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Thayden Reid Nordic
Vile Drifters Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:14:00 -
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If this has been asked before I apologize in advance.
What the HELL happened back in the day with Capitals in High Sec?
Anytime I ask a vet all I get is "Oh man **** hit the fan" and that's all. SO ok, what was the **** that hit the fan? Especially with the debate over caps in high sec raging away, I would LOVE to know some Eve history on the subject. Thanks guys. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:14:00 -
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Oh man, the sh*t hit the fan.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:15:00 -
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Dem fans got all clogged up with ****. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
2093
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:19:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Oh man, the sh*t hit the fan.
This about sums it up.
The fecal matter splashed the blades.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Thayden Reid Nordic
Vile Drifters Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:25:00 -
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God damn it... |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:28:00 -
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Thayden Reid Nordic wrote:God damn it... This may or may not have been a contributing factor. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
1219
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:32:00 -
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Something about really unbalanced wars. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:33:00 -
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Thayden Reid Nordic wrote:If this has been asked before I apologize in advance.
What the HELL happened back in the day with Capitals in High Sec?
Anytime I ask a vet all I get is "Oh man **** hit the fan" and that's all. SO ok, what was the **** that hit the fan? Especially with the debate over caps in high sec raging away, I would LOVE to know some Eve history on the subject. Thanks guys.
I believe this what occurred, when folks were able to use capitals they would run tons of lvl 5 missions or 4's leaping their grinds in ranks and isk way faster than the newbs in the newbie zone.
then the cap pilots got mad and decided to attack newbies..
leaving master chribba all alone to mine veldspar in his dreadnaught becoming a living statue of what could have been..
i'll admit it.. newbs in high sec make tasty treats for a doomsday weapon.. just saying
keep on flyin playa..
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Regnag Leppod
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:35:00 -
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Pretty simple really. People using capitals were making bazillion isk per second, while the poor nullsec alliances had to scrape by on billions of isk per day. So they demanded what they always demand of CCP: Nerf high-sec. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2551
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:59:00 -
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****+fan =IWIN button ?
Care/discuss
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Thayden Reid Nordic
Vile Drifters Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.10.18 22:03:00 -
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Instead of Nerfing High Sec, why not Buff Null? Idk how much money making has changed in the years since, but the idea of taking something away from one group becuz another is pissed about it, rather than making the two comparable, or more balanced I should say, seems a bit pre-school. |
Hicksimus
Plan-It Xpress Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
371
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Posted - 2014.10.18 22:04:00 -
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I literally teabagged CCP in mine. This lead to them raging.....big red button.....delete boot.ini.....no more caps in highsec.
Or at least that's how I remember it. I dunno about you guys but I can still use CAPS in highsec just fine. Do you have it? |
Thayden Reid Nordic
Vile Drifters Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.10.18 22:11:00 -
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I dunno about you guys but I can still use CAPS in highsec just fine.[/quote]
HA I get it
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2551
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Posted - 2014.10.18 22:15:00 -
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Thayden Reid Nordic wrote:I dunno about you guys but I can still use CAPS in highsec just fine.
HA I get it [/quote]
No one else can ttouch us , while we're in this place .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Polymer
The Graduates Forged of Fire
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Posted - 2014.10.18 22:54:00 -
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Thayden Reid Nordic wrote:If this has been asked before I apologize in advance.
What the HELL happened back in the day with Capitals in High Sec?
Anytime I ask a vet all I get is "Oh man **** hit the fan" and that's all. SO ok, what was the **** that hit the fan? Especially with the debate over caps in high sec raging away, I would LOVE to know some Eve history on the subject. Thanks guys.
Back in the day you could build capitals in highsec because of "coding issues." So many different types of capitals were built, the problem started when the capitals could tank concord, generally you could do it with logi's because the aggro didn't expand past the initial person. Which normally ended with the server crashing.
They ended up buffing concord and doing lock timing tweeks.
I don't exactly remember when they changed their minds about capitals in highsec, but I do remember people hiding the fact they had them. I believe there was some sort of hunt for who used them and where. CCP was "nice" enough to move the capitals free of charge to the nearest lowsec system.
Then they started getting pretty mad at the people selling them and made the sales banned on the forums. I really don't know where they as for rules today. But I know Chribba was given special permission to use his titan as a Veldatar in highsec.
The general rule that's been around for awhile is if you have one in highsec it cannot be used in any fashion that can affect anyone's gameplay in any way. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
891
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Posted - 2014.10.19 00:55:00 -
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Man, reading this topic is making me feel like I play EvE in some alternate universe. Where is EvE history when you need it?
