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Verlyn
Sisters of Xambu
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Posted - 2014.08.19 12:47:00 -
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If you use it.
You're a disgrace to pvp.
You're a disgrace to gaming in general.
And you should be ashamed of yourself.
That is all. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari Armed Forces.
803
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Posted - 2014.08.19 12:48:00 -
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WHAT DID YOU LOSE? |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
473
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Posted - 2014.08.19 12:57:00 -
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/40752501/
A badly fitted Incursus.
Topkek.
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
766
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Posted - 2014.08.19 12:59:00 -
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it's 2014 and there's still no ecm fixes/removal planned |
Anslo
Scope Works
7089
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Posted - 2014.08.19 12:59:00 -
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There is no need to be upset friend.
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Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
473
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:03:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:it's 2014 and there's still no ecm fixes/removal planned
I mean its a deeply **** mechanic thats really dull.
But still lol. |
Verlyn
Sisters of Xambu
28
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:06:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:https://zkillboard.com/kill/40752501/
A badly fitted Incursus.
Topkek.
Against ecm anythings pretty much a bad fit, but try harder |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
474
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:07:00 -
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Believe me I'm not trying at all. |
Verlyn
Sisters of Xambu
28
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:08:00 -
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I beg to differ, next! |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
474
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:10:00 -
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Verlyn wrote:I beg to differ, next!
I went to the back of the queue and started again.
So its me. |
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Anslo
Scope Works
7091
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:12:00 -
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Again, why so upset, friend? It is only a frigate.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari Armed Forces.
804
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:18:00 -
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Verlyn wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:https://zkillboard.com/kill/40752501/
A badly fitted Incursus.
Topkek.
Against ecm anythings pretty much a bad fit, but try harder
anyway it was 1 vs 2 so why should you even win that? (assuming that all players know how to play) |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
64
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:18:00 -
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ewar ftw \o/ EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -áWeb Design | Website Graphics -á
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Paranoid Loyd
1478
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:47:00 -
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Just bought a griffin, see you soon "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
727
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:08:00 -
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Verlyn wrote:If you use it.
You're a disgrace to pvp.
You're a disgrace to gaming in general.
And you should be ashamed of yourself.
That is all.
Amen. |
Verlyn
Sisters of Xambu
28
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:22:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Verlyn wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:https://zkillboard.com/kill/40752501/
A badly fitted Incursus.
Topkek.
Against ecm anythings pretty much a bad fit, but try harder anyway it was 1 vs 2 so why should you even win that? (assuming that all players know how to play)
It was late, logged off midfight as soon as I saw him use ecm. Couldn't be bothered.
His buddy mustve warped in later on.
As for the fit, I've tanked and killed comets and hookbills in brawls easily enough with it. For as long as... no ecms are involved,
It's actually quite good, but takes good rl reaction skills to use properly, and not something good old Danny here understands very well.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=22639269
plate ion incrusus... *facepalm* |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari Armed Forces.
805
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:26:00 -
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Verlyn wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Verlyn wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:https://zkillboard.com/kill/40752501/
A badly fitted Incursus.
Topkek.
Against ecm anythings pretty much a bad fit, but try harder anyway it was 1 vs 2 so why should you even win that? (assuming that all players know how to play) It was late, logged off midfight as soon as I saw him use ecm. Couldn't be bothered. His buddy mustve warped in later on. As for the fit, I've tanked and killed comets and hookbills in brawls easily enough with it. For as long as... no ecms are involved, It's actually quite good, but takes good rl reaction skills to use properly, and not something good old Danny here understands very well.
fast checking trough different killboard stats tell that ecm pilot usually fleet with that guy, so if you make basic checks and compare local, you will find out that your outcome will be much likely. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
766
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:29:00 -
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so a nice counter to ecm is just to never engage anything |
Verlyn
Sisters of Xambu
28
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:33:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Verlyn wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Verlyn wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:https://zkillboard.com/kill/40752501/
A badly fitted Incursus.
Topkek.
Against ecm anythings pretty much a bad fit, but try harder anyway it was 1 vs 2 so why should you even win that? (assuming that all players know how to play) It was late, logged off midfight as soon as I saw him use ecm. Couldn't be bothered. His buddy mustve warped in later on. As for the fit, I've tanked and killed comets and hookbills in brawls easily enough with it. For as long as... no ecms are involved, It's actually quite good, but takes good rl reaction skills to use properly, and not something good old Danny here understands very well. fast checking trough different killboard stats tell that ecm pilot usually fleet with that guy, so if you make basic checks and compare local, you will find out that your outcome will be much likely.
fast checking this thread's title might tell you a different thing about what to talk about inside it. |
Moglarr
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
2
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:34:00 -
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Why would you take a fight against a Griffin if you hate ECM so much? Or if you loath ECM why not stack your pod and ship with ECCM? Or bring a friend or two along to blap the ECM boat? Or even bring an ECM or ewar boat of your own? I think you're more just mad because you were beat. I get it, I hate to lose too. |
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Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
180
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:48:00 -
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I have a support alt and ecm isn't my favourite ewar.
