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cyboman
Mafia Italiana
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:47:00 -
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Killing haulers and non combat ships is weak and should not even be considered PVP. I would not boast or even post kills. Is it not like eating the ear off of the chocolate easter bunny, only to find out it is hollow?
As a Vet, I don't give a crap about the isk loss. I am very concerned however with those that "PVP" (if that is what you call it) and the empty feelings they have when they really didn't accomplish anything.
I am considering forming a support group and/or a foundation for those that choose this lifestyle. Post your support, send funds, discuss or maybe even send funds to your killer.
Cyboman 07
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Moglarr
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
4
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:58:00 -
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If I am lucky enough to catch a Gallente hauler moving a load from one staging area to another then with one fight I can have potentially destroy a dozen or more enemy ships. If I nab him on his way to or from a trade hub hopefully I dented the income of one of my enemies, or made their war effort more difficult. |
Subsparx
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
26
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:06:00 -
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I feel like somebody lost a hauler in low sec and is upset about it. As a fellow vet, I feel that these losses serve an important purpose. If you are running a hauler around in low sec, don't jump blindly about without scouting ahead. People who lose Charons and such in low sec have a tendency to learn from their loss and not take courier contracts and such that go in to low without a Jump Freighter from that point forward. CEO of Crimson Serpent Syndicate --áwww.crimsonserpent.com Chairman of Heiian Conglomerate --áwww.heiian.com Owner of FWC - www.factionwarfare.com |
George Gouillot
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
28
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:21:00 -
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-> Trucking Tycoon
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4074
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:29:00 -
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Is there a player In it when it explodes.....if the answer is anything other than no then its pvp. =][= |
Paranoid Loyd
1496
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:33:00 -
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cyboman wrote:I am very concerned however with those that "PVP" (if that is what you call it) and the empty feelings they have when they really didn't accomplish anything.
My 100bil+ in loot collected in less than a year says you don't know what you are talking about. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Aiofe
C5 Flight The Serenity Initiative
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:58:00 -
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I don't think he ment it wasn't a viable tactic, of course it is. But it is not pvp in the sense that it's any kind of battle where both sides shoot at each other. I would only brag about the loot I got not the kill itself. |
Paranoid Loyd
1496
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:12:00 -
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I was addressing his comment about not accomplishing anything.
I do not address comments trying to argue that one player interacting with another player is not PVP. Because that is the very definition of it.
If we are talking about honorable PVP in EVE, then all I have to say is, LOL.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
746
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:13:00 -
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You mad bro? nom nom
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cyboman
Mafia Italiana
9
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:12:00 -
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Not mad at all.... glad to hear that some are getting something out of it.
Just sad when all someone gets is a killmail and 3 epanded cargo II. It really makes me want to send him a little isk. Poor little buddy. |
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Ginger Barbarella
2003
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:49:00 -
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cyboman wrote:Killing haulers and non combat ships is weak and should not even be considered PVP. I would not boast or even post kills. Is it not like eating the ear off of the chocolate easter bunny, only to find out it is hollow?
As a Vet, I don't give a crap about the isk loss. I am very concerned however with those that "PVP" (if that is what you call it) and the empty feelings they have when they really didn't accomplish anything.
I am considering forming a support group and/or a foundation for those that choose this lifestyle. Post your support, send funds, discuss or maybe even send funds to your killer.
Cyboman 07
You *clearly* don't have a clue what 'leet peeveepee is, scrub...
< / sarcasm > "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1863
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:27:00 -
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Your Corp name is redundant. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
40
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Posted - 2014.08.21 05:59:00 -
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cyboman wrote:Killing haulers and non combat ships is weak and should not even be considered PVP. I would not boast or even post kills. Is it not like eating the ear off of the chocolate easter bunny, only to find out it is hollow?
As a Vet, I don't give a crap about the isk loss. I am very concerned however with those that "PVP" (if that is what you call it) and the empty feelings they have when they really didn't accomplish anything.
I am considering forming a support group and/or a foundation for those that choose this lifestyle. Post your support, send funds, discuss or maybe even send funds to your killer.
Cyboman 07
Cyboman, I know its hard once you've been punished not to feel bitter initially but if you stick to The Law you'll find yourself a happier, safer, and code-compliant capsuleer!
Together we can make Highsec a better place! The Law of Highsec Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, live it! |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising The Bastion
1392
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Posted - 2014.08.22 00:36:00 -
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I suppose if you artificially restrict the definition of PvP to something akin to GÇÿcombat between evenly matched, mutually consenting, adults wearing condomsGÇÖ then the premise that being hauler-ganked is not PvP might have some credence. There is, however, a significant portion of the eve population, myself included, that do not view PvP is such a narrow context.
