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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:26:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:What concerns me (and frankly should concern everyone) is people are being banned because of who their friends are. Show me your friends and I will tell you who you are - unknownNo tears shed for anyone who got banned.
The wowser mistakes the world for a penitentiary and themselves as the warden - old Australian proverb. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4962
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:27:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are?
There are only two rules of any importance and they are not hard to understand. 1) Don't **** with newbs. 2) Keep it in the game. Like I said before. If you don't know when you are breaking one of these rules, you are too stupid to be a part of the community. Mr Epeen so racism and real life threats are fine as long as i keep it in the game, and it's not a new player? Not just that. Racism, real life threats, and doxxing. [edit: Oh, and sexually explicit insults
Oh, I have an old Australian convict proverb for this one as well.
The law locks up the man who steals the goose from the common, but leaves the greater criminal loose who steals the common from the goose GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:27:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are?
There are only two rules of any importance and they are not hard to understand. 1) Don't **** with newbs. 2) Keep it in the game. Like I said before. If you don't know when you are breaking one of these rules, you are too stupid to be a part of the community. Mr Epeen
The problem with #2 is that it's none of CCP's goddamn business what I do OUTSIDE of their game. They dont own my computer, they dont pay for my TS server, and theyre not the freakin FBI. As I asked in another thread: If there's a player meetup at some pub around here and I get into a fistfight with one of the other players because he ganked my Venture, can I get banned?
What if I'm hosting the meetup at my house?
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
479
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:29:00 -
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CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Something I was going to post however I figured that it would result in some fancy slanty text and an ISD tag. (And no this was not a personal attack, it's just you know vague to know, you know?) So I just figured I'd write this. Keep your hands up, don't put them down. DJ Turn up that song! We'll dance until sun comes up!
The roof!
The roof!
The roof is on fire!
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Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:38:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are?
There are only two rules of any importance and they are not hard to understand. 1) Don't **** with newbs. 2) Keep it in the game. Like I said before. If you don't know when you are breaking one of these rules, you are too stupid to be a part of the community. Mr Epeen The problem with #2 is that it's none of CCP's goddamn business what I do OUTSIDE of their game. They dont own my computer, they dont pay for my TS server, and theyre not the freakin FBI. As I asked in another thread: If there's a player meetup at some pub around here and I get into a fistfight with one of the other players because he ganked my Venture, can I get banned? What if I'm hosting the meetup at my house? I really don't get all you people trying to make up weird comparisons so you can weasle your way around a few rules that are really, really simple and very much common sense. Just ******* behave like decent human beings. It really is simple as that.
I honestly feel that those crying they were banned for no reason at all are most likely just lying, you know? Maybe to save face, maybe just to stirr up some more **** 'cause they can't log in anymore? pew pew |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:41:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
so racism and real life threats are fine as long as i keep it in the game, and it's not a new player?
You're either trolling or have never been out of high sec. Local chat is 24/7 racism and death threats. It's not right, but it's near impossible to keep a lid on. If you see something, petition it. That's the only way to get a handle on it. But no one ever does. So here we are, not using the tools that CCP give us and whining that they're not doing anything about the problem. Mr Epeen
except what you've just cited as a problem has nothing to do with the discussion. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11466
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:46:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:What concerns me (and frankly should concern everyone) is people are being banned because of who their friends are. Show me your friends and I will tell you who you are - unknownNo tears shed for anyone who got banned. That's ******* absurd. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:53:00 -
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Quote: Oh, I have an old Australian convict proverb for this one as well.
It's a little off topic, so forgive me, but this has been bugging me for a while now.... why is it that you Aussies are always wrong about what day it is?
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6164
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:54:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Quote: Oh, I have an old Australian convict proverb for this one as well.
It's a little off topic, so forgive me, but this has been bugging me for a while now.... why is it that you Aussies are always wrong about what day it is?
Because you live in the past. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6164
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:55:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble.
You're so wrong. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11469
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:56:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble. Implying that being a rule breaker is the only reason to interact with GMs. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
482
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:57:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble.
Just to bring you up to speed on the conversation, some folks would like to know what, exactly, is going to cause trouble.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:57:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble. You're so wrong.
