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POSITRON
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.01 09:53:00 -
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Basketball 2006 World Championships
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Nyssa Dakalsai
Cosmic Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.01 10:25:00 -
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HA.
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Roxanna Kell
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.09.01 11:00:00 -
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arrogance FTL
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Croesus
Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.01 11:25:00 -
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Well done Greece.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.01 17:54:00 -
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Are we still using the B-Team to play basketball with other countries, like we did in the Olympics?
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Derrios
Vasagar
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Posted - 2006.09.01 18:48:00 -
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dwayne wade was the most experienced player on the team.
and I believe Kirk Heinrich is on it too lol. so yes.
A lot of B players~
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Croesus
Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.01 18:55:00 -
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Usa team.
Carmelo Anthony, of the Denver Nuggets Shane Battier, of the Houston Rockets Chris Bosh, of the Toronto Raptors Elton Brand, of the Los Angeles Clippers Kirk Hinrich, of the Chicago Bulls Dwight Howard, of the Orlando Magic LeBron James, of the Cleveland Cavaliers Antawn Jamison, of the Washington Wizards Joe Johnson, of the Atlanta Hawks Brad Miller, of the Sacramento Kings Chris Paul, of the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets Dwyane Wade, of the Miami Heat
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Kurren
Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.01 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Are we still using the B-Team to play basketball with other countries, like we did in the Olympics?
Originally by: Croesus Usa team.
Carmelo Anthony, of the Denver Nuggets Shane Battier, of the Houston Rockets Chris Bosh, of the Toronto Raptors Elton Brand, of the Los Angeles Clippers Kirk Hinrich, of the Chicago Bulls Dwight Howard, of the Orlando Magic LeBron James, of the Cleveland Cavaliers Antawn Jamison, of the Washington Wizards Joe Johnson, of the Atlanta Hawks Brad Miller, of the Sacramento Kings Chris Paul, of the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets Dwyane Wade, of the Miami Heat
So yes. --- --- --- ---
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Caanan
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.09.01 20:18:00 -
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lebron james > all
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Ulric Denrai
Amarr The B-Team
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Posted - 2006.09.01 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Are we still using the B-Team to play basketball with other countries, like we did in the Olympics?
Yup
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.09.01 20:59:00 -
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So you didn't play the best players and failed to reach the final?
So do you think playing the B-team gets you off the hook because you could've won?
lol
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Clementina
God's of Eve
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Posted - 2006.09.01 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Valan So you didn't play the best players and failed to reach the final?
So do you think playing the B-team gets you off the hook because you could've won?
lol
We're not hating against the Greeks for winning, or beating less then the best. I wish the Hellenic Republic the best of luck.
We're just disapointed with ourselves for not learning from how we were whupped during the olympics for doing similar antics.
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Kurren
Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.01 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Valan So you didn't play the best players and failed to reach the final?
So do you think playing the B-team gets you off the hook because you could've won?
lol
We started sending the "B-team" because our "A-team" kept cleaning up at the Olympics and it was ****ing everybody else off. So, in the ineterest of fairness... we sent some that... well... sucked. Because, even if we HAD beaten Greece... it would only have been beating Greece. --- --- --- ---
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Mirage Kisaragi
Gallente Warrior Nation United New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.09.02 00:30:00 -
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I'm embarassed once again about the USA Team, these players should easily perform and represent their country well.
The problem here in the U.S. is players think too much about money, and not about more important things about the impact of their performance or patriotism in the U.S.
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shadyfox99
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.09.02 01:29:00 -
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i can't say that i'm surprised. Maybe that it was Greece that beat the USA team, but i'm definetly not surprised that we lost.
And for everyone who says we sent a "B" team, you are wrong. We sent the best team we could. Anyone that you would consider an "A" team player would not participate in international play. Whose fault is that? the players.
Congrats to Greece, they played a heck of a game.
Originally by: HostageTaker
Use your brain and use your main! OMFG I just rhymed!
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Kurren
Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.02 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: shadyfox99 i can't say that i'm surprised. Maybe that it was Greece that beat the USA team, but i'm definetly not surprised that we lost.
And for everyone who says we sent a "B" team, you are wrong. We sent the best team we could. Anyone that you would consider an "A" team player would not participate in international play. Whose fault is that? the players.
Congrats to Greece, they played a heck of a game.
Just for clarification, when I say "B-team" I simply mean "non-all-stars." Of course, we started sending them under the pretense that other countries wouldn't complain that we were sending our "best" to defeat "amatuers." These days, international basketball has been around for quite some time though. So, teams are getting better... as we see here with Greece... and probably lots of other teams (if I remember correctly, U.S.A. either only got second or didn't place at all in the last Winter Olympics).
And, my sympothies to somebody who loses patriotism over something as trivial as a basketball game. --- --- --- ---
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Dan O
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Posted - 2006.09.02 02:20:00 -
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i'm not particularily a basketball fan and this question is genuine, even if it sounds negative... but ..
do u think that prehaps the "all star A-team" team wasnt picked because like in the greek olympics when the USA sprinters were boo'ed on the track for their cultural arrogance (and expectation that their US status be translated to a universal love of them), that such a team of "super egos" would not be cohesive as a team together because of each team members conception of themselves ?
to simplify - the team adds to more than the sum of its components - prehaps demonstrated by the greeks performance and results
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Dan O
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Posted - 2006.09.02 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kurren
Originally by: Valan So you didn't play the best players and failed to reach the final?
