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Charadrass
Angry Germans
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:39:01 -
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Tiberius Zol wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote: Wrong, actually. A better tl;dr would be: People want CCP to stop killing emergent gameplay simply because a select few individuals cried about it long enough. Especially since this program does not violate any part of 6A2 and input broadcasting is nowhere to be found in the EULA. CCP might as well remove fleets and declare that you can't fly with your friends..
The only "minority" crying for about 200 pages, are you few guys who desperately search for workarounds to use your tools. You want CCP to justify their bans? They don't have to. You want to dictate CCP how they have to work? Good luck. You say, you pay for it? No one soerce you to do. Just leave the game. Maybe it is not obvious to you few guys, but CCP can ban whoever they want without a reason. And using tools like you do is a good reason. You didn't get banned yet? Lucky guys. But this doesn't mean you're right and CCP wrong.
The only "minority" crying for about 200 pages, are you few guys who desperately search for workarounds to use your tools. - not everyone is writing in the forums you should know that. you cant extrapolate the numbers posting to the numbers against or for multiboxing. you just cant
You want CCP to justify their bans? They don't have to. - yes they have to, at least me is paying a lot of his accounts with real money. if they ban me without justifying that, they would get a problem with my lawyer. so does any other service provider which ccp is. nothing more. a service provider. they can't just cut you out without justifying why. if you break the rules with botting, ok, but they have to proof it. and don't try to make it laughable with the famous "its only a game" sentence. it is real money which we give ccp.
You want to dictate CCP how they have to work? Good luck. - You should really buy goggles,. We dont want to dictate CCP anything. We do want CCP to ANSWER CUSTOMER QUESTIONS.. and that is not a dictate, that is mandatory for a service provider. We are paying their salary.
You say, you pay for it? No one soerce you to do. Just leave the game. - If youre paying for a service. like we do. and you change the service one sided. and you cant use the service the way you are used to, you are able to go to court. not a lot of players would do that, but you have that option on the table. i know at least one multiboxer who is still using broadcast cause he took a lawyer and wrote ccp that he would took them to court if he get banned. no i dont took the lawyer. i prefer trying to talk with ccp. still no answer. sadly... |
Aru Kacbis Danvill
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:43:15 -
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Like I said Mr Tard... Just wait till the other boxers are ready to "go to the lawyer" as Chara put it. I'm already ready to sue and get my subs returned; All the way back to 07. And im 95% Sure if/when it comes to that that a mass tort will go through. [Returning subs to more than just one person at once; welcome to legalitys]
And Yes; Any logical person would understand my rightous fury against CCP. I've explained the situation CCP has caused to so many people, and its so easy to explain in layman terms, that they all agree we should've done stopped talking and sue'd [Esp my almost-lawyer relatives who've been dealing in legal BS for 40yrs]
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2z1dn6/isboxer_essay/
https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037717_10202501843106735_4596834953263635890_n.jpg?oh=940016d62d1e31a87ecc7362438ee1c6&oe=557244E3
Yep..
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4140
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:43:24 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post.
The Rules: 31. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Aru Kacbis Danvill
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:55:08 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed a rule breaking post. The Rules:31. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts.
Nothing in my post was abuse of CCP or ISD; Nice censorship. Thanks for showing EXACTLY why i'm furious with CCP. And instead of doing anything helpful; you still moderate into oblivion. What a joke.
Like I asked before; Googling the definition of "Communication" and "Liaison"; One gets the question, Whom is the ISD a communication liaison for? Certainly isn't for everybody equally. [Past action defines outlook].
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2z1dn6/isboxer_essay/
https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11037717_10202501843106735_4596834953263635890_n.jpg?oh=940016d62d1e31a87ecc7362438ee1c6&oe=557244E3
Yep..
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
379
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Posted - 2015.03.27 11:51:20 -
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Sir Constantin wrote:TLDR: People want VFX to be allowed so they can import pieces of Eve into their 3'rd party software on pc or tablets so they can go fullretard there with rollovers and all the things.
