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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
690
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:30:00 -
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Xeleonn wrote:I don't think there's any deception here, The first step of the Workflow contains the message that they intended to use on the service, stating that they intend to give 'the best' price.
'1. Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"' they want the reader to believe the point of the program is convenience, when the point is significantly overpaying
its definitely intended to decieve |
Thead Enco
Radio New Vegas
184
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:32:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys,
Apologies for the delay in putting out a notification, IGÇÖve just arrived home from the office after a bit of a busy day talking to various departments to get a handle on how and whatGÇÖs been going on with this situation.
This issue was first brought to the attention of the Community Team by the CSM around 24 hours ago after concern was raised by members of the community regarding the promotion thatGÇÖs currently going on over at SOMERblink.
Myself and CCP Leeloo has been sat with various groups within CCP today and have been in constant contact with the CSM throughout the day to discuss the concerns of the community and make sure that some form of resolution is reached. TheyGÇÖve been very clear, direct and unified with their opinion on the situation, and this is a sentiment that I share with them.
This thread will serve as a place where weGÇÖll be updating you guys on whatGÇÖs going on with this to make sure that thereGÇÖs a central place for information, because itGÇÖs quite clear that this is an issue that the community is taking seriously. ItGÇÖs also something I feel incredibly strongly about.
At this point in time, weGÇÖre investigating exactly whatGÇÖs going on with the whole situation, and IGÇÖve been in contact with our Legal department, Sales and our Information Security team with a view to having this looked into and resolved.
Given the sheer size of the investigation that weGÇÖll be undertaking, this is going to take some time, as a lot of ISK and assets have changed hands. While some temporary action has been taken in order to keep a handle on the situation, any outcome of an investigation is still to be determined, and I canGÇÖt give any further information regarding the process while itGÇÖs ongoing.
ThereGÇÖs not a great deal more that IGÇÖll be able to give you guys tonight, but please be aware, and rest assured, that you will not be stonewalled over this, and within reason the Community Team will be letting you guys know exactly whatGÇÖs going on as and when we can release more information.
IGÇÖm hoping to have more on this for you guys tomorrow as we look into this further, but for now, this is just to let you all know that your voices have been heard, weGÇÖre actively looking at the situation, and will feed back as soon as we have more information that we can share.
We'll be locking all the other threads that are discussing this, and diverting them here to keep feedback concise and centralized in one place, so please feel free to use this thread to talk about the issue openly.
Just remember to keep it civil and within the forum rules, which also means no discussion of warnings and bans.
Thanks for your patience,
- F
And in the meantime until we hear back from CCP.............
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
-áTyrion Lannister |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4213
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:33:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Xeleonn wrote:I don't think there's any deception here, The first step of the Workflow contains the message that they intended to use on the service, stating that they intend to give 'the best' price.
'1. Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"' they want the reader to believe the point of the program is convenience, when the point is significantly overpaying its definitely intended to decieve
if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:36:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Xeleonn wrote:I don't think there's any deception here, The first step of the Workflow contains the message that they intended to use on the service, stating that they intend to give 'the best' price.
'1. Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"' they want the reader to believe the point of the program is convenience, when the point is significantly overpaying its definitely intended to decieve if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you. i do not see how this mysterious trout in this milk proves anything about it being watered down -remiel pollard |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11121
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:37:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you. Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Alundil
Isogen 5
647
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:39:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Xeleonn wrote:I don't think there's any deception here, The first step of the Workflow contains the message that they intended to use on the service, stating that they intend to give 'the best' price.
'1. Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"' they want the reader to believe the point of the program is convenience, when the point is significantly overpaying its definitely intended to decieve if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you. Comprehension.... perhaps Somer will have a special blink for some of that. Buy a few tickets will ya?
I'm right behind you |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4213
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:42:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you. Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly.
Quibble?
What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!"
If it's so obvious, then there will be evidence. Is it quibbling to ask for clarification on a claim made without evidence? I think what you're asking me to do is accept the claim and shut up. I won't. It's not definitely intended to deceive until evidence can be provided of said intended deception. Any accusations or 'verdict' made without that evidence is nothing but a witch hunt. If you want to lower yourself to that level, then that's your problem, but don't expect me to follow on your say so. I want the evidence before I accept that any deception was intended, and you can take your childish attempts to belittle the need for that evidence back to a bible study where they belong. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4213
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:44:00 -
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Alundil wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Xeleonn wrote:I don't think there's any deception here, The first step of the Workflow contains the message that they intended to use on the service, stating that they intend to give 'the best' price.