So do you think playing the B-team gets you off the hook because you could've won?
lol
We started sending the "B-team" because our "A-team" kept cleaning up at the Olympics and it was ****ing everybody else off. So, in the ineterest of fairness... we sent some that... well... sucked. Because, even if we HAD beaten Greece... it would only have been beating Greece.
that kind of re-enforces the point i made in a cultural terms, maybe i read it wrong but...
WE send our worse team for the benefit of OTHERS because WE are SO good, and want to be kind to OTHERS. even though THEY beat US ,(current euro champions) THEY are still nothing compared to US
that attitude seems abit screwed to me and sore. from what i read its seems mental focus and cohesion won through, thats usually generated by team spirit, not individualism. its the attitude and culture shown here that is in all probability the cause of the loss
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shadyfox99
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.09.02 04:11:00 -
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The REAL reason the BEST american players weren't in the competition, was because they were too arrogant to play for their country.
I'm not saying we would have won even with the "best" american players on the team, im just saying thats why they weren't on the team.
Also, being picked to be on the team is only half of it, the player has to AGREE to play on the squad.
And Kurren, who is losing patriotism? what in the world are you talking about?
Originally by: HostageTaker
Use your brain and use your main! OMFG I just rhymed!
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.02 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: shadyfox99 The REAL reason the BEST american players weren't in the competition, was because they were too arrogant to play for their country.
This is why I don't watch basketball - everyone is only looking out for themselves and the money they'll make, its never about the team or something bigger than them, just personal glory .
Good job Greece, we deserved to get beat.
Whorum Skills ftw!
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.09.02 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 02/09/2006 10:02:45 A country should always field its best team it pushes the sport forward. So you may dominate for years, but eventually they'll get beaten and the victory will mean something. Problem with the USA is they tend to play sports no one else is interested in. Good to see the USA team in the world cup though.
Although now I think some sports now only field players the promoters want them to so they can rake in the merchandies profits.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.02 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 02/09/2006 10:02:45 A country should always field its best team it pushes the sport forward.
Only if the competition is important. Manchester United don't field their best team in the Ajax Invitational Trophy or whatever the hell it's called in pre-season, because it's not important.
US Baseball doesn't send its best players to the Olympics, because in the eyes of US Baseball, the Olympics aren't important. They're just an irritant that tries to interfere with the proper baseball tournament.
Basketball, pretty much ditto. Although in this case, it's less because the clubs don't think it important, as the players. The elite dunkers don't WANT to play for the USA, they get more money staying in town. ________________________________________________
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Nafri
Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.02 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Valan Edited by: Valan on 02/09/2006 10:02:45 A country should always field its best team it pushes the sport forward.
Only if the competition is important. Manchester United don't field their best team in the Ajax Invitational Trophy or whatever the hell it's called in pre-season, because it's not important.
US Baseball doesn't send its best players to the Olympics, because in the eyes of US Baseball, the Olympics aren't important. They're just an irritant that tries to interfere with the proper baseball tournament.
Basketball, pretty much ditto. Although in this case, it's less because the clubs don't think it important, as the players. The elite dunkers don't WANT to play for the USA, they get more money staying in town.
and that is why basketball is a bad sport
From Dusk till Dawn
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Celedris
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.02 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Celedris on 02/09/2006 13:25:44 Edited by: Celedris on 02/09/2006 13:20:45
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr US Baseball doesn't send its best players to the Olympics, because in the eyes of US Baseball, the Olympics aren't important. They're just an irritant that tries to interfere with the proper baseball tournament.
This isn't true at all; with baseball a huge number of the players really want to compete for their country, however the Olympics run right through the middle of the baseball season and no team wants to risk injuries to key players.
Just look at www.worldbaseballclassic.com This event took place during the baseball offseason, and the United States sent a top-calibre team. Ichiro Suzuki (a MLB player in the US) played a major part in the success of the Japanese team.
Look at the team rosters in the World Baseball Classic; most of the top players on each nation's team play in MLB, yet almost none of them played in the Olympics.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.02 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Celedris Edited by: Celedris on 02/09/2006 13:25:44 Edited by: Celedris on 02/09/2006 13:20:45
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr US Baseball doesn't send its best players to the Olympics, because in the eyes of US Baseball, the Olympics aren't important. They're just an irritant that tries to interfere with the proper baseball tournament.
This isn't true at all; with baseball a huge number of the players really want to compete for their country, however the Olympics run right through the middle of the baseball season and no team wants to risk injuries to key players.
Which is exactly what I said. ________________________________________________
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Kurren
Farscape Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.02 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: Kurren on 02/09/2006 23:54:05
Originally by: Dan O
Originally by: Kurren
Originally by: Valan So you didn't play the best players and failed to reach the final?
