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Gaan Cathal
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:21:31 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:mr ed thehouseofed wrote:his wife made the shirt apparently yeah this part's a bit awkward. i can imagine that if this is true, he wore the shirt to please his wife, which is sweet. we can acknowledge a person's intention is different to the message sent. it's not about labelling the man or diminishing the achievement of the day. this is something that some people refuse to understand
It was a birthday present made for him by a female friend apparently, not his wife.
However what happened was he did a downright lovely thing by choosing to wear a present someone made for him when appearing on TV. He then got harassed and bullied for it (you really think he broke down during the apology because he suddenly realised the shirt made him Literally Worse Than ******?).
There would've been a justification if the shirt had actually been offensive of course, but it wasn't. Images of women are not offensive in and of themselves, and I didn't see any of the women on said shirt getting raped or 'making a sammich'.
And yes, this belongs in offtopic because Matt Taylor's space isn't a liquid and he doesn't have an "orbit at x" button. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:21:41 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:As a woman it will be a bit difficult to hate women.
Ahum...
Tho really, it ain't that hard, alot of women hate alot of other women, being one don't change a thing.
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699
Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
321
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:23:26 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:As a woman it will be a bit difficult to hate women. Ahum...Tho really, it ain't that hard, alot of women hate alot of other women, being one don't change a thing.
Ahum stop quoting out of context.
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:25:25 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:stop quoting
HA! You wish!
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699
Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4165
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:28:26 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Anyone else see the walking in NYC 10 hours video?
there's one part where a guy comes up to the girl and says hello. when she doesn't respond he says something like 'bye, have a good day'. i remember thinking Well Okay Nothing Wrong With That Then, but he then started following her around which is Not Okay
the video's come under criticism from a racial perspective - the makers edited out footage of white people who were also making inappropriate comments. according to them, the people making those comments were poorly heard by the mic or were off-camera. they've acknowledged the poor racial message this sends if i remember right |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:28:33 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:
How much are we talking?
Zero! Trolls like mine should never be rewarded For the record I like the shirt. We have chemical engineers at my job who wear all manners of things that are probably inappropriate. Nobody who might care actually sees them because these guys are in and around equipment all day. Now, what if a woman joined their team and was exposed to these things daily? I think it depends on the woman, and the woman I know from the legal department who works with them doesn't find it to be an issue of sexism. But I have to wonder. What if another woman got uncomfortable? Would she have a legitimate gripe? Might this hypothetical complainer blow things out of proportion? Anyone else see the walking in NYC 10 hours video?
Society today tends to be very appearance-oriented when making judgement calls. If you want something you will try to look your best ain't it? A job interview, or a date - you dress to impress. This is becoming true for both men and women. try to get a managerial job wearing a tee and slashed jeans - best of luck! And women abuse it (shocking I know). Because we can, and because we know men like it. Then saying that a man is sexist by wearing that shirt is nothing less than hypocritical. Especially on that day. As a woman I think the so called feminists of today should really get their heads out of their asses and of the Victorian world they still think they live in.
Today at work I'm wearing a T2: Judgement Day shirt with Arnold on it - do I offend any men? Don't think so. Worst case scenario they'd rather check the boobs then what's on the shirt. If I want to make things worse I'll go "commando" and then I'm pretty sure all the sexist, sociological and philosophical implications of me wearing a shirt with a buffed up man on it would vanish.
This may come as a shocker for some but generally women with sense in them really don't care if you wear something with naked cartoon ladies on you ( unless meeting the mother or some stuff like that :P ), some even like it. It's all about taste and as we know "de gustibus non est disputandum".
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:29:21 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:stop quoting HA! You wish!
+1
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4165
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:35:55 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:One dude, dude. Just one. If there were others, then you certainly do have a different way of thinking than a rational human being might if you're suggesting that such a population sample is representative of the entire population.
I don't really care much for feminism. Up until I was 15, I didn't even know discrimination was a thing. When I first heard about it, I was appalled.
But as long as the girls I know are still talking about Brad Pitt like he's a sex toy, I'll be damned if someone wearing a shirt with some cartoon women on it is something worth 'criminalising' a person with a mind that's contributed to the scientific and academic community more than ten times that of his accusers. didn't read further than the title huh
that ~mind of such high value~ recognised and apologised for his mistake. since his opinion is so much more worthy than ours i think we should follow his example don't you
has brad pitt complained about his popular perception. i don't know the man |
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:36:22 -
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This is a sensitive topic and I feel this to be an inappropriate venue for such a discussion. And I don't just mean GD, I mean anywhere on CCP's forums.
