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David Coverdale
Hysterical Hyena Hydrogen Hybrid Hypothesis
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Posted - 2014.08.25 19:35:00 -
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At present moment, there remains only 1 system controlled by Caldari in faction warfare (Ladistier). Even the most devoted low-sec Caldari pvp'ers could not protect their home systems from the Gal invasion, but there doesn't seem to be any forum activity regarding this fact. Did I miss something? |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
405
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Posted - 2014.08.25 19:40:00 -
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Yes. We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..." |
Quentin Marshall
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Posted - 2014.08.25 19:49:00 -
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I don't understand how Caldari didn't take at least a couple systems back to prevent 100% warzone dominance. They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
405
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Posted - 2014.08.25 19:53:00 -
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Quentin Marshall wrote:I don't understand how Caldari didn't take at least a couple systems back to prevent 100% warzone dominance. They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll. You assume there's somewhere we can't reach, or that we wouldn't move to counter them as soon as we noticed. Remember, even if you're going for a headshot, it takes about 2 days of plexing unopposed to flip a system. We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..." |
Samwise Everquest
Because ISK
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Posted - 2014.08.25 20:03:00 -
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A lot of former Cal Mil are in Gal Mil now so I guess they are winning. |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
370
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Posted - 2014.08.25 20:21:00 -
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the tear posts on this subject by calmil noobs. Probably some people on the calmil side figuring out what they are doing wrong and not posting.
Anyway, the best fixes can come from CCP. The best we can hope is that CCP disconnects the lp from higher tier system they've set up, and no one ever again takes the entire warzone. Better to have continual push pull than wild swings progressing to an inevitable down and out. CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, please give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals. |
Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
57
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Posted - 2014.08.25 20:28:00 -
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Quentin Marshall wrote:I don't understand how Caldari didn't take at least a couple systems back to prevent 100% warzone dominance. They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll. Quite simple. The swarm of gal alts dplexing is far greater than caldari members combined. |
Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
125
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Posted - 2014.08.25 20:29:00 -
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Pushing Calmil out will mean that us in GalMil will be free for the true objective.... claiming Nullsec systems FOR THE FEDERATION! |
Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2014.08.25 21:03:00 -
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Quentin wrote: They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll. No one can be bothered to babysit a system 18 hours per day and make sure they don't deplex everything you just plexed.
Structure bashing was probably the most fun thing Gallente did in the last month, so them talking about our "tears on this subject" posts is amusing. Tryhards.
inb4 QQ more. |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
370
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Posted - 2014.08.25 21:27:00 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Quentin wrote: They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll. No one can be bothered to babysit a system 18 hours per day and make sure they don't deplex everything you just plexed. Structure bashing was probably the most fun thing Gallente did in the last month, so them talking about our "tears on this subject" posts is amusing. Tryhards. inb4 QQ more. See, this is what I'm talking about. What is this I don't even. Maybe if you figured out how to fight and hold your home systems you wouldn't be in this situation.
We did, and we withstood your hordes of farmer alts (which btw you've always had more of until the last month or so) and siege attempts on our base systems . Anyway, view this as a favor for both of us. Maybe CCP will realize that increasingly rewarding the faction with the upperhand, through consistently increasing lp with each tier, is the dumbest way to run a perpetual war.
There should be built in emergency braking as the steep downhill looms closer. Plenty of rp and backstory rationales could be used to explain it. Planetary rebellions in conquered territories accumulate strength over time, or supply lines and war funds become stretched as the complete victory comes closer. Whatever. This situation can be fixed by CCP. Whether you lot will realize what you are doing wrong and actually fix it who knows.
And, btw, it's been a blast of pvp. Only not with calmil. Which is the true tragedy of the situation. CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, please give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals. |
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Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2014.08.25 21:47:00 -
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I don't see what you are talking about. We did figure it out - sorry we don't have an advantageous time-zone spread and an abundance of time to compete over the little bar in the top left corner. How many farmers have actually been relevant ever since the plex changes? I mean people joining Caldari to plex farm are the same people who have a hanger in Jita and constantly ask if Tama is clear. Those are typically new people who join to "try out PvP and earn some cash on the side" but end up flying some borke risk averse fit that doesn't really farm plexs well and all it does is warp out as soon as they hear the engagement beep.