'1. Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"' they want the reader to believe the point of the program is convenience, when the point is significantly overpaying its definitely intended to decieve if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you. Comprehension.... perhaps Somer will have a special blink for some of that. Buy a few tickets will ya?
I'm comrpehending just fine. I'm seeing a conclusion based on assumed and biased premises, but still no concrete evidence. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
635
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:45:00 -
[69] - Quote
. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Cherry Yeyo
55
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:46:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:its definitely intended to decieve Haha so whats the penalty for scamming CCP?
CCP Rise>Sentry drones have enormous downsides |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11123
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you. Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly. Quibble? What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!" No, what he said amounts to "notice how this doesn't mention anything about selling way above market price". No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
692
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:50:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you. Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly. Quibble? What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!" If it's so obvious, then there will be evidence. Is it quibbling to ask for clarification on a claim made without evidence? I think what you're asking me to do is accept the claim and shut up. I won't. It's not definitely intended to deceive until evidence can be provided of said intended deception. Any accusations or 'verdict' made without that evidence is nothing but a witch hunt. If you want to lower yourself to that level, then that's your problem, but don't expect me to follow on your say so. I want the evidence before I accept that any deception was intended or even made, and you can take your childish attempts to belittle the need for that evidence back to a bible study where they belong.
what evidence, besides the fifteen stab wounds in the back, do we have that someone intentionally stabbed this person? perhaps we ought not leap to conclusions because we do not understand what the concept of evidence is |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4213
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:51:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you. Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly. Quibble? What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!" No, what he said amounts to "notice how this doesn't mention anything about selling way above market price".
I have a bottle of shampoo in my hands. Nowhere on the label does it mention anything about cleaning my hair. It just says "shampoo" with a few ingredients and sales points based around them. I guess it's all intended to deceive, and by virtue of that, it probably won't wash my hair. Am I right?
So, who's really 'quibbling' with words? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4213
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:53:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you. Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly. Quibble? What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!" If it's so obvious, then there will be evidence. Is it quibbling to ask for clarification on a claim made without evidence? I think what you're asking me to do is accept the claim and shut up. I won't. It's not definitely intended to deceive until evidence can be provided of said intended deception. Any accusations or 'verdict' made without that evidence is nothing but a witch hunt. If you want to lower yourself to that level, then that's your problem, but don't expect me to follow on your say so. I want the evidence before I accept that any deception was intended or even made, and you can take your childish attempts to belittle the need for that evidence back to a bible study where they belong. what evidence, besides the fifteen stab wounds in the back, do we have that someone intentionally stabbed this person? perhaps we ought not leap to conclusions because we do not understand what the concept of evidence is
Oh aren't you just precious with the bad analogies. There is a difference between making educated assumptions based on facts, and assumptions based on assumed premises. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
692
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: No, what he said amounts to "notice how this doesn't mention anything about selling way above market price".
not just doesn't mention, but carefully leaves it open while carefully implying it won't happen and implying the real value is you can sell anywhere |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11123
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:54:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:if it's 'definitely' intended to deceive, then you shouldn't have any trouble providing evidence of how definite it is. Surely you have such evidence if things are so definite for you. Don't quibble over words, it's unseemly. Quibble? What he said amounts to, "It's obvious the world was created in six days, just look around you!" No, what he said amounts to "notice how this doesn't mention anything about selling way above market price". I have a bottle of shampoo in my hands. Nowhere on the label does it mention anything about cleaning my hair. It just says "shampoo" with a few ingredients and sales points based around them, and some instructions on how to use it, but no explicit claim that it's gonna clean my hair. I guess it's all intended to deceive, and by virtue of that, it probably won't wash my hair. Am I right? So, who's really 'quibbling' with words? Still you. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11123
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:55:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Oh aren't you just precious with the bad analogies. Can I clean my hair with those? No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4214
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:55:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: Still you.
Next time, say that with more foot stomping, the tantrum might have more of an effect that way. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11123
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:58:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: Still you.
Next time, say that with more foot stomping, the tantrum might have more of an effect that way. Did you know that words and analogies lose their effect when you use them in situations where they don't apply? No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4214
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:58:00 -
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If Somer are in the wrong, then I agree they should face the appropriate measures for bad behaviour. However, when I look down a street and see a swathe of pitchforks and torches, I only hope that whoever pissed them off gets away with it, regardless of what they've done, because that mindless crowd gives humanity a worse name than the perpetrator they are after. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
692
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:00:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: Still you.
