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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.10 13:09:00 -
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Most of the pirates are so full of 'it'.
- Pirates are good for the ecenomy - Pirates are only real players since this is PVP game - Pirates help discover exploits (I like that one really) - Pirates this - Pirates that...
You want to know the truth? Real truth?
PIRATES ARE KILLING EVE.
Here is why:
Earning isk in game is everything. You want a ship, laser, implant? You need isk. People are working hard for their new cruiser or bs, some miners 2, some new mods... And pirates just take it away in a second before you even load your screen. Insurance? Does it cover miners 2? How many frustrated players simply left EVE becouse they worked their arse to get something that was destroyed in few seconds by some lame exploiting campers? TOO MANY!!! And then what? Back to few weeks mining in 1.0 so that you can get blown up again by those same people?!? No wonder they are quitting. Becouse of that lame strategy the best pvp fun you can have is to sit in a frigate and join some pirate-hunting group. If you loose the ship - who cares!!! It's cheap. Bu that makes more expensive ships suck!!! Why buy one when you are not going to fly it?!?
CCP knows that and that is why they are doing all the pirate-unfriendly patches. Guns at all gates, jumps from gate to gate (comming), CONCORD that kicks arse, even GMs checking on expliters on site. Becouse they know that if you guys have it your way people will stop playing EVE and they will loose their jobs.
Compare that to your exploiting, blocking, camping...!!!
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Gilbert
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Posted - 2003.10.10 13:18:00 -
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Pirates are good for the game. I know, it's bad for the people getting podded and robbed, but it's good for the game in total.. :-)
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.10.10 13:18:00 -
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worst post ever... -------------------------------------------- Dead
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.10 13:18:00 -
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End Yourself (TM)
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jello
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Posted - 2003.10.10 13:27:00 -
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Obviously not read my post!!
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.10 13:29:00 -
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sod off mate, stop flaming, and get out of Duripant for a change. --
2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Ange Noire
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Posted - 2003.10.10 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ange Noire on 10/10/2003 13:32:42 Pirates are one of the hundred ways to playing eve, and will not kill the game, unless they become so many that every other way couldn't be develloped.
Is eve on that way ? i don't think so, not yet at least.
and to be honnest, sytems owned by corpo and all that stuff will devellop wars, and war aint good for pirates. Tracking stuff, cloacking and some other news skills will be avaible soon or late. Actually being a pirates is quite easy, u can run to a moon and log of at the 1st sign of trouble. But that will not last.
I want that game to have pirates, i don't want Eve to be a "flight simulator" in space. until that's just a part of the game, and not all the game.
Now said that pirates are only true player ect ... i guess u r intelligente enough to understand that just some guys who say that to **** u off ... (some really thinks that, but they're morons everywhere afterall)
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Rothco
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Posted - 2003.10.10 13:34:00 -
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Absolute drivel
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.10 13:37:00 -
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Ahhhh, always same faces (90%) responding my posts in same (arrogant, 'no brain', I'm the toughest MF, I kick arse) maner which proves my point. You will remember my words in few months time.
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2003.10.10 13:54:00 -
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I'm not a pirate myself, but I doubt very much if I would still be playing eve if there weren't any pirates to liven the game up a bit.
Yeah, it don't feel too good when you lose a ship, but you get a real kick when you survive an encounter.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.10.10 13:58:00 -
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Not a pirate here either, and still think posts like the original are more likely to kill eve than pirates are.
------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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Medieval
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Posted - 2003.10.10 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Medieval on 10/10/2003 14:03:21 We all want the exploits to stop but ban pirates....... I bet all you do is mine, if we took away pirates what next????the game can get very boring mining all day to save up to buy a b/s to use for what? if there are no pirates. Please tell me!!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------- One door away from Hell |
Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2003.10.10 14:03:00 -
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Quote: Not a pirate here either, and still think posts like the original are more likely to kill eve than pirates are.
I very much agree. I don't know why the whiners don't get themselves a copy of "Barbie in Fluffyland" or maybe that's too much for them too.
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Harpoon
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Posted - 2003.10.10 14:12:00 -
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Dont reduce the amount of pirates. I dont want to loose my job...
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.10 14:33:00 -
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Quote: Ahhhh, always same faces (90%) responding my posts in same (arrogant, 'no brain', I'm the toughest MF, I kick arse) maner which proves my point. You will remember my words in few months time.
Whos the arrogant dumbass here, I wonder? You posted similar crap last week, and got flamed to death by both pirates and non-pirates alike.
Obviously, you learn as fast as a brick wall.
Go away, little person. --
2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.10 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 10/10/2003 14:36:25 lol look at the guy's corp description:
----------- All alone. On my own. In zero space.
All alone. Until all are gone. I'll win the race. ALONE -------------
member count: 1
So how are you going to win the race? By flaming on forums until everybody is banned except you? lolol?
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2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2003.10.10 14:38:00 -
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pay the tax and pass "Teh lord of Nonni"
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2003.10.10 14:52:00 -
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WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH
Is all Im currently hearing from this prats mouth,
Fausto not all Pirates are exploiters, what because they are better equipped to kill than you are, means they are exploiting? because he has more skills at PvP than you have means he / she is exploiting.
Pirates are a Legite means of making your way through Eve, if you dont like the PvP aspect of the game, well you know where the Uninstall icon is.
Grow up or F*ck off and go back to Sims online. I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.10.10 15:00:00 -
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God, i want back the two minutes of my life it took to read your post fausto. Utter Drival man Mercenary | The Azath |
Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.10 15:23:00 -
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Some never learn...
Please go on, that can't be everything you have to say. ______
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Nitalya
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Posted - 2003.10.10 15:58:00 -
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not all pirates or ruinning eve just a few corps of lamers and retards that get off on killing people before they load but i would say pirates are good for the game the ones that actualy put some effort into it like pld and ive even seen SI do some real pirateing but corps like Biomass that can only camp jump in point are a sad excuse for pirates and dont deserve to be called pirates. if i lose something at a gat because i tryed to make the jump or they just warp scrambled me at the gate good for them my loss.. but as for these jump in point lamers i would have to say they are the ones ruining the game for many. but dont blame the pirates blame the lazy lamer that doesnt know any better way to make a living than camp a jump in point. or have the balls to raid alliance space
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Hackett
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Posted - 2003.10.10 15:59:00 -
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Nope - I think everoyone just about covered it.
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Khaider Sebheri
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Posted - 2003.10.10 16:03:00 -
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Quote:
Some never learn...
Please go on, that can't be everything you have to say.
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Ange Noire
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Posted - 2003.10.10 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ange Noire on 10/10/2003 16:13:16 Anyway it's just another "pirates are evil" post.
Many ppl came that way, many ppl get flamed by both pirates and non-pirates, many ppl came back with same kind of stories ... boring.
U move in low secure space ? u accept that it's risky, end of the story. u can have everything u need in 0.5+ systeme, but that take more time.
Safe way, quick way, ponder it and choose, but u can't come here and ask for banning a whole part of the game, that's just stupid, unfair and selfish.
Btw i never been and never will be a pirate. In fact the only "pirates" that should be banned is that ones who comes on a system, trash talking on local and call ppl carebears and run away at the first sign of trouble ... :D (i got names :p)
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Captin Zed
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Posted - 2003.10.10 16:27:00 -
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Fausto, I agree with you there on most points, although I am not sure if the work 'pirate' is the one you are looking for.
I think mabey 'Terrorists' or 'Exploiting Wakners' might come a little closer.
I am more inclined to think a pirate would try to make the maximum isk possible from there actions. Just ganging up and blasting everything that jumps into the system with anything left over being a little bonus is not being a 'pirate' at all but is more like terrorisim.
Also (while I am ranting) why do terrorists insist on calling there activities 'PvP'? You never fight PvP! Its more like PPPPPvP or run away! (Imagine couterstrike with 1 person on team A and 6 people on team B, odds a little stacked, yes)
I am hoping the corp war system gets a little bit more involved for PvP, I imagine that was why it was put in there in the first place.
Sigh . . . Jumps in fireproof suit
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Xen0
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:14:00 -
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Quote: Most of the pirates are so full of 'it'.
- Pirates are good for the ecenomy - Pirates are only real players since this is PVP game - Pirates help discover exploits (I like that one really) - Pirates this - Pirates that...
You want to know the truth? Real truth?
PIRATES ARE KILLING EVE.
Here is why:
Earning isk in game is everything. You want a ship, laser, implant? You need isk. People are working hard for their new cruiser or bs, some miners 2, some new mods... And pirates just take it away in a second before you even load your screen. Insurance? Does it cover miners 2? How many frustrated players simply left EVE becouse they worked their arse to get something that was destroyed in few seconds by some lame exploiting campers? TOO MANY!!! And then what? Back to few weeks mining in 1.0 so that you can get blown up again by those same people?!? No wonder they are quitting. Becouse of that lame strategy the best pvp fun you can have is to sit in a frigate and join some pirate-hunting group. If you loose the ship - who cares!!! It's cheap. Bu that makes more expensive ships suck!!! Why buy one when you are not going to fly it?!?
CCP knows that and that is why they are doing all the pirate-unfriendly patches. Guns at all gates, jumps from gate to gate (comming), CONCORD that kicks arse, even GMs checking on expliters on site. Becouse they know that if you guys have it your way people will stop playing EVE and they will loose their jobs.
Compare that to your exploiting, blocking, camping...!!!
Did you just get podded? Or are you an idiot, do you want a carebear game so you can mine 24/7? If so say it, when the game becomes carebear, you'll post how there's no action in the game and all you do is mine and agent missions. PvP is the whole point about a MMoRPG game. So stfu.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Sun Ra on 10/10/2003 17:41:00 Well.... if a player goes into -0.4 and dies multiple times and doesnt learn or accepts its a risk then well i think eve isnt the game for them maybe they should try something simpler. I lost a brand new ship to a warping camper even tho i think warp in points should be totally random for now they arent so i took my beating like a man and didnt bother say a word to him, i had insurance, i was full aware of the risk of going into 0.0, fair play to whoever it was.
I do think CCP should have more NPC combat areas for newer players, most other mmorpg you get to the point where you have to team up with other players to take on NPC's out but you are still are in a non PVP area, i've never been out gang hunting npc's, never felt the need in 0.5+ areas, closest i've got to hunt NPC's in a group was covering miners.
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RazorDreamz
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Posted - 2003.10.10 17:42:00 -
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No Pirates = No excitement. Simple math, even for little carebears like you. --------------------------------------- CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic m |
Bexxly
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:43:00 -
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have a pic instead of an answer:
oooh you pesky troll!
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.10.10 18:43:00 -
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LMAO, nice post Faust.. I don't agree at all but it sure made my day reading what you wrote.
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LordXL
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Posted - 2003.10.10 19:50:00 -
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O_o oh god!