How about HTFU and play the game as we 99% of players do. I think you would be unhappily surprised at how few players use a single character.
I've said it before and still believe - Multi boxers are the backbone of Eve, without them, it would be a very different game. 20,000 individual accounts subbed every month is not going to keep CCP afloat, hell that wouldn't even pay the electricity bill. Whereas 1 person subbing 20 accounts a month multiplied by the amount of multi boxers = money in the bank. Just in the small group I play the game with, there are a little over 100 individual accounts spread between 8 of us. (around 80 of which are now unsubbed or will be when current game time expires)
CCP keep making multiboxing rules vaguer and vaguer, with no clear instructions/rules for players (paying customers). Eventually multiboxers stop subbing multiple accounts, personally i have gone from 11 down to 2 and have intention of resubbing more until CCP publishes clear precise rules for multiboxers.
I don't want to take the chance of breaking some vague, subsection of the EULA which depending on who's interpreting it can be used to ban me. Easy fix - No more multiboxing.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
196
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Posted - 2015.03.27 12:37:13 -
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Charadrass wrote: I could play with my 10 boxes solo.
Sure people can continue to multibox 10+ accounts, and they will.
CCP really doesn't mind if you multibox with a few accounts, so they really can't ban the 10+ account people and leave alone the few account people as that would look bad. Nor would they want to, as the people with just a couple accounts are not on a level playing field with large groups, so there isn't a problem.
But what they can do, and have done, is take away the tools that a player with 10+ accounts have to level the playing field against larger groups. They don't want the solo players to be effective against the group players, so they have removed a tool that allowed the solo player to be effective against the group players. CCP doesn't mind you being a solo player as long as you can't defend yourself against larger groups.
Anyway, just a theory. I use to have 12 accounts and peacefully mined ice in Providence. With ISBoxer I was able to defend myself against larger hostile groups. Now I no longer have the tools to do that. As a solo player that limits my options, hence the whole CCP doesn't want you to be a solo player theory. CCP is trying to force solo players to abandon their play style or be demoted into irrelevance.
It's CCPs game, they can do what they want. But at least now I have a good idea the "why" behind the madness :-) |
Charadrass
Angry Germans
214
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:09:58 -
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so your point is that ccp is banning players who use their boxes against others?
possible. but a larger group is always able to take out a boxer. you just have to shoot the anchor :P |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
805
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Posted - 2015.03.27 14:18:30 -
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Charadrass wrote:so your point is that ccp is banning players who use their boxes against others? possible. but a larger group is always able to take out a boxer. you just have to shoot the anchor :P
Hell, even a smaller group is able to take out a boxer. EWAR is there for a reason. There's a video out there of a multiboxer using Harbingers who was destroyed by a smaller group because of EWAR and fitting. |
eXeler0n
turaagaq GANOR INC.
497
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Posted - 2015.03.27 15:51:36 -
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I have to say, that Charadrass is totally right.
I hate it, that I can't play more characters at the same time as my own personal skills allow me to. Unfortunately CCP has not integrated any multiboxing functionality into the client and also they banned every external tools that helps me to achive more then I could only with my personal skills.
I think this is unfair, as I now have to play as a normal player and can't feel any better, stronger or even cooler then other players. May I should quit Eve because now I have realized that I'm not a pro-gramer. Instead I'm only a small player like all the other players out there and because of this I feel really mad.
Instead of adepting this I think it's the best way to flame the forums and threaten other players and CCP with my lawyer. This is the only educated and mature way to handle my own inability to play (or leave) a game the way the create intended it to.
eXeler0n
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
196
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:07:23 -
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eXeler0n wrote:I have to say, that Charadrass is totally right.
I hate it, that I can't play more characters at the same time as my own personal skills allow me to. Unfortunately CCP has not integrated any multiboxing functionality into the client and also they banned every external tools that helps me to achive more then I could only with my personal skills.
