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Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
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Posted - 2011.11.27 17:20:00 -
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In the Name of the Lord
To whom it may concern,
it shall be public knowledge that the house of dGÇÖHanguest condemns the +ôuvre titled GÇ£Odelya dGÇÖHanguest in Sensitive GirlGÇ¥ and that we opine that this so called GÇ£work of artGÇ¥ consists of nothing else than insidious, distasteful, and blasphemous pornography.
By unanimous decision of the family council Odelya dGÇÖHanguest shall not be considered a member of the family dGÇÖHanguest anymore. Her rights to inheritance are deemed null and void. Independent lawyersGÇöfrom both royal and imperial law firmsGÇôhave rendered expert opinions that her status as Duchess of Pallas, and 1st Baroness of Artusci and Chitarus forfeited lat+ª sententi+ª (by opinion of imperial law), or rather is in abeyance (by opinion of royal law). The public may account for that in its correspondence with the aforementioned party.
Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest CEO of Ishtirak dGÇÖHanguest |
Cosmo Cyrano
October Country
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Posted - 2011.11.27 17:40:00 -
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This condemnation is worthless without pictures. Please attach the material in question so that we can all learn to recognise distateful blasphemy when we see it, and avoid it in future.
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Graelyn
Wolfsbrigade
84
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Posted - 2011.11.27 18:50:00 -
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Well, that'll happen.
Bringing shame to the family has consequences. + Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit"
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
182
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Posted - 2011.11.27 19:18:00 -
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On the IGS of all places. Public shame to the family brings public shame from the family. |
Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2011.11.27 20:03:00 -
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Interesting. Would Odelya deem to comment on this? |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
415
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Posted - 2011.11.27 21:22:00 -
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I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Gottii
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
17
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Posted - 2011.11.27 21:36:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence.
No doubt alone....in your quarters....throughout the night. |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
140
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Posted - 2011.11.27 23:25:00 -
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Gottii wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence. No doubt alone....in your quarters....throughout the night.
Glad we got the mature Matari' opinion on the matter.
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Kel hound
Traveler 52 D-Collective
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Posted - 2011.11.28 00:30:00 -
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So... wait. A young Amarrian lady stars in an independent film that happens to deal with adult themes in a mature and (in my opinion) tasteful manner and her family's response is to disown her?
...I do not think I will ever understand the Amarrian people. |
ValentinaDLM
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
408
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Posted - 2011.11.28 00:34:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence.
For once, I approve your statement Rodj, I too want a copy to examine to be sure, this is indeed not of an artful nature. I would be remiss to blindly agree to denouncing something as pornographic without a thorough investigation. |
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Mikkel Lybecker
Gradient Electus Matari
8
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Posted - 2011.11.28 01:21:00 -
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I always thought that the smooth, rounded surfaces of Amarr ships, stations and architecture were a subconscious attempt by Amarrian designers to externalise and fetishise internally-repressed sexuality. Just saying. |
Aestivalis Saidrian
SplitPush Mercantiles
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Posted - 2011.11.28 02:10:00 -
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Close enough.
Then you have some of the Minmatar designs where I looked at it and said to myself "Stabber? I know what this stabs."
That being said, the crew aboard Stabbers are good folk and having flown a Stabber for a bit, I have nothing but respect for them.
Also, I have to say that the girl knew what she was getting into. Do I think its a bit overboard? Sure. But all the same, things such as that Independent Movie, are against cultural norms.
Also, yes, most of the Amarr ships look pretty phallic to me. |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
18
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Posted - 2011.11.28 02:39:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:On the IGS of all places. Public shame to the family brings public shame from the family. Katrina, given the context, are you sure you didn't mean pubic shame instead?
Given the rather broad and vague definition of pornography used by many Amarrians (at least among the capsuleer class, and presumably among a fair amount of the Empire's baseliner population), I'm left wondering if it was actually something that most other people would consider pornographic in nature, and not just something that would serve as an example for some of the stereotypes that are perpetuated by this sort of incident.
A clarfication would be rather beneficial here, I think - specifically, an explanation of what exactly made the +ôuvre qualify as pornography in the family's eyes. |
Gottii
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
17
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Posted - 2011.11.28 03:00:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:Gottii wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence. No doubt alone....in your quarters....throughout the night. Glad we got the mature Matari' opinion on the matter.
I thought you would be pleased with the comment, Lady Goldcore.
If it makes you feel better, think of it as one more reason you need to enslave my kind and further our development as mature human beings.... |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2011.11.28 04:49:00 -
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Gottii wrote: If it makes you feel better, think of it as one more reason you need to enslave my kind and further our development as mature human beings....
Heeeeeere we go again. .domination sentinel .stillwater |
Mikkel Lybecker
Gradient Electus Matari
8
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Posted - 2011.11.28 05:15:00 -
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It's all a bit academic really. I guess my point was that if everything else in your society is designed like a sexual fetish object, you don't really need pornography.
Also, publicly announcing reputation-cleansing activities is actually a really bad way to cleanse your reputation. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
184
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:44:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote: Katrina, given the context, are you sure you didn't mean pubic shame instead?
No. I did not.
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
105
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Posted - 2011.11.28 07:36:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:Gottii wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence. No doubt alone....in your quarters....throughout the night. Glad we got the mature Matari' opinion on the matter.
I can provide the immature Matari opinion, but you should be warned ahead of time that it involves fart jokes and horrible innuendo. |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
140
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Posted - 2011.11.28 07:37:00 -
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while this news is important, I think what may be more important is to discuss what exactly is the line between art and ****. To be honest its a fairly vague line with no easily defined rules.
Some material is obviously art, while others are obviously nothing more than, well, pornography.
I haven't exactly come across any material from the Theology council on the matter, nor is it ever discussed in any detail. |
Mikkel Lybecker
Gradient Electus Matari
8
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Posted - 2011.11.28 09:25:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:while this news is important, I think what may be more important is to discuss what exactly is the line between art and ****. To be honest its a fairly vague line with no easily defined rules.
Some material is obviously art, while others are obviously nothing more than, well, pornography.
I haven't exactly come across any material from the Theology council on the matter, nor is it ever discussed in any detail.
That's because it's a massively non-useful dead horse go-nowhere discussion.
I get a furniture catalogue sent to me by email, I see furniture. Someone else with a furniture fetish (probably an Amarrian) gets the same catalogue sent to them and sees arousal material. To them, it's ****. To me, it's shopping. Likewise, some people like to watch holoreels of adults in consenting reproductive situations. I really don't. To them, that's ****. To me, it's either comedy or tragedy, or in some cases horror - but it's definitely not ****.
There's just nothing more to say about this beyond "I like X, you like Y, so what of it'. Pornography, like art, is 100% in the eye of the beholder, so you can't ever really make any sensible or useful conclusions from this question.
And kicking the girl out of the family for stashing a bit of film seems a bit harsh, but then, we are talking Amarr here, so I guess whatever. I'm sure the family will sort it out somehow. Or maybe they wont. In any event, there are more important things to think about. Like what I'm having for dinner tonight. Who votes that I start a cooking thread? |
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
302
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Posted - 2011.11.28 12:15:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Heeeeeere we go again.
Did someone say my name? My ears are all a-twitch! Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
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Posted - 2011.11.28 17:52:00 -
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Many of us in the Minmatar Republic look forward to seeing this Amarrian work of art. |
Kalaratiri
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:43:00 -
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Telegram Sam wrote:Many of us in the Minmatar Republic look forward to seeing this Amarrian work of art.
And many more of us don't give a **** |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:45:00 -
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down with this sort of thing |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:54:00 -
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Mikkel Lybecker wrote:
That's because it's a massively non-useful dead horse go-nowhere discussion.
I get a furniture catalogue sent to me by email, I see furniture. Someone else with a furniture fetish (probably an Amarrian) gets the same catalogue sent to them and sees arousal material. To them, it's ****. To me, it's shopping. Likewise, some people like to watch holoreels of adults in consenting reproductive situations. I really don't. To them, that's ****. To me, it's either comedy or tragedy, or in some cases horror - but it's definitely not ****.
There's just nothing more to say about this beyond "I like X, you like Y, so what of it'. Pornography, like art, is 100% in the eye of the beholder, so you can't ever really make any sensible or useful conclusions from this question.
And kicking the girl out of the family for stashing a bit of film seems a bit harsh, but then, we are talking Amarr here, so I guess whatever. I'm sure the family will sort it out somehow. Or maybe they wont. In any event, there are more important things to think about. Like what I'm having for dinner tonight. Who votes that I start a cooking thread?
Intent is huge here though. If she intended to make smut, then her family has every right to striking her from the family. If she was tricked into making smut (but otherwise intended well), it may be harsh, but she should know better... someone in her position should have plenty of people around her to warn her. Though if she did mean it as art, and it was done well as such, then perhaps its a little hyperbolic...
As far as the furniture example, I don't buy it. If your familiar with the test of an idiot in a hurry test, it wouldn't stand up. For those unfamiliar, the idiot in a hurry test is basically a simple question, 'would an complete idiot (with no knowledge of the subject matter) passing by it quickly confuse it for anything other than what it is.' No one, no matter how stupid or rushed would ever confuse a furniture catalog with ****. If they had some strange fetish, they still would know it was not smut, just that they liked what they saw. Likewise there are some works which are clearly pornographic, and while they may include some elements of an artistic work, they aren't art.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
420
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:15:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:down with this sort of thing
Careful now.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
105
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:17:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:Likewise there are some works which are clearly pornographic, and while they may include some elements of an artistic work, they aren't art.
So, the issue becomes: who decides what's 'art'?
There was an artist, some time ago, that purchased a waste recycler, gave it a fancy-sounding title and entered it in an artshow unaltered. When they asked him why it should be called 'art', he said 'Because I say so'.
The Idiot in a Hurry test is a good standard by which to judge the value of an artistic work, but the test is dependent on what the viewer defines as 'art'. Some may actually find the idea of 'furniture-as-art' appealing, and view a furniture catalogue as an example of artistic expression. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
302
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:36:00 -
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Likewise, you get some people who equivocate even within art forms. For instance, imagine the hidebound critic who insists that piano concertos stop at Vierre, and refuses to accept that the latest release from Arella Kassigainen is even music. (Incidentally, seriously, listen to Arella Kassigainen's latest release. Proof, if proof were needed, that just because Nugoeihuvi are businessmen first and foremost, it doesn't mean they can't publish true gems in the music industry from time to time). Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
42
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:36:00 -
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For such a supposedly pious and reserved lot you Amarr certainly enjoy a good public flogging. Totally aside from the argument of whether the work in question is artistic or prurient, why the need to air your dirty laundry in public? It seems to me that this is a private matter that should have remained within the family.
Thanks for the many jokes that are coming out of this, though.
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Tobias Primus
Laudate Domini
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:45:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest is a trusted and loyal Servant of God and Empire. Might I remind you all of her glorious work and theology leading to the devout Book of Prayers.
She has previously hinted to me of past behaviours not in keeping of the Faith, and devoid of her Family's pleasure, though I have never, along with her Father and the Empire, considered them sufficient cause to dispell my fervent belief in her true pure nature. It was perhaps a wandering from the enlightened path which gave her occasion for reflection, and a closer embrace of truth.