Caldari farmers are extinct, not Squids. Same squids that were playing are the same ones logging on now. And there aren't/weren't as many as you keep repeating we have. It's flattering even. |
Aves Enderas
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:36:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:Arla Sarain wrote:Quentin wrote: They can easily plex back systems far beyond the reach of where Gallente base out of. This would've been a good troll. No one can be bothered to babysit a system 18 hours per day and make sure they don't deplex everything you just plexed. Structure bashing was probably the most fun thing Gallente did in the last month, so them talking about our "tears on this subject" posts is amusing. Tryhards. inb4 QQ more. See, this is what I'm talking about. What is this I don't even. Maybe if you figured out how to fight and hold your home systems you wouldn't be in this situation. We did, and we withstood your hordes of farmer alts (which btw you've always had more of until the last month or so) and siege attempts on our base systems . Anyway, view this as a favor for both of us. Maybe CCP will realize that increasingly rewarding the faction with the upperhand, through consistently increasing lp with each tier, is the dumbest way to run a perpetual war. There should be built in emergency braking as the steep downhill looms closer. Plenty of rp and backstory rationales could be used to explain it. Planetary rebellions in conquered territories accumulate strength over time, or supply lines and war funds become stretched as the complete victory comes closer. Whatever. This situation can be fixed by CCP. Whether you lot will realize what you are doing wrong and actually fix it who knows. And, btw, it's been a blast of pvp. Only not with calmil. Which is the true tragedy of the situation.
Or, you know, those of us in Gal Mil could just stop constantly pushing Cal Mil out of every home they try and make and thus causing all the problems you claim CCP should be responsible for. But why take ownership when you can blame someone else \o/ |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
370
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:58:00 -
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Arla Sarain wrote: I don't see what you are talking about. We did figure it out - sorry we don't have an advantageous time-zone spread and an abundance of time to compete over the little bar in the top left corner. How many farmers have actually been relevant ever since the plex changes? I mean people joining Caldari to plex farm are the same people who have a hanger in Jita and constantly ask if Tama is clear. Those are typically new people who join to "try out PvP and earn some cash on the side" but end up flying some borke risk averse fit that doesn't really farm plexs well and all it does is warp out as soon as they hear the engagement beep.
Caldari farmers are extinct, not Squids. Same squids that were playing are the same ones logging on now. And there aren't/weren't as many as you keep repeating we have. It's flattering even. TZ differential has nothing to do with it. With 6000 to 9000 toons in your militia you've had plenty of numerical tz coverage. It is the quality of that TZ coverage that has been your downfall. But then you appear to already know that, since you mention the Jita centric pve types and the constant "is the Tama gate clear?" crowd. I pity you for having to deal with those types. We have them too, but probably not in the numbers you do.
Yeah, I see some of you same guys out there fighting. I'm happy you're still there. I even miss the Happy Endings guys. It was fun to fight Calmil and not the pirate entities. However, you are still missing something collectively that has led you to this unpleasant position again. It's been said in many threads but you keep not fixing it, and I'm not going to blurt it out for you again.
CCP needs to implement some fixes to the lp farming portions of the equation. But you guys need to realize what you are doing wrong strategically as well.
Maybe we will have a better system, and more enjoyable fights in the future. That is what we all hope for. Until then sorry to put you into highsec. But it is the stated goal of this portion of the game. SO we have to pursue it to the end. CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, please give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals. |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
370
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:00:00 -
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Aves Enderas wrote: Or, you know, those of us in Gal Mil could just stop constantly pushing Cal Mil out of every home they try and make and thus causing all the problems you claim CCP should be responsible for. But why take ownership when you can blame someone else \o/ I'd rather have a game opponent that eventually learns through tough knocks to the point where they actually become a real challenge to beat, than one I can just keep boringly beating up on so much that I play other games all the time. vOv CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, please give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals. |
Combatevolved
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:15:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:Aves Enderas wrote: Or, you know, those of us in Gal Mil could just stop constantly pushing Cal Mil out of every home they try and make and thus causing all the problems you claim CCP should be responsible for. But why take ownership when you can blame someone else \o/ I'd rather have a game opponent that eventually learns through tough knocks to the point where they actually become a real challenge to beat, than one I can just keep boringly beating up on so much that I play other games all the time. vOv
Start enjoying playing other games for a whole 6-12 months. |
Arla Sarain
68
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:35:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:With 6000 to 9000 toons These numbers are useless.