Played for 10 years, never been banned or similar while having pulled many stunts, but (obviously) just in game ones. Apparently I'm doing it right.
As a side note; it's always hilarious (and somehow quite reassuring) it's just gewns and their sock puppets who do the crying. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4970
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:57:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Quote: Oh, I have an old Australian convict proverb for this one as well.
It's a little off topic, so forgive me, but this has been bugging me for a while now.... why is it that you Aussies are always wrong about what day it is?
Oh, that's because we live in the future. It's why we're more progressive than Americans. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6166
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:58:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble. You're so wrong. Played for 10 years, never been banned or similar while having pulled many stunts, but (obviously) just in game ones. Apparently I'm doing it right.
Lucky you, but that's not the only reason people need to deal with GM's, obviously. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4970
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Posted - 2014.09.12 13:59:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble. You're so wrong.
See? Open hostility which, mind you, is often met with little to no retaliation. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Phugoid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
175
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:Just ******* behave like decent human beings. It really is simple as that. So don't scam, deceive, steal, or engage in dishonorable tactics. Simple enough.
Wait, isn't that the opposite of the Goon's moto?
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
482
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:00:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Quote: Oh, I have an old Australian convict proverb for this one as well.
It's a little off topic, so forgive me, but this has been bugging me for a while now.... why is it that you Aussies are always wrong about what day it is? Oh, that's because we live in the future. It's why we're more progressive than Americans.
LOL! Touche`
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11469
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:00:00 -
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I once filed a petition asking if people pulling GM mails from my API constitutes sharing of GM correspondence.
Since I had to ask a GM for a rule clarification was my brain not working? Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6166
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:02:00 -
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Phugoid wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Zen Guerrilla wrote:Just ******* behave like decent human beings. It really is simple as that. So don't scam, deceive, steal, or engage in dishonorable tactics. Simple enough. Wait, isn't that the opposite of the Goon's moto?
Our moto isn't appropriate for posting on these forums. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6166
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:03:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I once filed a petition asking if people pulling GM mails from my API constitutes sharing of GM correspondence.
Since I had to ask a GM for a rule clarification was my brain not working?
Yeah, your brain doesn't work according to guy who has spent 10 years shooting at red crosses. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Gregor Parud
633
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:05:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble. Just to bring you up to speed on the conversation, some folks would like to know what, exactly, is going to cause trouble.
For people who, again, have a working brain the line is very simple; keep it in game. I'm sure you won't need to have this spelled out for you. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11470
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:08:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble. Just to bring you up to speed on the conversation, some folks would like to know what, exactly, is going to cause trouble. For people who, again, have a working brain the line is very simple; keep it in game. I'm sure you won't need to have this spelled out for you. We spelled a few things out for you, but apparently that wasn't enough. I dare not speculate as to how that bodes for your own cognitive state. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4971
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:11:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble. Just to bring you up to speed on the conversation, some folks would like to know what, exactly, is going to cause trouble. For people who, again, have a working brain the line is very simple; keep it in game. I'm sure you won't need to have this spelled out for you.
But it's clearly not that simple, and just flippantly dismissing it with "if you have a working brain it is that simple" as if we don't have a working brain is insulting. It's open hostility. More importantly, it dodges the question as if it's not relevant. It is relevant. More upsetting to me is how Falcon used this insult to dismiss it. I was not surprised to see the carebears parroting it, however, in glee of course.
The fact that out-of-game harassment has occurred with NO action being taken against the transgressors also raise the question of what is and isn't acceptable because apparently, by virtue of not taking any action against them and not even having it in the EULA, doxxing and threatening family members by more personal out-of-game means over in-game matters is perfectly acceptable.
So, no, it doesn't take a working brain to clear this up at all. My brain is perfectly functional thank you and I'll not have some dweeb with angst issues tell me otherwise. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
8721
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:11:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Played for 10 years, never been banned or similar while having pulled many stunts, but (obviously) just in game ones. Apparently I'm doing it right.