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Bigby
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Posted - 2003.10.10 20:33:00 -
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Quote: Earning isk in game is everything
Horse S*** mate. having fun in game is everything. And you can quote me on that
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.10 22:14:00 -
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I agree. Fun. But where is the fun when you get blown up by some lame camping exploiter before your screen loads? What kind of man you have to be to kill someone who can't even see what happened to him? I guess a man having fun with ruining fun for everyone else. ______
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Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2003.10.10 22:21:00 -
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*Burp* Green dots on maps mumble.. local chat mumble mumble.. stay in yulai if you dont want to something something..not a race towards battleyada yada ya whats the fun of having isk in your wallet..
I've ran out of carebear fighting steam for today.
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.10.10 22:25:00 -
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You anti-pirate hippies are getting cloaking soon. Shhhh...
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BigJaw Pete
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Posted - 2003.10.10 22:29:00 -
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Fausto, repeat after me:
Millenium hand and shrimp. . spiders.. spiders Aaargh! mumble mumble mum mum mum.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2003.10.10 22:32:00 -
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Did you try filing a peti......
I think this is quite possibly the best post i've seen all week. I mean the biomass cartel one was kinda funny, but this tops the charts.
overall rating 9.8 Use of capital letters - 2 Signs of Being a n00b - 11 *use more caps in your complaints i think people might understand you better* (yes i know 2+11/2 doesn't = 9.8)...
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Bigby
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Posted - 2003.10.10 23:52:00 -
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Quote: What kind of man you have to be to kill someone who can't even see what happened to him?
A petulant spoiled child. Seriously, this is clearly a design flaw which the dev's have said they will fix in a number of CSM chats (no linkage, do your own work).
The simple solution proposed is that the player warping/jumping to a place will not appear in any other players client until the warper/jumpers client has loaded the scene.
This should(tm) eliminate the lag exploit, which isn't really an exploit at all but a symptom of a choice with the game design (short loading screens at warp/jump rather than long loading but consistent client states.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2003.10.11 04:29:00 -
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Quote: Most of the pirates are so full of 'it'.
- Pirates are good for the ecenomy - Pirates are only real players since this is PVP game - Pirates help discover exploits (I like that one really) - Pirates this - Pirates that...
You want to know the truth? Real truth?
PIRATES ARE KILLING EVE.
Here is why:
Earning isk in game is everything. You want a ship, laser, implant? You need isk. People are working hard for their new cruiser or bs, some miners 2, some new mods... And pirates just take it away in a second before you even load your screen. Insurance? Does it cover miners 2? How many frustrated players simply left EVE becouse they worked their arse to get something that was destroyed in few seconds by some lame exploiting campers? TOO MANY!!! And then what? Back to few weeks mining in 1.0 so that you can get blown up again by those same people?!? No wonder they are quitting. Becouse of that lame strategy the best pvp fun you can have is to sit in a frigate and join some pirate-hunting group. If you loose the ship - who cares!!! It's cheap. Bu that makes more expensive ships suck!!! Why buy one when you are not going to fly it?!?
CCP knows that and that is why they are doing all the pirate-unfriendly patches. Guns at all gates, jumps from gate to gate (comming), CONCORD that kicks arse, even GMs checking on expliters on site. Becouse they know that if you guys have it your way people will stop playing EVE and they will loose their jobs.
Compare that to your exploiting, blocking, camping...!!!
Fausto I play a Chaotic good character in EVE. And as much as I dislike pirates too They are Very good for the game. Now notice I said Pirates and NOT Exploiters who bend game designs and Rules. Example a bounty is supposed to be paid when a Real bounty player defeats the pirate and we ALL know this was how the game is supposed to be played But you have Exploiters having their buddies kill them then split the bounty. Even though they Know thats not how the game is supposed to be played :( But the Real pirates like merc frigates and most of the recent corps play by the rules and this makes them a REAL Worthwhile opponent :) Just my 2@
New stories coming .. Sorry folks been tied up with a data center move :(
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Skelator
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Posted - 2003.10.11 04:30:00 -
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Quote: Most of the pirates are so full of 'it'.
- Pirates are good for the ecenomy - Pirates are only real players since this is PVP game - Pirates help discover exploits (I like that one really) - Pirates this - Pirates that...
You want to know the truth? Real truth?
PIRATES ARE KILLING EVE.
Here is why:
Earning isk in game is everything. You want a ship, laser, implant? You need isk. People are working hard for their new cruiser or bs, some miners 2, some new mods... And pirates just take it away in a second before you even load your screen. Insurance? Does it cover miners 2? How many frustrated players simply left EVE becouse they worked their arse to get something that was destroyed in few seconds by some lame exploiting campers? TOO MANY!!! And then what? Back to few weeks mining in 1.0 so that you can get blown up again by those same people?!? No wonder they are quitting. Becouse of that lame strategy the best pvp fun you can have is to sit in a frigate and join some pirate-hunting group. If you loose the ship - who cares!!! It's cheap. Bu that makes more expensive ships suck!!! Why buy one when you are not going to fly it?!?
CCP knows that and that is why they are doing all the pirate-unfriendly patches. Guns at all gates, jumps from gate to gate (comming), CONCORD that kicks arse, even GMs checking on expliters on site. Becouse they know that if you guys have it your way people will stop playing EVE and they will loose their jobs.
Compare that to your exploiting, blocking, camping...!!!
Fausto I play a Chaotic good character in EVE. And as much as I dislike pirates too They are Very good for the game. Now notice I said Pirates and NOT Exploiters who bend game designs and Rules. Example a bounty is supposed to be paid when a Real bounty player defeats the pirate and we ALL know this was how the game is supposed to be played But you have Exploiters having their buddies kill them then split the bounty. Even though they Know thats not how the game is supposed to be played :( But the Real pirates like merc frigates and most of the recent corps play by the rules and this makes them a REAL Worthwhile opponent :) Just my 2@
New stories coming .. Sorry folks been tied up with a data center move :(
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
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Skelator
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Posted - 2003.10.11 04:30:00 -
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Quote: Most of the pirates are so full of 'it'.
- Pirates are good for the ecenomy - Pirates are only real players since this is PVP game - Pirates help discover exploits (I like that one really) - Pirates this - Pirates that...
You want to know the truth? Real truth?
PIRATES ARE KILLING EVE.
Here is why:
Earning isk in game is everything. You want a ship, laser, implant? You need isk. People are working hard for their new cruiser or bs, some miners 2, some new mods... And pirates just take it away in a second before you even load your screen. Insurance? Does it cover miners 2? How many frustrated players simply left EVE becouse they worked their arse to get something that was destroyed in few seconds by some lame exploiting campers? TOO MANY!!! And then what? Back to few weeks mining in 1.0 so that you can get blown up again by those same people?!? No wonder they are quitting. Becouse of that lame strategy the best pvp fun you can have is to sit in a frigate and join some pirate-hunting group. If you loose the ship - who cares!!! It's cheap. Bu that makes more expensive ships suck!!! Why buy one when you are not going to fly it?!?
CCP knows that and that is why they are doing all the pirate-unfriendly patches. Guns at all gates, jumps from gate to gate (comming), CONCORD that kicks arse, even GMs checking on expliters on site. Becouse they know that if you guys have it your way people will stop playing EVE and they will loose their jobs.
Compare that to your exploiting, blocking, camping...!!!
Fausto I play a Chaotic good character in EVE. And as much as I dislike pirates too They are Very good for the game. Now notice I said Pirates and NOT Exploiters who bend game designs and Rules. Example a bounty is supposed to be paid when a Real bounty player defeats the pirate and we ALL know this was how the game is supposed to be played But you have Exploiters having their buddies kill them then split the bounty. Even though they Know thats not how the game is supposed to be played :( But the Real pirates like merc frigates and most of the recent corps play by the rules and this makes them a REAL Worthwhile opponent :) Just my 2@
New stories coming .. Sorry folks been tied up with a data center move :(
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
SOHAIL
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Posted - 2003.10.11 11:02:00 -
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It is because of Pirates , EVE has Become so intresting game. -amy-
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.10.11 12:06:00 -
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Quote: It is because of Pirates , EVE has Become so intresting game. -amy-
Pirates yes, but not exploiting scum like Biomass
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away... Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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EdRush
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Posted - 2003.10.11 12:26:00 -
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once upon a time pirate corp in particuler m0o had a big powerful punch in this but more recently the power has definatly shifted to regional alliances . This has pushed the majorioty of pirates into an annoyance level rather than serious galatic threat .
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2003.10.11 14:26:00 -
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There is a problem with saying "Post like the origanal will kill the game" Why? Cause alot of the "carebears" dont come to these forums. Not alot will care to just to see the "Pirate" defending themselves from useing an Exploit.
I did not come to the forums to "CRY" cause Billy Bob got me while my wife was nagging me about her job at Wal-mart.
And Billy Bob did not come to the forum to boast how he killed such a lamearse player. Kudos to you Billy.
Play the game right. Dont use the Exploits, Dont use the cheats, and CCP will find their 10,000 players they want so bad. People will play more, leave less. And most importantly have more fun. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.11 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 11/10/2003 18:54:31 As EdRush stated, I cincerely doubt that pirate corps present any serious threat, because of number of reasons:
- We don't have resources like regional alliances.
- We generally don't have chances to hunt high-end NPCs (make cash, get cool loot) because of alliances. Exceptions to that are few of us who dodge their military from time to time
- Most of the people are a lot smarter about dodging blockades and PvP in general, so days of 56 ships destroyed last 24 hours are mostly gone. These days it tops out at 20/30
- A lot of newer pirate corps have members with cumulated skills around 1-1.5 millions. Compared to the most of the people in Alliances, that's maybe third or a quarter of what they have.
- Security measures in means of CONCORD and sentry guns are higher now, making piracy harder.
- Old-school pirates and their allies are long gone, with the departure of m0o and recently RUS, and with Sinister turning straight, there is not much power left to present a challenge to Alliances.
- Demographically, maybe 98% of Eve subscribers are not pirates, so you have odds against you.
All of the above makes it even more fun.
Cheers. --
2004.12.29 23:33:40combatMining Pollution Cloud hits you, doing 140.0 damage. |
RALPH RODRIGUEZ
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Posted - 2003.10.12 11:24:00 -
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WELL IF PIRATES LEAVE IM OFF !!!!! IM NOT A PIRATE !!! AND I HAVENT REALLY TRIED THE PVP SIDE YET TO ITS FULL, BUT I DO LIKE THE FEELING OF HAVING TO CHART MY WAY THROUGH SYSTEMS USING THE MAP AND ITS OPTIONS (PODS KILLED,SHIPS KILLED) THATS WHAT ITS THERE FOR SO USE IT YOU DUMB ASSES I HAVE BEEN PLAYING3 MONTHS AND ONLY LOST 2 SHIPS TO NPC WHEN I HAVE LAGGED OUT, NOT TOO PLAYERS!! AND I GO THROUGH 0.0 SPACE A LOT, SO USE THE MAP PROPERLY THATS WHAT ITS THERE FOR !!!