You have slightly less as far as statistics are concerned, but where the fudge are they? They are ghost alts. You shouldn't even use militia chat numbers as a metric. They are people that never commit, never get involved, and are largely irrelevant.
The blunt reality is, you have about 60 people playing consistently, a recent boom in activity. We have about 40 people playing spread pretty thin. Sometimes we manage to get 60 and go do a fight or two with you if everyone is feeling like messing around 14j out with plenty other nuances.
The End. |
Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
196
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Posted - 2014.08.26 00:26:00 -
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Are squids complaining of plexing alts?
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
FW is dead regardless...broken mechanics that encourage kicking the other side out of lo-sec. Absolutely brilliant!!!!! |
sytaqe violacea
Theory of Mind
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Posted - 2014.08.26 02:37:00 -
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Recently, I persuaded my friends to return to Calmil after they got tired being pirate for 3 months. And now, they has trouble re-deploying. Where did Calmil move to after losing their home system? |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2014.08.26 03:01:00 -
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We're taking Ichoriya next. |
Yuri Antollare
Justified Chaos
85
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Posted - 2014.08.26 03:09:00 -
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sytaqe violacea wrote:Recently, I persuaded my friends to return to Calmil after they got tired being pirate for 3 months. And now, they has trouble re-deploying. Where did Calmil move to after losing their home system?
Rumors abound as to some variant of hi-sec or non-FW lowsec. You would have thought that once they lost Kinakka, those squids would have just collapsed back to the next home system and so forth and so forth. For some reason though when the going gets tough over there they prefer to just drop FW or move to hi-sec.
There were at least two of the sieges that would have been swung/lasted too long for us if the squids had engaged in even some basic moves helping each other out.
It is what it is though, they'd prefer to give up and talk about the farming alts that took Kinakka, or the Gall deplexing alt that killed all the Diesel corp squids pushing up the backwater systems threatening the WZ push. |
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
731
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Posted - 2014.08.26 03:33:00 -
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I'm going to say some stuff that will probably make some of my militia pilots and corpmates irate, but it needs to be said.
There is simply no need to continue beating up on an opponent that is not as coordinated and experienced as we are. Everyone around here already knows that Gallente is superior in virtually every facet of FW. We are overachievers, in fact.
I'm just coming back into the game. I no longer have the sort of time that I used to have for this game. When I log on, I just want to create fun content or be a part of it. Logging on and seeing 30-50 pilots plexing a system with no competition. Moaning on comms about why the enemy hasn't shown up. That's not fun. Being a cog in the machine. Trying to get a word in with 5 other people talking over each other. Not fun. Being in a large group where I can't get to know my fellow gamers. Where I can't teach and/or learn from my fellow pilots. Sucks.
The ethos of FW was always about a place where you can have an impact. Where you're not just a number. Where multiple groups of pilots can have an impact. A place where our personal actions truly matter and will have a ripple effect throughout the warzone.
Man. Things have truly changed over the last two years I've been here. Nowadays, people are more interested in trying to get 500 kills a month rather than find meaning and impact in some of their battles.
We blame CCP for the current mechanics without taking any responsibility. We grief the competition and constantly kick them out of their space because we can. We tell them that it's not our fault we're highly organized and that they need to step up their game. But to accept personal responsibility for the current ecosystem we've created. Never.
An interesting narrative that we tell and convince ourself of nowadays.
This narrative sounds familiar to another large group of pilots in another region of space.... High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve . |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2466
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Posted - 2014.08.26 04:19:00 -
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Yeah it sucks when players band together to accomplish a common goal.