Anyway, some people use ewar ships, some people use cynos to jump and fight 20 vs 1. Every tactic is legit. |
Deerin
Federal Navy Special Forces
276
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:04:00 -
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Oh tears.....and they won't stop!!!!
This thread won't be complete without quoting Fatal:
"Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair.' Jam them first. Kill them last." -Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen |
Artuard Envien
Rent Is DUE TODAY The North is Coming
19
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:14:00 -
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Deerin wrote:Oh tears.....and they won't stop!!!!
This thread won't be complete without quoting Fatal:
"Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair.' Jam them first. Kill them last." -Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen
Love that quote man haha :-D
ECM is a valid and lovely tactic. Working as intended. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2451
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:32:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:so a nice counter to ecm is just to never engage anything And a spur set, and an eccm, and friends, and long range sniper boats, and friend or foe missiles, and damps or neuts, drones, speed in general, remote eccm, and boats with higher sensor strength.
Other than that... yeah just don't fight them. |
May Arethusa
PillowBrigade Inc Heiian Conglomerate
12
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:33:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:WHAT DID YOU LOSE?
The ability to lock targets.
Waiting for a thread entitled "Damps" and "TDs" when they come across those too. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
767
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:37:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:so a nice counter to ecm is just to never engage anything And a spur set, and an eccm, and friends, and long range sniper boats, and friend or foe missiles, and damps or neuts, drones, speed in general, remote eccm, and boats with higher sensor strength. Other than that... yeah just don't fight them.
the drones don't work, and the FOF missiles only work on idiots. I do have the spur set though. |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
367
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:44:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote: . . only work on idiots. .
Well then you're good to go in this game
CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, please give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
493
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:02:00 -
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If people didn't bother to look at the Incursus lossmail, go look at it. |
Verlyn
Sisters of Xambu
28
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:12:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:If people didn't bother to look at the Incursus lossmail, go look at it.
I'd encourage trying the fit before opening your foul mouths though.
and brushing your teeth also. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
133
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:31:00 -
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Copy and paste from another tear ECM forum to this one: here my opinion of ECM
I love ECM personally, Ive been perma jammed a few times myself, but i've also used it to great effect to save assets or turn a fight. Drop 4 falcons in and it really gives you some wiggle room with what you can do against a much larger gang, even kitsunes can do it and their cheaper, they just don't warp cloaked or take a Black Ops Bridge.
What most people don't realize is ECM is balanced quite well, here's why:
1. Sensor compensation skills - these reduce the effectiveness of enemy ECM aside from long range targeting or nav skills to counter damps or webs ( and these werent even desinged as direct counters but secondary counters ) this is the ONLY skill that reduces the effectivness of enemy ewar. THere are no "Protection from Nuets" or "protection from webs" skills
2. ECCM - Much like cap batterys or sensor boosters these help you overcome ECM like battery's help against nuets and Sebo's help against damps. Providing yet another layer of protection from ECM
3. ECM is the ONLY Chance based EWAR in the game, every other form of ewar works if your range 100% of the time ( but may lose some effect ) while ECM has a chance to jam, ive lsot probably a dozen falcons because i missed jams and was tackled or missed jams on a tornado and got alpha'd. It happens more often than you think.
4. ECM was nerfed a few months back reducing total strength of jams when not overheated, the result is now ALL Jam boats have to overheat to get the same strength as before, thus risking a burnout and loss of jams.
5. ECM only works on Bonused ships to any effect - Ever used a multispec on a Golem or on a Exequoror? Its not that great, same with ECM bursts on a typhoon and so on, sure your bound to get some lucky jams but without bonuses to their optimal, strength, or cap use its a horribly ineffective technique. Unlike all the other forms of ewar which still work just fine on their own. Hence why the meta is nuets on PVP ships and everyone runs with a web.
Now sure people will still complain when they get jammed, but at the end of the day its all fine where it is. Imagine if every form of Ewar had a chance to work, a chance your nuet burns cap and does nothing to the target, a chance your web suddenly wont slow a ship down and an expensive ship escapes or you lose an expensive ship because of it. There would be a general outcry to fix that if it were implemented.
You dont see very many falcon pilots asking for guarenteed jams every cycle if your in range, so why can't people settle for the current state of them when they really are fine as is.
Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
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