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Zappity
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.10.28 08:57:25 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Zappity wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata I know what it means - I don't get how the name has any bearing in EVE... Did the stats get updated or are they still fairly abysmal? epicurus ataraxia wrote:Jokes are funny when seen the first time, they become weary with use. The irony is I don't think it was intended to be funny... Still holding out for my ample, blighted stigmatic weapons... Oh, I misunderstood. I haven't got a clue what it has to do with EVE either. Overcharged would be good. But they removed that from MWD already so I guess that's no good either.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.10.28 08:58:33 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Zappity wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata I know what it means - I don't get how the name has any bearing in EVE... Did the stats get updated or are they still fairly abysmal? epicurus ataraxia wrote:Jokes are funny when seen the first time, they become weary with use. The irony is I don't think it was intended to be funny... Still holding out for my ample, blighted stigmatic weapons...
They are awarded at the annual foot in mouth competition...... They are the current favourites. Hard to imagine someone overhauling them now, but there's always a politician somewhere who can pull a rabbit out of the hat at the last moment.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
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Posted - 2014.10.28 09:20:01 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Hard to imagine someone overhauling them now, but there's always a politician somewhere who can pull a rabbit out of the hat at the last moment. Not with a week to go until release. I can't even test them because the SISI update is fubar'd for me. Despite ample network I've been blighted...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.10.28 09:32:17 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Hard to imagine someone overhauling them now, but there's always a politician somewhere who can pull a rabbit out of the hat at the last moment. Not with a week to go until release. I can't even test them because the SISI update is fubar'd for me. Despite ample network I've been blighted...
Ah, thought it was just me. Keeps trying and failing?
Anyway, hopefully they will choose a name that does not make them look foolish, no one chooses to implement something that opens them to ridicule for years to come.
I think the uses of these weapons will be very niche, so we probably won't see their real effects until they are actually in use on TQ. They can balance them quite quicky with the new patch schedule then.
A bad name they will live with forever though.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Malou Hashur
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.28 10:10:42 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Anyway, hopefully they will choose a name that does not make them look foolish, no one chooses to implement something that opens them to ridicule for years to come.
I think that CCP are of the belief that changing something about one of their bright ideas makes them look more foolish than the original idea was, as it gives the impression that they have "given in".
Everyone else on the planet would change something for the better, no matter how dopey it made them look.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.10.28 10:17:38 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Hard to imagine someone overhauling them now, but there's always a politician somewhere who can pull a rabbit out of the hat at the last moment. Not with a week to go until release. I can't even test them because the SISI update is fubar'd for me. Despite ample network I've been blighted... Ah, thought it was just me. Keeps trying and failing? Anyway, hopefully they will choose a name that does not make them look foolish, no one chooses to implement something that opens them to ridicule for years to come. I think the uses of these weapons will be very niche, so we probably won't see their real effects until they are actually in use on TQ. They can balance them quite quicky with the new patch schedule then. A bad name they will live with forever though.
Math just points that they will be irrelevant on almsot nay scenario. The Stimatic Pulse lasers and AC do LESS damage at worse ranges than normal blasters. Why would anyoen use those?
The only ones we will see used are blasters.. and only against structures and frigates killing larger ships in swarms on very very controlled scenarios.
"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"
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Soden Rah
Rapier Industry and Technology Second Sun Rising
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Posted - 2014.10.28 10:32:43 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:
Math just points that they will be irrelevant on almost nay scenario. The Stimatic Pulse lasers and AC do LESS damage at worse ranges than normal blasters. Why would anyone use those?
The only ones we will see used are blasters.. and only against structures and frigates killing larger ships in swarms on very very controlled scenarios.
It depends on the price.
I used to have a lot of fun in small gang fights flying a Thorax as a speedy tackle dps boat. When the opposition [usually merc corps wardeccing ours] turned up in BS's and they primaried our BS's I lasted quite a while and did loads of dps as a glass cannon fit. These guns if cheap, would make those fits better... IF they are cheap.
They allow you to hide more dps amongst your tackle support ships that are harder for bs's to target and track, and often don't get primaried.
