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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /signed
Raven: 8/7/4 Moa: 6/5/3 Eagle: 6/5/4 or 6/6/3
Try instead: Kestrel > Caracal > Raven
The Eagle is void in Tech I discussions and the Moa is in the Merlin > Cormorant > Moa > Ferox > Rokh line.
Mentioning that progression right there gets me really horny for the missile based battlecruiser (the booby hopefully).
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire /signed
Raven: 8/7/4 Moa: 6/5/3 Eagle: 6/5/4 or 6/6/3
Try instead: Kestrel > Caracal > Raven
The Eagle is void in Tech I discussions and the Moa is in the Merlin > Cormorant > Moa > Ferox > Rokh line.
Kestrel's mids > lows. Caracal's mids > lows. Blackbird's mids > lows. Osprey's mids > lows.
Caldari should be mids > lows. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Thecle Vifargent Lol, everybody whine about raven pwn everything and you ask one more med slot
That's the Domi. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Thecle Vifargent
GandY Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:22:00 -
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Lol, everybody whine about raven pwn everything and you ask one more med slot ______________________________________________________
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Eximius Josari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Thecle Vifargent Lol, everybody whine about raven pwn everything and you ask one more med slot
That's the Domi.
There is a Raven pilot in my corp that will kill anyone 1v1.
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:27:00 -
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Ravens themselves are not overpowered for PvP (although some of the t2 ammo is. Tell me someone that doesn't apply to though). Giving it a 7th mid would overpower it totally
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing Ravens themselves are not overpowered for PvP (although some of the t2 ammo is. Tell me someone that doesn't apply to though). Giving it a 7th mid would overpower it totally
Like some arguments about you need web to hit with autocannons. You also need web to torpedo nicely. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Eximius Josari
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Thecle Vifargent Lol, everybody whine about raven pwn everything and you ask one more med slot
That's the Domi.
There is a Raven pilot in my corp that will kill anyone 1v1.
You guys do most of your fighting in Jita? While I mean no offense, the majority of my corp mates are extremely good pvp'ers, and the only fight i can think of where we used a raven that won was when my ceo had his half OFFICER/Faction fitted CNR. So I might contact you in game about putting your money where your mouth is.
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: HippoKing Ravens themselves are not overpowered for PvP (although some of the t2 ammo is. Tell me someone that doesn't apply to though). Giving it a 7th mid would overpower it totally
Like some arguments about you need web to hit with autocannons. You also need web to torpedo nicely.
haha and dual target painters. t2 ammo shoudlnt have anything to do with any ship balancing, because hopefully tux will come to his senses and nerf the crap out of it at some point. they talked about how they wnated to bring combat closer, and then they say here, shoot from 250 with megas and rokhs for great damage!
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: HippoKing Ravens themselves are not overpowered for PvP (although some of the t2 ammo is. Tell me someone that doesn't apply to though). Giving it a 7th mid would overpower it totally
So then you agree that the Maelstrom doesnt need one either hippo?
Unless you plan on fitting a microwarp and web on your raven (which also makes the injector a neccessity, unlike the choice it is on a raven), you need less mids than the maelstrom.
Just fit stabs in your lowslots and win eve
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xeom
Obsidian Sins
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:33:00 -
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Really guys when was the last time you say a raven being used for pvping besides pvp?
Rarely,and that says a lot considering caldarie are the most played race.Unless you are gate camping its pretty much to much of a hassel and you could just use another ship. People have to get over the old days already.Missles are now more balanced,the raven really isn't the solo pwn mobile everyone thinks it is.
Hell when was the last time you had a roaming gang with a raven? With a TANK,they are almost useless out of PVE and gatecamps.Trust me after roaming around with a raven for a while you will be quite ****ed as he has to always slow boat it to the gate at 140 m/s.They are nice support ships and thats about it.
Get over it people.
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: HippoKing Ravens themselves are not overpowered for PvP (although some of the t2 ammo is. Tell me someone that doesn't apply to though). Giving it a 7th mid would overpower it totally
Like some arguments about you need web to hit with autocannons. You also need web to torpedo nicely.