I'm also deeply suspicious of anyone using the defense "I'm a woman so you can't accuse me of being a misogynist ***wipe" on completely anonymous forums.
Also also, if a woman gave him that shirt, that woman is just as guilty for her poor decision as the man is for his decision to wear it. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4165
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:38:39 -
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Gaan Cathal wrote:However what happened was he did a downright lovely thing by choosing to wear a present someone made for him when appearing on TV. He then got harassed and bullied for it (you really think he broke down during the apology because he suddenly realised the shirt made him Literally Worse Than ******?).
There would've been a justification if the shirt had actually been offensive of course, but it wasn't. Images of women are not offensive in and of themselves, and I didn't see any of the women on said shirt getting raped or 'making a sammich'.
And yes, this belongs in offtopic because Matt Taylor's space isn't a liquid and he doesn't have an "orbit at x" button. i have no idea what the guy is thinking and neither do you, the shirt was inappopriate in the context it was worn, and this topic doesn't belong anywhere |
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4165
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:40:43 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:This is a sensitive topic and I feel this to be an inappropriate venue for such a discussion. And I don't just mean GD, I mean anywhere on CCP's forums. oh someone said this before me :(
Esan Vartesa wrote:Also also, if a woman gave him that shirt, that woman is just as guilty for her poor decision as the man is for his decision to wear it. ah, i don't think the shirt's a problem in many social settings |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:42:41 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Gaan Cathal wrote:However what happened was he did a downright lovely thing by choosing to wear a present someone made for him when appearing on TV. He then got harassed and bullied for it (you really think he broke down during the apology because he suddenly realised the shirt made him Literally Worse Than ******?).
There would've been a justification if the shirt had actually been offensive of course, but it wasn't. Images of women are not offensive in and of themselves, and I didn't see any of the women on said shirt getting raped or 'making a sammich'.
And yes, this belongs in offtopic because Matt Taylor's space isn't a liquid and he doesn't have an "orbit at x" button. i have no idea what the guy is thinking and neither do you, the shirt was inappopriate in the context it was worn, and this topic doesn't belong anywhere
I'll believe in things like his shirt being sexist and an afront to women when I'll see all women wearing knee-level skirts and buttoned up shirts. This is coming from a woman. Who can be very misogynistic at times.
The matter that it was innapropriate for the event - fashion-related, understandable. The fact that it states that women are not welcome in science and are looked down upon in today's world, baseless.
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
948
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:43:07 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:.... T2: Judgement Day shirt with Arnold on it .... I'll go "commando"
Speaking of out of context quoting, going Commando in a T2 shirt would be hitting two Arnold references in the same outfit.
+1
Benny Ohu wrote:Jvpiter wrote:Anyone else see the walking in NYC 10 hours video? there's one part where a guy comes up to the girl and says hello. when she doesn't respond he says something like 'bye, have a good day'. i remember thinking Well Okay Nothing Wrong With That Then, but he then started following her around which is Not Okay the video's come under criticism from a racial perspective - the makers edited out footage of white people who were also making inappropriate comments. according to them, the people making those comments were poorly heard by the mic or were off-camera. they've acknowledged the poor racial message this sends if i remember right
Sure. I've been in a few discussions about the video both in and out of work and it has been an emotional, complicated mess. The fellow you mention is one extreme example from the video.
Call me Joe.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:46:07 -
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Jvpiter wrote: Speaking of out of context quoting, going Commando in a T2 shirt would be hitting two Arnold references in the same outfit.
+1
I'm awesome like that !
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4165
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:53:49 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:I'll believe in things like his shirt being sexist and an afront to women when I'll see all women wearing knee-level skirts and buttoned up shirts. This is coming from a woman. Who can be very misogynistic at times.
The matter that it was innapropriate for the event - fashion-related, understandable. The fact that it states that women are not welcome in science and are looked down upon in today's world, baseless. there's a difference between a man wearing such a shirt and a woman who wants to look good
i can't remember the name behind the idea - sexual liberation? the idea is that a woman's sexuality and body are hers to enjoy. that is, a women dressing to look good to men because she enjoys it is liberating. she makes a choice because it makes her feel good. she owns her sexuality and her body and she does what she wants with them. she doesn't deserve criticism for that and noone should tell her not to
now when a woman's body (fake women on shirts) is being used purely for the enjoyment of others, it becomes a different situation. there was a star trek movie recently, i think, where the movie was criticised for having one of the actresses nude for no real reason? look at what's being criticised. the actress is not. she's doing a job she chose to do, she says well i'm fine with taking my clothes off for the job. that's ok. the choices of the management to depict a nude woman for the sake of pleasing an assumed male audience for tickets or promotion, that will be criticised |
Helene Fidard
11
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Posted - 2014.11.18 13:59:34 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote::wardrums: EVE-O Presents: The Internet |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:00:36 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:I'll believe in things like his shirt being sexist and an afront to women when I'll see all women wearing knee-level skirts and buttoned up shirts. This is coming from a woman. Who can be very misogynistic at times.