I see only malicious accusations from her Family. I see that she is condemned only by lawyers employed by them, without fair and open deliberation. Most importantly, I see no clear, irrefutable presented evidence that she has violated either Divine or Natural Law.
Let us remain silent on this matter and allow frivolous matters to fade.
Odelya d'Hanguest remains a trusted and loyal member of the Empire, with Unity and warm embrace.
Tobias Primus Loyal Servant of the Empire |
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
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Posted - 2011.11.28 20:21:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:down with this sort of thing Careful now.
Quite. it is UnAmarrian to rush. |
ValentinaDLM
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
408
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Posted - 2011.11.28 20:34:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote: So, the issue becomes: who decides what's 'art'?
I think most in Amarr would agree with whatever the Theology Council said on the matter, which is probably precisely why the theology council doesn't say much on things like this, because if they really were to have their say on everything in culture and society no one anywhere in the Empire would be having any fun.
I however, being a capsuleer and not really subject to nor caring about anything the Theology council says, have a differing question: Why would art and pornography be mutually exclusive categories? |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
105
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Posted - 2011.11.28 23:26:00 -
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ValentinaDLM wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote: So, the issue becomes: who decides what's 'art'?
I think most in Amarr would agree with whatever the Theology Council said on the matter, which is probably precisely why the theology council doesn't say much on things like this, because if they really were to have their say on everything in culture and society no one anywhere in the Empire would be having any fun. I however, being a capsuleer and not really subject to nor caring about anything the Theology council says, have a differing question: Why would art and pornography be mutually exclusive categories?
That's actually an interesting point: what's the difference between me showing myself off, and a statue of me that shows the same thing? |
Mikkel Lybecker
Gradient Electus Matari
13
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Posted - 2011.11.28 23:50:00 -
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It's hard to recycle my dead horse into cat food while you're all still whipping it. |
Ciarente
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:35:00 -
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Mikkel Lybecker wrote: Who votes that I start a cooking thread?
If you're busy, I always find a supper of fish and rimpon with shrip and neglippine takes only a few minutes to whip up. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
302
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:47:00 -
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Ciarente wrote:If you're busy, I always find a supper of fish and rimpon with shrip and neglippine takes only a few minutes to whip up.
I actually took a leaf out of the Achuran cookbook. Throw chicken, red peppers and noodles together in a pan with sunflower oil and a liberal slug of rice wine - or substitute white grape wine if you prefer. Dust generously with chilli, black pepper and cinnamon, and fry for about five to seven minutes.
It serves just about any purpose - tasty convenience food, or a simple but impressive dish for guests that takes little time to prepare. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:59:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence.
I'm sure your...aaaahh...working hand...approves of this prospect, yes?
(Just as an aside: Sanctimonious Amarrian hypocrisy is fun!)
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:10:00 -
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Gottii wrote:Thgil Goldcore wrote:Gottii wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence. No doubt alone....in your quarters....throughout the night. Glad we got the mature Matari' opinion on the matter. [...] enslave my kind and further our development as mature human beings....
^^In her quarters...throughout the night, and many nights to, errrm...well, come.^^
Mind you, if that's the form this much-ballyhooed next Reclaiming I keep hearing about is to take, then I'd be...down for it
(Tarryn doesn't quite cut the camera-feed before the picture shows him trying, and failing, to smother a giggle)
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zero2espect
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2011.11.30 07:51:00 -
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It is against 0000 policy to comment on any Legionnaire's activities whether past or present.
All that can be said is that upon entering the Legion Gates and volunteering to earn the right to wear the Kepi Blanc, Odelya d'Hanguest forgo any and all links to her previous life. On 2011.04.28 the entity formally known as Odelya d'Hanguest ceased to exist for those outside of our small family. Her new family of warior brothers and sisters now provide for her every want and need. As with all Legionnaires, we will be with her to the very end, she will be part of our history forever.
For what reason this topic has been started is not my place to comment.
[As sung] Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien I Regret Nothing Non! Rien de rien ... Non! Je ne regrette rien Ni le bien qu'on m'a fait ni le mal Tout +ºa m'est bien +¬gal!
Non! Rien de rien ... Non! Je ne regrette rien... C'est pay+¬, balay+¬, oubli+¬ Je me fous du pass+¬!
Avec mes souvenirs J'ai allum+¬ le feu Mes chagrins, mes plaisirs Je n'ai plus besoin d'eux!
Balay+¬s les amours Avec leurs tr+¬molos Balay+¬s pour toujours Je repars +á z+¬ro ...
Non! Rien de rien ... Non! Je ne regrette rien ... Ni le bien qu'on m'a fait ni le mal Tout +ºa m'est bien +¬gal!
Non! Rien de rien ... Non! Je ne regrette rien ... Car ma vie, car mes joies Aujourd'hui +ºa commence avec toi!
[Translation] No! Absolutely nothing... No! I regret nothing Neither the good that I've done nor the bad All this is much the same to me!
No! Absolutely nothing... No! I regret nothing... It is paid, swept away, forgotten I don't care about the past!
With my souvenirs I lit a fire My sorrows, my pleasures I need them no more!
Swept away the love affairs With their tremors Swept away forever I leave with nothing ...
No! Absolutely nothing... No! I regret nothing Neither the good that I've done nor the bad All this is much the same to me!
No! Absolutely nothing... No! I regret nothing... Because my life, because my joys Today that begins with you!
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
306
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Posted - 2011.11.30 10:06:00 -
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Interesting that you'd Gallentean choose a love song for the purpose of describing your relationship with her, though... Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Aracturus
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:21:00 -
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Damn. Can't believe I almost missed a discussion of pornography. Sorry I'm late guys, Wheres the ****? |
Daniel L'Siata
Echelon Conflict Resolution. Dragoons.
30
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:31:00 -
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Take off the first I in the ticker, move the other a space over and...
Voila! Instant summation. |
Karmilla Strife
Damnation Angels
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Posted - 2011.11.30 16:17:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Interesting that you'd Gallentean choose a love song for the purpose of describing your relationship with her, though...
I think it's cute. |
Mikkel Lybecker
Gradient Electus Matari
15
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Posted - 2011.11.30 16:21:00 -
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Aracturus wrote:Damn. Can't believe I almost missed a discussion of pornography. Sorry I'm late guys, Wheres the ****?
Don't get too excited. The Amarr idea of pornography is probably something like a briskly upturned ankle.
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Aracturus
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.11.30 16:25:00 -
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Mikkel Lybecker wrote:Aracturus wrote:Damn. Can't believe I almost missed a discussion of pornography. Sorry I'm late guys, Wheres the ****? Don't get too excited. The Amarr idea of pornography is probably something like a briskly upturned ankle. Oh. Well in that case...
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Mya Bagrationi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:31:00 -
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Gentlemen,
in this moment I have undocked in Hek with 517 copies of "Sensitive Girl". Free copies are available at Planet I. Only one copy per person. Enjoy!
XOXO Mya |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
111
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Posted - 2011.11.30 23:00:00 -
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Mya Bagrationi wrote:Gentlemen, in this moment I have undocked in Hek with 517 copies of "Sensitive Girl". Free copies are available at Planet I. Only one copy per person. Enjoy! XOXO Mya P.S.: While I am flying towards Amarr (same planet, same amount of copies), I am pleased to tease you with the cover of this delicate production.
((OOC note: Please mark that kind of thing as NSFW! I browse these forums at work, and supervisors tend to terminate employees who look up pictures of scantily-clad females on office time.)) |
Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
58
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Posted - 2011.12.01 13:13:00 -
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Pictures or it didnt happen |
Irongut
Sex Money Guns Unprovoked Aggression
0
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Posted - 2011.12.05 15:36:00 -
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Elson Tamar wrote:Pictures or it didnt happen
Open your eyes man and look up slightly!
Mya Bagrationi wrote:I am pleased to tease you with the cover of this delicate production.
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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
24
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Posted - 2011.12.07 19:43:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Gottii wrote:Thgil Goldcore wrote:Gottii wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence. No doubt alone....in your quarters....throughout the night. Glad we got the mature Matari' opinion on the matter. [...] enslave my kind and further our development as mature human beings.... ^^In her quarters...throughout the night, and many nights to, errrm...well, come.^^ Mind you, if that's the form this much-ballyhooed next Reclaiming I keep hearing about is to take, then I'd be... down for it (Tarryn doesn't quite cut the camera-feed before the picture shows him trying, and failing, to smother a giggle)
Purely for science of course. Regards,
Sgt. Aiwha |
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David Atkins
Fail Force 5 Chaos Theory Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.12.08 02:09:00 -
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It saddens me when I see such instances of free thought and artistic integrity stifled by a dogmatic Amarrian noble family. We have many such pieces in the Federation, and they are indeed celebrated as works of art, dealing as they do with complex mature themes in a way that is not only impressive but also well executed. Of course, however, this is the major difference between our two realms, isn't it? Mine is free and yours is...well... |
Gierres Champanhette
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.08 07:41:00 -
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Interesting, this public condemnation is certainly something that you -don't- see on a daily basis. But then again, I barely have time for such material. Though I, like many others on the digital forum should seek to request a copy of what your House has deemed distasteful so that I may make an opinion on behalf of Exec-Sol.
Please upload the data via XMP wiring codes: 009X07PQAZESOL.
Regards,
Gierres Champanhette,
your budding capsuleer! |
Laria Raven
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.12.08 13:16:00 -
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Is this like Interstellar Intrigue? Because those are very educational. |
Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:08:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Interesting. Would Odelya deem to comment on this? I know I should not and under regular circumstances I would not, but since even you, Silas, lowered yourself into a state of making smutty remarks whenever you see the opportunity, I believe I have to do it now. I simply wasn't aware that gullibility and oafishness are such widespread phenomena these days.
Rodj Blake wrote:I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence. And as far as I can see nobody has examined any evidence, for the simple reason that there is no such. The rumours which where spread by my wicked and unscrupulous sister, GÇ£supportedGÇ¥ by an amateurish fabrication of an unknown capsuleer, who was without credible reputation or history and is now not even existing anymore, are nothing more than sick and malicious fiction.
Tobias Primus wrote:I see only malicious accusations from her Family. I see that she is condemned only by lawyers employed by them, without fair and open deliberation. Most importantly, I see no clear, irrefutable presented evidence that she has violated either Divine or Natural Law. You speak the truth, Tobias. I am sure that everywhere where reason governs it will be understood that I will not reveal the internal strifes thatGÇöand here even I can only guessGÇömade my sister lapse into obloquy and slander.
I invite everyone who wishes to insult me to the field of honour.
Love, Odelya d'Hanguest Exalted Cherry Blossom etc. |
Mikkel Lybecker
Gradient Electus Matari
42
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:20:00 -
[55] - Quote
Thanks for clearing that up. At least now I know why my holoreel never arrived. I want my 2950 ISK back though. |
Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
101
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:59:00 -
[56] - Quote
Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:To whom it may concern,
it shall be public knowledge that the house of dGÇÖHanguest condemns the +ôuvre titled GÇ£Odelya dGÇÖHanguest in Sensitive GirlGÇ¥ and that we opine that this so called GÇ£work of artGÇ¥ consists of nothing else than insidious, distasteful, and blasphemous pornography.
