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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:38:00 -
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Sometimes I like to come up with ideas on how a smaller fleet can have decisive victory over larger enemy fleet. Here's one example:
Objective: deny enemy fleet from entering the system by killing any enemy that jumps in - pretty standard.
Strategy: 20-40 battleships and 1 interdictor, all having the same cooky cutter setups: 8 large smartbombs heavy cap injector, 2-3 ECM Bursts 2 cap power relays, armor tank
The battleships will position themselves all around the gate they are camping, in such a way that they are all within 7-16 km range of the gate. And spread out over the entire 12km jump in sphere surrounding the gate. They would need to position in such a way as to keep the nearest battleship at least 5.01 km away. With 20-30 battleships, they could keep most jump in points in range of 2-4 smartbombing battleships
Assuming they cover each jump in point by 3 battleships, what DPS are we talking about? With standard level 4 skills and named t1 smartbombs, the dps per battleship is: 300*8/8 = 300 With 3 battleships covering each jump point, you get 900 dps AND 7200 damage alpha strike.
If enemy fleet jumps in, all its t1 cruisers and frigs would die in alpha strike. Their battleships would have to all tank 900 dps at same time, while frequent ECM Burst activations would tend to break locks, making defensive fire very difficult.
Of course, a bunch of enemy battleships may MWD out of range and escape, but not before a large number of ships is destroyed.
I doubt any reasonable fleet commander expects such an attack by defenders. And with standard fleet bs setup, how would you penetrate such defense on other side of the gate?
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:41:00 -
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yeah also there's a large change that you'll pop your own bs with your own smartbombs
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Serenity Steele
Rearden Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron And with standard fleet bs setup, how would you penetrate such defense on other side of the gate?
Scout it, enter the system from a different route and engage at range.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:43:00 -
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If you think "why would any fleet commander jump into such an ambush?!" The answer is: because the attacker has significantly larger fleet. Even by outnumbering defense 2:1, the defense still gets decisive victory in such a setup.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Deathbarrage yeah also there's a large change that you'll pop your own bs with your own smartbombs
No, part of preparation would include positioning each ship at least 5 km away.
Yes, it would take a lot of organization and patience to setup such a strategy, that's why nobody does it and nobody expects to encounter it.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:46:00 -
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Idea n1. standard dice fleet... you might kill 1 or 2 bs and then your tiny fleet would die, sitting in your own bubble and unable to do anything, really. You stated the reason actually.
Idea n2. Short range battleships. You cannot focus fire, so you won't be breaking any tanks in reasonable time. Also it is hard to fit 8 smartbombs and ecm burst, apart on ravens due to cpu issues. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me. |
Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele
Originally by: Ephemeron And with standard fleet bs setup, how would you penetrate such defense on other side of the gate?
Scout it, enter the system from a different route and engage at range.
The defending side would also have scouts. If they are smart, they can move the camp to another gate. The way EVE systems are setup, it takes much longer to enter the same system from another route than it takes for people in that system to reposition themselves on another gate.
The element of surprise is very important here. The attacking fleet would not expect to encounter such a tactic. Chances are, they would reason simply "we have much more ships, therefore we can win by engaging directly" and they would try it.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2006.08.29 06:51:00 -
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I actually have played around with Megathrons setup with 8 smartbombs and 2 ECM bursts, with heavy cap injector and all. It does fit. And it works by camping front end of a warp bubble. I'm using that experience and extend it to full potential.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.29 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron I actually have played around with Megathrons setup with 8 smartbombs and 2 ECM bursts, with heavy cap injector and all. It does fit. And it works by camping front end of a warp bubble. I'm using that experience and extend it to full potential.
For that to work as intended, u need full rack of wcs. It does fit on mega & typhoon, but apocs&armas have issues. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me. |
Dexter Rast
Dexter Rast Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.29 09:18:00 -
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Turiya Flesharrower
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.29 09:32:00 -
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I'd considered a similar tactic, however the difficulty in maneuvering the ships into a spherical formation would make it a serious headache. Also, you'd want to fit a prototype cloak onto each ship and have them all cloaked when the enemy scout arrives; that way the enemy will jump right into you without even knowing you're there. -----
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Fred 104
1st Royal Marines
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:29:00 -
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I think as a hypothetical tactic it's a great idea, just like a massed attack Raven. However, also like a massed attack Raven, I doubt it would be very feasible to actually use in the game. Still, great idea imho.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.29 10:58:00 -
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well i just make warp point and snipe your ass, cos your bs in buble that just way to easy
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Ginaz
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.08.29 11:02:00 -
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You can't focus your fire and you won't pop any enemy BS before they move out of smartbomb range and regroup. Even long range fitted BS will hit other BS at short range.
Focused fire > smarties
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