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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:36:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Pitchforks, PITTTCHHHFOORRRKSSS!
This is quite simple and has only 3 outcomes:
1. CCP Legal were contacted about this and approved of it. In which case Somer deserves no penalties, even if the program is then stopped.
2. CCP Legal were contacted about this, refused permission, and they did it anyway. Somer will be shut down.
3. CCP Legal were not contacted. Somer gets hit for making false accusations of legal approval.
If CCP does allow it, then fair enough, just make it a level playing field.
Well it is looking like CCP Legal agreed with this and if that is the case then CCP could be in a lot of trouble if they try to stop him.
Also to those saying he lied, he didn't.
He is following what he agreed with CCP to the letter. The most important part of the agreement is that there was no set price for how much he pay for each plex.
That was he wanted and CCP amazingly agreed.
We all know that is nothing more then a clever way to RMT and that Somer has scammed CCP in the true nature of Eve.
The problem is for CCP that if they have legally agreed to this backing out could cost them. |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:37:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:To some of you . . . thank you for the input and the opinions.
To others, get a room and a argue the minutia of word meaning while grabbing your own dictionaries.
Trust me, neither CSM nor CCP is sitting back waiting for this to 'blow over'.
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Seriously dude, stop trying to defend CCP.
As many people have already stated, they did exactly that the first time round. I know you are trying to defend your friends but all your doing is making the CSM look more and more like a mouth piece for CCP. |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:47:00 -
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Tam Arai wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Pitchforks, PITTTCHHHFOORRRKSSS!
This is quite simple and has only 3 outcomes:
1. CCP Legal were contacted about this and approved of it. In which case Somer deserves no penalties, even if the program is then stopped.
2. CCP Legal were contacted about this, refused permission, and they did it anyway. Somer will be shut down.
3. CCP Legal were not contacted. Somer gets hit for making false accusations of legal approval.
If CCP does allow it, then fair enough, just make it a level playing field. Well it is looking like CCP Legal agreed with this and if that is the case then CCP could be in a lot of trouble if they try to stop him. Also to those saying he lied, he didn't. He is following what he agreed with CCP to the letter. The most important part of the agreement is that there was no set price for how much he pay for each plex. That is what he needed to make this work and CCP amazingly agreed. We all know that is nothing more then a clever way to RMT and that Somer has scammed CCP in the true nature of Eve. The problem is for CCP that if they have legally agreed to this backing out could cost them. "Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link" But they are doing exactly that. So It's blink that have broken the agreement already and should be in trouble
"Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link" Correct, they don't. They are using the fact that they agreed no set price for what they would pay for plex as a way to make this work |
Prince Kobol
2063
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:50:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Completely Unaligned wrote:So, you are all ganging up on Somer, nowhere do I see Eve-bet or Iwantisk.com mentioned. So many people are going to be affected by this witch hunt, Somer sponsors many groups with both isk and items. I don't believe that thousands of $ are being made as mentioned, personally I don't have a problem with a few bucks to pay expenses being made. Isn't the real world full of enough haters for you, can't you leave it out of our games. I joined Eve to have fun and get away from real life problems for a couple of hours a day, so thanks for merging the two worlds so very successfully. Bravo haters of the world. They aren't being mentioned because they aren't engaging in RMT. Our issue isn't with running an eve gambling site, it's with them running an RMT scheme to run it as a business. I joined EVE for entertainment, and I'd like to continue being entertained, not watch the game go down the pan from RMTers wrecking it to make some quick cash. Somer clearly doesn't give a crap about the game, just about their bottom line, so CCP should smash that banhammer down with full force and be done with them.
Dude, As much as I agree with what you are saying and would love Somer to get permanently banned and every single isk in any wallet he has access to removed if CCP have legally agreed this with him then they might not be able to do anything.
I have have always said nothing CCP does surprises me anymore.. boy was I wrong lol |
Prince Kobol
2063
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:52:00 -
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Lauresh Thellere wrote:Thanks for the update Falcon, I will be extremely displeased if this gets swept under the carpet like CCP has a tendency to do.
I do hope that people aren't crucifying you and the other devs for what seems to be an idiotic move from Sales/Legal.
Like how many people were crucifying the GM's as they thought they okayed this? |
Prince Kobol
2064
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:29:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:You people really need to ease up. Most of you don't seem to even know why you should be angry. You just like raging and make up stuff to get noticed on the forum. I see about six people that actually understand what Somer is doing. The rest of you just make me laugh. Mr Epeen
Would that be that Somer came up with a great idea to increase his income via referrals to Markee Dragon by using an isk base incentive and actually got CCP to agree with it.
Again I find no fault with Somer. The fault lies 100% with CCP for accepting his idea.
You may hate Somer, many people here do and still think he has done wrong when he hasn't as he has not deviated from the agreement with CCP.
The plain fact of the matter is that CCP should of said no but they didn't.
Also am I to believe at no pont did anybody from legal speak to any dev for advice regarding this, I would find that very hard to believe.
Yes I believe Somers scheme is wrong but if CCP did not give it the okay then we would not be here now talking about it |
Prince Kobol
2064
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:32:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?