Well, while we're all just throwing our opinions out unsolicited to the public... this condemnation makes me really want to see this work of art. EVE Online IdeaTorrent |
Tobias Primus
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
1
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Posted - 2011.12.28 11:56:00 -
[57] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:You speak the truth, Tobias.
The slander to which you have been subject, and the frenzy by which so many capsuleers joined the quest to see the supposed art, speaks of a debase want of bodily pleasure rather than a quest for truth.
Truth is clearly evident to any who would have themselves in full servitude to God, Empire and Empress.
All our lives would be better fulfilled in seeking enlightenment, Divine truth, and doing so as Brothers and sisters of The Empire.
I rejoice in that one so very blessed by such works as the Book of Prayers has risen above all that she stands accused.
Tobias Primus, Loyal Servant of The Empire. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1133
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Posted - 2011.12.31 14:48:00 -
[58] - Quote
posting in a thread where some people seem to believe that membership of a political union that supports the dehumanizing corrosion of sentient slavery is somehow less obscene that removing ones clothes and ******* another for consensual fiscal profit.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Eternum Praetorian
Club Bear
239
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Posted - 2012.01.01 01:14:00 -
[59] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: I invite everyone who wishes to insult me to the field of honour.
Love, Odelya d'Hanguest Exalted Cherry Blossom etc.
Odelya d'Hanguest, I represent certain producers looking to create a rated version of the holo-video Tron Legacy. You have juist the look we have been looking for from the lips to the hair style. I will be playing the lead male role on the account of my massive black Brutor junk, and I would very much appreciate a EVE Mail in game.
Your line in the film shall be "Take me captain, take me hard" after which, I will. call me. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Tobias Primus
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
5
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Posted - 2012.01.01 20:01:00 -
[60] - Quote
Jade,
It is through Service to The Empire, and Slavery to those who turn away from Enlightenment, that we protect ourselves from dehumanisation and moreover encourage those aspects in us all which God wishes to be most keenly expressed.
Tobias primus, Loyal Servant of The Empire. |
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RoyAraym
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.01.02 03:29:00 -
[61] - Quote
Posting in a discussion about pornography (... quite interesting thing ) supposely with an Amarrian noble girl as main actress ( VERY interesting thing, in the end ), I was moved to search any infos available about this honourable lady...
... I find her suitable for a role, but a little too much skinny. I doubt she can endure enough "artistic phisical activities"...
... so, in the end, I'm probably sure that she didn't do it: working for any adult holo-film is pretty phisical. Not for anyone... Beware: Made in Italy!-½Non c'+¿ problema!Tu mi dici quello che devo fare...... ed io lo faccio.-+ |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
69
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Posted - 2012.01.05 09:34:00 -
[62] - Quote
There is no thing like pornography.
There are naked human bodies, bodies that we have been born with, bodies in which we die. Bodies in which we capsuleers enter or leave daily the pod. I say even the plain idea of pornography is a hypocritical lie of the zealots and the established Amarr religion and church with just one goal: to oppress women.
They call women that sell sexual cordialities "public" women and whores.
But is it not exact the other way round? That "public" women are not allowed by the public to freely dispose about what they like to do with their body? That those "whores" just sell what they have? Still they have their body and can sell sexual favors and are no "public girls" that are not allowed to do so. Instead the "public" demands them to spread their legs for nothing but a word of "god" in the name of the church or what?!
I know this kind of swine that put a girl a bun in the oven and then leave without ever paying for compensation.
The girls that receive a one-time-fee for that receive more than most of those swine would pay in a lifetime if they use one of those "public girls" to satisfy their needs and leave the girl used and exploited. Because they leave her with all the consequences. I say: pay for it.
And in this case I can say that we're talking about a free girl, a proud capsuleer. And while there is no proof of what she is accused to have done, it is no crime anyway. Even not a moral one.
When talking about crimes, how about the thousands and millions of slaveholders, that go to sexual assault the slave-girls in their pits against their will? Why doesn't anyone throw them out of families?
Chauvinism. Hypocritical bastards. Amarrian society. Hope you all burn for that in the thing you call hell. And we Matari will go to shovel the coal to that fire. That'll be heaven!
Alica snorts. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
152
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Posted - 2012.01.05 17:16:00 -
[63] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:I know I should not and under regular circumstances I would not, but since even you, Silas, lowered yourself into a state of making smutty remarks whenever you see the opportunity, I believe I have to do it now. I simply wasn't aware that gullibility and oafishness are such widespread phenomena these days.
Now that you have publicly denied these allegations, I of course withdraw any previous humorous comments that were at your expense. No hard feelings, my dear.
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Conventia Underking
Teraa Matar
127
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Posted - 2012.01.05 22:20:00 -
[64] - Quote
Alica Wildfire wrote:There is no thing like pornography.
There are naked human bodies, bodies that we have been born with, bodies in which we die. Bodies in which we capsuleers enter or leave daily the pod. I say even the plain idea of pornography is a hypocritical lie of the zealots and the established Amarr religion and church with just one goal: to oppress women.
They call women that sell sexual cordialities "public" women and whores.
But is it not exact the other way round? That "public" women are not allowed by the public to freely dispose about what they like to do with their body? That those "whores" just sell what they have? Still they have their body and can sell sexual favors and are no "public girls" that are not allowed to do so. Instead the "public" demands them to spread their legs for nothing but a word of "god" in the name of the church or what?!
I know this kind of swine that put a girl a bun in the oven and then leave without ever paying for compensation.
The girls that receive a one-time-fee for that receive more than most of those swine would pay in a lifetime if they use one of those "public girls" to satisfy their needs and leave the girl used, bruised and exploited, naked on the floor. Because they leave her with all the consequences. I say: pay for it.
And in this case I can say that we're talking about a free girl, a proud capsuleer. And while there is no proof of what she is accused to have done, it is no crime anyway. Even not a moral one.
When talking about crimes, how about the thousands and millions of slaveholders, that go to sexual assault the slave-girls in their pits? Why doesn't anyone throw those suckers out of families?
Chauvinism! Amarrian society! Hope you all burn for that in the thing you call hell. And we Matari will go to shovel the coal to that fire. That'll be heaven! The only real pornography in New Eden is the Book of Prayers and other of those called scriptures. Hypocritical bastards.
Alica snorts.
I don't believe there is any evidence of Amarrians universally or stereotypically objectifying women, socially or culturally. For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!
Teraa Matar - the Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
69
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Posted - 2012.01.06 01:10:00 -
[65] - Quote
Conventia Underking wrote:I don't believe there is any evidence of Amarrians universally or stereotypically objectifying women, socially or culturally.
It's hard to prove what an Amarrian thinks - still you can't open heads and look for thoughts. But I can point the finger on the scripture they are poisoning minds with - their own and all others. And there is nothing more chauvinistic and women-oppressing, racist piece of text that ever has been printed.
It says it's a message of love. But why then it is so full of hate and crime, murder, blood, rape, revenge, senseless bloodshed and assaulting women in every way you can imagine? Why does it's word spread slavery? Why does the Amarrian church tell us to be slaves?
What's that patronizing bullshit, that's spitting in the face of humanity?
You may walk the earth with the word of love on your lips. But better you don't trust on this kind of religion. A religion that's spreading hate more than anything else. And if people find "God" they do it despite there is religion and these kind of hate-scriptures.
The only thing we Matari have is our freedom from this. And we have paid for it with our blood. And for our ancestors that were dying for it, I swear we keep it like this.
And above all this rabble about religion is the plain truth: there is no god. It's just us.
So what's the plan behind those who lie about this "god"?
You want an alternative? I have a better concept than this at hand: science and the concept of humanism that follows the logic of this. Values of my tribe. I believe you what you can prove. What you can't prove is not true. It's even not working, so why shall anyone believe it? Where's the gain? The scriptures and religions fail in proving anything they claim that is. And worse than this they lose ground to science every day. We prove that they have been wrong in one thing after an other, daily. It's a lost battle the Amarrians are fighting. A battle against reality. A battle that was lost with the first Khumaak splattering the head of the first slave-master and spilling his brain to the floor.
We started to say: NO And we keep it like this. It's the WHY and the sceptic thinking that broke the control of the Amarr Empire over us. And the gap in the foundation is widening every day since the rebellion. The cause is doomed. And without it's foundation the Empire will collapse. It just takes time and our resistance to prevent them to undo history and turning back the clock. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Conventia Underking
Teraa Matar
127
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Posted - 2012.01.06 01:15:00 -
[66] - Quote
It would seem that we are not on the same page... or even reading the same book. For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!
Teraa Matar - the Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking |
Annara Shardani
Xim-Retni
5
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Posted - 2012.01.06 02:13:00 -
[67] - Quote
I believe ms Wildfire is speaking more from her heart than her mind. I also do not believe that she has actually read the Scriptures. Is she aware that this "chauvinistic and women-oppressing" culture she seems to think we have is lead by an empress who is, without a doubt, a woman? |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
69
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Posted - 2012.01.06 09:24:00 -
[68] - Quote
Annara Shardani wrote:I believe ms Wildfire is speaking more from her heart than her mind. I also do not believe that she has actually read the Scriptures. Is she aware that this "chauvinistic and women-oppressing" culture she seems to think we have is lead by an empress who is, without a doubt, a woman?
It is of no importance if a woman is having the leadership if the rest is unfree. It is of no importance in an Empire if some people are free when most of it's inhabitants are kept in slavery.
And I don't know what you've been reading. But the scriptures indeed are written by men, not women. It's patriarchal. Like most religions it's a tool for oppression. Nothing more.
That's why the Republic doesn't like it in our space too much - still it isn't forbidden. But remember the last salvation crusade of yours. Mind the fate of Abel Jarek. That's what happens to the word spreading oppression on our land. We fight it.
I admit it was the most sublime attack of the Empire on our free Republic. Maybe one of the most dangerous ones. So our enemy is clearly your religion. We are not fighting a religious war, we are fighting a cultural war. We are defending the idea of freedom against any attack from your side. Freedom to live our own culture in which your sort of religion plays no role.
Indeed our songs are about the world and not the world in heaven. Your songs are about our fears and our hopes and not the fear of hellfire or the hope to march into heaven. We are practical. Show me a hell or a heaven that I can touch and I hope or fear for it. Build some hell or heaven from twisted words and that don't mean a thing.
The hell on earth is slavery. Especially if you are a woman. I can't believe you doubt that.
Heaven is to be free. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
228
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Posted - 2012.01.07 13:07:00 -
[69] - Quote
You obviously do not know what you are talking about. |
Balthazar Baraz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:47:00 -
[70] - Quote
It is of no importance if a woman is having the leadership if the rest is unfree. It is of no importance in an Empire if some people are free when most of it's inhabitants are kept in slavery.
Tell me, who is oppressing women?
There is no Amarrian law or text that says women are chained, shackled or of any less importance in the Empire. Nor is women's freedom restricted any more than men, it appears you are just making baseless assumptions.
Here is the fundamental difference in our thinking; you think slavery is contradictory to freedom, whereas I believe slavery leads to freedom.
And I don't know what you've been reading. But the scriptures indeed are written by men, not women. It's patriarchal. Like most religions it's a tool for oppression. Nothing more.
