxer then you should just unsub right now, jebus |
Gommel Nox
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:05:39 -
[648] - Quote
Utari Onzo wrote:Gommel Nox wrote:Aerious wrote:Goon tears are the best tears! Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have. In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor planning, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself. I've already posted this multiple times, but KEYBINDINGS are not banned, that should include custom machros so long as they're not used for multi broadcast If you use voice recognition software/macro to send ONE command to ONE client at a time, you are OK. It's sending ONE command to MULTIPLE clients AT THE SAME TIME that is banned.
Thanks for clarifying, but you'll forgive me if I'd rather get the word of the developers over yours. I'm sure you are very important in ways that your mother appreciates, but you don't make this game, do you?
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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
183
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:06:03 -
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Gommel Nox wrote:Aerious wrote:Goon tears are the best tears! Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have. In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor playing, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.
Contact CCP directly about his. They have always shown a willingness to listen and be reasonable. Your circumstances may merit special considerations. |
kraken11 jensen
Californian CottonPickers
4
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:06:04 -
[650] - Quote
Grim Starwind wrote:Holy crap, how some people can't understand this and yet still manage to play EVE is amazing.
If you use a program to somehow input the same action in to more than one account at the exact same time, you are being illegal. It is not allowed.
If you have a keyboard macro that inputs F1-F5 one after the other to activate say a bunch of hardness. That is okay.
Pretty basic poop here. I dunno if it's more to counter isboxer bombers or more than likely farmers mining using 10 accounts all at once. Which you can still do but with more effort.
Not unallowed yet :) |
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KeeperRus
Exanimo Inc Gentlemen's.Club
2
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:06:11 -
[651] - Quote
FunGu Arsten wrote:Xython wrote:corebloodbrothers wrote:Also the dude iskboxing 20 mining accounts wasnt going to use those too activly use those to make eve a more exciting place, rather then his own gain. "The dude" is up to over 80, actually, according ot the iskboxer dev. funny thing is... he doesn't actualy need "broadcasting"/"automation functions".. and i hope he keeps mining them ice :D
That is what I have been trying to say... This so called nerf to ISboxer does nothing. Why? Because a very very small percentage that used ISboxer multi broadcast while the majority used it with single.
So this hoopla that woot GJ CCP does nothing. They will still play, still kill you and in more numbers than 10 =)
Props to the guy who ran 30 accounts in pvp cause I have seen him do a 30 man fleet better than most of the 30 man fleets in eve.
Again lets recap:
1. Changes nothing. 2. You are still gonna die. 3. One guy can and will still do incursions with 10 acc. 4. Whoever used multi for mining or pvp anyways? I mean really? 5. Plex prices? Seriously? That's not changing anytime soon either. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland The 99 Percent
887
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:06:19 -
[652] - Quote
Daniel Jackson wrote:o i only bind the keys to like broadcast for reps, broadcast for shields etc to make it easier to know where the keys are insted of pressing multiple of keys to do that function
and sometimes i use the gkeys to add a fraction second or multi second delay in a ungrouped weapon configuration so they fire constantly
is both illegal now?
As far as remapping shortcuts, you can already do that in Eve. So I'm sure thats fine.
But, you have a keybind that not only presses the fire buttons for you, but also presses them at a specific interval that matches the firing rate of another bound weapon system? I'd call that input automation, m8.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Loan--Wolf
Utter-Chaos
17
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:06:25 -
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about dam time isboxer is stoped
and to all the people yelling im unsubing 500 accounts to try and force ccp from the change is prof enouff that isboxer is harming eve in the first place |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
332
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:07:07 -
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Gommel Nox wrote:Aerious wrote:Goon tears are the best tears! Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have. In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor playing, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself.