As a side note; it's always hilarious (and somehow quite reassuring) it's just gewns and their sock puppets who do the crying. Ever been stuck in a mission, needed reimbursement from a server issue on CCPs end. Ever needed a rules clarification, wanted to petition an exploit or maybe even noticed a bug in the client?
There are a lot of reasons to interact with GMs that dont require you to be a ****. It would be a pretty boring existence for the GMs if they only dealt with banning players. For each petition against a player, there's also the player thst raised the petition. So its virtually impossible for more than 50% of the people dealing with GMs to be because they are under investigation. The flip side of that is also pretty clear.
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Gregor Parud
633
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble. Just to bring you up to speed on the conversation, some folks would like to know what, exactly, is going to cause trouble. For people who, again, have a working brain the line is very simple; keep it in game. I'm sure you won't need to have this spelled out for you. We spelled a few things out for you, but apparently that wasn't enough. I dare not speculate as to how that bodes for your own cognitive state.
You mean hearsay, threadnaught crying and obviously biased comments about how a certain person "did nothing wrong"? |
Gregor Parud
633
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:14:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Played for 10 years, never been banned or similar while having pulled many stunts, but (obviously) just in game ones. Apparently I'm doing it right.
As a side note; it's always hilarious (and somehow quite reassuring) it's just gewns and their sock puppets who do the crying. Ever been stuck in a mission, needed reimbursement from a server issue on CCPs end. Ever needed a rules clarification, wanted to petition an exploit or maybe even noticed a bug in the client? There are a lot of reasons to interact with GMs that dont require you to be a ****. It would be a pretty boring existence for the GMs if they only dealt with banning players. For each petition against a player, there's also the player thst raised the petition. So its virtually impossible for more than 50% of the people dealing with GMs to be because they are under investigation. The flip side of that is also pretty clear.
I have dealt with GMs quite a bit, at times even on a daily basis. Sometimes to report a problem, sometimes to explain an issue which ended in nothing bad happening to me or my account. But never because I crossed a line any sane person would not cross. |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
482
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:17:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble. Just to bring you up to speed on the conversation, some folks would like to know what, exactly, is going to cause trouble. For people who, again, have a working brain the line is very simple; keep it in game. I'm sure you won't need to have this spelled out for you.
So, the rule is that CCP has juris diction in my home, on my TS server, etc? By playing the game we are consenting for our personal lives and property outside the game to be under CCP's discretion? I find that horribly spooky.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Gregor Parud
633
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:22:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Andski wrote:says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs It's funny how you won't have to deal with GMs if you have a working brain and simply understand what is or isn't going to cause trouble. Just to bring you up to speed on the conversation, some folks would like to know what, exactly, is going to cause trouble. For people who, again, have a working brain the line is very simple; keep it in game. I'm sure you won't need to have this spelled out for you. So, the rule is that CCP has juris diction in my home, on my TS server, etc? By playing the game we are consenting for our personal lives and property outside the game to be under CCP's discretion? I find that horribly spooky.
I see that you're trying very hard, which is always entertaining. And the answer is no, they don't nor do they have to. If the rule is "don't be a **** or we'll kick you off the bus" and they see you being a **** just outside the bus they're perfectly within their right to say "stay out of my bus, I don't want your money".
Really not difficult to comprehend. But keep threadnaughting and e-lawyering because it's entertaining as hell. |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.09.12 14:23:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I once filed a petition asking if people pulling GM mails from my API constitutes sharing of GM correspondence.
Since I had to ask a GM for a rule clarification was my brain not working? Yeah, your brain doesn't work according to guy who has spent 10 years shooting at red crosses. You see my first time experience with EVE was rather simple. It was just me, a couple other people who I know in real life that got me into this game. Nothing huge, I just figured it was something nice during that strange transitional time between EQ & WoW (I miss one of those guess which one) So I played it, and then realized I loved it. I could do maths, preps the skills. Have all types of fun! So what ended up happening is that we would chill out, just maxing our relaxation; all cool. I'd even shoot some b-ball outside of the school. When a couple of guys who were up to no good, Started making trouble in my neighborhood. I got in one little fight and my mom got scared. She said 'You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air' The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
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