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zincol
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Posted - 2003.10.12 11:41:00 -
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Let's all have a good cry about pirates. Aww bless all cos u cant afk jump round eve,cant mine ure megacyte without being bothered or npc chainkill without a pirate comin up and jamming. what a shame.
This game is NOT all about mining,trading,and NPC.
It's all about PVP - Pirates keep the ship eco up or the ships would not sell.
Why do you keep crying on forum about being killed and podded by pirates, Dont like it stay in 0.5 or above thats what it's for... You got ure lame ass sentrys at gates to 0.1 so stop moaning.
w00t!
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Orcus
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Posted - 2003.10.12 15:43:00 -
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Quote: It's all about PVP
- Wrong
Quote: Dont like it stay in 0.5 or above thats what it's for...
- If everyone did this you start crying on forums about how being a "pirate" is so unfair, there is nobody to exploit anymore.. waaah waaah
If people would not use exploits of game mechanics then there would not be all this fuss. I guess thats too much to ask of these "pirates" or whatever you want to call yourselves.
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Ponder Stibbons
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Posted - 2003.10.12 17:03:00 -
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So in other words Orcus, any form of pirating is an exploit.
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Cookie
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Posted - 2003.10.12 21:19:00 -
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oh man, i was about to write something about how all those whiners made CCP to beef up CONCORD and Sentry Guns and how that following whining (WAAA WAAA He takes all the stuff i jettisoned) introduced secure cargo cans.
But obviously its not worth it.
They will keep on crying till they receive a daily increase of their wallet without risk, without using brain, preferrably without moving.
Oh, btw, can we walk around in stations, and can we have slot machines there ?
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.12 21:21:00 -
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Quote: So in other words Orcus, any form of pirating is an exploit.
WTF?!? Why don't you try reading his post instead? Or are you too busy hitting people from another grid, camping jump points and copying megacyte? ______
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slothe
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Posted - 2003.10.12 21:45:00 -
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Im not a pirate
But i dont agree with what you say.
If you dont want to take the risk stay in empire space.
If you take the risk accepth the consequences.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2003.10.13 00:13:00 -
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Regional alliances are worst than classic blockade pirates like moo. Moo just barricades one gate, one system. Alliances secure whole regions to themselves. In terms of financial power and military might, the regional alliances are much more powerful. It's like comparing Blackbeard the pirate to the Russian Mafia.
But then of course, they're supposed to be adding spice to the game too.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2003.10.13 00:39:00 -
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First off, if pirates were taken away...what would be the point in having it multiplayer, what would be the point in doin anything in eve. Pirates are good for the economy..... Noobs mine Players build BS Pirates make BS go Boom Player will have to build another 1...so.... Noobs mine Players build BS Pirates make BS go Boom Player will have to build another 1...so.... Noobs mine Players build BS Pirates make BS go Boom Player will probably turn into a moaning twitt like you!!!! I feel that i am keeping noobs in business, because without us pirates there would be no need to mine and no need to equip fancy stuff to stop us...bah your a *****!! God damm care bear
Nobody will probably read this...but i felt it had to be said =b
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.13 05:08:00 -
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Quote: First off, if pirates were taken away...what would be the point in having it multiplayer, what would be the point in doin anything in eve. Pirates are good for the economy..... Noobs mine Players build BS Pirates make BS go Boom Player will have to build another 1...so.... Noobs mine Players build BS Pirates make BS go Boom Player will have to build another 1...so.... Noobs mine Players build BS Pirates make BS go Boom Player will probably turn into a moaning twitt like you!!!! I feel that i am keeping noobs in business, because without us pirates there would be no need to mine and no need to equip fancy stuff to stop us...bah your a *****!! God damm care bear
Nobody will probably read this...but i felt it had to be said =b
It has been said 100 times before, as a sorry excuse for some to kill people for fun. That excuse is as good as the one that we need a 'healthy' war now and then to kill the waek and boost the economy - used by psychos to jutify their need of destruction.
I don't mind (some) alliances, with them you can trade and make arrangements. But what do I do with trigger-happy-exploiter sitting with all his drones out in hope of catching a shuttle that lagged??? ______
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Posted - 2003.10.13 05:47:00 -
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Edited by: Hodokie Seek on 13/10/2003 05:50:41 Please oh please go play EnB, I think you would be much happier there. I have been griefed, put in a pod when I was shot at a gate while in a shuttle, and have had a number of other miserable things happen to me, but I still love the game and I still run the gates in my Indy in most all the regions where ever thiers work. I think CCP is doing the best that they can against those who exploit the game. As far as the griefers, thier day is coming and I hope I am the "Care Bear" that pods them. In the mean time, I will make my runs and write my stories and enjoy the game for what it is. See yawl in game. ___ Oh, and as it says in my signiture, "Freedom has a synonym: responsibility" We are free to do as we choose in Eve and be held responsible for our actions.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.13 06:56:00 -
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"Oh, and as it says in my signiture, "Freedom has a synonym: responsibility" We are free to do as we choose in Eve and be held responsible for our actions."
Not if you play with your alt And most do.
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Ruffnek
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Posted - 2003.10.13 07:51:00 -
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Yes pirates are constant worry in Eve but why ban them? I lost my first cruiser to a pirate and yes it F****D me off but It also gave me a goal. I will become good enough to take them out. You play EVE to be whatever character you want to be as long as there's no exploits involved where's the problem??? If there were no pirates in EVE where's the challange gonna come from - There's only so much fun in npc hunting and can get tiring after a while. So if you get distroyed by a pirate stop *****ing about it and Do something about it. Quote: Better to remain silent and though of a fool than to speak and Remove all Doubt
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2003.10.13 08:28:00 -
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Pirates kill ppl, not the game. Most of us don't use exploits, we just adapt. We mastered to adapt to every changes from all the patches yet. Now it's your turn to adapt. First thing would be not to buy anything that you can't afford to lose. Second is to stay out of our systems (map tells you which that are). Third and probably the most interesting point for both sides is join/support an anti-pirate coalition. Secure your trade routes / mining operations / hunting places that way, that's where all the great fun begins. And don't forget... pirates lose ships, too. Probably we lose even more ships than an usual non pirate player, because we are by far more frequently involved in pvp.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.13 08:39:00 -
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Who said anything about banning pirates? I'm just saying that most of EVE pirate are ruining the game for 90% of the players. Does adapting to changes mean finding new exploits for you? And now pirates whine about great alliances being worse then they are? Is it becouse the allinaces stopped using your services and now you are on your own?
Want to hear another pirate exploit? A BB scans people in secure space until it finds someone with cool cargo. And then it passive webs him until his mates with alts jump in and shoot him (lets say a shutle carrying implants or BPs) and let themselfs be blown up by concord since the don't give a truck about their alts. And BB just collects the loot and flys unharmed. I have seen happen. I have even been scrambled by one in 1.0 near a station.
I would not mind pirates that are in it for the loot, but people collecting biomass make me sick, and they are EVE's majority. ______
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Posted - 2003.10.13 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: TIvian on 13/10/2003 09:29:26 Fausto,
Did you not learn anything from my all my other posts on this subject? why do insist on punishing your self on this subject. The argument is the same as before. Nothing has changed. When you express yourself like you have done the thread turns into a flaming Turd! You have to let it go. And remember that the game is still new and that even in its current state, it doesnÆt resemble the game that came out in May. Things will progress. Things will changeà..again I say LET IT GO FOR NOW.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.13 10:47:00 -
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Tivian, there are too many people letting go by not playing any more. The number of players on the server is deacrising weekly and in my opinion one of the reasons is our beloved 'tough boys' collecting biomass and destroying others just for fun. If I didn't like EVE I would not be flaming here. Most of them don't. They will simply move to another game and exploit even more. They get their fun in humiliating others, not in fair-play fights. I bet they would kick a drunk sleeping on the sidewalk just becouse the can if it wasn't illegal. ______
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Mydol
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Posted - 2003.10.13 10:59:00 -
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Quote: Tivian, there are too many people letting go by not playing any more. The number of players on the server is deacrising weekly and in my opinion one of the reasons is our beloved 'tough boys' collecting biomass and destroying others just for fun. If I didn't like EVE I would not be flaming here. Most of them don't. They will simply move to another game and exploit even more. They get their fun in humiliating others, not in fair-play fights. I bet they would kick a drunk sleeping on the sidewalk just becouse the can if it wasn't illegal.
Depends on the situation. First if the bum was in the United States I could just complain to the cops that he was exploiting a bug by participating in public intoxication (which is illegal). If it was in another country where you can legally be passed out and drunk on the sidewalk, I would kick him in his head, steal whatever money he may actually have, and then camp his spot demanding tribute if he ever returned.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.13 14:47:00 -
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I knew you would ______
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2003.10.13 14:59:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Tivian, there are too many people letting go by not playing any more. The number of players on the server is deacrising weekly and in my opinion one of the reasons is our beloved 'tough boys' collecting biomass and destroying others just for fun. If I didn't like EVE I would not be flaming here. Most of them don't. They will simply move to another game and exploit even more. They get their fun in humiliating others, not in fair-play fights. I bet they would kick a drunk sleeping on the sidewalk just becouse the can if it wasn't illegal.
Depends on the situation. First if the bum was in the United States I could just complain to the cops that he was exploiting a bug by participating in public intoxication (which is illegal). If it was in another country where you can legally be passed out and drunk on the sidewalk, I would kick him in his head, steal whatever money he may actually have, and then camp his spot demanding tribute if he ever returned.
If it was the UK, the bum would probably be me, and I would accept, due to drunken stupor, whatever kickings I received (although the police would have already stolen my money)...
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Django Wolfe
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Posted - 2003.10.13 15:54:00 -
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*sigh*
If you're getting fed up of having ships destroyed and ISK losses due to player pirates, the following steps might help.
1. Stay away from known pirate areas.
2. Check the map for podkills and pilots in space in your general area and route. Check Local pilots to see their sec rating.
3. If transporting expensive goods, hire an escort or make friends with other people and do it in a group. Roleplay & Interact with others!
4. Don't go to 0.0 unprepared. Go in cruisers with a set up to escape threats i.e MWD, Warp Core Stabilisers. The shield penalty and cap penalty is worth it fo a quick escape. Choose your ship and set up carefully!
There are plenty of things you can do to avoid pirates.
You can always mine something else and buy your bistot/megacyte with the proceeds. Negociate deals with corps?
I agree that camping jump in points is out of order though...Thats an exploit if you ask me. I had no problem with gate camping...At least you could make a break for it!
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Posted - 2003.10.13 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 13/10/2003 17:08:13 End yourself.