The original texts were passed down from divine beings through medium of Prophets, Saints, Priests and various Emperors. Amarrian's and those of faith refer to the Scriptures as The Word of God - because that is what they are.
They may of been recorded and maintained by Imperial Theologians but they were not devised or created by them.
You clearly have no understanding of the Scriptures because if you did, you would understand that they are not a "tool for oppression" but they are in fact a library of information - vast - beyond your wildest imagination. Detailing everything from daily lives to technological advancements.
That's why the Republic doesn't like it in our space too much - still it isn't forbidden. But remember the last salvation crusade of yours. Mind the fate of Abel Jarek. That's what happens to the word spreading oppression on our land. We fight it.
You fight it because you do not understand it. Eventually you will see the truth of the matter, unfortunately it may be too late for your soul.
So our enemy is clearly your religion. We are not fighting a religious war we are fighting a cultural war.
Our religion is heavily ingrained in our culture, this much we were taught by God. This is not so dissimilar from your Tribal roots which are ingrained in your culture. Except our religion is of Divine origin and supersedes that of any lesser beliefs.
We are defending the idea of freedom against any attack from your side. Freedom to live our own culture in which your sort of religion plays no role.
We are also defending your freedom, your freedom to be at one with God. You are attacking us because of your narrow-minded and inept sense of freedom sold to you by conmen, we are the bringers of Gods freedom and we bring it free of charge.
Indeed our songs are about the world and not the world in heaven. Your songs are about our fears and our hopes and not the fear of hellfire or the hope to march into heaven. We are practical. Show me a hell or a heaven that I can touch and I hope or fear for it. Build some hell or heaven from twisted words and they don't mean a thing.
The hell on earth is slavery. Especially if you are a woman. I can't believe you doubt that. Ever seen a pit? Your religion, your scriptures and that - are the same.
The Minmatar people are indeed a practical peoples; which is why you make such excellent workers, so why not work for a higher purpose?
You've already shown us that your knowledge of the Scriptures is fundamentally flawed, so why don't you check in at one of my plantations? I would be more than willing to expand your horizons.
Quote:Heaven is to be free. There it starts and has no horizon. Our fate is not in our hands, but Gods.
Fixed that for you. |
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
46
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:04:00 -
[71] - Quote
Balthazar Baraz wrote:Quote:Heaven is to be free. There it starts and has no horizon. Our fate is not in our hands, but Gods. Fixed that for you.
NO you fixed it for yourself
You off course have right to your opinion what you don't understand however is that rest of the world have right of opinion too and couldn't give less frak about opinion that some person ages ago came to some Amarr pagans and said "you know what you need to do is torture/enslave/drug up/starve to death/wipe out on planetary scale a lot of man/women/baby's to be cool like me'.
And breed them up again because not having second's is lame.
So i hope that your thick narrow minded head can understand that you are just minority with some rly messed up dogmatic views on world.
You had a blast pilaging/murdering/exterminating but you hit the wall called the rest of us that evolved and flourish in fraction of the time your backward empire did(i wonder why),and it game over you can jap and whine here and there about slave the galaxy crap but that's about it.
Have a nice one.
P.S. on pron issue stupid is stupid does. |
Balthazar Baraz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 22:17:00 -
[72] - Quote
I'm sorry but I didn't understand a word of that. Boosters are bad for your health. |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
71
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Posted - 2012.01.08 08:06:00 -
[73] - Quote
What she said is this:
We Minmatar are doing good in ignoring your scriptures. Because if we read them and find something interesting, the theological council is coming along and cry "Heresy! heresy! No no no! You are too dumb to understand the scriptures!"
It's a catch 22. All truth on earth are simple. Two and two make four. Don't believe me? So count them yourself. And if you find out that on your scriptures two and two make five, good luck with your next hyperspace jump.
We Minmatar do not need to interpret the scriptures to see that they are evil. Because the theological council is doing it much better (they say) than anybody could. They justify slavery and all kinds of cruelty from those scriptures. And they are unfailable (they say). So if in the name of the scriptures Minmatar are maimed and slaughtered, are enslaved and die like flies on Amarrian behave, when the masters are allowed to rob cradles, pull the mothers away from their families and use them for their own pleasure like they like - and to be sexual abused is not the worst case scenario which a sick Amarrian mind can breed. They kill our people, they destroy our culture, they cap hands of the musicians and drug dead our poets. They burn and forbid our books and literature. They burn and laser down our ancient and holy places. They done that a thousand years already.
If in the name of the scriptures millions of Minmatar slaves are forcefully put under the influence of Vitoc to make them submissive to their masters orders, destroying their minds and what you call souls, if all that happens in the name of the scriptures thenGǪ
Alica is setting fire on a heap of papers and books on the floor. Smoke slowly rises then with a silent "puff" the whole heap is going up in hot flames.
Burn Amarr, burn, burn, burn. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
229
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Posted - 2012.01.08 13:17:00 -
[74] - Quote
The Theology Council is not doing better than anyone, but you are certainly not doing better than them by falling for easy prejudices and broad blanket statements.
You should actually read the Scriptures and books before burning them. |
Balthazar Baraz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:29:00 -
[75] - Quote
Resorting to biblioclasm only proves that you are in fact nothing more than uneducated, malevolent savages. |
Kaleigh Doyle
Voyeur Studios
37
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:24:00 -
[76] - Quote
I find all of this amusing and none of this surprising, given the source...
Quote:Happy birthday, Kaleigh! From: Odelya d'Hanguest To: Kaleigh Doyle If you fancy lesbian adventures and can keep a secret, drop me a message. I would love to see you wearing one of my uniforms while shouting anti-war slogans.
Love from the sacred flower garden, Odelya
And if you'd been slightly less crass in your approach I might have even taken you up on your offer, If you're this obvious in private, I could only imagine what sort of cringe-inducing orgy you managed to fabricate in in front of a poorly lit holo-vid recorder. Young girls these days are all energy and no technique; Amateurs.
xoxo |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
71
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:29:00 -
[77] - Quote
Lyn Farel wrote:You should actually read the Scriptures and books before burning them.
I have read them. That's why they are burning.
And I asked myself if I might misunderstood their message, but when I check the interpretation of the Theology Counsel I confirm my own reading. And this means the scripture in their official way of interpretation support slavery, support racism, support the use of Vitoc to enforce the control over the slaves.
And this means, I use all your theological book for heating purpose now.
There are books that are meant for reading. But some books are not. This is not because I don't understand them. It's because I indeed do. And I don't fall for the wrong Gallente-like sort of liberalism of racism- and hate-printings. I spend a couple of Thrasher hulls for crewmen, that want to intercept cargo vessels that leave Amarr stations, to spread copies of those scriptures all around our space. Because I don't exactly buy the stuff I burn. I confiscate it. To buy it would mean to give money to the enemy.
Of cause this will destroy some of my Amarr standing but who cares if you have minus 9.0 or minus 10.0? The 24th crusade doesn't like me either. Maybe this is due to a few dozen podkills of crusaders.
For Amarr Empire I am counted as a terrorist anyway. And not only just for my regular smuggle trade of Small Arms into Empire space. Maybe my affiliation as Minmatar Militia and my long history of destroyed Amarr installations count towards it.
There are people that just talk. And some otherGǪ
Alica takes an exemplar of the 'Book of Reclaiming' and reads:
"I give to you the destiny of Faith, And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13
GǪare made to serve different.
She smiles, when she opens a small cast-iron stove and throws the concoction into the fire and puts a pot of water on the stove to make hot water for Minmatar Spiced Wine. She nips on a hot steaming glass of wine. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
147
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:53:00 -
[78] - Quote
There are a lot of things you can accuse the Amarr empire of being. Sexist is not one of them, Ms. Wildfire.
Anyways, I think this is getting a bit off topic, is it not? |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
71
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:03:00 -
[79] - Quote
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:There are a lot of things you can accuse the Amarr empire of being. Sexist is not one of them, Ms. Wildfire. The scriptures only talk of the MAN or MEN. When they talk of women they talk of slaves. Never of leaders. Never of prophets. They talk about women when they talk of whores. They talk about women when they talk about sin and temptation.
The only "positive" picture the scriptures paint of women is of a mother. Great.
Girl get laid and serve as a breeding machine or you are worthless.
No sexism, eh?
FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
173
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:25:00 -
[80] - Quote
ART THAT CELEBRATES EROS VERSUS PORNOGRAPHY
Let us not lump together two very different forms of expression. Art calls us to a deeper recognition of the higher elements of our humanity. Art that focuses on eros draws the mind, emotions, and appreciative senses to the dignity of human intimacy. It celebrates individual liberty as it is joined with the individual liberty of another in an act of mutual physical, emotional, psychic, and spiritual unity.
Pornography is one of the ultimate forms that expresses human frustration and isolation. It is as far from art as one can get unless your art is the abstraction of human isolation and frustration. Pornography is the un-expression of intimacy. It is "anti-intimacy" if you will. Pornography is the shortcut of the impatient man or woman who seeks intimacy but in frustration does not have the patience to wait for the real thing and so accepts a counterfeit.
That is why pornography leads to exploitation. Pornography, unlike the art of eros, focusses only on the liberty of one while denying the liberty of the other. In the end, no one finds liberty, but rather bondage. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
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Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
74
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:46:00 -
[81] - Quote
Ston Momaki wrote: no one finds liberty, but rather bondage.
Well if thats your thing then thats your thing, whatever rocks your ship so to speak.
Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
229
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:53:00 -
[82] - Quote
Alica Wildfire wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:You should actually read the Scriptures and books before burning them. I have read them. That's why they are burning. And I asked myself if I might misunderstood their message, but when I check the interpretation of the Theology Counsel I confirm my own reading. And this means the scripture in their official way of interpretation support slavery, support racism, support the use of Vitoc to enforce the control over the slaves. And this means, I use all your theological books for heating purpose now. There are books that are meant for reading. But some books are not. This is not because I don't understand them. It's because I indeed do. And I don't fall for the wrong Gallente-like sort of liberalism of racism- and hate-printings. I spend a couple of Thrasher hulls for crewmen, that want to intercept cargo vessels that leave Amarr stations, to spread copies of those scriptures all around our space. Because I don't exactly buy the stuff I burn. I confiscate it. To buy it would mean to give money to the enemy. Of cause this will destroy some of my Amarr standing but who cares if you have minus 9.0 or minus 10.0? The 24th crusade doesn't like me either. Maybe this is due to a few dozen podkills of crusaders. For Amarr Empire I am counted as a terrorist anyway. And not only just for my regular smuggle trade of Small Arms into Empire space. Maybe my affiliation as Minmatar Militia and my long history of destroyed Amarr installations count towards it. There are people that just talk. Some are for deeds. There are books for reading and some otherGǪ Alica takes an exemplar of the 'Book of Reclaiming' and reads:"I give to you the destiny of Faith, And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13 GǪare made to serve mankind different. She smiles, when she opens a small cast-iron stove and throws the concoction into the fire and puts a pot of water on the stove to make hot water for Minmatar Spiced Wine. She nips on a hot steaming glass of wine.You should see the paper machine that I use to produce toilet paper on my facilities. The squiggles you use in your scrolls are great for cleaning. You may call me a savage if you like and I'll wear that with pride. But at least I'm a clean one. And my rooms are warm and cozy. Sebiestor ingenuity even finds practical use for such books.