I think this is unfair, as I now have to play as a normal player and can't feel any better, stronger or even cooler then other players. May I should quit Eve because now I have realized that I'm not a pro-gramer. Instead I'm only a small player like all the other players out there and because of this I feel really mad.
Instead of adepting this I think it's the best way to flame the forums and threaten other players and CCP with my lawyer. This is the only educated and mature way to handle my own inability to play (or leave) a game the way the create intended it to.
Exactly my point. CCP doesn't want solo players to have tools to compete with groups. If you don't want to join a group then you just have to live with the fact that CCP sees you as a second class citizen of the game. |
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
805
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:15:39 -
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eXeler0n wrote:cherry picking fallacy, straw man fallacy, and wrong to boot
1/10 made me respond. 1) ISBoxer does not allow a player to exceed the ISK/hour that an identical fleet can earn. ISBoxer does not allow a player to take a trip to Europe and let the program continue to earn ISK for the player. ISBoxer does not modify a player's guns to do 140k alpha every second with perfect tracking and 250km optimal.
2) We did adapt by using RoundRobin and Rollover, as well as VideoFX dashboards. ISBoxer's Round Robin and Rollover features are allowed by CCP Falcon's own statements but we've been banned for using them.
2.5) We just had a 5-boxer who was banned while mining in a belt without using any broadcasting tools.
3) While I do not agree with Aru's methods, if that is what it takes to get CCP to respond, then so be it.
4) The fact remains that ISBoxer does nothing to break the EULA that is not also broken by Fraps and other video recording software, as well as EVE-O Preview, TS3, Mumble, and Steam, not to mention KVM Switches, which were explicitly allowed by CCP. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5254
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:22:07 -
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Jason Xado wrote:Exactly my point. CCP doesn't want solo players to have tools to compete with groups. If you don't want to join a group then you just have to live with the fact that CCP sees you as a second class citizen of the game. But then their method of banning doesn't prevent the use of tools, and puts manual multiboxers at risk too. If you have 3 monitors and 12 accounts tiled, you will be able to react as fast as someone using VideoFX and efficiently using that setup will likely result in a ban a few months down the line. At the same time, someone using VFX/round robin but not being overly efficient is likely to survive a lot longer. They have no method of detecting how you are playing, they've made that clear. They are analysing your gameplay data, and if you play substantially more efficiently than the average player, you're assumed to be using tools.
In the meantime, players like myself get to continue happily using trading tools which are fully within the EULA to make orders of magnitude more than any multiboxer gets for their effort and with considerably less accounts. Quite honestly they've got their priorities twisted and are kicking some of the most dedicated players who have invested thousands into the game in the nuts to appease people who whine that "their" ice is being taken, which amusingly still happens.
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Charadrass
Angry Germans
214
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:24:20 -
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Ignore exeleron for 1. his post is getting deleted for trolling and 2. he hates me anyway.
thank you fanboy :) |
eXeler0n
turaagaq GANOR INC.
498
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:28:25 -
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It allows a single player to be minimum as efficient as a good group. Because of the lack of human errors (alpha dmg for example) they often perform even better then the same number of chars that are controlled by induvidual players.
I would search for my calculations I made already in german forums, but as Charadrass showed me, it is useless to show this to most ISBoxers, as they don't understand them.
ISBoxers should get skill, friends, play as intended or simply leave the game. They use tools only if they aren't able to do one of the previous mentioned things.
P.s. May your new tools are different, but I can't understand, why players are unable to play a game as intended. Especially if they say that there is no difference to the intended way?
eXeler0n
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eXeler0n
turaagaq GANOR INC.
498
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:29:57 -
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Charadrass wrote:Ignore exeleron for 1. his post is getting deleted for trolling and 2. he hates me anyway.
thank you fanboy :)
It's not hate, my dear Charadrass. It's pity.
eXeler0n
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
196
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Posted - 2015.03.27 16:52:09 -
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eXeler0n wrote:friends, play as intended
Once again, exactly my point. Solo players should not feel comfortable playing Eve Online. It is only for people who want to be in groups.