It's very funny for the newbies if you're successful with your whining. Then they can't do anything than mine veldspar since you and your cronies killed the only thing really fun in the game when they grow up and have 5 battleships.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Redon
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Posted - 2003.10.13 18:14:00 -
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Fausto go cry to ur mommy, seriously dude lol. i was a miner in the first to weeks of playing to make isk, god is mining BORING. later i joined a pirate corp when my friend invited me to come when i was rdy. pirating is the only way to have fun in this game. unless u call looking at roids for 5hrs straight fun. whats the point of having all the best stuff if u not going to use it. thats what a carebear is my friend.
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omri
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:20:00 -
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i am the ceo of mercenray frigates , we dont camp jump in points. as many have pointed out what kind of fight is that. and i agree. the only time you will find us at a jump in point is when we are gathering upon entering a system. and yes if someone pops in we will most likey attack them, but it would be pure chance that would happen.
and as for people quitting the game because of pirates... i have a bit of news for you. my corp was 10 people b4 we posted are recruitment ad in the crime/punishment area. now we are over 50 and 30 of those where going to quit the game cuz they was chopping rocks 24/7 until they read that post, so.... alot of people were going to quit the game due to repetitive boredom also
many of the above posts [ please discount the flameing posts] are acurate . ccp needs to make the changes that we all need or one day we will all quit.
once ccp corrects the jumpin point flaw , conquers the defenders advantage due to lag ,and makes fleet action combat viable the game will be improved.
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:22:00 -
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Pirates ARE good for the economy. The motor in the Eve economy are weapons and BATTLEships... so what else could fuel the economy but the destruction of your ship? In real life when there is a war you shift production from useful stuff such as toasters and toothpaste to Tanks and plastic explosives. In Eve all you can make is war equipment. Is that not a good hint enough for you that this game is all about PvP??
Go play Sims Online
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2003.10.14 01:41:00 -
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Fausto i thought your mother told you to stop running into brick walls...
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 04:57:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrrel on 14/10/2003 04:58:31
Quote: Most of the pirates are so full of 'it'. blah blah blah
I don't know about you, but I bought the game for the very reason that the universe would be dangerous and exciting. Pirates killing and stripping items is the least of the problems that the game has, and it's the other problems that are likely to be driving people away from the game.
Seems to me though, that you've walked into a bakery and are screaming and complaining that they sell bread.
Bottom line: Drive away the pirates: Kill the game completely for pirates and non-pirates alike. ---------------------------------------- Scavenger, Outright Ore Thief, Whatever. |
Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.14 05:07:00 -
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Quote: Bottom line: Drive away the pirates: Kill the game completely for pirates and non-pirates alike.
And yet another post about pirates being the only good thing in EVE. So 90% of the players are stupid for not being pirates? What is next? Organized sacrifice runs into pirate systems so that we can keep you happy since you are the best thing in EVE?!? ______
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 07:33:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Bottom line: Drive away the pirates: Kill the game completely for pirates and non-pirates alike.
And yet another post about pirates being the only good thing in EVE. So 90% of the players are stupid for not being pirates? What is next? Organized sacrifice runs into pirate systems so that we can keep you happy since you are the best thing in EVE?!?
Your posts just seem like jumbled rants that run all over the place.
1) I am not a pirate. My signature might tip you off on this. 2) Of course 90% of the player base aren't stupid for not being pirates. I enjoy football, yet I don't have to be a footballer myself to do so. 3) The game was always made out to be pretty much what it is, a dangerous universe that you can be whatever you want to be... and that of course includes blasting other players to pieces.
I'm not definding pirates as such, more the principle of the game that we all had a good enough idea what it was about, tried to find our niche, and then some found they weren't too good at the game/dealing with things and started to moan.
It's like the little corporations that moan about the big guys having the advantages. Them's the breaks.
The bigger your fleet of fighter/miners/explorers the more chance you have, but that too a lot of people don't seem to realise and want their corp of 8 people to do as well as one of 60.
Read what people are actually replying with to your posts so we can at least have a half decent conversation about it, else it's just you reading what you want and using it to suit your argument. ---------------------------------------- Scavenger, Outright Ore Thief, Whatever. |
Myrddraal
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Posted - 2003.10.14 08:11:00 -
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In the universe of eve there are many ways to simply play safe. People simply do not do it. This is not a game for immature children/whinners. If you are too lazy too open your map and check to see if an area is safe or if you dont read the forums and learn who the pirates are and keep an eye out for them when they are in your system then what do you expect??? I am no pirate, but pirates do make eve. Not because they are pirates per say but because the people that hate them start wars this allows more than just simple battles it allows alliances and the formations of strategy which is what eve is all about. Everyone loses a ship here and there but if you are too ignorant to realize that then go hide in a hole till the end of time its the only way youll be happy. I am sick of whinners and that is that.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.14 10:58:00 -
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WTF are you talking abot people?!? Comparing football with pirating?!? And checking maps is just useless sice pirates are now attacking people in secure space also (read other posts before you say anything on that one). And there are also people making alts and attacking miners in 1.0 space. Who gives a damn if you get killed by concord, the important part is to kill a mining n00b, right?
Ever heard of fair-play? I guess not. ______
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Serge
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Posted - 2003.10.14 12:18:00 -
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thb - its that easy to play pirate / terrorist whatever that I wonder how "few" of them are around.
Just imagine ... take out ppl in 0.0 ... they are alone or in a small group farming NPCs or mining. With a team of 2 players (the jammer and the torp launcher) you take them out in some seconds! Only because of the difference between "act" and "react".
I wonder that "pirates" still get caught by lawfull players and tbh I belive most of them pirate babbling when it sounds "I CTD¦d" they really are. Insta-jump bookmarks/routes, secure spots in systems and the knowledge of reaction times and action gives the aggressor the needed bonus to evade ALL player attempts to hunt a "pirate" team. Unless game mechanics help the lawfull onces by CTDing the pirate :)
This game is not getting destroyed by "pirates" but by CCP itself. But maybe they wanted it this way and we carebears have to adapt! damn. ***********************************************
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 13:06:00 -
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Quote: WTF are you talking abot people?!? Comparing football with pirating?!?
<sigh> Do you know how to hold a conversation?
Context. Go look it up.
My point was that just like I can enjoy something, for example a sport and not have to be a player, I can enjoy the role of pirates in-game. You seemed to have me down as one, so I tried to explain that I wasn't, and didn't have to be to hold my views.
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Ever heard of fair-play? I guess not.
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Darkmoon Lotus
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Posted - 2003.10.14 13:36:00 -
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Everyone in EVE has a right to enjoy the game or else what's the point in playing? I'm not a pirate myself but i aknowledge it as another aspect of the game. That said, being an aspect of the EVE universe, it (pirates and what they do) can also be exploited for stoyline purposes. Pirates i assume don't only affect Player Characters(PCs) but NPC Corps and Governments. GMs could maybe allow for a higher co-op between Players and governemnts/CONCORD, would be fun. CCP can't stop playing a game but if there are genuine exploits they should be curtailed, what is classed as 'genuine' then? That is not really up to the players to decide but GMs. I prefair to look foward to new tech and stuff in the game than think about pirates |
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.14 13:43:00 -
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Squirrrel, you are telling me that you enjoy the rolle of pirate without beeing one yourself? Or you enjoy watching pirates in EVE kill people (like you enjoy football)? It kmakes no sense to me, whatever the explanation might be.
And for the second question: Not all pirates in EVE are cheaters. BUT MOST ARE!!! To most of them it's not about pvp. It's about killing someone who can't fight back. There are very few pirates in EVE universe that don't run when they are confronted by resistance of few players. ______
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:06:00 -
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Quote: Squirrrel, you are telling me that you enjoy the rolle of pirate without beeing one yourself? Or you enjoy watching pirates in EVE kill people (like you enjoy football)? It kmakes no sense to me, whatever the explanation might be.
Football isn't really just about watching it, so don't think so literally. Speculation, rivalry, controversy and opinion are all important aspects. So, no I am not a pirate, yet without pirates in the game, it would be dull. It leads to excitment, heartache, danger, sense of achievement etc. Read the back of the box and see just how dangerous and open the universe is supposed to be.
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And for the second question: Not all pirates in EVE are cheaters. BUT MOST ARE!!! To most of them it's not about pvp. It's about killing someone who can't fight back. There are very few pirates in EVE universe that don't run when they are confronted by resistance of few players.
You are falling into a classic mindeset trap here then: that of the pirate should be honourable and fighting on equal terms, a level playing field. That doesn't happen, especially if you are smart.
Look at how wars are fought, how the big tall, long reached boxer jabs the face off the smaller guy - you use what you can to win.
Now some may cheat, you say most, please provide evidence to back this up.
Also, is jamming the hell out of and disabling an enemy before blasting it cheating? Is running away from a fight you might not win cheating? Is blasting ships that are loading after a jump or gone LD cheating?
If you answer yes to most of these, you are probably rushing headlong into every available confrontation without using your brain, and losing - and thats leading to your complaint. ---------------------------------------- Scavenger, Outright Ore Thief, Whatever. |
Kr'Kal
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:09:00 -
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All I've to say is that Pirates are good for the game, but not those gate campers waiting for a single person to pass by. A corpmate of mine got attacked by biomass recently who camped at a stargate with about 30 drones around creating lag as hell. That's what really pi**es me off : using drones instead of cans to create lag. A REAL pirate would've never done that. But well how many ppl are really doing the RPG in this MMORPG. please u so-called pirates out there: fight like pirates, do hit-and-run fights try to hit the enemy were it hurts and appear where noone would expect it. By blocking whole regions at choke systems you'll hurt the economy, by destroying a group of miners you'll help.
Yeah yeah I know things have changed since almost every region is occupied by some alliance, but wouldn't that be the challenge a bold pirate might be looking for? And one more thing to you gatecampers don't you get bored? I mean where's the fun of sitting in front of a SG or at the other end of it and waiting for one or maybe two ppl to jump by?
Well, summarizing I can say : Pirates ARE good for the game and without them Tetris would be more interesting
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:12:00 -
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Quote: All I've to say is that Pirates are good for the game, but not those gate campers waiting for a single person to pass by. A corpmate of mine got attacked by biomass recently who camped at a stargate with about 30 drones around creating lag as hell. That's what really pi**es me off : using drones instead of cans to create lag. A REAL pirate would've never done that. But well how many ppl are really doing the RPG in this MMORPG. please u so-called pirates out there: fight like pirates, do hit-and-run fights try to hit the enemy were it hurts and appear where noone would expect it. By blocking whole regions at choke systems you'll hurt the economy, by destroying a group of miners you'll help.
Yeah yeah I know things have changed since almost every region is occupied by some alliance, but wouldn't that be the challenge a bold pirate might be looking for? And one more thing to you gatecampers don't you get bored? I mean where's the fun of sitting in front of a SG or at the other end of it and waiting for one or maybe two ppl to jump by?