Your approach to the term GÇÿPvPGÇÖ appears to be more akin to what some irreverent souls refer to as the gudfites mentality, and you are also not alone in that approach. There are corps, alliances, and coalitions in eve that are highly gudfites driven.
IMHO hauler-ganking *is* PvP. It may not have a lot of GÇÿhonorableGÇÖ or gufites connotations, but it is PvP.
p.s. I did not feel this way when I suffered a 4b isk hauler-gank loss, early in my eve-career, after rationalising that it was GÇ£only three jumpsGÇ¥ as I hauled some w-space takings out to empire.
I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
1
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Posted - 2014.08.22 13:48:00 -
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cyboman wrote:Not mad at all.... glad to hear that some are getting something out of it.
Just sad when all someone gets is a killmail and 3 epanded cargo II. It really makes me want to send him a little isk. Poor little buddy.
When a hauler is fitted with expanded cargoholds II only he shouldn't complain about getting ganked. In fact it support the risk/reward comparison. Neglect defense and you run a higher risk of getting ganked while having the reward of a larger cargo bay. Working as intended in my opinion. |
Nick Starkey
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
73
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Posted - 2014.08.22 14:58:00 -
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In this game, there are 2 sides to a killmail, circunstances are irrelevant. .. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
145
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:49:00 -
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ok its 2 in the morning, im wired on coffee and im in a philosophic / analytical sort of mood for some reason. Lets get started shall we?
PVP is by its own nature formless and unpredictable. It knows no bounds and sits just beyond sight, swirling in the dark. waiting, watching, remembering for the moment it takes to strike. Its when people attempt to create barriers, seal away parts of the beast that you realize just how impossible the task is. It comes in the form of solo combat, Gang warfare, blobs, ganks, and an infinitesimal number of other forms such as market PVP, manufacturing PVP, PVP for the best asteroids even. To cage it would be to stem the flow of the rain itself, a task so monumental it is impossible to complete.
Even if you sit docked in a station it takes the seat next to you in your quarters, a whisp of cold air on an august night. You see it in competition for offices, for goods in station, for the very LP its agents offer you. Meanwhile the beast swirls about outside the station waiting, watching, remembering. When you undock you take it with you like the clothes on your back or like a disease that swims through the very blood coursing through your veins.
So how is it anyone could deem something so massive, shapeless, and beyond comprehension legitimate or illegitimate? The fact of the matter is WE are the beast so long as any of us draw breath it lives on, growing stronger for a time, and other times slipping into silence letting the music play in the background. And if we are the beast does that not make US illegitimate or legitimate in our own right? All of us whether alone or together have a right to be, and so the beast is our passenger, our guide. It shepherds us through danger or evil; or sometimes delivers us to it. as in many depictions of the divine it takes with one hand and gives with the other.
So fight it, seek to eradicate it or sanctify yourself from it for it makes no difference. The beast lives inside of you as much as it does me if not more, and inside of everyone you meet. But know that to fight it or to cage it is to fight all of us and yourself at once, a universe allied against you in service of a cause. you may gather strength in numbers, you may seek comfort in companionship but it comes for you none the less. A tide as unstoppable as the wind in the trees or the howling storm at sea.
The Beast is you. The beast is me. The beast is here. The Beast is Eve.
Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1508
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Posted - 2014.08.23 13:46:00 -
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Subsparx wrote:I feel like somebody lost a hauler in low sec.
2, + pods each time. Epic Space Cat |
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
4
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Posted - 2014.08.23 14:02:00 -
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Subsparx wrote:I feel like somebody lost a hauler in low sec and is upset about it. As a fellow vet, I feel that these losses serve an important purpose. If you are running a hauler around in low sec, don't jump blindly about without scouting ahead. People who lose Charons and such in low sec have a tendency to learn from their loss and not take courier contracts and such that go in to low without a Jump Freighter from that point forward.
I second this notion. Without nonconsentual PvP, PvE players would eventually fall into the delusion that they are playing a safe game free from threat. They would grow to believe they could fly ships, even ridiculously risky industrials/haulers, without escort or intel into whatever space they wished, free of repercussions.
Now, I don't PvP (I am just a delivery man) but I respect those who do. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
636
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Posted - 2014.08.23 15:43:00 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:Subsparx wrote:I feel like somebody lost a hauler in low sec and is upset about it. As a fellow vet, I feel that these losses serve an important purpose. If you are running a hauler around in low sec, don't jump blindly about without scouting ahead. People who lose Charons and such in low sec have a tendency to learn from their loss and not take courier contracts and such that go in to low without a Jump Freighter from that point forward. I second this notion. Without nonconsentual PvP, PvE players would eventually fall into the delusion that they are playing a safe game free from threat. They would grow to believe they could fly ships, even ridiculously risky industrials/haulers, without escort or intel into whatever space they wished, free of repercussions. Now, I don't PvP (I am just a delivery man) but I respect those who do.