The matter that it was innapropriate for the event - fashion-related, understandable. The fact that it states that women are not welcome in science and are looked down upon in today's world, baseless. there's a difference between a man wearing such a shirt and a woman who wants to look good i can't remember the name behind the idea - sexual liberation? the idea is that a woman's sexuality and body are hers to enjoy. that is, a women dressing to look good to men because she enjoys it is liberating. she makes a choice because it makes her feel good. she owns her sexuality and her body and she does what she wants with them. she doesn't deserve criticism for that and noone should tell her not to now when a woman's body (fake women on shirts) is being used purely for the enjoyment of others, it becomes a different situation. there was a star trek movie recently, i think, where the movie was criticised for having one of the actresses nude for no real reason? look at what's being criticised. the actress is not. she's doing a job she chose to do, she says well i'm fine with taking my clothes off for the job. that's ok. the choices of the management to depict a nude woman for the sake of pleasing an assumed male audience for tickets or promotion, that will be criticised
Dude the same day this happened (if i remember correctly) Kim Kardashian released the "Break the Internet" set of picks where she's in her "baby suit". Did you hear anything about that from the same feminist movement? Because actions like that promote sexism you know.
Now this guy, a brilliant man, has his career possibly ruined because some quack felt offended by the drawn women on his shirt. But "like-ing" semi-nudes of Kim is totally OK.
So in a world that sees nothing wrong with drooling after KK's butt and her publicly posting pics of her nude - we go after a scientist who has a shirt with drawn not naked women? Seriously now... Also the leader of the same feminist group that went after the dude has pictures of her in a "Bathe In Male Tears" sweatshirt on her Faceboook page. So yeah...
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
635
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:04:11 -
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My take on it is fairly simple
Was it deliberately sexist? - I dont think so, he doesnt strike me as the kind of man who would do something like that deliberately.
Was it stupid - probably although I can understand his reasons for it.
Should he have been crucified the way he has been - absolutely not, a simple "that was rather inappropriate" followed by an apology should have sufficed. Theres no excuse for the way some people have gone after him.
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome
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BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
483
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:05:39 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:...to be accused of being sexist for wearing that shirt should get a formal apology from women all over the world.
Because if feminist movement steeps so low as to accuse that man for being sexist just for wearing a silly shirt while landing a ******* probe on a ******* comet in the ******* ******* of space then it clearly has completely forgotten what feminism is about. Women who rallied behind that stupid accusation are the very cause of why feminism is viewed the way it is viewed, and bring shame to us all.
Respect to that guy and his team and their work and for advancing the human knowledge of space. He had to present a public apology in tears on the day that probably would have been the single most greatest day of his life!
It was one small shirt for man, one giant step backwards for women.
Also let's not forget this....You owe your very existence to a man sexually objectifying a woman.
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:05:56 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:My take on it is fairly simple
Was it deliberately sexist? - I dont think so, he doesnt strike me as the kind of man who would do something like that deliberately.
Was it stupid - probably although I can understand his reasons for it.
Should he have been crucified the way he has been - absolutely not, a simple "that was rather inappropriate" followed by an apology should have sufficed. Theres no excuse for the way some people have gone after him.
I am not alone!
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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mr ed thehouseofed
Wrought iron Industries
24077
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:06:46 -
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hmmm
i want a eve pinball machine... -áconfirming -áCCP Cognac is best cognac
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4169
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:07:47 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:Dude the same day this happened (if i remember correctly) Kim Kardashian released the "Break the Internet" set of picks where she's in her "baby suit". Did you hear anything about that from the same feminist movement? Because actions like that promote sexism you know.
Now this guy, a brilliant man, has his career possibly ruined because some quack felt offended by the drawn women on his shirt. But "like-ing" semi-nudes of Kim is totally OK.
So in a world that sees nothing wrong with drooling after KK's butt and her publicly posting pics of her nude - we go after a scientist who has a shirt with drawn not naked women? Seriously now... Also the leader of the same feminist group that went after the dude has pictures of her in a "Bathe In Male Tears" sweatshirt on her Faceboook page. So yeah...
i just googled 'kim kardashian feminism' and got like a billion results
the bathe in male tears thing is pretty obviously open mockey of dumb idiots |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:09:31 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:Dude the same day this happened (if i remember correctly) Kim Kardashian released the "Break the Internet" set of picks where she's in her "baby suit". Did you hear anything about that from the same feminist movement? Because actions like that promote sexism you know.