Well, summarizing I can say : Pirates ARE good for the game and without them Tetris would be more interesting
Cyall in space
Out of interest:
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:35:00 -
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You asked him but I can answer too (since I'm answeriung almost everything in this thread)
I would like them to respect other players and the game by not cheating or exploiting. And not just pirates. Imagine you have mined bistot with your pals under constant pirate pressure and now you wan't to cash in. You offer a fair price of x isk at the market. But then some arse, sho just copied 80k mega in his lab cuts your price by 20% and ruins your day. Same goes for pirates. You jump in and he gets you before you load the screen. And he thinks he is cool while doing that (cheating looser:).
You wan't evidence? Just check how many posts are there on the same subject and, more important, how many patches were made by CCP just to stop expoiters. More then to improve gameplay I tell you.
P.S. I don't mind pirates being chicken. That is quite normal for a cheaters. ______
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:49:00 -
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Quote: You asked him but I can answer too (since I'm answeriung almost everything in this thread)
I would like them to respect other players and the game by not cheating or exploiting. And not just pirates. Imagine you have mined bistot with your pals under constant pirate pressure and now you wan't to cash in. You offer a fair price of x isk at the market. But then some arse, sho just copied 80k mega in his lab cuts your price by 20% and ruins your day. .
Agree that cheating/exploiting is wrong of course. Someone undercutting your price is cheating??? RIIIIIght.
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Same goes for pirates. You jump in and he gets you before you load the screen. And he thinks he is cool while doing that (cheating looser:).
And this is because he's hacked the system to remove the invulnerbility timer that CCP has put on your ship to prevent this right?
And yes, if he can blow your ship open and lift the cargo hold + extras without even having to fight - he's cool. After all, he IS a pirate.
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You wan't evidence? Just check how many posts are there on the same subject and, more important, how many patches were made by CCP just to stop expoiters. More then to improve gameplay I tell you.
Post don't prove anything. Look at the number of posts ore "theft" generated. Look at how secure cans were handled.
CTD elements are cheats / exploits - and rightly so CCP put put the word that people using them would be banned, I must have missed the ones on gate camping, undercutting prices, running from fights, hanger theft, ore theft etc.
They all have their own string of posts don't they? Hardly proof that most do things.
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P.S. I don't mind pirates being chicken. That is quite normal for a cheaters.
People used to accuse me of the same thing when I "hauled" for them. My niche was confrontation on my terms, so yes running away may have made me chicken... also made me rich and kept me out of fights I could never handle.
Don't brand everyone a cheat just because they don't do things the way you like or play the game the way you like.
When those controlling the rules of the universe call it a cheat, I accept it, else it's just another guy who couldn't hack it out there throwing his toys out the pram. ---------------------------------------- Scavenger, Outright Ore Thief, Whatever. |
Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.14 14:54:00 -
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Quote: A REAL pirate would've never done that. But well how many ppl are really doing the RPG in this MMORPG. please u so-called pirates out there: fight like pirates, do hit-and-run fights try to hit the enemy were it hurts and appear where noone would expect it. By blocking whole regions at choke systems you'll hurt the economy, by destroying a group of miners you'll help
This is the section is was asking about anyhow, you never really answered it Fausto - you said how you'd like pirates to be.
My question is: What is this opinion of how a pirate should act / fight based on?
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Posted - 2003.10.14 18:28:00 -
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<on> i pay money to play this game, others do the same. Yet some ppl claim regions to benifit themselves. in order to mine for an amount of isk, i spend double/triple time mining. Now my question is : are these cheaters/exploiters? Ok i'm (as some other ppl) like: hey why not open your regions to ppl in EVE universe? Reply: to keep the regions pirate-free. Reality: BS's camping gate and waiting to kill ships, just need an excuse (something like . . . this is "our" territory). Why shouldn't they listen to MHO? Reply: why should we? Ok so "we are honorable gentlemen who fight for others (by killing pirates and such) . . . Why there are pirates in the game by the way? Ok what defines a pirate? By having negative sec of -5 and below? or 100k bounty? . . . Or what you need is an excuse to test your BS you just got from your alliance? Ok, no pirates in EVE now ( since most of them die off cuz there are so many anti-pirate gentlement these days) .. . what do you do? I mean . . who do you shoot at? (since this is the reason why some of you are playing this game, i'm sure). Your corpmate maybe? Some other alliances?!? OR all the people in EVE can sing peace songs and happy mining/making stuff -> eventully EVERYONE would be cruising around in their BS's. So cheers! Death to all pirates . Pirates kill smaller ships/gate camping n00b players = exploiters. Alliance forces kill smaller ships (pirate ships)/gate camping pirates + n00b player + non-alliance members = ? // missing something here . Lagging/jump in points = the game was programmed as IT IS, no? patch = true then happy; //ok? else{live with it} . *I'm tired of all this typing*. My point is . . whoever ruins my fun would be having me as their enemy whether they are pirates/alliances. Since i'm a one-man army(like Snake ) dont expect me to take on 1000+ player at the same time // although i know you do expect me to .
I'm a pirate now because i want to have fun and make others' game enjoyable // by giving you an excuse to kill/flame/whine and such. *coughs mainly because "they" killed my moa and blackbird without ANY "excuses" . Well my friends i can tell you this: you MADE me a pirate .. we shall meet, indeed. PS Pls dont run away in your Indy when you meet me cuz according to your viewpoint that is lame. </off>
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.14 21:34:00 -
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I already did answer your question: I expect them not to exploit - I expect them to respect other players by playing fair. (Sigh) But some prefer being chicken-cheaters I guess. ______
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Persephonie
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Posted - 2003.10.14 21:56:00 -
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Fausto you will never win this argument. Some see cheating as a part of the game, another way to win. I understand what you mean about playing within the game rules. Pirates can still be evil underhand but play within the rules of the game (no lagging) But it is basically like a footballer diving for a penalty. Though many of us would be upset with having won a game by cheating, and the trophy would be tarnished in our minds, i think the highest percentage of people would just be happy they had won, by any means possible. That is what happens when the stakes are high. Though eve is not quite as important lol to some it is very important, and they will use any method they can to win. To them blowing up a battleship where the other player is loading is a great victory.
Its a mindset of certain people and while the loopholes are there they will use them. The only answer is to suffocate the game with rules to bind them or to try to ignore these people and get on with it, though this is very hard if you are disadvantaged by a cheat...
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Posted - 2003.10.14 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Squirrrel on 14/10/2003 22:31:04 null Quote: I already did answer your question: I expect them not to exploit - I expect them to respect other players by playing fair. (Sigh) But some prefer being chicken-cheaters I guess.
Please, just for a second make sure you read what is written as you have answered a question I never asked - you're giving an answer to an unasked question.
From this:
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A REAL pirate would've never done that. But well how many ppl are really doing the RPG in this MMORPG. please u so-called pirates out there: fight like pirates, do hit-and-run fights try to hit the enemy were it hurts and appear where noone would expect it. By blocking whole regions at choke systems you'll hurt the economy, by destroying a group of miners you'll help
I am asking: From what/where is that opinion on how pirates should fight/act/behave based?
I threw the 17th Century in too to maybe give you an indication of the kind of answer I would see as appropriate to such a question.
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Ian Warr
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Posted - 2003.10.15 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ian Warr on 15/10/2003 00:08:10
Quote: Most of the pirates are so full of 'it'.
- Pirates are good for the ecenomy - Pirates are only real players since this is PVP game - Pirates help discover exploits (I like that one really) - Pirates this - Pirates that...
You want to know the truth? Real truth?
PIRATES ARE KILLING EVE.
Fausto,
I'm sorry you feel that way but the fact of the matter is that without pc pirates in this game it would be too darn predictable and its lifespan would end in no time.
In fact, it's the thrill of mining in the midst of known SI territory that keeps me logging back in each night. I'm no carebear and i can take care of myself and not because I'm ub33r, (which i am but that's for another post ), but because I've reasoned out just what another player/s would be capable of doing to me and weighed my ability to cope with it. This game is all about self reliance. If you're still wet nursing I suggest you try some mindless FPS, (which i have nothing against mind you), that risks nothing but a little ridicule from your betters. This game however, makes you actually THINK about your actions which could ultimately lead to a major sense of gratification and exhilaration or lead to a very costly disappointment. Either way, this game would be boring as hell if I didn't have to look over my theoreticle shoulder all the time while i was in .4 and below systems. I mean seriously,...if all you had to worry about was a few cruisers in a roid belt as you mine bis, how long would it take you to get everything in the game worth getting? Once that happens,...what's next? I mean..where's the next hurdle to overcome? The next challenge? How can you possibly enjoy knowing that there's nothing left to experience? No spontaneity? No "What If's"?
I'm sorry but I refuse to live my real life like that and I'll be damned if I pay to play a game that doesn't offer that either!!
Fausto, not to flame you bro, but you either need to change the way you think about this game or stop wasting your time with it.
Now let this thread die please. Nothing more constructive will come from it.
EDIT: Darn quote was messed up...
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omri
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Posted - 2003.10.15 01:22:00 -
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we at MF are pirates,but we dont camp gates and we dont camp jumpins. we did it one time and it was no fun, no contest.and we have never done it since and we have never used an exploit.as a matter of fact none of us could even tell you what the known exploits are. cuz we dont look for them.
we are the "bully girl" of the universe. by that, i mean if you beat us it was expected and if you lose to us you will never admit it. and we lose alot more than we win, but its fun.
pirates and miners need each other.in order to have fun, atleast thats what i think.
we try to be like 17th century pirates we hunt the asteroid belts as if they were the open seas, for people to attack and rob.
without the miners we would have no fun at all.
i dont think we are ruining the game, atleast i hope not.
"objects in your rearview mirror are as small as they appear to be"
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.15 05:16:00 -
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Quote: I am asking: From what/where is that opinion on how pirates should fight/act/behave based?
(Sigh) Do I really have to explain to you why I expect people to follow game rules? Nothing else, JUST FOLLOW THE RULES! No rules - no game.
Without the cheaters this game would be more exciting and lessfrustrating.
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.15 09:03:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: I am asking: From what/where is that opinion on how pirates should fight/act/behave based?
(Sigh) Do I really have to explain to you why I expect people to follow game rules? Nothing else, JUST FOLLOW THE RULES! No rules - no game.
Without the cheaters this game would be more exciting and lessfrustrating.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.15 09:07:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: I am asking: From what/where is that opinion on how pirates should fight/act/behave based?
(Sigh) Do I really have to explain to you why I expect people to follow game rules? Nothing else, JUST FOLLOW THE RULES! No rules - no game.
Without the cheaters this game would be more exciting and lessfrustrating.
You're not even paying attention, are you Fausto?
He asked you a question, he didn't ask you to constantly repeat yourself.
While I'm here though...
Explain some of the cheats that pirates use. Explain some of the rules that pirates break. (in-game 'rules', not earthly moral rules)
I'm not sure you could manage anything better than 'duh... exploit!!! lagging!!! camping!!', but I'm willing to give you the opportunity. .
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Posted - 2003.10.15 09:39:00 -
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Pirates make life interesting, without them is is less difficult to see what goals to aim for i.e why are you saving for your Cruiser/BS/Titan? if not to get some revenge.