Where you see comic relief and provocative manners that you are probably proud of, I only see utter ignorance - how can someone be so uneducated ?
What are the Scriptures ? If you do not even know how to answer to that question, that will only prove my point.
People burning books for the simple reason that one of them might be unacceptable do not deserve any mercy.
Alica Wildfire wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:There are a lot of things you can accuse the Amarr empire of being. Sexist is not one of them, Ms. Wildfire. The scriptures only talk of the MAN or MEN. When they talk of women they talk of slaves. Never of leaders. Never of prophets. They talk about women when they talk of whores. They talk about women when they talk about sin and temptation. The only "positive" picture the scriptures paint of women is of a mother. Great. Girl get laid and serve as a breeding machine or you are worthless. No sexism, eh?
Much like in all the ancients texts I have had the occasion to read in most of the cultures, to my knowledge. |
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
192
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:13:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote: What are the Scriptures ? If you do not even know how to answer to that question, that will only prove my point.
A collection of assorted knowledge and teachings, be they about everyday life to the divine. All of this from the mouth of God, says the priests.
Lyn Farel wrote: People burning books for the simple reason that one of them might be unacceptable do not deserve any mercy.
Rather extreme, don't you think? To be merciless over books? Of course, the Scriptures are no mere writings to an Amarrian, are they?
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Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
71
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:21:00 -
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Lyn Farel, first about the question about the picture of the woman that is drawn by Matari culture, I can say that some of the most powerful figures in our tales are women. For example the tale about the Valkyries that collect the best of those fallen in battle and bring them to the goddess Frigg, to her F+¦lkvangr. Goddess over life and death, weaver of fate. Warrior-girl and smart protector of home and family, of clan and tribe, superior to the man-warrior of rape and insanity, of madness and brutality. Protection and defence. This is what the Minmatar culture has to give to women.
What has the Empire to give? Slave pits and industrialized rapecamps. At least they keep the girls high on Vitoc to ease their suffering, yeah?
Ston Momaki wrote:GǪArt that focuses on eros draws the mind, emotions, and appreciative senses to the dignity of human intimacy. It celebrates individual liberty as it is joined with the individual liberty of another in an act of mutual physical, emotional, psychic, and spiritual unity.
Pornography is one of the ultimate forms that expresses human frustration and isolation. GǪ
That is why pornography leads to exploitation. Pornography, unlike the art of eros, focusses only on the liberty of one while denying the liberty of the other. In the end, no one finds liberty, but rather isolation. Interesting statement and well observed. The question is, where you draw the line.
The question is where stops art, where begins pornography? As with every art there is a step of compression, a step into abstraction of the whole issue. And with the step into abstraction you'll take shortcuts. If the shortcut is emphasizing the spiritual nature of sexuality or if it is lowering it down into profanity is a hard to link to scenes.
Well, you can say if it is well played it is art. Well you can say the best art is when it is not played but showed. You can argue that describing the scene with a lot of words is art. You can argue that letting away any words and show the bodies is art.
I think the line between art and pornography is indeed arbitrary. It is in the eye of the beholder. And while I can take any profane shilling shocker and easily begin to interpret is as if it were a piece of art, and would indeed get some aspect out of it that are of value, you can rip apart every piece of culture as if it was worthless on the other side as a critic. There is no thing like pornography, there is no profanity.
Both are aspects of ignorance of the beholder. And with ignorance they are aspects of the context the beholder is looking at them. It's prejudice, not fact.
If have seen an interesting experiment, while I was studying the Vherokior fiddle. One of the best Matari fiddlers of the Republic was standing at the entrance of a commuting center on Matar and played some of the most valuable ancient tunes on his violin. People were ignoring him "just as an other street-musician beggar" and thousands were passing by without listening. In fact they didn't even seen him while he was standing right in front of them.
In a music hall they would have had to pay small fortunes to join his audience and listen to his performance. Given out for free in the context of a commuting center they were ignorant to his art.
I think the same happens with pornography. People have moral issues with watching naked bodies, people only see the context of profanity, where there is nothing like profanity. There is no thing in the world that is boring. There are just people that never have learned to watch with the right sense of mind. And see the world with the eye of an artist.
That's what I think. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
229
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Posted - 2012.01.10 21:57:00 -
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Rek Jaiga wrote:A collection of assorted knowledge and teachings, be they about everyday life to the divine. All of this from the mouth of God, says the priests.
What say the priests here is irrelevant, but my question was aimed to captain Wildfire. What she is actually burning is not the Scriptures, it is merely the Book of Reclaiming, and yet, she shuns it all together.
Rek Jaiga wrote:Lyn Farel wrote: People burning books for the simple reason that one of them might be unacceptable do not deserve any mercy.
Rather extreme, don't you think? To be merciless over books? Of course, the Scriptures are no mere writings to an Amarrian, are they?
Knowledge is the very essence of humanity. Without it, we are mere animals, or even nothing at all. So it might indeed be the worst crime of all to burn it to ashes.
Alica Wildfire wrote:Lyn Farel, first about the question about the picture of the woman that is drawn by Matari culture, I can say that some of the most powerful figures in our tales are women. For example the tale about the Valkyries that collect the best of those fallen in battle and bring them to the goddess Frigg, to her F+¦lkvangr. Goddess over life and death, weaver of fate. Warrior-girl and smart protector of home and family, of clan and tribe, superior to the man-warrior of rape and insanity, of madness and brutality. Protection and defence. This is what the Minmatar culture has to give to women.
What has the Empire to give? Slave pits and industrialized rapecamps. At least they keep the girls high on Vitoc to ease their suffering, yeah?
Not really, no. I do not see the point to argue with someone not even able to take some detachement. |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
174
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Posted - 2012.01.11 02:07:00 -
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Ms. Wildfire, quick question if you please. Do you hold to an epistemology of Empiricism? It appears that you do. I ask that I may better understand your approach to issues.
Sincere thanks, Ston The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Mikkel Lybecker
Gradient Electus Matari
131
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Posted - 2012.01.11 03:02:00 -
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Oh no. I relook at this thread after several days and not only is it still going for some inexplicable reason, but people are actually discussing the incredibly daft, boring, pointless, never-been-a-worthwhile-conclusion-drawn-from-it-in-over-20000-years dead horse discussion that is "is **** art"? I closed that avenue off on the bottom of the first page (because I saw this nonsense coming) so you people would know better than to go there, but here you all are ideologically circle-jerking anyway. Ugh. |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
71
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Posted - 2012.01.11 09:34:00 -
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Mikkel Lybecker wrote:Oh no. GǪ Oh no. Don't drink and write Mikkel. And for getting off sexual frustration you are in the wrong sort of bulletin. It may frustrate you that after 20.000 years people still talk about issues. But I guess you made my point without even noticing. That boredom comes from ignorance.
Not from the fact that the world has nothing to give or that things are too shallow.
I expected better from Gradient. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Mikkel Lybecker
Gradient Electus Matari
131
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:48:00 -
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I'll drink and write if I want to.
Any conversation that goes on for 20000 years is probably overstaying its welcome just a little.
Implying that I'm some kind of traitor to my race because I don't find endless back-and-forth pseudo-philosophical conversations about other people's fetishes useful or interesting is drawing a very long bow indeed.
I was going to write something else but I forgot what it was. I think I need another drink. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
51
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Posted - 2012.01.11 13:35:00 -
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It is simple:
nude person in some form of historical scene, possibly posing with a historical weapon = Art
nude person in a contemporary scene, posing with everyday objects, such as a datapad = Erotica
nude person in an obvious sexual pose = pornography
And with that said, I refer to my previous post in this thread, some time ago:
Down with this sort of thing. |
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
85
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Posted - 2012.01.11 13:43:00 -
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Mikkel Lybecker wrote: Implying that I'm some kind of traitor to my race....
She does that. Alot. If you would win the war against the Empire tomorrow, she'd probably be the first one to say 'them Krusual are just a weight on the matari society, we should purge them out'
Valerie Valate wrote:I And with that said, I refer to my previous post in this thread, some time ago:
Down with this sort of thing.
Probably a Theology Council provocation, hm?
.domination malakim .stillwater |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
71
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Posted - 2012.01.11 13:48:00 -
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Mikkel, I don't exactly understand what you mean with the word pseudo-philosophical, especially what you mean with "pseudo", while of cause I know the words, the meaning of this combination is vague and I don't think I should guess. But maybe when you get sober again, you can ashame us all with some real philosophical contribution to this conversation, that would us pseudo-philosophers make flush in front of so much wisdom in one person.
But until now it seams the vapor of alcohol has set like fog over the brilliance of your speeches.
No-one said you are a traitor. I just said I hope you can do better, after you have overcome some of your flaws. Means that behind all this foggy something I am quite sure is a brilliant mind, that just is covered by frustration, drug influence and cynicism that you are not performing on the level on which I would like to see you and that would fit you better, I think.
You may disagree with me. You may close your eyes to the world. But if you do that it's just a cowardly form of suicide.
And -yes- you made a point. Since 20000 years people talk about things like the weather, like their families, what to do about their children, how to help a fellow comrade that is going down in public or things like that. And they all try to find out how the world is ticking, if there is a superior being, a universal maker and all that.
But that this conversations is going on for so long doesn't mean they are all pointless. If you think that you are just ignorant. And what I think about that I already said.
You can do better. I believe in that. Anyone can. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
552
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Posted - 2012.01.11 14:29:00 -
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Alica Wildfire wrote:Mikkel, I don't exactly understand what you mean with the word pseudo-philosophical, especially what pseudo means. I took it as a reference to the general tone of the discussion: Devolving into some sort of ad hominem flaming and repeating points without changing anything in the hopes that if the same thing is said three times, it will suddenly convince everyone else. Her point being that if 20,000 years of repeating the same arguments didn't convince certain people, another 20 pages on IGS won't do it, either (a sentiment I can agree with, but I don't feel the need to jump into a discussion to tell people who apparently enjoy the topic). I do not think her comment was intended as an attack on anyone in particular here. And from knowing Mikkel personally, she is not in the habit of thinking herself as much smarter than the rest of the world, so I guess that was a misunderstanding, too.
To make a philosophical debate on "is this art," you need a definition of the term "art." The discussion thus should be "what do we mean when we use the term 'art?'" But that's not the content of this discussion - it's not about "art" at all, but about ethics. The topic is whether certain behavior is "ok" or "not ok," but that debate is thinly hidden beneath the cover of a discussion of "this is art" "no it is not" with the implied assumption that "if it's art, it's ok" (a somewhat interesting assumption to begin with that would also need to be examined in a philosophical debate on the topic of "art").
Well, as I'm already here, I might as well note something on-topic:
The original topic of this thread is a basic disagreement on social norms. Every society implements norms on what is and is not acceptable (as well as "considered courteous" and "considered rude") within that society. The reasons for many norms arbitrary. The goal for all of them is to make a society work well, which means that the people within the society are feeling good.