Next time, say that with more foot stomping, the tantrum might have more of an effect that way.
the basic problem is you're simply not smart enough to participate in this discussion which is why you're only getting dismissive analogies that make clear to all readers why you're wrong (though probably not you, through no fault of the analogy)
any thinking person can realize how you can determine intent through actions (it is indeed the only way to determine intent): by looking at what somer wrote and seeing how carefully it implied X while not saying X and carefully making sure you could do the exact opposite of X, anyone who can reason from actions can see that's intentional
everyone who reads that the first time sees what somer wanted people to see and it's only once you read carefully (or know what somer was doing) you see the clauses that basically reverse the intent of the whole thing
you don't do that by accident, but unfortunately i regret this probably is a little advanced so i hope you have a good night and are a little sharper in the morning |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4214
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: Still you.
Next time, say that with more foot stomping, the tantrum might have more of an effect that way. Did you know that words and analogies lose their effect when you use them in situations where they don't apply?
Denial doesn't remove their meaning, but acceptance will lead to you becoming a better person. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11123
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:00:00 -
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This is like putting together a puzzle which was put into the wrong box, and Remiel here is arguing that until we put every piece of the puzzle together we can't conclude that the puzzle isn't the same as the picture on the box. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
692
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:02:00 -
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that every puzzle piece is yellow or neon pink is no evidence that this is not the puzzle of saint peter's basilica i purchased
where is the evidence, people |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10911
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:02:00 -
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Quote:Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. Instead, we make it easy to sell your PLEX and get your ISK quickly, no matter where you are-- no Jita alt required. This is a service, in keeping with CCP's new guidelines that ETC affiliate link rewards should be service-oriented.
[...]
1. 1.Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"
[...]
GÇóPlayers who want more ISK value from their PLEX than they could get selling it by themselves will be encouraged to spend money on PLEX, since they are guaranteed the best price in the Eve universe
if you cannot see how this ambiguous wording was clearly intended to deceive the reader I have no words Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
S'Way
Bitter Vets
849
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:02:00 -
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A game only holds it's integrity if all are playing by the same rules - whatever the result is of any investigation there needs to be no doubt that everyone is doing so.
Given previous incidents (which don't need to be mentioned), I hope there's as much transparancy as possible once the investigation is over so players can have confidence in it.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4214
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:02:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: Still you.
Next time, say that with more foot stomping, the tantrum might have more of an effect that way. the basic problem is you're simply not smart enough to participate in this discussion which is why you're only getting dismissive analogies that make clear to all readers why you're wrong (though probably not you, through no fault of the analogy) any thinking person can realize how you can determine intent through actions (it is indeed the only way to determine intent): by looking at what somer wrote and seeing how carefully it implied X while not saying X and carefully making sure you could do the exact opposite of X, anyone who can reason from actions can see that's intentional everyone who reads that the first time sees what somer wanted people to see and it's only once you read carefully (or know what somer was doing) you see the clauses that basically reverse the intent of the whole thing you don't do that by accident, but unfortunately i regret this probably is a little advanced so i hope you have a good night and are a little sharper in the morning
Your implied insult of my intellect is noted and dismissed on account of your habit of making biased assumptions without knowing a damn about the subject of them. In other words, pot, meet kettle. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4214
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:04:00 -
[88] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:This is like putting together a puzzle which was put into the wrong box, and Remiel here is arguing that until we put every piece of the puzzle together we can't conclude that the puzzle isn't the same as the picture on the box.
Let's keep it simple, shall we? I'm arguing against making assumptions and jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions. That's all. If you don't like that, then you probably won't like the outcome anyway, regardless of what it may be. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11124
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:05:00 -
[89] - Quote
Andski wrote:Quote:Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. Instead, we make it easy to sell your PLEX and get your ISK quickly, no matter where you are-- no Jita alt required. This is a service, in keeping with CCP's new guidelines that ETC affiliate link rewards should be service-oriented.
[...]
1. 1.Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"
[...]
GÇóPlayers who want more ISK value from their PLEX than they could get selling it by themselves will be encouraged to spend money on PLEX, since they are guaranteed the best price in the Eve universe if you cannot see how this ambiguous wording was clearly intended to deceive the reader I have no words Actually that first bolded part would seem to be a flat out lie. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11124
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:07:00 -
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Unsubstantiated. Huh. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
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