But it only makes sense if they are not too expensive [and don't have their ranges slashed, which is my biggest problem with them as that kills damage application and thus the point]. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:22:15 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Hard to imagine someone overhauling them now, but there's always a politician somewhere who can pull a rabbit out of the hat at the last moment. Not with a week to go until release. I can't even test them because the SISI update is fubar'd for me. Despite ample network I've been blighted... Ah, thought it was just me. Keeps trying and failing? Anyway, hopefully they will choose a name that does not make them look foolish, no one chooses to implement something that opens them to ridicule for years to come. I think the uses of these weapons will be very niche, so we probably won't see their real effects until they are actually in use on TQ. They can balance them quite quicky with the new patch schedule then. A bad name they will live with forever though. Math just points that they will be irrelevant on almsot nay scenario. The Stimatic Pulse lasers and AC do LESS damage at worse ranges than normal blasters. Why would anyoen use those? The only ones we will see used are blasters.. and only against structures and frigates killing larger ships in swarms on very very controlled scenarios.
Ah, ganking then, we will see who finds a use, I do hope they remain VERY expensive, otherwise, well, one can imagine.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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St'oto
Hell's Death Squad
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:37:44 -
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I don't like to be negative but to be honest these weapons as they are, just aren't worth using other then for POS bashing. Hell, "expensive suicide gankers" can use them considering concord really don't care what kind of tank you have. So these new weapons will be good for POS bashing and suicide ganking for the luls. As they won't even be viable for the suicide gankers who do it for a profit!
I mean really... a what...20% increase on DPS for absolutely no tank what so ever? REALLY? Back the drawing board CCP! I won't even comment on the name as the functionality of these weapons MATTERS way more then the naming scheme atm!
So from a vet who's been playing for 11 years now (check my bio for my original char), and who doesn't mind change at all, I still don't see a reason to use these over standard T2.
I mean I'd much rather use standard faction weapon systems over these new "faction weapons" AND I DETEST faction weapons because they don't offer the T2 skill bonuses/ability to use t2 ammo. |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:44:28 -
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A problem I just noticed: In the OP it claims there are "Stigmatic" Heavy Neutron Blasters, but those apparently didn't get seeded on SiSi.
Kind of dumb, really. I had a Deimos prepared to test them with, now I have to go outfit a Zealot, since medium lasers at least exist. |
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:51:44 -
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Updated with the final name.
CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Banana Stand
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:53:24 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Hard to imagine someone overhauling them now, but there's always a politician somewhere who can pull a rabbit out of the hat at the last moment. Not with a week to go until release. I can't even test them because the SISI update is fubar'd for me. Despite ample network I've been blighted...
Working for me now this morning, did nothing to it overnight, so some change outside of me. Give it another go.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:53:49 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Updated with the final name. Because irony.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:57:57 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Updated with the final name.
That works. Thanks for listening.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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KaRa DaVuT
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:08:21 -
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At least more suitable to a science fiction enviroment... |
Skyler Hawk
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:14:52 -
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Polarized is a decent choice. |
Literally Space Moses
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:14:57 -
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Now make them worth fitting.
#T2013
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Nagarythe Tinurandir
Cataclysm Enterprises Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:17:03 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Updated with the final name.
Thanks, thats better!
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Zappity
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:24:28 -
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I'm quite concerned by the apparent lack of understanding shown by the devs on this point so here's a serious post.
Blight Hurlers Blight Lifters Blighted Dagger Blighted Staff Blighted Twigfester Spore (seriously, wtf) Blighted Ivy Skullcap Blighted Leggings Blighted Stone of the Heathen Twisted Blighted Magic
LMGTFY: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=MMO+items+blighted
Starting to see a trend? Now, you might say that because WoW (and others) use such names they must be good. Perhaps. But EVE is not a "game" in the way that WoW is a game and you should not be trying to emulate it. EVE is more of a simulator than a game. The most successful parts of EVE are found when the game sets up opportunities for interaction and then quietly gets out of the way.
Importantly, EVE must be a BELIEVABLE simulator. "Blighted" or "Ample" or "Stigmatic" weapons do not come close to achieving this.