Considering that the reasons for such norms are mostly arbitrary, it is no wonder that it's difficult to simply convince others with rational arguments of their validity. You need to accept certain basic premises from which then the norms follow logically, but if you disagree with those premises, the norms are not logical at all. In the case of the original post, I would argue that the person in question broke a norm implemented and accepted by their social group. I consider breaking the social norms of a society you voluntarily live in to be rude, and would argue that the correct way to go about it is to find a new social group first, and then act on your personal preferences. As a consequence for breaking the norms of a social group, exclusion is a pretty good solution. The person should find a social group that fits better with their personal premises and norms than their old group.
At least exile is a much saner solution to the problem than slavery or death.
There are other interpretations of the situation, though. For one, the person in question denies the allegations, which makes it possible that this is a simple attempt at disinheriting an unwelcome family member. Alternatively, this might also be a semi-hidden advertisement campaign by the producer of the work in question.
There's also some sidetracking of a discussion regarding a large amount of contradicting texts called "The Scriptures" that vary from very explicit to extremely vague, where a lot of people spend a lot of time debating which texts exactly belong to that group of texts they consider "the REAL scriptures" and which do not, and also regarding how metaphorical certain explicit phrases really are - up to the point where debating parties can almost literally argue that "war means peace." Those discussions seem to me to be mostly attempts at reconciling inconsistent personal belief systems, though. |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
71
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Posted - 2012.01.12 14:12:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:Devolving into some sort of ad hominem flaming and repeating points without changing anything in the hopes that if the same thing is said three times, it will suddenly convince everyone else. Her point being that if 20,000 years of repeating the same arguments didn't convince certain people, another 20 pages on IGS won't do it,GǪ And I agree with that. But we are neither disputing those issues for those who have closed their ears, nor for those who are on our side of the argumentation. We dispute issues for those who want to understand.
And things may be said in so many different ways.Like poetry is saying the same thing in a new way. And this new way sometimes is just the way that someone understands, who was unable to understand before. This is what we try.
Quote:To make a philosophical debate on "is this art," you need a definition of the term "art." It is true that the perception of what is art and what is not art is arbitrary and is also part of the culture the beholder is coming from. But the dispute the issue of this opens the minds and make people understand. It is enlightening in best case. If we just permanently agree with everybody that we do not agree we will never understand anything.
And this is the path into war and destruction.
For example I had a dispute with one of my teachers about what is art or not. He said, that he was fed up with low quality performances and can't stand them anymore. Which he meant was, I think, that he was fed up with people that want the status of an artist, that are no artists in their heart, they just want to count as those, because it pleases their ego. But that was not what he said.
So I vehemently disagreed. I have seen pictures of young children that had no polished technique in it. But a lot of expression of feelings. Like the expressionists paint for example. People may not understand what they are doing, but for me such a picture has a lot more emotional value than one of those technical perfect pieces of graphical art, that are without any meaning at all - those used in commercials. Technique has nothing to do with art. It will come if you work hard, but it is more a thing that you can't avoid to learn over time. The important thing is, how I see it, the heart behind it.
And what we beholder have to learn is to distinguish between technique and content, depth. I personally reject propaganda, while I'm perfectly aware that every expression of a piece of art wants to propagate a message. But is this message coming from his heart or is it a lie? Is he doing it, because he is feeling it or is he just paid for it and feels nothing?
I support the point of view that you can see this when you look at a work. You see it if you look at a warrior, too.
But it is a difficult issue. I also said that you can see art everywhere when you look at the world with the eye of an artist. If you begin to understand the world. Though the impression you have.
And those important questions stay for 20000 years, because the world changes, we change and with this the meaning of art changes too. And we must talk about this to understand. To understand the other. To come together. That's why I'm fighting ignorance when I see it. At least I have to say when I see it. There is no progress in a world of universal con-sense. The only progress in the world comes through conflict. And art is maybe the best way to fight this conflict.
That's why we must talk about it. The alternative is bloodshed in consequence. It is in-acceptable to agree to not agree. The world is conflict and every minutes of consense where a suppressed disagreement stays will result in a more powerful, more violent battle the next time. The rebellion was one of those events and the "reclaiming" is an other. After 1000 years of "consense" under the whip hundreds of worlds went into rebellion. We still have no idea how many lives that did cost and how much blood.
Quote:There's also some sidetracking of a discussion regarding a large amount of contradicting texts called "The Scriptures" that vary from very explicit to extremely vague, where a lot of people spend a lot of time debating which texts exactly belong to that group of texts they consider "the REAL scriptures" and which do not, and also regarding how metaphorical certain explicit phrases really are - up to the point where debating parties can almost literally argue that "war means peace." Those discussions seem to me to be mostly attempts at reconciling inconsistent personal belief systems, though. And this is the reason why I think any religion is a bad base of operation to come together. Any comings together of religious leaders in the world that end in "peace" end in an ignorant "we agree to disagree". The only way to come together can be the logical and moral base science had come up with hundreds of years. Base of understanding of the human nature, of the world and being together that are based on facts and not ideologies or religions.
And the door to do that is -I think- art. And culture. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
558
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Posted - 2012.01.12 14:37:00 -
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Alica Wildfire wrote:And I agree with that. But we are neither disputing those issues for those who have closed their ears, nor for those who are on our side of the argumentation. We dispute issues for those who want to understand. Indeed, indeed. It's one of the interesting aspect of public forums that debate is not done for the benefit of the person you debate with, but for the silent auditors. It's a kind of theatre performance. An art in itself.
And things may be said in so many different ways.Like poetry is saying the same thing in a new way. And this new way sometimes is just the way that someone understands, who was unable to understand before. This is what we try.
Quote:It is true that the perception of what is art and what is not art is arbitrary and is also part of the culture the beholder is coming from. But the dispute the issue of this opens the minds and make people understand. It is enlightening in best case. If we just permanently agree with everybody that we do not agree we will never understand anything. Yes. The point I was trying to make is that the debate should probably not be about what art "is", but what we - individually - refer to as "art," and what all we mean to imply when we use the term - the connotations of the term "art." That's exactly the kind of debate you want: The debate to produce mutual understanding. Restricting ourselves to telling each other that something is or is not "art" is just detracting from that issue.
As a case in point, the discussion here is not - as I mentioned - about whether some kinds of depictions of sexual acts are "art" or not, but whether they are "ok" or "not ok", and why we believe that they are that. Debating whether they "are art" is just detracting from that actual point.
Strictly speaking, it does not matter whether we call it "art" or anything else: We think this is "ok" and even "good" for various reasons. We attribute those reasons to the term "art", but if we simply discuss whether it "is art" or "is not art", we ignore what we actually value there and simply discuss whether the other person's use of the term "art" is "correct". And that's completely missing the point of the discussion.
The discussions that get entrenched in the debate about what is or is not the correct use of the word "art" are boring. The discussions that are hidden because of those debates would be extremely interesting.
Quote:It is in-acceptable to agree to not agree. I strongly disagree. On the contrary, I find it extremely important to have many disagreeing opinions. But only once you understand how a different group is different, can you accept them as different - it's ok for them to be different, there is no need for everyone to be alike. Diversity is good. Each tribe is different, each clan is different. Diversity is our strength. And that's how it should be. |
Odelya d'Hanguest
Khanid-damashii
45
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Kaleigh Doyle wrote:I find all of this amusing and none of this surprising, given the source... Quote:Happy birthday, Kaleigh! From: Odelya d'Hanguest To: Kaleigh Doyle If you fancy lesbian adventures and can keep a secret, drop me a message. I would love to see you wearing one of my uniforms while shouting anti-war slogans.
Love from the sacred flower garden, Odelya And if you'd been slightly less crass in your approach I might have even taken you up on your offer, If you're this obvious in private, I could only imagine what sort of cringe-inducing orgy you managed to fabricate in in front of a poorly lit holo-vid recorder. Young girls these days are all energy and no technique; Amateurs.xoxo
Well, I take back this generous offer. Now that I've seen your full body, you're a bit too adipose for my taste. (Maybe see a nutritionist?) And when it comes to the discussion artGÇöpornography: You only need to open your mouth, Kaleigh, and it is pornography. If I however would decide to open my legs and let the whole population of Heimatar in, it would be art.
Love (to the rest of you), Odelya Exalted Cherry Blossom |
Darc Kaahar
Valkyr Industries
11
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Posted - 2012.01.12 14:54:00 -
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What the shuddering ****? |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
71
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:23:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:Alica Wildfire wrote: It is in-acceptable to agree to not agree.
I strongly disagree. On the contrary, I find it extremely important to have many disagreeing opinions. But only once you understand how a different group is different, can you accept them as different - it's ok for them to be different, there is no need for everyone to be alike. Diversity is good. Each tribe is different, each clan is different. Diversity is our strength. And that's how it should be. Ah here is a point where I feel misunderstood.
It is the same way "War is Peace" is a general misunderstanding like "Slavery is Freedom". Indeed to turn around the facts to express the opposite is a very artistic form of making a point, that needs explanation.
I just used a different form of "War is Peace" when I said that's inacceptable to agree to disagree and that we have to live in a permanent world of confrontation to keep peace. But the form of battle, the quality of confrontation that is meant with this is indeed not war and killing. It's talking about how we get to peace, it's a permanent ceasefire negotiation. This is the best peace we truly can get without the need to conquer the other side, win the battle and destroy their sort of life and culture to make it like ours. This poisonous sort of peace was between Amarr and Minmatar when they kept us in slavery. Both cultures agreed to disagree, we suffered. Finally it erupted in an epic battle that is still going on and cost tenthousands of lives every day if not more.
Because any static peace is just to agree to disagree and the conflict potential is adding up over time with that. And every static peace is ignoring the fact that the world is permanently changing, both sides are changing and the needs and abilities to accept certain compromises change more or less dramatically.
So this dichotomy is not to take literal. And any attempt to do so is futile and absurd. But like it is in any form of expression if you look at it with the mind of an artist, you can salvage truth from it. It does not make it right or wrong, but context always gives sense.
This is how I understand the Scriptures could be read. But then there is nothing sacral in the scriptures but in the way people approach it with their problems. Still the dichotomy is neither real nor true. It's like an enigma that leads to enlightening. But if you take Scriptures as-is it leads to madness. Like "War is Peace" to take literal. It must not taken literal nor static. It must be openly questioned and disputed with an open, skeptic mind. Then and only then it is leading to something and doesn't need to be burned. While the Amarrian culture is blocking indeed this way to approach their scriptures by forbidding any form of exegesis that is not sanctioned by their inquisitive high-priests as heresy the Scriptures remain useless, futile and destructive. The cultural disaster of Amarr is that they forced a peace on their religion instead letting it live in a constant change through interpretation. The only result this permanent peace can have is either the destruction of their religious culture or their oppressing Empire.
And we Minmatar just try to keep them at distance on gunpoint and reject any attempt to "outsource" their internal struggle on the outside world by projection.
As long as their own religion is dead and enslaved by their Empire it is best for the Amarr when we burn their holy scriptures until they understand our form of interpretation of them and change their state of mind, to negotiate a compromise we Minmatar can accept. A compromise without the need to threaten and enslave my kin.
Quote:You only need to open your mouth, Kaleigh, and it is pornography. If I however would decide to open my legs and let the whole population of Heimatar in, it would be art. That indeed would be an interesting way to see pornography.