How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread? Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it.
Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are.
Great isn't it Gÿ¦ |
Prince Kobol
2065
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:40:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:
Somer is evil, Somer is ******, Somer us the most evil person in the world and eats babies blah blah blah
Yeah... no witch hunt here |
Prince Kobol
2066
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Posted - 2014.08.20 12:41:00 -
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This entire situation raises a worrying aspect about how CCP operates as a company.
I find it very disturbing / worrying that CCP Falcon who is the Community Manager was only made aware of this by the CSM.
Surely this should of been something that was brought to his, or at least his teams attention when the proposal was first brought forward by Somer. I would of also thought that sites such as Somer, Eve Bet, Dotlan etc fall under the Community Teams jurisdiction so to speak.
Something should of been in put in place where if a player or entity approaches CCP with a proposal of this nature that it would be bounced over the Community Team for vetting especially after what happened last year.
Maybe in the future CCP should create some kind of framework where fan created sites that use the Eve IP such as those already mentioned have a direct contact with the Community Team and any news ventures or ideas must be run past them first and not some VP in Sales who most likely has never played the game or even cares.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:46:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:This entire situation raises a worrying aspect about how CCP operates as a company.
I find it very disturbing / worrying that CCP Falcon who is the Community Manager was only made aware of this by the CSM.
Surely this should of been something that was brought to his, or at least his teams attention when the proposal was first brought forward by Somer. I would of also thought that sites such as Somer, Eve Bet, Dotlan etc fall under the Community Teams jurisdiction so to speak. This is something that was basically an internal misunderstanding at CCP, and I'm not gonna point fingers at people in relation to it. Basically, a breakdown in communication with people not knowing who to contact during the transition of the Community Team's leadership to me, and a few other factors. It's something that we're very much looking at changing, and we're taking it into account as part of the ongoing investigation.
Okay, I am going to say this as nobody has which has surprised me.
So what you are saying is that the person in question did not know how to find out who was part of the Community Team? I know you do not want to point any fingers at anybody as that is the professional ting to do and I really do appreciate that and your position but seriously, they were not able to find out what should be very basic information.
That is a pretty daming indictment
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Prince Kobol
2068
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:03:00 -
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Suzie Swindle wrote:
Does CCP need to do some internal work to make sure someone doesn't try to pull this type of crap again... yes... but thats internal and they will most likely be doing this now (or I hope so),
You would of though after what happened last time they would have but apparently they haven't.. big surprise...
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Prince Kobol
2069
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:15:00 -
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Suzie Swindle wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Suzie Swindle wrote:
Does CCP need to do some internal work to make sure someone doesn't try to pull this type of crap again... yes... but thats internal and they will most likely be doing this now (or I hope so),
You would of though after what happened last time they would have but apparently they haven't.. big surprise... Going to the vp of sales is abit different then going through a gm, and when someone put up a proposal that says "I wont give any extra isk", well you kind of have to wait for them to actually do this... you cant (or atleast almost none of us can) see what will happen when someone does a 180 on that...
What I mean is that yet again lack of communication is the root cause to all this drama.
Even Falcon alluded to it before that
"Basically, a breakdown in communication with people not knowing who to contact during the transition of the Community Team's leadership to me, and a few other factors"
It is the same sorry story with CCP and it is getting pretty tiring.
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Prince Kobol
2069
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:31:00 -
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Garai Nolen wrote:
will continue to struggle with internal communication and will occasionally screw up as a result of missing something in this process.
You need to replace occasionally with constantly |
Prince Kobol
2069
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:05:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Garai Nolen wrote:
will continue to struggle with internal communication and will occasionally screw up as a result of missing something in this process.
You need to replace occasionally with constantly He's right though. Even at the Federal level we have these kinds of communication issues with subjects far more serious and with dire repercussions should they not be addressed. And we have a metric **** ton of procedures made to prevent communication errors. But they still happen.
I am not arguing that its not a common problem, but that doesn't I have to accept it.
Every time something like this happens its "we need to be better at communication" and nothing happens.
When ever CCP want to introduce a new mechanic and we as p[players tell them that its really stupid and will be exploited they don't listen and what happens, it gets exploited.
How many times are CCP going to do something like this, give the excuse that it was down to poor communication and then nothing changes. |
Prince Kobol
2070
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:16:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Honestly, this seems less communication and more contract language related. I bet their legal team missed something in the terms of the agreement between CCP and SOMER and SOMER silently exploited the loop hole.
CCP's communication issues are actually better as evidenced by Falcon being on top of update provisions for the community. After business agreements like with CCP and SOMER, there isn't some constant checking up on communication that's normally done. The contract technically does the communicating, if that makes sense.
Look, I know you are trying to defend CCP, but even Falcon said himself this was down to a communication problem. Apparently who ever was not able to find out who was on the Community Team, I guess people don't like talking to each other in Iceland
Also Falcon said himself he only found out because the CSM alerted CCP to the problem.
No matter which way you swing it, this was a mess which should of never of happened but CCP being CCP I am willing bet anything that in another few months we will be talking about CCP's lack of communication after another screw up |
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