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
2169
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Posted - 2014.10.19 01:01:00 -
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The fire nation attacked! BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. Phoebe: Remember remember the fourth of november. |
Mister Tuggles
Faceless Men
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Posted - 2014.10.19 01:11:00 -
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Thayden Reid Nordic wrote:Instead of Nerfing High Sec, why not Buff Null? Idk how much money making has changed in the years since, but the idea of taking something away from one group becuz another is pissed about it, rather than making the two comparable, or more balanced I should say, seems a bit pre-school.
Nullsec has been buffed over, and over, and over, and over. So much so that they basically **** isk at every corner with almost no risk of loss. This is how you have nullsec power blocks fielding 30-40 titans + thousands of capitals in single fights. They make more isk than Jesus makes wine. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
60
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Posted - 2014.10.19 01:37:00 -
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Mister Tuggles wrote:Thayden Reid Nordic wrote:Instead of Nerfing High Sec, why not Buff Null? Idk how much money making has changed in the years since, but the idea of taking something away from one group becuz another is pissed about it, rather than making the two comparable, or more balanced I should say, seems a bit pre-school. Nullsec has been buffed over, and over, and over, and over. So much so that they basically **** isk at every corner with almost no risk of loss. This is how you have nullsec power blocks fielding 30-40 titans + thousands of capitals in single fights. They make more isk than Jesus makes wine.
Goon Moon Goo Amex card..
never leave dock without it.. nuf said
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Thayden Reid Nordic
Vile Drifters Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.10.19 02:12:00 -
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Well then, from the sounds of things CCP should be able to learn from their past errors, and figure out something that works for caps in high sec. I'd say if anything it should only be Carriers, due to PvE applications, and Indy, not Dreads or supers... But **** idk.
Sounds like Null needs to be Nerfed...
Now let the ragers converge... |
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
926
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Posted - 2014.10.19 03:32:00 -
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I support caps coming back to hisec.
Because Chribba wept POCO/tower bashing takes waaaaaay too long.
They can't tank CONCORD anymore, and they are already locked out of almost all the l4 missions anyway.
The only thing where they might 'unbalance' the game is Incursions, but the AI already eats drones and Dreads can't hit subcaps for crap anyway.
Also, we need gankMoro's.
WE NEED THEM. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4270
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Posted - 2014.10.19 04:52:00 -
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Polymer wrote:Then they started getting pretty mad at the people selling them and made the sales banned on the forums. I really don't know where they as for rules today. But I know Chribba was given special permission to use his titan as a Veldatar in highsec.
The general rule that's been around for awhile is if you have one in highsec it cannot be used in any fashion that can affect anyone's gameplay in any way. CCP Spitfire - Capital ships in high security systems rules updated |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.10.19 05:41:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Man, reading this topic is making me feel like I play EvE in some alternate universe. Where is EvE history when you need it? You do. That's the problem with alternative universes. There's no "where".
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
13033
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Posted - 2014.10.19 05:53:00 -
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This will be a long post so, tl;dr - CCP never intended for caps in high-sec, missed to restrict production, fixed it over a few expansions, fake petitions and GM mistakes.
Actually CCP never intended for caps to be in high-sec, their use (eg think moving around) was limited to low-sec due to cynos not being allowed in high-sec. With this in mind CCP relases Cold War and assumed people would be building them in low-sec and forgot/didn't bother to put limitations of where you could build them - resulting in that you could use high-sec stations to build them.
So people did. Most jumped out to low-sec since they were useless in high-sec, and remember back then pilots were not that type of rich that they would build ship and not use it - 2 billion back in 2005 was a lot of ISK.
Forward ahead to RMR and CCP having realized that letting people build risk free in high-sec is not how they intended it to be done, so to avoid the new ship: carriers being built in high-sec stations they now nerf it so that you need a low-sec station - only to miss out that POS'es in high-sec could use LSAA's to build capitals, and as such the building restriction was only nerfed down to 0.7 (this is also the reason why there has never been possible to have a carrier in systems above 0.7 unless CCP/GMs put it there by move, or reimburse).
During this time, CONCORD as we know it today wasn't that powerful and dreads could easily tank them (http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/OTHER/Concord_Tanking_101.wmv), not intended either.
Fast forward again to Revelations II (summer of 2007) CCP finally decides that no more! Not due to the fact that caps could be built in high-sec and have never really been a problem - but with Revelations II they introduced the Rorqual - not something they wanted to be boosting in high-sec, or compressing ore safely for that matter. So as a result close to a week after the release of the expansion they abort all Rorquals being built in high-sec POS'es as well as unanchor all LSAA in high-sec (those that had Rorquals in production, like myself were offered to have it completed in a low-sec of their choice, and caps now also require XLSAA to be built).