So do you think playing the B-team gets you off the hook because you could've won?
lol
We started sending the "B-team" because our "A-team" kept cleaning up at the Olympics and it was ****ing everybody else off. So, in the ineterest of fairness... we sent some that... well... sucked. Because, even if we HAD beaten Greece... it would only have been beating Greece.
that kind of re-enforces the point i made in a cultural terms, maybe i read it wrong but...
WE send our worse team for the benefit of OTHERS because WE are SO good, and want to be kind to OTHERS. even though THEY beat US ,(current euro champions) THEY are still nothing compared to US
that attitude seems abit screwed to me and sore. from what i read its seems mental focus and cohesion won through, thats usually generated by team spirit, not individualism. its the attitude and culture shown here that is in all probability the cause of the loss
Please read to the end before making your posts. And, as far as I remember, this thread was congratulating Greece... not insulting Americans. Please, check the attitude at the door.
Now, again, most of us have congratulated Greece on winning, but you do have to look at every event that Americans are in in every international tournament. We're given such bad names simply because people imply that we're using drugs/cheating to win, or that "we're always the best out there." Let me ask you this, would us beating Greece have made us look better? Probably not. Why? Because Greece is not concidered a powerhouse in basketball... or baseball. Maybe in Greece they are, but not anywhere else. U.S.A. is though. We'd've just looked like the bullies coming to push everybody around again. We're in a lose/lose situation here. But, at least sending in people that aren't all-stars gives us a decent team and helps us save face while making the country that won the game feel proud about it.
I will now point at the 2006 World Cup and say, "How dare you call Americans bad sports... ever."
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Celedris Edited by: Celedris on 02/09/2006 13:25:44 Edited by: Celedris on 02/09/2006 13:20:45
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr US Baseball doesn't send its best players to the Olympics, because in the eyes of US Baseball, the Olympics aren't important. They're just an irritant that tries to interfere with the proper baseball tournament.
This isn't true at all; with baseball a huge number of the players really want to compete for their country, however the Olympics run right through the middle of the baseball season and no team wants to risk injuries to key players.
Which is exactly what I said.
But it is not what you implied. Baseball's their job. They can't just leave it to play somewhere else. They CAN get fired you know. --- --- --- ---
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.03 07:24:00 -
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I wish I wouldn't get in trouble for posting my honest opinion on basketball players.
I see no reason why they make the money they do. If they all made half of what they make, and the rest was say, taxed by the government, that'd be a studpily high amount of money, which would then fill alot of gaps. I know alot of cities in the US are cutting vital **** because they haven't been making enough money from taxes in over a decade.
Besides, even if the best players we have weren't such getting piles of ****, they'd still be nothing compared to the Dream Team, who weren't all *******s.
Then again, when you have a bunch of people who floated through school having their grades changed (and yes, it happens constantly) so that they keep on passing, end up with more money than anyone without an education should ever have, and they become arrgoant *******s.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus |
Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.09.03 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kurren
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr US Baseball doesn't send its best players to the Olympics, because in the eyes of US Baseball, the Olympics aren't important. They're just an irritant that tries to interfere with the proper baseball tournament.
This isn't true at all; with baseball a huge number of the players really want to compete for their country, however the Olympics run right through the middle of the baseball season and no team wants to risk injuries to key players.
Which is exactly what I said. But it is not what you implied.
No, it isn't. Like someone above just said ... did you read to the end of the post?
It's the *basketball* players who don't seem to care about the top international tournaments because they're happier staying where they are. The top baseball players don't get to go because - I quote - *US Baseball* doesn't care about the Olympics. I'd have said MLB, but most non-Americans wouldn't know what it stood for.
If I'd meant that baseball players don't care, I would've SAID that baseball players don't care. I'm perfectly aware that they do, but they don't have the choice because the clubs force them to stay at home.
Which is what I said, AND what I implied. So stop agreeing with me and saying I was wrong, huh? ________________________________________________
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Logan Xerxes
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.03 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia I wish I wouldn't get in trouble for posting my honest opinion on basketball players.
I see no reason why they make the money they do. If they all made half of what they make, and the rest was say, taxed by the government, that'd be a studpily high amount of money, which would then fill alot of gaps. I know alot of cities in the US are cutting vital **** because they haven't been making enough money from taxes in over a decade.
Besides, even if the best players we have weren't such getting piles of ****, they'd still be nothing compared to the Dream Team, who weren't all *******s.
Then again, when you have a bunch of people who floated through school having their grades changed (and yes, it happens constantly) so that they keep on passing, end up with more money than anyone without an education should ever have, and they become arrgoant *******s.
Quoted for the goddamn truth.
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Dexter Rast
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.09.03 12:09:00 -
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playing any sport for your country should be the height of acheivement and an honour, 99% of sportsmen and women im sure would leap at the chance to represent their countries if their respective clubs would let them. we have the same problem at times with our football team here in the UK, club v`s country is always reported, where the clubs dont want to risk injury to their players while on international duty, fake injuries are always reported close to international games so they cant always go --------------------------------------------- Please resize your forum signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques |
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