Not on battleships. Anyway, how often do you fly raven in web range? How do you GET in web range for a start
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: xeom Really guys when was the last time you say a raven being used for pvping besides pvp?
Rarely,and that says a lot considering caldarie are the most played race.Unless you are gate camping its pretty much to much of a hassel and you could just use another ship. People have to get over the old days already.Missles are now more balanced,the raven really isn't the solo pwn mobile everyone thinks it is.
Hell when was the last time you had a roaming gang with a raven? With a TANK,they are almost useless out of PVE and gatecamps.Trust me after roaming around with a raven for a while you will be quite ****ed as he has to always slow boat it to the gate at 140 m/s.They are nice support ships and thats about it.
Get over it people.
Thank you.
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Ishmael Hansen
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:37:00 -
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I rather have 1 more low to fit a cpu and be able to have a tech 2 shield tank, but that would make it overpowered.
I would love that CCP FIXED THE NIGHTHAWK instead.
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: HippoKing Ravens themselves are not overpowered for PvP (although some of the t2 ammo is. Tell me someone that doesn't apply to though). Giving it a 7th mid would overpower it totally
Like some arguments about you need web to hit with autocannons. You also need web to torpedo nicely.
Not on battleships. Anyway, how often do you fly raven in web range? How do you GET in web range for a start
You said the microwarp drive is an option on the raven. hahaha riiiight. Thats what needs to be changed. What raven setup are you going to use in pvp? THey are all the same, and they are rarely used! The only reason they are used is not because they are good, but because there are people who train missiles all the way up, get to the battleship level and what choices do they have? The raven. Going back and training up for large guns is silly. They like missiles, thats why they picked them.
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ishmael Hansen I rather have 1 more low to fit a cpu and be able to have a tech 2 shield tank, but that would make it overpowered.
I would love that CCP FIXED THE NIGHTHAWK instead.
hahaha qft. Honestly though tux is a good guy, and this forum has to be hell for him right now. have fun with it tuxy!
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Aversin
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Aversin
Originally by: xeom Edited by: xeom on 26/07/2006 18:05:54 Add a 7th slot to the Raven would make it more overpowered.
Acctualy DT now that i think about it.It probably wouldnt matter sence you still wouldn't be able to mount a MWD which it needs to be used in any type of roaming op.
Minmatar tier 3 needs 7 mid slots, because well its tier 3 it should be better at what it's specialized at, does the raven have a bonus to shield tanking? Is the raven a tier 3 ship? Did you see that t1 raven in the tourney it was insane.
Tournament is NOTHING like pvp.
tourney aside what do you say about the rest of my post? Obviously a specialized ship should have more slots than one that isn't. Otherwise I demand the same mid slots as a raven on my geddon. Why is it fair that the raven gets 6 mids and not the geddon?
Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Aversin Why is it fair that the raven gets 6 mids and not the geddon?
uhhh, because the geddon doesnt need to fit a shield tank?
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:41:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: HippoKing Ravens themselves are not overpowered for PvP (although some of the t2 ammo is. Tell me someone that doesn't apply to though). Giving it a 7th mid would overpower it totally
Like some arguments about you need web to hit with autocannons. You also need web to torpedo nicely.
Not on battleships. Anyway, how often do you fly raven in web range? How do you GET in web range for a start
You said the microwarp drive is an option on the raven. hahaha riiiight. Thats what needs to be changed. What raven setup are you going to use in pvp? THey are all the same, and they are rarely used! The only reason they are used is not because they are good, but because there are people who train missiles all the way up, get to the battleship level and what choices do they have? The raven. Going back and training up for large guns is silly. They like missiles, thats why they picked them.
Well, I have no clue about you and yours, but MY raven would be overpowered with 7 mids
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Aversin
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Aversin Why is it fair that the raven gets 6 mids and not the geddon?
uhhh, because the geddon doesnt need to fit a shield tank?
Does the raven? Where does it get a bonus to shield tanking? Tempest only has 6 low slots, does it deserve 7?
Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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arbitrary
Bad luck Clover Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing Minmatar needs 7 mids because it is a specialised tank, but it also needs a web and MWD, which a raven never fits.