Nor does an entire range of meta variants where you just copy/paste the same word in front of the item type. Not realistic. How so? Think about the 'Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburner'. This was a fantastic name. Why? 1. It sounds technical, futuristic and spacey. 2. It sounds real, just like you could go down to an auto tuning shop and buy one for your motorbike. Same with the "Arbalest" and other ranges - branding is good! 3. It is technically accurate(ish): hydrocarbons burn really well! Maybe they wouldn't in space without oxygen but never mind that. 4. Critically, it has bugger all to do with some pathetic fantasy MMO that I don't even want to be reminded about while playing a space sandbox. 5. It doesn't try too hard. It wins just by sounding authentic and not stripping away the immersion. It sounds like something that a startup space exploration company would actually call their bit of kit.
So stop being lazy about naming just because you are planning whole ranges of new modules and are daunted by names. Stop worrying about 'bad complexity' when it comes to names. Complexity here is GOOD. If you want to assist new players then add a right-click/Show Group option to the market exactly as per PYFA or EFT and sort by meta.
Actions:
1. Put whoever named the original prop mods in charge of naming.
2. Put whoever decided to remove these names as well as the most recent changes including Ample, Blighted and Stigmatic in charge of the tea trolley.
3. If the person who did the original naming isn't around any more than seriously consider a player-driven suggestion mechanism where we can suggest, critique, vote, whatever. Get some of the RP crowd onto it. Seriously. You would still make final decisions but it would make the process easier for you.
It's not rocket science. But it IS meant to pretend to be.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:25:44 -
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Alright.. im happy these weapons have been invented as structure grinding has just been made easier. However i dont personally see the point other than that. Would be happy to be proven wrong however. |
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Ama Scelesta
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:37:12 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:Alright.. im happy these weapons have been invented as structure grinding has just been made easier. However i dont personally see the point other than that. Would be happy to be proven wrong however. Any situation where you think you can avoid the incoming damage or keep it at a low level, but could use more firepower. The weapons will be useful as they are and given time people will find more use cases for them. My bigger worry is that they'll be too expensive and that will be the fact that limits their creative use a lot more then the lack of resists. |
Nordalis Rmith
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:38:27 -
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I like the name as polarized. Thanks for the better name :D |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:47:27 -
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Well, at least it's a technical term.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Cebraio
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:49:02 -
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Finally a name that doesn't stupid!
And it fits because the previous names polarized. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.10.28 12:51:58 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Updated with the final name. Considering how polarizing these weapons are even before their release, this name fits perfectly.
Thanks CCP!
CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking.
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.28 13:51:31 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Updated with the final name.
Much, MUCH better name.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Drackarn
quantum cats syndicate
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:03:54 -
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Berserker does sound the best to me. All attack, no defense.
Had a play about. I don't think we'll see the use in the small and medium weapons other than on ISK buyers who pimp their ships without knowing how to fit. The ones "Thats expensive it must be good" that currently keep me stocked in faction and COSMOS loot when they are venturing into low-sec.
The large versions I don't think we'll see in general use. I fit a Navy Apoc as a glass-cannon (triple 1600 plates and triple trimark) and put it against a normal PvP one. The normal PvP one lost, but the glass cannon was in mid-structure. Close fight. Glass cannon Vindicator beat the PvP Navy Apoc but the Vindi was in less than half armour.
These weapons will be popular for SPKATTBC (ships previously known as tier 3 BC) and stealth bombers on 'safer' structure grinds.
My Talos does 1810 DPS with 25k EHP. My Manticore 610 DPS with under 2k DPS.
These weapons are the alternative for Eve Post-Phoebe with the reduced Dread/Super use on structure grinds. Price will be the issue (niche weapon) I think along with only four of these weapons will ever be used seriously - Torps (SBs) and the large AC/pulse/blasters for the (old Tier 3) BC's.
To make the small and medium sizes useful the DPS will have to be increase I think if the price is going to be the same as faction.
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:20:39 -
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Now that the name issue is finally resolvedGǪ can we do something about the stats? A 18%-¦ gain in overall DPS is not worth the tradeoff with losing all your resists. There was obviously an intended purpose or design for these, but outside of structure grinding I just can't see it. CCP - any insight here?
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JamesUtah
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.10.28 14:37:02 -
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Polarized
Not bad. thanks for listening to the feedback |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.28 15:29:48 -
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Now that you have the name worked out, can you work on making us want to use them? As it is, an 18% increase in DPS is not worth losing all of your resists (except maybe when there are no hostiles within 20 LY, which is NEVER)
"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves."
The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
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