If people don't like being shot down by them then they should consider joining one of the large alliances that exist who have controls over their regions. Being a long-standing member of Stain Alliance we try not to kill people who aren't pirates by following a very specific set of guidelines of engagement. (Flying into the region in a noob corp is not a good idea usually- since we find these people are often pirate corp alt characters and will most likely be shot down). For all other corps we follow the rules. IF for whatever reason you aren't a pirate and get shot down, well there are people it can be discussed with and the Alliance can look at replacing lost equipment/ships. Also joining a large alliance/corp (such as MASS) will ensure your ship is replaced if you are shot down by pirate corps. So, for all the whiners on this thread, you should consider getting your CEO's to talk to the big Alliance leaders and open channels to obtain passes for the regions- you wouldn't have to worry about pirates so much then and those that want to fight are welcomed to join the guard posts/ strikes on the pirate areas.
2004.09.07 00:12:19combatYour True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laser perfectly strikes Medium Secure Container [MASS], wrecking for 1685.3 damage. Your True Sansha Tachyon Beam Laser perfectly strikes Medium Secure Container [MASS], wrecking for 1685.3 damage. |
darth solo
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Posted - 2003.10.15 16:29:00 -
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Quote: Fausto you will never win this argument. Some see cheating as a part of the game, another way to win. I understand what you mean about playing within the game rules. Pirates can still be evil underhand but play within the rules of the game (no lagging) But it is basically like a footballer diving for a penalty. Though many of us would be upset with having won a game by cheating, and the trophy would be tarnished in our minds, i think the highest percentage of people would just be happy they had won, by any means possible. That is what happens when the stakes are high. Though eve is not quite as important lol to some it is very important, and they will use any method they can to win. To them blowing up a battleship where the other player is loading is a great victory.
Its a mindset of certain people and while the loopholes are there they will use them. The only answer is to suffocate the game with rules to bind them or to try to ignore these people and get on with it, though this is very hard if you are disadvantaged by a cheat...
I was going to post my usual reply, but this nice lady has said it all.
We will be camping jump in points in the future looking for rats to jump in, maybe after a few deaths, they might start to understand what its all about.
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.10.15 16:32:00 -
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Pirates absolutely make the game interesting.
I recently took part in group action against PC pirates. We didn't win. But it was without a doubt the best time I've had in EVE yet.
Nothing beats the excitement of sitting at a planet, running the scanner and going "Oh crap, that's not our battleship!!" --------------
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.16 05:33:00 -
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Quote: I am asking: From what/where is that opinion on how pirates should fight/act/behave based?
From what/where?!? How about from ME!!! I'm constantly expressing my personal opinion here, and not quoting some 'pirate' manual. Or is having an opinion other then yours bad?
As for the exploits used by pirates (and others) how about I name some: cans, drones, grid, ctd (when using some modules), mega copying... Happy now that I know what I'm talking about? Or are you going to complain about my english again?
It seems to me that all you 'pirate defenders' in these forums are the ones without real arguments. All you can say is stupid things like: die carebears, I'm your father, I'll pod you, pirates are cool... Is that the best you can? Are you simply going to continue saying NO whenewer someone presents an opinion? I guess cheaters will always find a way to justify their actions in their heads. And I do not intend to win any arguments here, I'm expressing my opinion on your faul play that kills the EVE expirience. ______
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.16 08:06:00 -
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P.S. Go Darth Solo ______
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Posted - 2003.10.16 09:55:00 -
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Quote: we at MF are pirates,but we dont camp gates and we dont camp jumpins. we did it one time and it was no fun, no contest.and we have never done it since and we have never used an exploit.as a matter of fact none of us could even tell you what the known exploits are. cuz we dont look for them.
we are the "bully girl" of the universe. by that, i mean if you beat us it was expected and if you lose to us you will never admit it. and we lose alot more than we win, but its fun.
pirates and miners need each other.in order to have fun, atleast thats what i think.
we try to be like 17th century pirates we hunt the asteroid belts as if they were the open seas, for people to attack and rob.
without the miners we would have no fun at all.
i dont think we are ruining the game, atleast i hope not.
"objects in your rearview mirror are as small as they appear to be"
I like what i hear, can i join up ?
-- Lady Beeblebrox
Teddybears movies
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:20:00 -
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Quote:
As for the exploits used by pirates (and others) how about I name some: cans, drones, grid, ctd (when using some modules), mega copying...
Come now, Fausto.
Cans do not lag at jump in points. This has been proved by players and devs alike. Don't believe me? Try it yourself.
Drones do lag. Which is expected. You have to actually deploy drones to use them, and who is going to be sitting at a gate with their offensive weapons stuck inside their ship? Drones lag - as do ships. All large scale battles lag to hell and back.
Is having a number of ships at a gate, causing lag, an exploit?
Is fielding a large number of ships in a large battle, causing lag, an exploit?
Blame CCP for the way the game loads objects when coming out of warp, not the people sitting at the gate. Battles lag - whether it's ships or drones, it's a fact of life. Deal with it, instead of claiming exploit.
As for the rest, if you can cite occasions when pirates, and only pirates, have deliberately used grid, module ctd, or mega copying, you'd have some credibility.
As it stands, when grid problems appear in battles, you have no way of knowing what's going on - suddenly everything disappears. What to do then? Warp away? Find your mates and rejoin the battle? The losing side will always claim exploit - no-one likes to lose.
Module-caused CTD has happened to most people in a battle, and cannot be 'exploited' by pirates - you need to have 2 ships use the same module at the same time. Not even getting into the likelihood of 2 ships having the same module fitted.
And the only *rumour* of a corp copying Mega was a non-pirate corp.
You have absolutely no proof that any of these things are being used by pirates to ruin the game.
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And I do not intend to win any arguments here, I'm expressing my opinion on your faul play that kills the EVE expirience.
Then stop getting upset with people when they choose to ignore your opinion, or disagree with it.
Frankly the only thing I can see that kills EVE is sour grapes and people crying "Exploit!" whenever something doesn't go their way.
Cheers, TOM
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:25:00 -
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I agree with every part of your post except this:
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Blame CCP for the way the game loads objects when coming out of warp, not the people sitting at the gate. Battles lag - whether it's ships or drones, it's a fact of life. Deal with it, instead of claiming exploit.
Knowing that the way the game loads objects when coming out of warp puts people at a severe disadvantage, and using that knowledge to kill them before they even know they're being attacked is exploiting a known problem.
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:35:00 -
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Quote: I agree with every part of your post except this:
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Blame CCP for the way the game loads objects when coming out of warp, not the people sitting at the gate. Battles lag - whether it's ships or drones, it's a fact of life. Deal with it, instead of claiming exploit.
Knowing that the way the game loads objects when coming out of warp puts people at a severe disadvantage, and using that knowledge to kill them before they even know they're being attacked is exploiting a known problem.
It would be if it was some secret hidden thing. But it's not - it's been there since Beta.
The more moving or moveable objects you have when you come out of warp, the slower it will be to load it all up.
It's common knowledge now. As is checking the map, checking local, the 10 second invulnerability you have when you come out of warp, etc. etc. etc.
I had an alt in a noob corp, and all the noobs knew this. It was being actively discussed - "Why can't CCP fix it?"
Really, losing a ship to a jump-gate camping spawn is pretty inexcusable these days.
Which comes back to the main point in all of this - most of the "pirates are bad" complaints consist of sour grapes, and not much else.
Cheers, TOM
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.16 12:48:00 -
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I'm not only refering to pirates people. I'm refering to exploiters of all kind. Cheating killed games before and it will continue killing EVE becouse some were never educated in fair-play. I'm not the only one who thinks that way. And as for 'the pirates are bad' statement that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying 'cheaters are bad' and most of EVE pirates are exactly that - cheaters. Darn, they even confess themselfes, just read other threads in this forums. If you want me to present more evidence what do you expect then? Log files?!? Screenshots of exploits? Give me a break, people are filling the forums daily with cheating expiriences and if that is not enough then you have a problem with accepting the truth.
Well I can give you one proof of exploiting being active among pirates: HUGE NUMBER OF CCP PATCHES ORIENTED AGAINST PIRATES AND EXPLOITING. If you don't accept that one then you are blind. CCP people are spending more time fixing exploits then introducing new tech to the game - AND THAT IS ONE MORE THING KILLING THE GAME - just becouse some people hate playing fairly. ______
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.16 13:06:00 -
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Quote: I'm not only refering to pirates people.
Nonsense. Why was your original post titled that way then?
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Well I can give you one proof of exploiting being active among pirates: HUGE NUMBER OF CCP PATCHES ORIENTED AGAINST PIRATES AND EXPLOITING. If you don't accept that one then you are blind. CCP people are spending more time fixing exploits then introducing new tech to the game - AND THAT IS ONE MORE THING KILLING THE GAME - just becouse some people hate playing fairly.
More nonsense. CCP had better be patching against exploits, but patches against pirates?
And patches to fix known bugs are proof of pirates exploiting how, exactly?
Like I said, people making baseless accusations of "Exploit!" and sour grapes - all CCP hear is complaints from the unwary and lazy about ship losses to pirates, and *boom* down come the patches.
That's nothing to do with pirates exploiting, that's to do with whining.
Pirates podding noobs in 1.0 is bad. But look at the results of incessant whining from people who want to AFK rarer and better ore - insanely powerful sentry guns everywhere, and Concord doing the full LAPD-Rodney King act at the drop of a hat.
Things like that are ruining the game far more.
Cheers, TOM
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.10.16 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ch'ryl on 16/10/2003 13:55:50
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It would be if it was some secret hidden thing. But it's not - it's been there since Beta.
The more moving or moveable objects you have when you come out of warp, the slower it will be to load it all up.
I'm talking about jumping in here actually, not warping. Warping can be lagged yes but the problem is with camping jump in points where the ship shows before the client has loaded. People using this to their advantage, are in my opinion exploiting a known problem. Yes CCP should fix it, but until they do people will continue to complain about people who exploit this problem.
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Which comes back to the main point in all of this - most of the "pirates are bad" complaints consist of sour grapes, and not much else.
I agree. Not all pirates are bad. Pirates help to make the game more exciting and it would be more boring without them. However, I don't class the jump-in campers as pirates and no argument will make me think otherwise.
And yes, I do check my map, and have not lost a ship to jump-in campers. That doesn't change my opinion of those who camp jump-in points.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:10:00 -
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Quote: More nonsense. CCP had better be patching against exploits, but patches against pirates?
But you said it yourself few lines later. Sentry guns at every gate. Do you think that was decided to shoot the asteroids or prevent pirates from camping the gates? THAT WAS ANTI-PIRATE PATCH!!!
Are you another person saying NONSENSE when someone expresses his opinion? Or are you one of the people claiming that pirates are not greatest EVE exploiters? And you complain about powerfull CONCORD? Why? And you are calling all people that complain lazy?!? I do not AFK mine, I like to play this game and you still put me amongts AFK miners? I guess its my turn now: NONSENSE.