This marks the end of caps being produced by pilots in high-sec.
But wait there's more.
There's a handful of caps remaining in high-sec at this time. Not really being an issue, an no more being produced by pilots. Yet there's two more events to come that would make changes to both CCP's views of caps as well as rules regarding them.
The first come to be known as the "Veldnaught scare". From the beginning of the Veldy and still today, I've only used it for mining, as well as undocking it for tourist pilots. I've have been petitioned multiple times before this for devhax/explot/and what not, after all caps are usually not allowed in high-sec. One pilot however didn't seem to enjoy either of it and decided to petition me again, this time with an accompanied faked killmail, where I supposedly had killed him and with the nature of caps, escaped CONCORD punishment.
Unfortunately the GM handling the case did not bother to (or did a weak) research if this actually happened, and decided to simply take actions against me. I logged on to a message saying they had moved my ship to low-sec. No explanation as to why. I responded asking why my ship had been moved and the GM told me that it was new CCP rules in place in the past 24 hours and that they had moved all caps from high-sec.
This was strange to me, the GM claiming new CCP rules (fair enough but info would be nice if so) and of course that ALL ships had been moved, since all my other caps were still in high-sec... so clearly it wasn't all ships. I kept asking and the only reply I got was that it was new rules and all ships etc. So I took it to the forums to give a heads up to people, that if this indeed was a new rule, they should make the best out of it before the ship gets moved. Thread posted -> that escalated quickly.
When it becomes clear that there are no new rules in place and that the petition against me was fake, my ship gets moved back and CCP takes the opportunity to introduce a new set of rules for future events of similar kind. So from now on a high-sec cap may no longer be used to gain unfair advantage (very hard to say exactly what is and what is not, but case by case basis) and you may not use it for aggression. All well for me anyway since I only mine.
So this is the end. Almost. No more caps being produced, no more caps shooting wildly around. Except caps do keep popping up... and they get sold for a lot of ISK. So much ISK that people start to complain. This wouldn't have been a problem really, since it's only old relics changing hands for more and more ISK - except it isn't. More ships shows up, in all kinds of odd places, these are ships that are reimbursed, or moved there on inactive accounts, essentially, fly a cap, unsub for 6 months your cap is now in high-sec if that's where your clone is, sell for major profit, or be lucky to get a ship reimbursed by a GM that didn't check the security status of the system.
So in order to combat this advantage pilot get by selling their dread for 10B ISK because of a GM mistake, they outright ban the trade and sale of caps in high-sec, which was the last change from CCP's side, this was in 2011, and those are the rules that remain today.
As far as the "**** hit the fan" type of statement, I would say that is in regards to the Veldnaught move in 2008, and the changes to sales in 2011.
/c
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Carmen Electra
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
10719
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Posted - 2014.10.19 06:02:00 -
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ty for good post Chribba Bacon makes us stronger |
Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
120
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Posted - 2014.10.19 06:18:00 -
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Chribba wrote:GǪ since all my other caps were still in high-sec... Ok, I'll bite: What else do you have sitting in the middle of Empire space? Your spirit is the true shield. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
950
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Posted - 2014.10.19 07:03:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:Chribba wrote:GǪ since all my other caps were still in high-sec... Ok, I'll bite: What else do you have sitting in the middle of Empire space?
The Minmatar Elder Fleet, they sought refuge with him after they got their asses kicked by the Amarr. Sansha fleets raiding deep space facilities! A summary of the ancient civilizations of New Eden |
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2014.10.19 11:00:00 -
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Polymer wrote:The general rule that's been around for awhile is if you have one in highsec it cannot be used in any fashion that can affect anyone's gameplay in any way.
They can't be used for combat or be used to give people combat bonuses or for logistics. The Veldnaught & that one guy with a chimera that gives out mining boosts are ok since they don't break any of those rules. RIP Richard A. Butt |
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2014.10.19 11:03:00 -
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I remember Phoenix's dueling in Perimeter the first time I ever played & making mad bank from looting the losers. RIP Richard A. Butt |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
13042
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Posted - 2014.10.19 16:46:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:Morihei Akachi wrote:Chribba wrote:GǪ since all my other caps were still in high-sec... Ok, I'll bite: What else do you have sitting in the middle of Empire space? The Minmatar Elder Fleet, they sought refuge with him after they got their asses kicked by the Amarr. Someone read the Burning Life...
on topic/Being a ship collector, when CCP announced the LSAA nerf I made one goal, to completes my collection. I nearly finished, only Caldari was left behind and reside in low-sec.
#funfact: There was actually a Sansha incursion event in the system I hold most of my caps, so there be screens of "omg superior Sansha capitals... + Chribba Veldhoggur"
/c
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