By the state of mind in which it is produced. Still hard to look into minds to see the state. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Kaleigh Doyle
Red Skies Enterprises
39
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Posted - 2012.01.12 17:41:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: If I however would decide to open my legs and let the whole population of Heimatar in, it would be art.
I think a milennia of slavery is enough punishment for the Matari. |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
71
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Posted - 2012.01.12 18:41:00 -
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Kaleigh Doyle wrote:Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: If I however would decide to open my legs and let the whole population of Heimatar in, it would be art.
I think a milennia of slavery is enough punishment for the Matari. If this is becoming a cultural experiment I offer free transportation opportunities by my fleet for willing participants from the Matari population to the set of this event, inside Minmatar space. And I think we can start with selling trousers and panties of Odelya for funding the event. She won't need them anymore.
How many clones do you have ready for action?
Ah on the other hand sex with a mindless clone shouldn't be so much fun. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Eleutherian Guard
57
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Posted - 2012.01.12 19:26:00 -
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Well, hot damn. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
386
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Posted - 2012.01.12 19:54:00 -
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This thread makes me glad for the existence of strong alcohol. It scrubs away the mental imagery..
On a side note, as a resident of Heimatar (mostly) I'll pass. |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
71
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Posted - 2012.01.12 22:12:00 -
[103] - Quote
Boys, boys, don't get overexcited by the project. This is serious business and we have to plan it throughly.
We have for every billion citizen on the plants colonies an average of about 70 years of lifetime. The Minmatar population is growing which means that around every two seconds a new baby is born. About halve of those babies are male, so we get a new born aspirant for Odelyas task every four seconds for every billion citizen or a bit more.
This is not a task we can face without some serious planning. The male capabilities to copulate is way too inefficient to give her a chance to get up with the birthrate. As a capsuleer she's living more or less forever and we have a couple of copies of her bodies. I hope she's having at least five workable clones for the project.
Without any doubt the engineers under my audience will confirm that this task can only be achieved in time when we replace the usual male biological form of copulation with a more efficient method, rationalized and mechanized. My idea is to use an assembly line robotic construction.
Every clone can serve around three clients to be "in" her at a time. If the bodies are fed to the system by robots we can safely bring every step of "in" in around 0.1 seconds without damaging male reproduction organs, while I would strongly recommend well working lubrication systems because it's well known to a modern girl that there are huge quality differences in the size and reliability of these organs which have to be considered, especially in the full mechanized environment where they are supposed to work, without the factor if the guys find Odelya attractive or not.
So with three clients serving her every 0.1 seconds we can have with a maximum of six available clones about 180 penetrations per second, which would compensate the birthrate of about 720 billion Minmatar. I don't know how many Minmatar are at the moment living in Heimatar if it's a lot more we will have to push up the speed to less then 0.1 seconds per "in" step. It might be that steps of up to 50 Hz could be possible which would make the body sing in a deep humming tone. We have to check out if there are resonance issues with the tissue of cause and I think going beyond the 0.1 seconds will stress the safety of our male population in a dangerous way. Suggestions to efficient belt feeding systems are welcome.
We are lucky that Odelya is a capsuleer and will live forever, failing clones can be replaced on the fly with very few loss in efficiency. While of cause we have to test how many clients a body can serve before it is wasted. And also lucky for us Odelya will live almost forever. I have a staff assigned to calculate the needed mechanical parts and robotics for this project and the manual workers that have to strap the clients to the machine and maintain the whole thing.
And I go confirm with Odelya that her project will indeed be a piece of art. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.01.13 03:28:00 -
[104] - Quote
Alica Wildfire wrote:
... Let's spit in our hands and slam the thing! ...
I hate to snip out so much that obviously had a good deal of thought put into it, but this one line stood right out.
Well done Miss Wildfire, well done. |
Verone
Veto Corp
224
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:07:00 -
[105] - Quote
Alica Wildfire wrote:Boys, boys, don't get overexcited by the project. This is serious business and we have to plan it thoroughly.
We have for every billion citizen on the plants colonies an average of about 70 years of lifetime. The Minmatar population is growing which means that around every two seconds a new baby is born. About halve of those babies are male, so we get a new born aspirant for Odelyas task every four seconds for every billion citizen or a bit more.
This is not a task we can face without some serious planning. The male capabilities to copulate is way too inefficient to give her a chance to get up with the birthrate. As a capsuleer she's living more or less forever and we have a couple of copies of her bodies. I hope she's having at least five workable clones for the project.
Without any doubt the engineers under my audience will confirm that this task can only be achieved in time when we replace the usual male biological form of copulation with a more efficient method, rationalized and mechanized. My idea is to use an assembly line robotic construction.
Every clone can serve around three clients to be "in" her at a time. If the bodies are fed to the system by robots we can safely bring every step of "in" in around 0.1 seconds without damaging male reproduction organs, while I would strongly recommend well working lubrication systems because it's well known to a modern girl that there are huge quality differences in the size and reliability of these organs which have to be considered, especially in the full mechanized environment where they are supposed to work, without the factor if the guys find Odelya attractive or not.
So with three clients serving her every 0.1 seconds we can have with a maximum of six available clones about 180 penetrations per second, which would compensate the birthrate of about 720 billion Minmatar. I don't know how many Minmatar are at the moment living in Heimatar if it's a lot more we will have to push up the speed to less then 0.1 seconds per "in" step. It might be that steps of up to 50 Hz could be possible which would make the body sing in a deep humming tone. We have to check out if there are resonance issues with the tissue of cause and I think going beyond the 0.1 seconds will stress the safety of our male population in a dangerous way. Suggestions to efficient belt feeding systems are welcome.
We are lucky that Odelya is a capsuleer and will live forever, failing clones can be replaced on the fly with very few loss in efficiency. While of cause we have to test how many clients a body can serve before it is wasted. And also lucky for us Odelya will live almost forever. I have a staff assigned to calculate the needed mechanical parts and robotics for this project and the manual workers that have to strap the clients to the machine and maintain the whole thing.
The average male population of a planet -8 billion without considering the growth factor- could be served in about a year I guess. How many colonies do we have in the systems of Heimatar? How many personal on stations and ships? I say it's doable but serious work, boys. If we do not have more than 720 billion living Minmatar in Heimatar. Let's spit in our hands and slam the thing!
And I go confirm with Odelya that her project will indeed be a piece of art and I'm excited about her sacrifice for international understanding for peace, art and culture and I already have a tune in mind which I will call "Odelya Humming for Peace".
Mother of god...
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |
Gottii
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
45
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:17:00 -
[106] - Quote
This thread is going places...
Not good places. |
Jev North
Ghost Festival Naraka.
32
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Posted - 2012.01.13 09:03:00 -
[107] - Quote
I woke up with a two-day gap in my memory and a note taped to the clone tube saying "do NOT read the [ISHTI] thread," and.. well, damn. Curse curiosity. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
386
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Posted - 2012.01.13 10:30:00 -
[108] - Quote
There is now not enough alcohol in the galaxy to comprehend this...
I'd bash the memories out with a brick if it meant I'd be without risk to return here, as noted by Captain North sadly, this isn't guaranteed. |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
74
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:16:00 -
[109] - Quote
Details, details, details. I have been contacted that the project will fail, because most of the male citizens will die from aging during this endeavor. No. Of cause the whole thing starts with the male population that is near death, means about the age of 80 or so. And then, slowly as we work our Odelya through the years and against the birthrate of Heimatar, we will be able to climb the ladder down until we reach the 18 year old males, those males that are at the moment not born at all. To be precise even their parents are still not born.
But I don't see any other way to achieve the goal that every Heimatar citizen will at one time of his in Odelya. Of cause we will stop the project with the age of adulthood of the clients. My calculation says it will need something around 70 to 140 years to get it done. There is a lot of inaccuracy in this calculation, because I still have no exact numbers of Minmatar/Heimatar population and I have no idea in which way the population growth of our Republic will develop.
And an other thing is how we fund this operation. I guess we can sell tickets to those who like to be first ones on a fresh clone or get earlier than scheduled into the queue. Maybe we can even start a kind of Minmatar cultural event from this?
The Odelya day maybe. Or being Odelyaed something. And we could invent a certain title of achievement, a sign for the rite of passage for this. Maybe a new kind of Tatt? A flower and a cogwheel or so, I think would be appropriate, no? What ya think?
Alica has a blooming freshness of exploding activity in her appearance when she enthusiastically closes the com. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
194
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Posted - 2012.01.14 05:25:00 -
[110] - Quote
You propose five workable clones?
I will just say this: there have been very able Matari men able to take on a 1v5 and still endure, despite being outnumbered.
You should re-check your numbers. |
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
386
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Posted - 2012.01.14 05:27:00 -
[111] - Quote
Rek Jaiga wrote:You propose five workable clones?
I will just say this: there have been very able Matari men able to take on a 1v5 and still endure, despite being outnumbered.
You should re-check your numbers.
I think you've missed the concept... though it's probably for the best to not have it explained. |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
75
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Posted - 2012.01.14 09:43:00 -
[112] - Quote
Caellach Marellus wrote:I think you've missed the concept... though it's probably for the best to not have it explained. It's relative easy to picture it if you ever have seen a sewing machine. It's just the other way round, that the needle is transported not the cloth. In fact most of you know that infamous Matari painting that you can see in the Pator National Art Gallery "Sebiestor Sewing Girl", no? It was at it's time one of the most controversial paintings and nearly didn't survive burning by the Amarrian inquisition, because many see it as one of the most sexy paintings ever.
Odelya will be the new Sewing Girl. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
297
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Posted - 2012.01.14 12:47:00 -
[113] - Quote
I am shocked. Really.
That everyone here would take such low shots in public at or about Odelya d'Hanguest is shameful. While many in the first few pages of this thread have simply stated their disapproval (or approval) of whatever actions she is accused of taking; this thread has now devolved into the disturbing.
At any rate, I'm sure most of you socially inept Capsuleers find this sort of thing hilarious. However, those of you with any sense of decency would do well to remember that this isn't appropriate.
In short;
Grow up, people. You're acting like virgin adolescents. |
Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
75
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:06:00 -
[114] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:I am shocked. Really. That everyone here would take such low shots in public at or about Odelya d'Hanguest is shameful. First of all it was her idea. Second of all you ever heard of the concept of irony? The whole idea of this "project" is so hilarious that I can't really imagine anyone will take it literally or serious. What we're working on is a way to visualize the madness of the concept of pornography versus art.
Even the most perverted idea of art can still be placed into culture. And this is not about Odelya as a person, which is a well respected capsuleer, this is indeed about the madness of the idea of pornography, which I am showing very much where it leads. It's leading nowhere.
But any path you chose leads to culture and art, if you dare to violate borders, insert new ideas and start to refer to culture there is. If you start connecting and building a context, the minds are opening. Art is not selling itself like the girls that sell their bodies for a cent of an isk at the next station, art may slamming you into the face. It is in itself subversive and aggressive. It's saying things that can't be said by other means. It's inventing new context, new state of minds and new point of views.