Quote: Like I said, people making baseless accusations of "Exploit!" and sour grapes - all CCP hear is complaints from the unwary and lazy about ship losses to pirates, and *boom* down come the patches.
So you are just confirming my words that CCP is fullfilling desires of majority of players. Yu are just calling complaints 'baseless' and 'sour grapes' but for me CCP reacting to them is the biggest confirmation ever!
[q]Things like that are ruining the game far more.[/q]
So fixing bugs and (or) pleasing the majority of customers is something you don't like? Well you have a right to your opinion, the question is what you are going to do about it? You can try complaining (the way you are doing it now) more often and if enough people support your opinion CCP will withdraw guns, and weaken CONCORD and I will withdraw myself from the argument. But somehow I doubt it will happen, and I firmly belive that the majority of players is ****ed by cheaters/exploiters. And I have a speacial relationship to pirate scum of EVE, since they are trying to make their cheating look like something cool, some form of achivement. For me pirates will stay greates chteaters until I witness the opposite.
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Archain
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:53:00 -
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(In Yoda voice)
Fear leades to anger....
anger leads to hate....
hate leads to suff-er-ing.... (add extra voice quiver on the word "Suffering")
/me closes his eyes and nods his head
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:55:00 -
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Quote: More nonsense. CCP had better be patching against exploits, but patches against pirates?
But you said it yourself few lines later. Sentry guns at every gate. Do you think that was decided to shoot the asteroids or prevent pirates from camping the gates? THAT WAS ANTI-PIRATE PATCH!!!
You misread me - maybe I didn't make it clear enough. I agree with CCP patching against exploits, but strongly disagree with CCP making patches to penalise a particular play style.
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Are you another person saying NONSENSE when someone expresses his opinion? Or are you one of the people claiming that pirates are not greatest EVE exploiters? And you complain about powerfull CONCORD? Why? And you are calling all people that complain lazy?!?
I suggest you re-read what I said, instead of thinking you know what I said, and replying accordingly.
- I did not say that anyone who complained was lazy - I said that anyone who lost a ship to gate campers was lazy and stupid
- Your 'opinion' is baseless accusations with no substance - as such, yes, in *my* opinion, it is nonsense
- Yes, I am saying that pirates are not EVE's greatest exploiters - fairly clearly, I thought.
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I do not AFK mine, I like to play this game and you still put me amongts AFK miners? I guess its my turn now: NONSENSE.
Wrong. Your anti-pirate ranting shows you do not want to play the game - you want the game changed to support the way you want to play. As such, yes, I believe you should be classed amongst the AFK miners.
Quote: So you are just confirming my words that CCP is fullfilling desires of majority of players. Yu are just calling complaints 'baseless' and 'sour grapes' but for me CCP reacting to them is the biggest confirmation ever!
This is utterly untrue. How many people post on these boards? How many people are in game, playing?
CCP have reacted to a vocal minority of complainers, and that is ruining the game.
Quote: So fixing bugs and (or) pleasing the majority of customers is something you don't like? Well you have a right to your opinion, the question is what you are going to do about it?
Fixing bugs and claiming that (to paraphrase) "all pirates are exploiters and the game must be patched to cripple the way pirates play" are two very different things. Others can see that - why can't you?
As to what I will do - as others have, I will keep on presenting a balanced point of view.
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For me pirates will stay greates chteaters until I witness the opposite.
Which will never happen, because the two of you fundamentally play different games.
Which is right and proper - EVE is big enough for many different play styles.
Others realise that - it's the narrow minded who want the entire game changed to match their play style that ruin it for all.
Each time people like you and pirates (or PvPers) meet, you will come out the loser - they specialise in PvP combat, you do not.
Rather than shout "Exploit", how about you train your skills, get combat experience, level the playing field?
If you don't want to, that's your choice - but then stay in 1.0 safe space and keep quiet.
You can't have it all, and whining to CCP to have that is ruining the game.
Cheers, TOM
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:58:00 -
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Quote: However, I don't class the jump-in campers as pirates and no argument will make me think otherwise.
And yes, I do check my map, and have not lost a ship to jump-in campers. That doesn't change my opinion of those who camp jump-in points.
I'd agree with the jump-in camping being bad. Jump-out points need to be more dynamic and random to stamp that sort of thing out.
Cheers, TOM
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Archain
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:09:00 -
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I think Tom has this one won, Fausto. He's pretty surgical when it comes to debating and his command of the language is very strong.
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Warnei Belmid
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:23:00 -
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I was gonna type a reply to this rubbish, but you all beat me to it. What does this guy want to do? Mine all day long? I have had many a ship blown up by pirates, but i've also killed a few pirates myself. I don't agree with exploiting, but most people don't do it.
Pirates are the life of this game. If they weren't here, there would be miners and traders. End Of. Keep up the good work pirates. (I replied anyway)
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:44:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: I am asking: From what/where is that opinion on how pirates should fight/act/behave based?
From what/where?!? How about from ME!!! I'm constantly expressing my personal opinion here, and not quoting some 'pirate' manual. Or is having an opinion other then yours bad?
If you show me where I said you couldn't have an opinion or even that the opposite view to mine is wrong then I'll agree. While we are at it, since when has asking someone a question and wanting a relevant answer been anything other than wanting to actually HEAR someones opinion?
You are still unable or unwilling to properly answer the question about pirates. Of course the opinion comes from YOU, my opinion comes from ME but it's what is behind that, where it came from that the question is referring to. My views on what makes a pirate and how they should act is heavily based on the real life (and in some cases slightly fictonal glamourisations) of the pirates in the 17th Century... now how about yours?
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As for the exploits used by pirates (and others) how about I name some: cans, drones, grid, ctd (when using some modules), mega copying... Happy now that I know what I'm talking about? Or are you going to complain about my english again?
Your use of the English language seems to be the least of your problems.
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It seems to me that all you 'pirate defenders' in these forums are the ones without real arguments.
Well that is of course your opinion. Good luck in finding anyone who agrees with it.
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All you can say is stupid things like: die carebears, I'm your father, I'll pod you, pirates are cool... Is that the best you can?
You seem to have a memory issue too then. Look back through the thread and see the number of times this has not been said and more rational and detailed responses are given.
Seriously, distorting facts to suit for arguments is not making any of your arguments stand up.
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Are you simply going to continue saying NO whenewer someone presents an opinion? I guess cheaters will always find a way to justify their actions in their heads.
Which brings us to the "it's not pirates it's cheaters I meant" type comment you made.
You obviously know the words cheat, cheating, cheaters, exploit etc. Why not use those words in the topic title?
Looks very much to me like you've realised you either made a mistake or are backtracking, yes many cheaters may well be pirates, that doesn't however validate your generalisation and earlier rants.
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And I do not intend to win any arguments here,
Thats lucky for you then eh? ;)
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I'm expressing my opinion on your faul play that kills the EVE expirience.
Yet not really willing to listen to what seems in this topic to be the majority that don't agree with your view.
Think that says something don't you?
Still, I'd much prefer you being desperate for attention here than going and blowing someone away IRL Fausto. ---------------------------------------- Scavenger, Outright Ore Thief, Whatever. |
Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.10.16 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 16/10/2003 17:08:28 Edited by: Luc Boye on 16/10/2003 17:06:19
Quote: I'm not only refering to pirates people. I'm refering to exploiters of all kind. Cheating killed games before and it will continue killing EVE becouse some were never educated in fair-play. I'm not the only one who thinks that way. And as for 'the pirates are bad' statement that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying 'cheaters are bad' and most of EVE pirates are exactly that - cheaters. Darn, they even confess themselfes, just read other threads in this forums. If you want me to present more evidence what do you expect then? Log files?!? Screenshots of exploits? Give me a break, people are filling the forums daily with cheating expiriences and if that is not enough then you have a problem with accepting the truth.
Well I can give you one proof of exploiting being active among pirates: HUGE NUMBER OF CCP PATCHES ORIENTED AGAINST PIRATES AND EXPLOITING. If you don't accept that one then you are blind. CCP people are spending more time fixing exploits then introducing new tech to the game - AND THAT IS ONE MORE THING KILLING THE GAME - just becouse some people hate playing fairly.
You ignorant imbecile. Why don't you make an alt and try to pirate yourself, and tell me what tactics there are. Stop trolling these forums you worthless example of casual sex without preservatives.
Ask GMs what to do about exploits; fill in a exploit-type petition, don't troll on forums. Oh, yeah, how could you, you have to actually see an exploit in order to report it. And how could you ever see it when that Veldspar rock is obscuring your view...
You keep babbling about how cheaters kill online games. Well if your lame ass could grasp the truth, it is the whiners that use the excuse "he cheated" to explain their failures. I played a lot of games online, ever since starcraft, a lot of fps games too. My clan at the moment holds #1 spot on US 6v6 ladder in Americas Army. There are a lot of people that take gaming as fun, but on highly competitive level. There are even more of the a$$hats you like that are crying "OMG WTF CHEATER!!1" since online gaming was invented.
Online games are great way to have fun. What is pathethic about your kind is that you don't have fun, you use games to escape reality, create alter ego, and all you end up is a wimpy whining wuss, which is ironic when you think of it.
At least 20 people tried to reply with the facts, but nooooo, they didn't think like you do. You disgust me. --
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Insulter
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Posted - 2003.10.16 19:35:00 -
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*hands Fausto The Carebear Whiner of The Year award
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.10.16 20:10:00 -
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Quote: You ignorant imbecile
Yet another strong pirate argument in every thread. That just shows the level of your education and respect for others. You must be very sad and lonely person in real life. I pitty you and feel sorry for your future.
To all people insulting me: You are not made to play online games. You should spend time in the arcade playing mortal combat or whatever you play to release your agression. I really hope that none of you has/will have a responsible job in real life since you (will) probably suck at it. I have already abandoned one thread due to primitivism of some loosers and I will do it again since I will not allow myself to enter further arguments with people like yourself after you showed your real (ugly) face. ______
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Archain
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Posted - 2003.10.16 22:16:00 -
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Quote: *hands Fausto The Carebear Whiner of The Year award
You do know that we take these away from you when you walk backstage right, Fausto? We'll mail you the real one, this one is used the entire night.
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Squirrrel
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Posted - 2003.10.17 00:42:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: You ignorant imbecile
To all people insulting me: You are not made to play online games. You should spend time in the arcade playing mortal combat or whatever you play to release your agression. I really hope that none of you has/will have a responsible job in real life since you (will) probably suck at it. I have already abandoned one thread due to primitivism of some loosers and I will do it again since I will not allow myself to enter further arguments with people like yourself after you showed your real (ugly) face.
And what about those that haven't insulted you, asked questions, got weak, irrelevant answers and have a case for why a PvP game should probably have people killing each other?
Nice way to try to back out of this thread with your head held high - you are fooling noone.