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
196
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Posted - 2015.03.27 17:06:31 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Quite honestly they've got their priorities twisted and are kicking some of the most dedicated players who have invested thousands into the game in the nuts
Truth!
I think this is the part that bothers me the most. My reward for spending thousands of dollars on this game and being an extremely loyal fan for years is to be told that "Oh by the way, we think you are a filthy dirty cheater. We have always thought you were a filthy dirty cheater, but didn't want to say anything because we liked your money. But now for our own super secret reasons we want you to go away, you filthy dirty cheater."
Now I know I have a heart...for it is broken. |
Charadrass
Angry Germans
214
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Posted - 2015.03.27 18:18:27 -
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eXeler0n wrote:It allows a single player to be minimum as efficient as a good group. Because of the lack of human errors (alpha dmg for example) they often perform even better then the same number of chars that are controlled by induvidual players.
I would search for my calculations I made already in german forums, but as Charadrass showed me, it is useless to show this to most ISBoxers, as they don't understand them.
ISBoxers should get skill, friends, play as intended or simply leave the game. They use tools only if they aren't able to do one of the previous mentioned things.
P.s. May your new tools are different, but I can't understand, why players are unable to play a game as intended. Especially if they say that there is no difference to the intended way?
i Play as i want to Play. i am telling you that. and the Problem here is that ccp is banning your left Hand. while supporting the right Hand. eve overview and videofx are exactly the same. one is endorsed by ccp the other banned.
thats logic?
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
808
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Posted - 2015.03.27 20:48:45 -
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eXeler0n wrote:It allows a single player to be minimum as efficient as a good group. Because of the lack of human errors (alpha dmg for example) they often perform even better then the same number of chars that are controlled by induvidual players. I would search for my calculations I made already in german forums, but as Charadrass showed me, it is useless to show this to most ISBoxers, as they don't understand them. ISBoxers should get skill, friends, play as intended or simply leave the game. They use tools only if they aren't able to do one of the previous mentioned things. P.s. May your new tools are different, but I can't understand, why players are unable to play a game as intended. Especially if they say that there is no difference to the intended way?
1) I dunno what you think multiboxing is, but it's still affected by human error. If I mis-click, half my boxes will target A and half will target B, and that's on a good day! On a bad day, my boxes will be split completely 1 for 1 on each target.
2) We're motivated by actual figures, evidence, and facts, not feelings and beliefs. Show us actual evidence or facts and we can have an actual conversation. Leave the feels to tumblr.
3) Don't knock it until you try it. ISBoxer is not "plug and play" like some cheap two-bit Dell keyboard. Just like racing, it may seem simple and easy from the sidelines or from the couch, but sit behind the wheel and it isn't so easy. Hell, I was on the other side of the fence here! I tried ISBoxing myself, and found out just how difficult it was. I've had about 3/4 of a year of practice, and I like to think I'm semi-decent, but I'm nowhere near as good as others are. But all combined we are nowhere near as good as an alliance like PL or HK in their prime, or as fast as TVP-VG's new Roadrunner fleets. A new ISBoxer is nowhere near as efficient as a good group, even if the ISBoxer has 500m SP toons. Remember: Ebay'd characters being piloted by Joe Schmoe will die to a 5m SP toon piloted by Mr Hyde (sorry for spelling). I can drop as much money as I want into the game and buy purple mods and the only thing that will get me (assuming I bought PLEX) is a one-way ticket to TMC's ALOD column.