Your best bet on this would be to file a specific petition including as much detail as possible on your setup. Your situation is so unique that I would seek individual clarification.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Bisu Deckryder
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
14
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:07:18 -
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Gommel Nox wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:Gommel Nox wrote:Aerious wrote:Goon tears are the best tears! Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have. In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor planning, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself. I've already posted this multiple times, but KEYBINDINGS are not banned, that should include custom machros so long as they're not used for multi broadcast If you use voice recognition software/macro to send ONE command to ONE client at a time, you are OK. It's sending ONE command to MULTIPLE clients AT THE SAME TIME that is banned. Thanks for clarifying, but you'll forgive me if I'd rather get the word of the developers over yours. I'm sure you are very important in ways that your mother appreciates, but you don't make this game, do you? CCP has also answered that question. Maybe try reading? |
Demitrios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Fatal Ascension
16
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:07:23 -
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Like this argument hasn't come up before...
So kudos to CCP for going full re-tard, at least we have Elite Dangerous. |
Cyrus Doul
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
7
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:07:57 -
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I isbox 5 accounts and i do still pay for the game with CC, and have to buy plex to sell all the time to make isk, 6 years into this game and I'm still terrible
Also for the love of god people. when someone isboxes and gets enough to run 20 accounts. that IS 20 SUBS WORTH OF MONEY! its actually more as month to month is 15 dollars for a total of 300 a month. where plex is 20 dollars for a total of 400 a month. CCP makes more off isboxers then they do you. |
kraken11 jensen
Californian CottonPickers
4
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:08:12 -
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KeeperRus wrote:FunGu Arsten wrote:Xython wrote:corebloodbrothers wrote:Also the dude iskboxing 20 mining accounts wasnt going to use those too activly use those to make eve a more exciting place, rather then his own gain. "The dude" is up to over 80, actually, according ot the iskboxer dev. funny thing is... he doesn't actualy need "broadcasting"/"automation functions".. and i hope he keeps mining them ice :D That is what I have been trying to say... This so called nerf to ISboxer does nothing. Why? Because a very very small percentage that used ISboxer multi broadcast while the majority used it with single. So this hoopla that woot GJ CCP does nothing. They will still play, still kill you and in more numbers than 10 =) Props to the guy who ran 30 accounts in pvp cause I have seen him do a 30 man fleet better than most of the 30 man fleets in eve. Again lets recap: 1. Changes nothing. 2. You are still gonna die. 3. One guy can and will still do incursions with 10 acc. 4. Whoever used multi for mining or pvp anyways? I mean really? 5. Plex prices? Seriously? That's not changing anytime soon either.
:), lets hope so. it would've been funny to die to him (lol) |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
332
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:08:37 -
[659] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Komi Toran wrote:Curse you, CCP! Now what am I to use to scapegoat all my problems!? AFK Cloaking, Highsec Ganking, Goons, CODE., and General Discussion Trolls are all pretty solid bets. Take your pick.
I would blame you, U@E, but it's obvious you cannot be the cause of my problems, because if you were, you would be unsuccesful at causing the problems in the first place.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Toria Nynys
Surly Dinos
1
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:09:01 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Toria Nynys wrote:With everyone screaming about unsubbing as a result of that I just have to pipe up with:
+4 accounts re-subbed while my ISK lasts and 1 with $. After thinking about it longer this is a fantastic and long overdue policy change.
Hell I'm debating on making a 3rd account now. What CCP lost is 100 people who used ingame plex to destroy ccp's bandwidth (CCP never saw a dime). Maybe I'm wrong and the guy who had 80 accounts actually paid $1,200 per month to keep them all running. I doubt it. Bravo CCP. Bravo.
Well, someone had to have bought the PLEX at some point, so a lost account is still a lost account. In fact, CCP get more $ per plexed account than one subbed a year at a time -- my $131.40 would bring in nearly $240 if paid for in PLEX.
Still, I think we should spread the word re: supporting CCP for this change. Around 2010 I unsubbed all 3 of my accounts for *years* as a result of "greed is good." Now that CCP has changed the game for the better I think I owe them some income. 4B a month is gonna hurt a bunch (heck, it took me 6 months to make my first billion!) but I'm going to spread the word. If people like this change then they should consider pitching in for a PLEX to reactivate an old useless account or even start a new alt. Support the game changes you like with $!
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