I can't believe we've destroyed FW after a two week offensive. Well done! |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
240
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Posted - 2014.08.26 04:37:00 -
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While I agree with your first points about why I joined the warzone/FW/Eve ( I really hate 20+ fights) and probably one of the main reasons I haven't been playing much at all (other than PvE'ing) since the Huola campaign, I disagree with putting blame on ourselves.
Why would we even try to blame ourselves for being the best/doing the best we can? What I liked about FW was the ability for 100 man fights and the 5 man fights. They both have their uses, and both are important. (the 5 man fights much less useful now with the huge difference between oplexing+deplexing)
I have my own thoughts on the subject seeing as GalMil was part of a pretty long and hard time period at Tier 1 vs Tier 3/4 against TEST and other CalMil groups. There was a significant risk of losing Eha at the time and better men than me went ABCD to defend it against all odds. We've been at T4/CalMil at T1 for maybe a month and they've already failscaded? We were even facing the swarms of deplexing AND oplexing alts back then. All these excuses I'm hearing about deplexing alts or similar are ones that we had to face before. Maybe this will be CalMils forge.
The issue at hand is not how Caldari militia got where they are today. It's how they will act in the future.
(pro hint: start fighting outnumbered and stop bringing griffins) |
CheesusCrust
HildCo Interplanetar Villore Accords
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Posted - 2014.08.26 04:37:00 -
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The death of the stabbed cloaky frigate farmer/bot has sadly crippled Caldari Militia plexing percentages. Let's see if CVA steps up after the AT. |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
213
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Posted - 2014.08.26 04:47:00 -
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Interesting point cheesus ;)
And just to add my 0.02 ISK... I don't think it's improper to push an advantage to 100% warzone control. Factional Warfare is the most lucrative PVP-oriented activity in the history of Eve Online, besides perhaps wormhole space, and is vastly more accessible in terms of skillpoints.
The failure of the Caldari Militia to provide any meaningful resistance is the direct result of successive generations of inept leadership and egotistical fleet commanders, who believed that they could win the war effort on their own without coordinating with fellow Caldari membership.
By purging the warzone, we give a chance for new leadership and new personnel to step up to the challenge. We gladly accept any new comers to the facwar zone, friend or foe, and we will be happy to share with you our ample supply of antimatter charges ;) Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/ |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
154
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Posted - 2014.08.26 05:20:00 -
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When Test left the Caldari millita were left with a few all star linked and high implanted pilots who fought back quite valiantly, but in the end it was all hands on deck and meat shield ahoy, battles are won by soldiers and wars are won by exceptional and talented individuals, and while numbers dont win you the war they sure do help. Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
214
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Posted - 2014.08.26 05:50:00 -
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And with that, we have just liberated the Ladistier system. The Presidential station shall return back under Federation control.
Well done, people. Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/ |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
300
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Posted - 2014.08.26 06:15:00 -
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Deen,
Now that we have our victory we welcome the Caldari to come back and take everything that isn't a home system, and we invite them to try and take those.
How long it takes some enterprising Caldari groups to counter attack remains to be seen. Thankfully we still have PL, BL, Snuff, Stay Frosty, etc. to do battle with.
For now I'm happy to kick back and enjoy till Friday, - Than BLFOX is currently recruiting |
Epikurus
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
33
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Posted - 2014.08.26 08:58:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote: TZ differential has nothing to do with it. With 6000 to 9000 toons in your militia you've had plenty of numerical tz coverage.
My sides.
That aside though, grats on the clean sweep!
Edit - Should just add that I don't really understand the criticisms being aimed at the Gal offensive from their own side. It's true that if you want a certain ecosystem then you have to take certain ecological measures but really it is CCP's job to play gamekeeper, not the pilots in FW. It would be odd indeed if one side didn't aim for a territorial victory when they had the chance. I'm just surprised it didn't come sooner. |
Cirrila
SQUIDS.
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Posted - 2014.08.26 09:09:00 -
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Why are people allowed to switch sides according to who is actually winning ? I would personaly never switch side because it seems unrealistic and lame to me. It is like jumping between axis and allies or horde and alliance to me. I dont give a crap if we are loosing or winning once I join one side i stay. Or are pilots just mercenaries ? |
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