Some food for thought, as we are seeing fairly many 7-8 low slot ships, while 6 mids are alot of mids, with the scorpion shining at us with 8; what would it take to balance mids vs. low? making those with lots of lows ganks/armor-tanks/support(cap tranfer etc), those with mids shield tank/ewar.
So the two extrems would be: A shield tank would have either a good rack of utilities or the bare minimum and a tank, while the low slot ship can gank well or tank well, always with enough mid slots for the minimum amount of utilities.
Then we would have ships with an more equal spread of slots to the jack of all trades. The raven is a good example now on a even trade, but needs in turn few mids to funcion as damage dealer as is; but if use of target painters/webs where added as a must to ravens for them to preserve their damage in a mixed battle, so that it would equal that in needed utlity slots for a turret ship (yet diffrent of course, diversity should not all be lost); the raven would then need more mids to preserve a shield tank, unless they turn armor tank.
For me the most intresting question is if we would want that balance at all, most of EVE is built upon diveristy, and a complex rock, paper and scissor approach and equality between all ships should not be sought in my good old book.
I don't see swapping a low for a mid in the case of the raven to impossible to balance; not that it would be balanced now, but thats not really the point - why would we not want it opposed to why would we want it? (besides the practical question of time, the QA team seems overworked as is).
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Vanlade
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:45:00 -
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nah what we need is for vanlade to receive a BPO for a named raven with a 8/8/8 slots layout, 8 launchers hardpoint, a bonus to all missiles explosion radius and velocity alike on a manticore, immunity to all forms of EW and of course 95% resistance to all shield, armor and structure resistance.
Also change the rate of fire bonus from 5% per level to 20% per level.
Deliver it in Jita and while your at it make a monument of my grandeur.
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ParMizaN
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:45:00 -
[53]
uhhh..
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:45:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Aversin
Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Aversin Why is it fair that the raven gets 6 mids and not the geddon?
uhhh, because the geddon doesnt need to fit a shield tank?
Does the raven? Where does it get a bonus to shield tanking? Tempest only has 6 low slots, does it deserve 7?
Are we playing the same game?
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Panta Rei
Millennium E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:46:00 -
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The people who didn't get the joke needs to grow a sense of humor
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Aversin
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Aversin
Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Aversin Why is it fair that the raven gets 6 mids and not the geddon?
uhhh, because the geddon doesnt need to fit a shield tank?
Does the raven? Where does it get a bonus to shield tanking? Tempest only has 6 low slots, does it deserve 7?
Are we playing the same game?
Yes and afaik the raven has NEVER recieved a shield tanking bonus.
Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Eximius Josari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:49:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Eximius Josari
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Thecle Vifargent Lol, everybody whine about raven pwn everything and you ask one more med slot
That's the Domi.
There is a Raven pilot in my corp that will kill anyone 1v1.
You guys do most of your fighting in Jita? While I mean no offense, the majority of my corp mates are extremely good pvp'ers, and the only fight i can think of where we used a raven that won was when my ceo had his half OFFICER/Faction fitted CNR. So I might contact you in game about putting your money where your mouth is.
Absolutely.
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Apertotes
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:50:00 -
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repeat with me:
THE RAVEN IS NOT A TANKING SHIP THE RAVEN IS NOT A TANKING SHIP THE RAVEN IS NOT A TANKING SHIP THE RAVEN IS NOT A TANKING SHIP THE RAVEN IS NOT A TANKING SHIP THE RAVEN IS NOT A TANKING SHIP . . . .
it has more than enough with 6 mid slots
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Aversin
Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Aversin Why is it fair that the raven gets 6 mids and not the geddon?
uhhh, because the geddon doesnt need to fit a shield tank?
Does the raven? Where does it get a bonus to shield tanking? Tempest only has 6 low slots, does it deserve 7?
Sacrifice one low and gain one mid for tempest if you really want to shield tank. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: HippoKing Ravens themselves are not overpowered for PvP (although some of the t2 ammo is. Tell me someone that doesn't apply to though). Giving it a 7th mid would overpower it totally
Like some arguments about you need web to hit with autocannons. You also need web to torpedo nicely.
Not on battleships. Anyway, how often do you fly raven in web range? How do you GET in web range for a start
Lucky/unlucky that everyone likes to come up close to me. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
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