Now this guy, a brilliant man, has his career possibly ruined because some quack felt offended by the drawn women on his shirt. But "like-ing" semi-nudes of Kim is totally OK.
So in a world that sees nothing wrong with drooling after KK's butt and her publicly posting pics of her nude - we go after a scientist who has a shirt with drawn not naked women? Seriously now... Also the leader of the same feminist group that went after the dude has pictures of her in a "Bathe In Male Tears" sweatshirt on her Faceboook page. So yeah...
i just googled 'kim kardashian feminism' and got like a billion results the bathe in male tears thing is pretty obviously open mockey of dumb idiots
yes but did you saw a public apology filled with tears?
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Kazekage Dono
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:10:05 -
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Don't you people know science is sick? Sick with political correctness syndrome.
I mean obviously when someone is born they automatically get 'the right' never to be offended ... Or wait unlike this scientist guy who ... offended? Wait whut?!?
Oh right only those who have the masses on their side.
Feminism, the exploitation of the female who previously where hard to impossible to be exploited. Now they have money aka more ownership and females are overal easy to manipulate into buying things.
Considering happiness in women is at an all time low. Ya got duped and talked into patching up the fractional bank reserve system. One of the many patches. Cause you know oil never runs out right?
After all this banther clearly i must be a chauvinist. Clearly ... Cause you know stuff.
You're all easy to control emotional fools. Now go watch some sports, greys anatomy and for the europeans some sturm der liebe. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4169
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:14:27 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:yes but did you saw a public apology filled with tears? yet again. you don't know why someone cries if they do not tell you. the man acknowledged a mistake and apparently there's a lot of people out there completely disregarding his own opinion and yet claim to defend him |
Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:14:32 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote:Don't you people know science is sick? Sick with political correctness syndrome.
I mean obviously when someone is born they automatically get 'the right' never to be offended ... Or wait unlike this scientist guy who ... offended? Wait whut?!?
Oh right only those who have the masses on their side.
Feminism, the exploitation of the female who previously where hard to impossible to be exploited. Now they have money aka more ownership and females are overal easy to manipulate into buying things.
Considering happiness in women is at an all time low. Ya got duped and talked into patching up the fractional bank reserve system. One of the many patches. Cause you know oil never runs out right?
After all this banther clearly i must be a chauvinist. Clearly ... Cause you know stuff.
You're all easy to control emotional fools. Now go watch some sports, greys anatomy and for the europeans some sturm der liebe.
:)
In the beginning men worked and women stayed at home, cleaned cooked and took care of the kids. Nowadays women work and some men stay at home, clean, cook and take care of the kids. The only difference is you bastards now have kitchen appliances, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, smart-ovens and stuff. It was all planned! Damn you all! Damn you all to hell! You tricked us!
(this is a joke)
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:15:53 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:yes but did you saw a public apology filled with tears? yet again. you don't know why someone cries if they do not tell you. the man acknowledged a mistake and apparently there's a lot of people out there completely disregarding his own opinion and yet claim to defend him
He is (and hopefully still is) a member of ESA. He had to make an apology to save face. This how big things work ;)
[i]"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"[/i]
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4169
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:16:05 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote:Don't you people know science is sick? Sick with political correctness syndrome.
I mean obviously when someone is born they automatically get 'the right' never to be offended ... Or wait unlike this scientist guy who ... offended? Wait whut?!?
Oh right only those who have the masses on their side.
Feminism, the exploitation of the female who previously where hard to impossible to be exploited. Now they have money aka more ownership and females are overal easy to manipulate into buying things.
Considering happiness in women is at an all time low. Ya got duped and talked into patching up the fractional bank reserve system. One of the many patches. Cause you know oil never runs out right?
After all this banther clearly i must be a chauvinist. Clearly ... Cause you know stuff.
You're all easy to control emotional fools. Now go watch some sports, greys anatomy and for the europeans some sturm der liebe. omg |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4170
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:17:30 -
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Nami Kumamato wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Nami Kumamato wrote:yes but did you saw a public apology filled with tears? yet again. you don't know why someone cries if they do not tell you. the man acknowledged a mistake and apparently there's a lot of people out there completely disregarding his own opinion and yet claim to defend him He is (and hopefully still is) a member of ESA. He had to make an apology to save face. This how big things work ;) how interesting that you know more about the guy than he tells you, white knight |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:19:10 -
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I read the OP. Then looked for the story. Now I want 0.5 IQ back.
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