+1 for your vids alone. You should link your channel in your sig. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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seany1212
Relentless Destruction The Hebrew Hammer.
266
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Posted - 2014.09.04 07:48:00 -
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cyboman wrote:Not mad at all.... glad to hear that some are getting something out of it.
Just sad when all someone gets is a killmail and 3 epanded cargo II. It really makes me want to send him a little isk. Poor little buddy.
As a 'Veteran' you should know better by now, otherwise you're just ignorant of how the game works.
If you're flying in low-sec in a hauler you're a target to just about everyone, if you're in high-sec and you're flying several hundred million/billion isk in a T1 hauler then you deserve to get ganked.
Regardless you chose not to fit a tank whatever your scenario (as stated by yourself above) and you deserved to die.
TL:DR; stop feeling entitled |
Rahelis
Tris Legomenon
106
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Posted - 2014.09.04 08:02:00 -
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The french revolution brought a new school of thinking into existence, the "jeune ecole" new school.
These ppl had some demolisihing ideas that where the basis of napoleons land success.
In naval warfare, jeune ecole had simple ideas:
"Do not fight the enemies war vessels, destroy their trade vessels."
So destroying haulers in warfare is common sense now.
The only problem in EVE is high sec ganking - it needs stricter punishment, because the rules we have today actually protect the attacker in the long run.
What EVE misses is real pirates and real privateers.
Ransom or ship boarding - that is the way to go.
To blow your victim up and get blown up yourself is extreme foolish and boring - that is poor game design.
Ganking - gang wanking - is pvp in EVE - but only because the game lacks content.
Gankers usually are bored players, that are bad at fighting and look for the weakest target to hunt. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
943
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Posted - 2014.09.04 09:02:00 -
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cyboman wrote:Not mad at all.... glad to hear that some are getting something out of it.
Just sad when all someone gets is a killmail and 3 epanded cargo II. It really makes me want to send him a little isk. Poor little buddy.
show me on the spaceship doll where the new order touched you
next time consider a permit and being at the keyboard :) |
Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
7
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Posted - 2014.09.09 07:54:00 -
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Killing the weak and defenseless is where PVP crosses over into piracy, and piracy is one of the biggest content creators in the game, so stop crying and learn to Eve. |
Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
169
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:41:00 -
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If the opportunity to kill a random hauler comes up, then you could get some nice loot from it. It makes perfect sense to shoot them. As for what others think about your actions in doing so, that does not really come into it.
But is it PvP? Who cares? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6074
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:44:00 -
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cyboman wrote:Killing haulers and non combat ships is weak and should not even be considered PVP. I would not boast or even post kills. Is it not like eating the ear off of the chocolate easter bunny, only to find out it is hollow? I think you are missing the point of it. Hollow or not, it is always delicious. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
296
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Posted - 2014.09.10 01:00:00 -
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Ah the tears. Delicious tears.
I'd say cry my a river, but high sec is already drowning in them.
0/10 thread |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2014.09.14 23:25:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:cyboman wrote:Not mad at all.... glad to hear that some are getting something out of it.
Just sad when all someone gets is a killmail and 3 epanded cargo II. It really makes me want to send him a little isk. Poor little buddy. show me on the spaceship doll where the new order touched you Almost as creative as ganking mining barges and calling it an achievement. Almost.
OP: The game motto of "HTFU" applies here more than anything. Welcome to EVE, where your hauler is a juicier target than that PvP capable ship. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2822
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Posted - 2014.09.15 03:56:00 -
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in war, disturbing your opponents supply chain is a quite common strategy. As pirate its your income.
Even though its not a challenging 1v1 it doesn't matter at all since eve is a sandbox and things might be more complex as you might think at first. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Faylee Freir
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
38
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Posted - 2014.09.16 22:55:00 -
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I think what you're referring to is that maybe someone killed a bot hauling goods. I sure hope that's what you're referring to, because if Player (a) activates a module against Player (b) then that is PVP.
It's Player versus Player, not Player versus Player (but only if both players want to play). If you need this broken down any further, then you may need to check yourself into the hospital. I think you've suffered a stroke.
In the event that the OP is somehow referring to his bot being blow up while hauling, I would suggest CODE adds this scum to watchlist in order to execute properly. |
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