It's showing what is. Our world is perverted. Not a simple girl. This is the idea behind the Sewing Girl, isn't it? I couldn't imagine someone doesn't get the picture. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
297
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Posted - 2012.01.14 13:30:00 -
[115] - Quote
Alica Wildfire wrote: First of all it was her idea. Second of all you ever heard of the concept of irony? The whole idea of this "project" is so hilarious that I can't really imagine anyone will take it literally or serious. What we're working on is a way to visualize the madness of the concept of pornography versus art.
Even the most perverted idea of art can still be placed into culture. And this is not about Odelya as a person, which is a well respected capsuleer, this is indeed about the madness of the idea of pornography, which I am showing very much where it leads. It's leading nowhere.
But any path you chose leads to culture and art, if you dare to violate borders, insert new ideas and start to refer to culture there is. If you start connecting and building a context, the minds are opening. Art is not selling itself like the girls that sell their bodies for a cent of an isk at the next station, art may slamming you into the face. It is in itself subversive and aggressive. It's saying things that can't be said by other means. It's inventing new context, new state of minds and new point of views, finding a new path between the trenches of Yes and No.
It's showing what is. Our world is perverted. Not a simple girl. This is the idea behind the Sewing Girl, isn't it? The whole context is just this. I couldn't imagine someone doesn't get the picture.
Oh, I see. While I did catch the obvious sarcasm and absurdity of your 'suggestion', I did not realize why you were making it. In that case, my apologies for misinterpreting what you wrote. |
Kaleigh Doyle
Red Skies Enterprises
44
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Posted - 2012.01.14 21:00:00 -
[116] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:I am shocked. Really.
That everyone here would take such low shots in public at or about Odelya d'Hanguest is shameful. While many in the first few pages of this thread have simply stated their disapproval (or approval) of whatever actions she is accused of taking; this thread has now devolved into the disturbing.
At any rate, I'm sure most of you socially inept Capsuleers find this sort of thing hilarious. However, those of you with any sense of decency would do well to remember that this isn't appropriate.
In short;
Grow up, people. You're acting like virgin adolescents.
Quite the contrary, I believe the entire announcement was intended to have this outcome.
Why risk having such an embarrassing political fiasco publicized when this could have just as easily been done in private behind closed doors? I believe their intent was to punish the girl by humiliating her in front of her peers (and superiors), and given Alicia's rather in-depth analysis of auto erotica I'd say it hit the mark. Whether Odelya's bloated ego even registers this as punishment is entirely another matter, but having experienced her arrogance first-hand I'd say it went cleanly in one ear and out the other.
Personally, I have no problem with her being a **** or a *****. I was a girl (as in immature...) once, and it's healthy to explore, but perhaps all of Heimatar might be too big a step.
xoxo |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
300
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Posted - 2012.01.15 00:08:00 -
[117] - Quote
Kaleigh Doyle wrote:Quite the contrary, I believe the entire announcement was intended to have this outcome. Why risk having such an embarrassing political fiasco publicized when this could have just as easily been done in private behind closed doors? I believe their intent was to punish the girl by humiliating her in front of her peers (and superiors), and given Alicia's rather in-depth analysis of auto erotica I'd say it hit the mark. Whether Odelya's bloated ego even registers this as punishment is entirely another matter, but having experienced her arrogance first-hand I'd say it went cleanly in one ear and out the other. Personally, I have no problem with her being a **** or a *****. I was a girl (immature...) once, and it's healthy to explore, but perhaps all of Heimatar might be a bit much. xoxo
Then I suppose this is a matter of culture conflict.
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Kalaratiri
Teraa Matar
93
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Posted - 2012.01.15 00:54:00 -
[118] - Quote
What the ******* ****. |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
32
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:34:00 -
[119] - Quote
I just looked on here for the first time ever, what the hell? N'maro Makari Special Investigative Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
Nicoletta Mithra
Ordo Novus Mul-Zatah
77
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Posted - 2012.01.16 02:49:00 -
[120] - Quote
Katrina Oniseki wrote:Kaleigh Doyle wrote:Quite the contrary, I believe the entire announcement was intended to have this outcome. Why risk having such an embarrassing political fiasco publicized when this could have just as easily been done in private behind closed doors? I believe their intent was to punish the girl by humiliating her in front of her peers (and superiors), and given Alicia's rather in-depth analysis of auto erotica I'd say it hit the mark. Whether Odelya's bloated ego even registers this as punishment is entirely another matter, but having experienced her arrogance first-hand I'd say it went cleanly in one ear and out the other. Personally, I have no problem with her being a **** or a *****. I was a girl (immature...) once, and it's healthy to explore, but perhaps all of Heimatar might be a bit much. xoxo Then I suppose this is a matter of culture conflict.
It's certainly not how we Amarr use to handle those problems. But then, there are also so many ways to get to a capsuleer. |
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Odelya d'Hanguest
Khanid-damashii
46
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Posted - 2012.01.16 13:06:00 -
[121] - Quote
Hey there,
first of all, I did not speak the truth. And for that I apologise. I lied when I said that there is no movie. There is. But it was never intended to be public. I met with my then-girlfriend Ayelet (I wonGÇÖt give you further details, donGÇÖt ask). We enjoyed ourself, made some pictures while we were naked and while we had sex, we filmed it. Somehow my data storage must have been hacked and someone stole it, designed a cover, and started selling it. This was done against my will and against any intention I had. I am, however, not ashamed of this tape.
My sister confronted me, but didnGÇÖt listen. She finally had found her reason to expel me from the family. But, greedy little *****, weGÇÖll meet again! So far, so expected. But afterwardsGǪ
What happened afterwards, what happened here, was and still is beyond my imagination.
Kaleigh Dole, who is teasing the public with titles such as GÇ£Duchess of DesireGÇ¥, calls me arrogant, inexperienced and whatever, but has no scruple about publishing private mails on the IGS? What does that tell us about her moral qualities? So please apologise in advance that IGÇÖll never trust fat women again. YouGÇÖre the one who should be ashamed, not me. (P.S.: Adding emphasis to every second word doesnGÇÖt necessarily add meaning!)
The only persons here with dignity and high moral standards were Amarr. Not only do they seem to possess the most liberal attitude towards sexuality, but where those without prejudging me at the first sign of doubt. NoGǪ The first stone was thrown by all those who claim to be the pinnacle of liberalism and freedom. The absurd theatre of Ms. Wildfire speaks more than thousand words about the moral standards of those who keep claiming to defend the oppressed. Penetration machines, fresh clones etc.? You describe the worst nightmares of any being with a human soul. I am speechless.
I am not free of guilt. I should have spoken the truth in the first place. But I was afraid of the reaction. Now, I see I donGÇÖt need to fear. ItGÇÖs the best against the rest. And, with the help of the Lord and all his Saints and Angels, I shall never detour from the road to truthfulness again.
Love and admiration, Odelya dGÇÖHanguesst Exalted Cherry Blossom |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
303
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Posted - 2012.01.16 17:22:00 -
[122] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: The only persons here with dignity and high moral standards were Amarr. Not only do they seem to possess the most liberal attitude towards sexuality, but where those without prejudging me at the first sign of doubt.
An unfortunate choice of wording. |
Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
159
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:54:00 -
[123] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote: first of all, I did not speak the truth. And for that I apologise. I lied when I said that there is no movie. There is.
Hmm. I must now withdraw my withdrawal from making humorous and witty comments at your expense. Let the lambasting commence!
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Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
75
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Posted - 2012.01.16 22:01:00 -
[124] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:The absurd theatre of Ms. Wildfire speaks more than thousand words about the moral standards of those who keep claiming to defend the oppressed. Penetration machines, fresh clones etc.? You describe the worst nightmares of any being with a human soul. I am speechless. Thank you. If such critics about the issue of freedom comes from an Amarrian slaver this must be something like a compliment. The best I ever got from the enemy in public. Hope you kickass your wicked sister. Thank you miss. You got the idea. Alica blushes flattered. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Kaleigh Doyle
Red Skies Enterprises
44
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Posted - 2012.01.17 04:37:00 -
[125] - Quote
My, my, our exalted cherry blossom has bloomed into a fiery tempest.
Quote:Kaleigh Dole, who is teasing the public with titles such as GÇ£Duchess of DesireGÇ¥, calls me arrogant, inexperienced and whatever, but has no scruple about publishing private mails on the IGS? What does that tell us about her moral qualities? So please apologise in advance that IGÇÖll never trust fat women again. YouGÇÖre the one who should be ashamed, not me. (P.S.: Adding emphasis to every second word doesnGÇÖt necessarily add meaning!)
I've had my share of public shame, sweetheart, but nothing quite like receiving tactless invitations from complete strangers for wild lesbian encounters. I especially found the part where I was invited to wear one of your uniforms and shout anti-war slogans reflected poignantly of your dignity and high moral standard. This kind of attention might work with teenage girls and paid escorts you might be accustomed to, fumbling in the dark with a night vision recorder, but any woman with a modicum of self-respect would have done the same in my position.
Your little tantrums and insults are meaningless to me, little girl. I've endured far more brutal assaults than your petty, superficial little head can conjur, by far more capable individuals in the tabloid industry. In the end you're still a liar and a shameless **** with a mouth to feed Heimatar and an ego to collapse a wormhole. I'm not intimidated by your ilk.
And I'm glad you enjoyed my various ceremonial titles. You could say I was inspired by one of your fellow Amarrians, a humble servant of God named Vaari, who carries his excess of self-appointed station with the utmost dignity. They say immitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and who better to emulate but such an individual of high moral standard, hm?
xoxo |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
303
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Posted - 2012.01.17 05:36:00 -
[126] - Quote
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:...
Both of you are taking this argument into the ridiculous, and neither of you are looking better for it. I assume you're both trying to shame the other by having it out in public, but you're only shaming yourselves. For the sake of your dignity... stop.
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Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.01.17 06:08:00 -
[127] - Quote
How interesting. It appears you owe a lot of people apologies Ms. d'Hanguest, especially those who rushed to your defense and who now look pretty foolish for having done so.
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Alica Wildfire
Federal Investigations Agency
75
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:00:00 -
[128] - Quote
By the way, why are these fantasies always about a lesbian couple?! I never got it in mind what's so bad about being ****** senseless by a man? And I don't mean this cheap stuff of galnet clips that's more or less rape for money. I'm talking about really making love with fun on both sides and sweat and bodily fluids and that. With showing feeling, affection, playing it out, really having the other. Burning down the house.
True is you never see that on film.
Maybe everybody is so egocentric and "en vogue" that it's not practiced anymore. It's a loss.
It's not the extreme and the rogue, it's the abandon which makes love. FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS |
Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
229
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Posted - 2012.01.17 12:52:00 -
[129] - Quote
This whole thread is disgusting. |
Gistatis Tribunus
The Unknown Bar and Pub
13
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Posted - 2012.01.18 07:10:00 -
[130] - Quote
And here I thought Thukker women knew how to get down and dirty better than anyone else. With this and the recent Empress sex scandal, I probably should have gone Amarr instead. |
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Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.02.02 05:56:00 -
[131] - Quote
Lyn Farel wrote:This whole thread is disgusting.
Agreed. Leave it to the Amarrian higher ups to get into a whole debacle about pornography. And they say we're sex fiends! Fix incursions today! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60460 |
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