4) "... unable to play a game as intended". Uh, wormholes? Incursions? Roaming capital fleets? Double heavy cap boosting Moros? Slippery Petes? C6 Magentar infinite guns? CCP didn't imagine people would min/max this game as strongly as they have. The biggest example are wormholes. CCP didn't expect people to live in them 24/7, but they did. I doubt people expected market PVPers to have such powerful tools available to them to let them and move well over 1 T ISK/month. I also doubt CCP foresaw the growth of the lotto websites as well.
5) Some of us dislike massive groups. I personally tend to get migraines when I'm on a comm channel with 25+ people and some of them talking over each other. There are some among us who are more paranoid than others, and there are some who want to challenge themselves as much as possible when it comes to the game and their multitasking abilities. Watching the video of Pinkskull the Multiboxer from WoW (here) I'm amazed at what a seriously devoted multiboxer can do. I'm nowhere near his level of competency, and thanks to the server's coding as well as fundamental differences in the two games, nobody can do that sort of thing in EVE. |
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.03.27 21:07:04 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:1) I dunno what you think multiboxing is, but it's still affected by human error. If I mis-click, half my boxes will target A and half will target B, and that's on a good day! On a bad day, my boxes will be split completely 1 for 1 on each target. 2) We're motivated by actual figures, evidence, and facts, not feelings and beliefs. Show us actual evidence or facts and we can have an actual conversation. Leave the feels to tumblr. 3) Don't knock it until you try it. ISBoxer is not "plug and play" like some cheap two-bit Dell keyboard. Just like racing, it may seem simple and easy from the sidelines or from the couch, but sit behind the wheel and it isn't so easy. Hell, I was on the other side of the fence here! I tried ISBoxing myself, and found out just how difficult it was. I've had about 3/4 of a year of practice, and I like to think I'm semi-decent, but I'm nowhere near as good as others are. But all combined we are nowhere near as good as an alliance like PL or HK in their prime, or as fast as TVP-VG's new Roadrunner fleets. A new ISBoxer is nowhere near as efficient as a good group, even if the ISBoxer has 500m SP toons. Remember: Ebay'd characters being piloted by Joe Schmoe will die to a 5m SP toon piloted by Mr Hyde (sorry for spelling). I can drop as much money as I want into the game and buy purple mods and the only thing that will get me (assuming I bought PLEX) is a one-way ticket to TMC's ALOD column. 4) "... unable to play a game as intended". Uh, wormholes? Incursions? Roaming capital fleets? Double heavy cap boosting Moros? Slippery Petes? C6 Magentar infinite guns? CCP didn't imagine people would min/max this game as strongly as they have. The biggest example are wormholes. CCP didn't expect people to live in them 24/7, but they did. I doubt people expected market PVPers to have such powerful tools available to them to let them and move well over 1 T ISK/month. I also doubt CCP foresaw the growth of the lotto websites as well. 5) Some of us dislike massive groups. I personally tend to get migraines when I'm on a comm channel with 25+ people and some of them talking over each other. There are some among us who are more paranoid than others, and there are some who want to challenge themselves as much as possible when it comes to the game and their multitasking abilities. Watching the video of Pinkskull the Multiboxer from WoW ( here) I'm amazed at what a seriously devoted multiboxer can do. I'm nowhere near his level of competency, and thanks to the server's coding as well as fundamental differences in the two games, nobody can do that sort of thing in EVE. I've actually ended up shooting myself more than once over the years when using the repeater in isboxer. Despite the fact that I use the overview for targeting and the overview is set to NOT show fleet members or in the case of incursions to ONLY show NPCs. When my vindis would start shooting a harby in my fleet it got interesting quickly. Best I could figure is I was somehow clicking on ships in space occasionally on some of the accounts.
There's a video of pinkskill interacting with a GM due to petitions. The GM actually told the people that were complaining to HTFU cause it's allowed. Isn't that funny that the people running the game disparaged as hello kitty online have a harder stance than ccp.