Go grab some attention in another thread/ on another board - that seems to be your intention since a "discussion" you are both incapable of, and uninterested in. ---------------------------------------- Scavenger, Outright Ore Thief, Whatever. |
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Princess Podkill
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Posted - 2003.10.17 02:53:00 -
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Fausto may I recommend Sims Online? :) Let the ppl with some perspective and anchoring in real life play this game. You obviously take this game too much to heart. Did you cry when you lost at monopoly? Duh... I would think so... "I landed on your hotel! Cheater, Exploiter - go take out your aggression somewhere else you pirate! I am playing monopoly for the carebear community feeling of it... give me back my monopoly money!"
Rofl - grow up and stop whining... if you loose at a game then take it as a man and don't start accusing people of not playing by the rules...
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budge
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Posted - 2003.10.17 07:25:00 -
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Haveing a Friend Killed By Caldari Princess and then spending days thinking of how to get her back i relised one thing.... it is a game, and i do not forget and i read your post and you are getting a Scorpion, so forget that!!!!!! let sleeping dogs lie.
Also When fighting a pirate i get a thrill, the hart pumps faster and u think how long should i stay or should i risk losing my ship!!! Will they run ..........
So let them stay ..... just join one of the many Groups fighting them and have some fun.... and if u get jumped make sure u have insurence.... maybe CCP should bring the price down for Low sec rating people and raise it for pirates ...
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Dragodrone
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Posted - 2003.10.17 15:37:00 -
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<- CLOSING THREAD FOR GOD(tm) SAKE ->
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Aelius
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Posted - 2003.10.18 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 18/10/2003 08:34:43
Next time i see u prepare to "Erased".Then you will be all "Alone" at the clone facility just as u like it. Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station |
brutotal
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Posted - 2003.10.19 11:48:00 -
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i seriously don't get this post-carebear comes over and says how we shouldn't have pvp because we are hurting other people by doing it pirates say: thats the point would it be pvp if they respawned in the exact same ship they we're in before with the same gear carebear-dumb ass saying that because carebears are leaving this game is gonna die bs the less carebears we have the better this game is DEATH to All CAREBEARS more and more greivers will come everyday after we have no carebears and then it will be fun
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2003.10.19 14:32:00 -
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Quote: Most of the pirates are so full of 'it'. PIRATES ARE KILLING EVE.
You've got to be kidding. The thing killing EVE is the ing undocumented changes about when and where you can attack other players. | Join eve-webring.com to promote your site. |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.19 14:48:00 -
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Hmm i dont recall any changes in the security allowances since retail, i might have missed it though -
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Tiger Eyes
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Posted - 2003.10.19 21:27:00 -
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ok, dont get me wrong, i'm not a fan of pirates by any means, but has anyone who bothers to complain about the amount of pirates in the game bother to look at the box the game came in? all the descriptions on it are all about how you can be a pirate. it's obvious just by reading the box that the game is pro-pirate. If you don't like the idea of pirates, you probably shouldn't have picked out this game, or either read the box before you bought it.
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Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2003.10.20 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 20/10/2003 04:58:23 Fausto. I make no excuses. I do not need anymore ISK and I have my very own selection of battleships. So why do I insist on podding everyone I see?
Because I love it...
It gives me a kick when I pod someone like you. It gives me a kick when people like you send me an Eve mail, swearing and cursing at me.
Frankly I just love causing people like you grief. LOVE it I say.
So I do it for the sheer enjoyment and of course the delicous "SQUELCH" sound as the pods implode.
I truly hope you cross my path. For if you do, rest assured I will pod YOU and take your precious miner2's for recycling.
C U soon.
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and im going to kill them". |
Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2003.10.20 12:18:00 -
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This game needs the good and the bad ..... like any other "online game".
1.0 to 0.5 you can't get attacked by pirates . 0.4 to 0.0 you can ...
Seems fair to me.
Now lets get to the real problem .... you want to be able to run around 0.0 space mining bistot in a Probe / Indy all day, making piles of isk without any risk........
Maybe a better soution would be to join a corporation, organise some defence and then mine in low sec areas.
Bl**ody Carebears make me sick ......
Mongo speaks !!
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Ch'ryl
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Posted - 2003.10.20 12:41:00 -
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Fausto you really need to stop flogging this long-dead horse.
As someone who doesn't actively go looking for pvp (ie I am not a pirate nor do I hunt pirates) and yet doesn't actively go out of my way to avoid it either (I don't stay in high sec space and *will* try to fight back if attacked unless I am totally outnumbered), I must say that I find your claims that pirates are ruining the game to be more than a little irritating.
Pirates are not ruining the game. They are a necessary part of the game, without which the game would be a lot less interesting for most people.
Yes there are some people who exploit known problems with the game in order to gain an advantage and I agree that this should be stopped. However, to claim that all pirates are griefers is just as bad as claiming that all law-abiding players are carebears.
Neither is the case, but there will always be some people on both sides who - for want of wit and an ability to follow a reasoned argument - will claim so.
As a peaceful player who doesn't go looking for trouble unless it finds me first, I am offended by your claim that most of the people in this game don't want pvp. If I didn't want the risk of pvp I would sit and mine all day in 1.0 space. The fact that I don't should tell you a lot.
Why is it that when someone tells you that there are over a billion stars in the universe, you believe them, but if they tell you there is wet paint somewhere, you have to touch it to make sure? |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.20 13:40:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Miz Cenuij on 20/10/2003 04:58:23 Fausto. I make no excuses. I do not need anymore ISK and I have my very own selection of battleships. So why do I insist on podding everyone I see?
Because I love it...
It gives me a kick when I pod someone like you. It gives me a kick when people like you send me an Eve mail, swearing and cursing at me.
Frankly I just love causing people like you grief. LOVE it I say.
So I do it for the sheer enjoyment and of course the delicous "SQUELCH" sound as the pods implode.
I truly hope you cross my path. For if you do, rest assured I will pod YOU and take your precious miner2's for recycling.
C U soon.
Amen, and you should see the mails you get from ore-stealing
This is not a hijack
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SaymyName
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Posted - 2003.10.20 15:19:00 -
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Amen, and you should see the mails you get from ore-stealing
yea and when you accidentaly blown up a indy after the pilot has picked the ore out of his/her secure container then take the ore for your self along with what moduals he/she had on. oh wait thats out right pirating. YARR!! --------- M F caulsing havoc one frigate at a time. |
Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.10.20 15:54:00 -
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Quote: Ahhhh, always same faces (90%) responding my posts in same (arrogant, 'no brain', I'm the toughest MF, I kick arse) maner which proves my point. You will remember my words in few months time.
Bored
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.20 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/10/2003 16:13:09
Quote: This game needs the good and the bad ..... like any other "online game".
1.0 to 0.5 you can't get attacked by pirates . 0.4 to 0.0 you can ...
Seems fair to me.
Now lets get to the real problem .... you want to be able to run around 0.0 space mining bistot in a Probe / Indy all day, making piles of isk without any risk........
Maybe a better soution would be to join a corporation, organise some defence and then mine in low sec areas.
Bl**ody Carebears make me sick ......
I think I'm coming down with something Mr Pecker ... I can't disagree with a single word of what you said ;)
lol
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Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2003.10.20 17:39:00 -
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Got Banana? |
Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2003.10.20 17:45:00 -
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The above post shows the active player base over the last 6 months.
In the first month, after mass m0o griefage, everyone was talking about hundreds of people quiting blabla.After very bad publication and advertisent, which wasn't exactly CCP's fault, (I've never met another person who knows this game or has heard about it, yet i talk to co-workers and friends all the time)
It shows that Eve is going steady, and that pirating does not effect the total active player base.Which blows the entire "Pirates are killing eve" arguement out of the water.
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Lord Guerdo
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Posted - 2003.10.21 13:58:00 -
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From what/where?!? How about from ME!!! I'm constantly expressing my personal opinion here, and not quoting some 'pirate' manual. Or is having an opinion other then yours bad?
As for the exploits used by pirates (and others) how about I name some: cans, drones, grid, ctd (when using some modules), mega copying... Happy now that I know what I'm talking about? Or are you going to complain about my english again?
It seems to me that all you 'pirate defenders' in these forums are the ones without real arguments. All you can say is stupid things like: die carebears, I'm your father, I'll pod you, pirates are cool... Is that the best you can? Are you simply going to continue saying NO whenewer someone presents an opinion? I guess cheaters will always find a way to justify their actions in their heads. And I do not intend to win any arguments here, I'm expressing my opinion on your faul play that kills the EVE expirience.
Arguement is flawed.
Mega copying - 1 corp did this, was banished all but a little amount of the copied mega was traced and destroyed.
Cans - not an exploit its simple space trash that you get from killing anything, its simply regarded as being lazy, not clearing up after yourself.
Drones - not an exploit to have Scout drones or Heavy drones orbiting your ship, they are attacking vessels. the only exception to this is using harvester drones for no tactical purpose excpet to cause lag, which youll find 100% of pirates dont use harvesters to cause lag.
Grid - has been fixed
CTD - this is the only exploit that was in use by players OF ALL WALKS OF EVE LIFE not jsut pirates, and as such CCP has managed to fix this.
so Fausto **** off, research your arguement, stop whining and grow a pair.
Lord Guerdo
I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ). |
Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2003.10.21 22:46:00 -
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For once I'm speechless ..... Jade and I agree on something ...
Mongo speaks !!
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.10.22 11:14:00 -
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This might've already been asked, but I don't want to surf through this gigantic wave of diarrhea:
"Pirates are runing eve"
Ruining, or running?
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Kaguro Ijima
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Posted - 2003.10.22 11:22:00 -
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Simple answer to all miner, traider, civilian complains: Pirates is Death in this game. Death is a spice for life. Without Death, Life is meaningless. Without pirates game is losing it's sence.
Or do you realy like growing rich and fat without any treat ? Bet you are from US then.
P.S. Hate all that crybabys saying: we worked so har and somebody gonna blow it up! Bah! Life is all like that baby, you gotta deal with it or just lay down and die.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2003.10.22 11:54:00 -
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Pirate's hmmm, most heart thumping fun I've had in this game is when I'm either being chased or chasing p rats. I think they make the Eve universe complete. If all I had to do was look out for the occasional NPC rat then I would get vey bored very quickly.
I think a lack of p rats would kill the game dead.
If you really dont like them stay in 1 sec space but then what would be the point. Go play something else
Only thing I would say is that p rats should stay away from noob spawning areas to give them a chance to develop.
Tal
What goes around come around
What goes around comes around...
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:16:00 -
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Quote: This might've already been asked, but I don't want to surf through this gigantic wave of diarrhea:
"Pirates are runing eve"
Ruining, or running?
I thought he meant running, which was the reason I clicked on this trainwreck of a thread in the first place.. .
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2003.10.22 14:56:00 -
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omg what a completely pointless thread... my advice to you is... uninstall the game, play Microsoft Train Simulator Sass Arcane Technologies |
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