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
810
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Posted - 2015.03.27 21:23:02 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:I've actually ended up shooting myself more than once over the years when using the repeater in isboxer. Despite the fact that I use the overview for targeting and the overview is set to NOT show fleet members or in the case of incursions to ONLY show NPCs. When my vindis would start shooting a harby in my fleet it got interesting quickly. Best I could figure is I was somehow clicking on ships in space occasionally on some of the accounts.
There's a video of pinkskill interacting with a GM due to petitions. The GM actually told the people that were complaining to HTFU cause it's allowed. Isn't that funny that the people running the game disparaged as hello kitty online have a harder stance than ccp. You mean this video? I've nearly alpha'd one of my nightmares off the grid as well after a mishap with remote cap x-fers. That was entertaining to explain to my dorm buddies why I was screaming bloody murder at 9:00 pm. I know another of the VG boxers did alpha a boat off the grid once, but the name escapes me. |
Charadrass
Angry Germans
214
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Posted - 2015.03.27 21:38:37 -
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i totally forgot about that. i nearly shot me while i was flying with 7 boxes in assaults. nearly alphaed one machariel of mine :)
and always good is the wrong site enter during false warp hence losing ship.
english is bad cause alcoholic lvel has hit 6... |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
810
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Posted - 2015.03.27 22:49:05 -
[4403] - Quote
Charadrass wrote:and always good is the wrong site enter during false warp hence losing ship. I've lost count of the number of ships I've lost from mis-warping to belts or taking gates early. |
Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
380
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Posted - 2015.03.28 00:18:17 -
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Jason Xado wrote:eXeler0n wrote:I have to say, that Charadrass is totally right.
I hate it, that I can't play more characters at the same time as my own personal skills allow me to. Unfortunately CCP has not integrated any multiboxing functionality into the client and also they banned every external tools that helps me to achive more then I could only with my personal skills.
I think this is unfair, as I now have to play as a normal player and can't feel any better, stronger or even cooler then other players. May I should quit Eve because now I have realized that I'm not a pro-gramer. Instead I'm only a small player like all the other players out there and because of this I feel really mad.
Instead of adepting this I think it's the best way to flame the forums and threaten other players and CCP with my lawyer. This is the only educated and mature way to handle my own inability to play (or leave) a game the way the create intended it to. Exactly my point. CCP doesn't want solo players to have tools to compete with groups. If you don't want to join a group then you just have to live with the fact that CCP sees you as a second class citizen of the game. I believe your correct in your assumptions. The "sandbox" is getting smaller and smaller.
There are certain activities in TQ that if left to "groups" of individual players would never be efficient. How many "groups" are prepared to sit in an ice field or asteroid belt for up to 8 hours per day doing nothing but mine. Where risk vs reward is more often risk than reward. Mining large quantities of ore/ice has always been carried out by individuals with multiple accounts. It is the only efficient way to do it.
IsBoxer and other software like it only became an issue when a small group of players who had the ear of a dev or two complained loudly enough about being beaten by PVP isboxers and a few IsBoxer miners who seemed to have an advantage over individual players in the ice fields. Instead of looking at the problem and dealing with it in a professional transparent way, CCP chose to start looking at the EULA for loopholes they could use to ban (as it turns out) anyone who multiboxes, using "interpretation" as a tool instead of amending the EULA so it is clear what is and is not legal. If my round robin keystrokes are against the EULA, I want to see it in writing as part of the terms and conditions of the game. CCP may own Eve but that does not give them the right to ban one person for doing something while letting someone else continue to do it based on how efficient they are. So far it seems, you can use round robin keystrokes or anything else, as long as you are not too efficient. CCP provide the tools to use Round Robin but somehow, have given themselves the right to ban individuals for using those tools, at their discretion. A little like "power of two" promotions, "never fly alone again" but don't do it well or we will ban you. "Too Efficient" is in the hands of a member of CCP security team, that interprets what you are doing, with the very real possibility, they have no idea what you are doing. (A good guess will suffice)
I have adapted in a way that suits me, I no longer multi box. I'm not "mad" about it but can understand why others are.
My suggestion to all multiboxers who are not happy with the current changes - UNSUB multiple toons. Don't quit the game, just play it the way the minority wants us all to, the way CCP is leading us, 1 person 1 active character.
Sure it will be boring for those who like the challenge of multiboxing but what better way to send a message than subs drop by 50%? Power of Two, be damned, show CCP the power of 40,000 or 50,000 alts.
NB; The suggestions and thoughts here are mine as an individual paying customer, I am not trying to incite others to do as I have. Just putting my thoughts out there for others to read.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Charadrass wrote:and always good is the wrong site enter during false warp hence losing ship. I've lost count of the number of ships I've lost from mis-warping to belts or taking gates early. My worst loss due to stupitidy was a nestor that I warped to the wrong gate on. I was running with some newbros so I was busy making sure they were in the proper place and doing the right thing. It was also late at night and I was going to call it soon due to tiredness. I was using one nestor to warp everyone but I didn't have room for one account so I put the second nestor in a second squad with the ore dropper. Worked fine all night till it didn't....
If CCP had fixed wing commander so it gets boosts from the fleet commander then none of this would of happened as the warping nestor would of been in wing command.
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Jason Xado
Xado Industries
197
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Posted - 2015.03.28 13:40:54 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote: My suggestion to all multiboxers who are not happy with the current changes - UNSUB multiple toons. Don't quit the game, just play it the way the minority wants us all to, the way CCP is leading us, 1 person 1 active character.
Yea that is exactly my plan as well. I am liquidating all of my assets and converting my net wealth into plexes. I am going to start up a brand new character on a new account, plex out the account with the plexes from the liquidation.
CCP will then have that amount of time to impress me enough to stay before I give them another penny of my money.
To be honest though the one character thing so far just hasn't engaged me, so I don't know how long that will last.
I still just don't understand why CCP has deemed the way I want to play the game, a way I have been playing the game for years without issue, to now be cheating.
CCP, I love EVE and I love you, why are you treating me like garbage? I just don't get it.
Well haters gonna hate I suppose and in this case the haters actually won :-(
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kraken11 jensen
The Gallant Collective Requiem Eternal
82
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Posted - 2015.03.30 13:45:26 -
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I have not for that long relished how important overheating modules etc... and if you was/were using multi broadcasting, and would 've overheated on all accounts. then I would've seen it quite likely/quite possible. to go really wrong. (lol) like burning out modules. I don't even have thermic trained on more than 1 off my accounts :) (because the risk off burning something out) |
Charadrass
Angry Germans
216
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Posted - 2015.03.30 14:28:34 -
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happend to me multiple times. thanks to the broadcasting bans i dont accidently overheat anymore.
so in fact i have to thank ccp for banning broadcasts. |
granny Lina
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.02 11:01:09 -
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reading a few posts back just confirms some thoughts I shared with ccp. my question, to which I do not expect an answer, is when those new rules are about to get effective.
there is one guy saying I can use 2 guns to outgun the ohers. im so great and my greatness is restricted. you know... I can wave my middle finger out of my porthole, ccp restricts me from being so great myself. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6681
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Posted - 2015.04.04 02:48:27 -
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granny Lina wrote:reading a few posts back just confirms some thoughts I shared with ccp. my question, to which I do not expect an answer, is when those new rules are about to get effective. I don't know, what exactly are you thinking of?
CCP Falcon wrote:As of 15th of March 2013 we have been policing input automation based on a two-strike policy GÇó1st strike for input automation is a 30 day ban GÇó2nd strike for input automation is a permanent ban Input Automation remains strictly prohibited, and is policed under our suspension and ban policy. Based on the discussion in this area and our will to be more clear and concise with the community regarding this part of our rules, we have decided to also apply this two-strike policy to prohibited forms of Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing as of January 1st 2015.We would like to add, however, that we will not be taking action retroactively and will only be policing this policy as of January 1st, 2015.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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